WWI Digest 921 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Munsell Color Program by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 2) Re: AM Offer by BStett3770 3) Re: Toko by reaton@inettest.dsccc.com 4) Re: AM offer by ModelerAl 5) Re: Toko by mbittner@juno.com 6) Re: heh, this should be good... by mbittner@juno.com 7) AM update by Bob Pearson 8) RE: heh, this should be good... by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 9) Ruski Moranes and DR1 articles by Pedro Nuno Soares 10) a letter to TOKO by Pedro Nuno Soares 11) RE: Aerodrome Modeler for Sale by Pedro Nuno Soares 12) Sorry I left Bob out by Pedro Nuno Soares 13) RE: heh, this should be good... by Bob Pearson 14) AM Fund by Allred240Z 15) RE: AM update by Shane Weier 16) Re: AM update by perrysm@juno.com 17) Re: Contributors to the AM fund by "Charles Duckworth" 18) Re: AM Offer by Bruce Simard 19) Re: Contributors to the AM fund by "David R.L. Laws" 20) Re: AM update by "David R.L. Laws" 21) Re: AM update by "David R.L. Laws" 22) Re: Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk by knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 23) Sopwith Baby - global hobby by knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 24) Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von by "D. Anderson" 25) Re: AM update by Bill Bacon 26) RE: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von by Shane Weier 27) Re: Aerodrome Modeler by Mick Fauchon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:00:00 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Munsell Color Program Message-ID: <01BD477E.354C82E0.panz-meador@vsti.com> ivan: got it; i'll run it through the program and get back to you asap. thanks, phillip -----Original Message----- From: infosilver@czechia.com [SMTP:infosilver@czechia.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 2:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Munsell Color Program Sorry, my fault, I'm sending the list now. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Cammoflage Patterns The following references are from the December 1969 Issue of Scale Models magazine from an article entitled Cammoflage Petterns 4 Color Pattern Top Surface Methuen Ref. Munsell Ref. =============== =============== =========================== Dull Blue 21D4 6PB/4.9/5.1 Deep Turquiose 24E7-25E7 5B/2.4/4.6-7BG/3.7/4.4 Olive Brown 4D4-5D4 5Y/5.9/2.9-8.5YR/5.5/2.8 Pea Green 29D5-30D5 5GY/5.9/3.1-2GY/5.9/3.1 Bottom Surface Methuen Ref. Munsell Ref. =============== =============== =========================== Dull China Blue 23D4 2.5PB/5.1/4.1 Dull Grey Green 26D4 7G/5.4/2.3 Yellow Ocre 4C7-5C7 5Y/6.3/8.4-9YR/6.0/8.3 Greyish Rose 11B5 9RP/6.2/6.7 5 Color Pattern Top Surface Methuen Ref. Munsell Ref. =============== =============== =========================== Violet Between Between 17E5 - 17E6 2.5P/3.6/5.5-2P/3.0/6.8 Honey Yellow 4D6-5D6 5.5Y/5.8/5.6-8.5YR/5.2/5.3 Deep Grey-Green 28D5-28D6 6.5GY/5.7/3.2-7GY/5.6/4.4 Deep Turquoise 24E6-24F6 6B/3.7/3.9-7B/2.9/3.0 Dull Deep Blue 21E6-21E7 5.5PB/3.2/6.4-5PB/2.9/7.6 Bottom Surface Methuen Ref. Munsell Ref. =============== =============== =========================== Grey Magenta 14D4-15D4 9.5P/5.1/5.1-5.5P/5.0/5.3 Golden Wheat 4B6-5B6 3.5Y/7.6/7.7-7.5YR/7.3/7.6 Greyish Ruby 12C5-12D5 5.5RP/5.4/5.9-5.5RP/4.6/5.2 Grey Turquoise 24D4-25D4 8.5B/5.3/2.7-1.5B/5.3/1.9 Copenhagen Blue 21D6-22D6 6PB/4.0/7.9-4.5PB/4.3/7.4 ----------------------------------------------------------- Cheers! Ivan Subrt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:58:20 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: AM Offer Message-ID: <43c01dd3.34fdc06f@aol.com> Hi Bob Me too, that way I can complete my set. Or if you find the missing I'll send my set for copies Let me know who to send it to. Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 98 10:54:42 -0600 From: reaton@inettest.dsccc.com To: Subject: Re: Toko Message-ID: <9803048890.AA889047716@inettest.dsccc.com> My version of Phillips letter (in English) left today from Texas. My 1/72 list included: Spad VII Sopwith Snipe Sopwith Triplane Fokker DVI N11 Bebe Bristol scout Junkers D1? Are you going to compile a list for TOKO from these inputs? Sound like a good idea to me Regards, Richard ps I also ordered the SS III today. Can't wait! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Toko Author: at inettest Date: 3/3/98 6:06 AM Well, my letter to Toko went out yesterday. How is everyone else doing? FWIW, I took Phillip's letter, added a couple of personal lines, and that was it. Thanks, Phillip! I'll start on the collective list letter today, and once Phillip gets back, see if it's possible to translate. If Phillip can't find someone, at least Erik can get it into Russian. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:47:19 EST From: ModelerAl To: wwi Subject: Re: AM offer Message-ID: <43c0a405.34fdcbe9@aol.com> Count me in too if I'm not too late. Al http://users.aol.com/modeleral ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:26:32 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko Message-ID: <19980304.162833.14270.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:43:46 -0500 reaton@inettest.dsccc.com writes: >My version of Phillips letter (in English) left today from Texas. My 1/72 >list included: >N11 Bebe It's one of the next kits due out. Here's what I know of they have listed: SSW D.III/D.IV (out) Pfalz D.XII (out) Nie.11 (next?) Hansa Brandenburg D.I (KD) (next?) Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Aviatik Berg D.I Sopwith Dolphin Hansa Brandenburg W.29 I hope I haven't left any out. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:28:26 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: heh, this should be good... Message-ID: <19980304.162833.14270.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:37:59 -0500 "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" writes: >just received 4 color lozenge decals from americal/gryphon. these include >the top and interior top/reversed and bottom, as well as blue/pink rib >tapes. registration seems great, with the possible exception of the rib >tapes (what i figured would be a rose pink turned out to be purple). > >my question to the list is: any comments on the 4 color bottoms? they >certainly seem dark, especially in comparison with some references/color >artwork i've seen (and realizing that older references may have been >surpassed in terms of research). Well, Americal is usually considered the best on the market. Steve Hustad (harummmmmmm) swears by Americal, FWTW. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:59:33 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: AM update Message-ID: <22593376006342@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, There are now 30 members on the list for AM. With the price remaining at $15 you are now assured of having the cost of postage covered.. The price breakdown is $125 purchase. $325 for the postage to all contributors - I would think we are approaching airmail now. My thought on payment is the first ten names on the list send it to me to cover the cost of the purchase, with the rest of the list sending their payment to Bill to cover his costs in copying and postage. This would eliminate the hassle of my cashing them all and then resending them to Bill. And if it is agreeable I will have the seller mail it direct to Bill for him to do the copying. One other idea is if we get a surplus, Bill could do a few extra copies and pass them on to the Library for sale to late comers to the list. Again I will be doing this via snail, so we have a couple of weeks to finalize arrangements Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:02:43 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: heh, this should be good... Message-ID: <01BD478F.59A62CC0.panz-meador@vsti.com> yeah, i'd gotten the impression from some threads around the time i joined the list last november that that was the concensus opinion. also, i'm not trying to knock americal's effort, but am genuinely interested in this topic (don't let the provocative "subject" line fool you...) and am at times mule-like. americal cites several references on the back-up sheet. these include gray (1959), hastings (1961), gray (1969), huntley (1982), and davenport (1982). does anyone know of the source journals for these articles? TIA, phillip -----Original Message----- From: mbittner@juno.com [SMTP:mbittner@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 4:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: heh, this should be good... On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:37:59 -0500 "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" writes: >>my question to the list is: any comments on the 4 color bottoms? they >certainly seem dark, especially in comparison with some references/color >artwork i've seen (and realizing that older references may have been >surpassed in terms of research). Well, Americal is usually considered the best on the market. Steve Hustad (harummmmmmm) swears by Americal, FWTW. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:03:58 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Ruski Moranes and DR1 articles Message-ID: <01BD47C4.6A1D2920@fei1-p1.telepac.pt> Matt and Riordan Your stuff is under way. I've copied the color profiles but as soon as I get scanned versions I'll e-mail them. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:08:11 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: a letter to TOKO Message-ID: <01BD47C4.7077BF60@fei1-p1.telepac.pt> My letter to TOKO went out today. Did like Matt: used Philipp's letter with a touch here and there and that was it. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:16:34 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: RE: Aerodrome Modeler for Sale Message-ID: <01BD47C4.73EFCF20@fei1-p1.telepac.pt> Hi guys I have the same problem as Shane, and being the only living boy in the = list in Portugal won't help, since I can't join forces with others to = avoid having the bank sucking my hard earned cauries. On top of that, for some stupid reason there isn't the possibility of = sending international money orders to the States from Portugal, I can do = it to all the countries in Europe but not to the USA.=20 Still I'll of course go along and contribute. Just say 10 or 15 so that = i can buy the dollars, and I'll snail mail the bills to whoever will do = the collecting. On the other hand... HEY JOEY, ARE YOU WILLING TO LEND ME YOUR BROTHER? = ;-). God how I envy this guy. not only he goes to limbo in a limo but he = has a brother in the States... ;-))))=20 This list is great and even if we decide not to buy the set and resort = to copies of the issues available to list members, I believe this = contribution could still be on so as to help the librarian with the = copies or with buying some more new stuff. BTW, guys have a nice cyber round on me... it was 38 years ago today... = and then have another nice cyber round on my daughter Barbara.. it was 12 years = ago today... Um abraco Pedro np. The Mission - original soundtrack by Ennio Morricone =00=00 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:05:33 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Sorry I left Bob out Message-ID: <01BD47C4.6DBFF260@fei1-p1.telepac.pt> Just a word to clarify things. Guys, 2 days ago when replying to Bob's message on buying the = aeromodeler stuff I mentioned the overwhelming generosity of Bill. I = won't take a word of what I then said of course but I must also beg = Bob's pardon for not having mentioned him too. I'm sorry. Bob's = generosity in this matter as well as in supplying his profiles and his = prompt willingness to help is of course also overwhelming and a well = recognised trademark of the list. John Huggins shouldn't also be = forgotten for the lovely buttons we proudly wear, Riordan for all the = trouble and expense he has gone through to supply us with copies of the = stuff he keeps in the fridge, and the rest of the gang for all that you = have shared from the 4 corners of the world. Thanks a lot guys. If this seems off-topic and incomprehensible to you guys please forgive = me. I had to vent this out to make peace with my conscience. Um abraco Pedro=00=00 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:38:33 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: heh, this should be good... Message-ID: <23383380506451@KAIEN.COM> Offhand I would think the following applies Gray (1959) Harleyford something or other Gray (1969) C&C(USA) Huntley (1982) Windsock regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" > americal cites several references on the back-up sheet. these include gray > (1959), hastings (1961), gray (1969), huntley (1982), > and davenport (1982). does anyone know of the source journals for these > articles? > > TIA, > > phillip > > -----Original Message----- > From: mbittner@juno.com [SMTP:mbittner@juno.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 4:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: heh, this should be good... > > On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:37:59 -0500 "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" > writes: > > >>my question to the list is: any comments on the 4 color bottoms? they > > >certainly seem dark, especially in comparison with some references/color > > >artwork i've seen (and realizing that older references may have been > >surpassed in terms of research). > > Well, Americal is usually considered the best on the market. Steve > Hustad (harummmmmmm) swears by Americal, FWTW. > > > Matt Bittner > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:36:13 EST From: Allred240Z To: wwi Subject: AM Fund Message-ID: <859f0e42.34fde56f@aol.com> I'm late as well. but put me in for a contribution. Bob Allred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:41:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: AM update Message-ID: <199803042352.JAA08234@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hello all, Bob posts, on the subject of AM copies: >on the list for AM. With the price remaining at $15 >you are now assured of having the cost of postage covered.. and further down >with the rest of the list sending their >payment to Bill to cover his costs in copying and postage. This would >eliminate the hassle of my cashing them all and then resending them to Bill. Not intending to put a cloud over these deliberations but..... Did someone say 800 pages per set. 800 x 30 = 24,000 Bill was kind enough to offer to do some copying, but I think someone had better check whether 24 THOUSAND pages is okay. I, for one, was happy, and intended to, contribute to getting a copy (or an original set) for the list library, and will happily do without one for myself. That saves 800 pages anyhow Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:00:16 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: AM update Message-ID: <19980304.190017.4214.0.perrysm@juno.com> >Did someone say 800 pages per set. > >800 x 30 = 24,000 > >Bill was kind enough to offer to do some copying, but I think someone >had better check whether 24 THOUSAND pages is okay. > >I, for one, was happy, and intended to, contribute to getting a copy >(or >an original set) for the list library, and will happily do without one >for myself. That saves 800 pages anyhow > >Shane Me too. Perhaps the originals for the library and a couple of sets to mail around. Save a bunch od copying & colating Steven Perry perrysm@juno.com No war is "Great", but we all know which one had the Great airplanes! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:14:06 -0600 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Contributors to the AM fund Message-ID: <199803050021.SAA20080@mail.primary.net> Bob, please include me towards the $10 fund. Charlie Duckworth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:32:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Simard To: wwi Subject: Re: AM Offer Message-ID: <19980305003246.6117.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> ---Bob Pearson wrote: > > Bob, Please include me in on the contributors listing. But I need a name,address to send the funds to. As a new member of the list, I just wish to say this is great ! There isn't too many WWI Modellers in West Virginia. Thanks to all. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 10:45:58 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Contributors to the AM fund Message-ID: <34FE8266.479D@webtime.com.au> Bob, Confirming my offer to contribute - So it's $US25 all up including post ( on your best estimate of postage ) That's still OK with me DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 10:55:56 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: AM update Message-ID: <34FE84BC.9FD@webtime.com.au> Bob RE the split on the kitty First ten to post purchase price to you and the others to post their contribution to Bill Sorry old man, but who of us are in the first ten ? BTW Best put the Australians in together that way we can send one money Order or whatever to you or Bill as appropriate On behalf of all of us Many Thanks for all your efforts on this one - How's about a discount or free copy to Bob and Bill for all theyr'e putting into to this fellas ? DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 11:00:22 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: AM update Message-ID: <34FE85C6.22EA@webtime.com.au> Shane Weier wrote: will happily do without one for myself. That saves 800 pages anyhow > > Shane We can share a copy and save one lot of post and copying expenses if your agreeable DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 01:55:01 +0100 (MET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi Subject: Re: Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk Message-ID: <199803050055.BAA24821@login.eunet.no> >I'm working on my "Wings of Revolution" timeline, and I'm trying to >figure out if it would take longer than a fortnight for our hero, Lt. J. >I. Starbuck, R.A.F., to get to Murmansk from Newcastle on a WWI steam >ship. Speed: 8-12 knots (?) x distance (?)= According to his diary, Major Tryggve Gran RAF travelled with a troopship from Dundee on 20th September 1918 and reached Archangelsk ten days later. The distance from Newcastle to Dundee should be covered in less than a day, you sometimes have to wait for the tide so that you can enter the harbour. The Spanish Flu hit the troops onboard the vessels in the convoy, and they stopped a few times because of funeral services while at sea. Even if they did not make any diversions to avoid German submarines etc, it should take them at least a week to steam from Necastle to Northern Russia. (I work on seismic vessels, mainly in the North Sea, and they usually transit at about 12 knots while moving from one area to another.) Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 01:55:02 +0100 (MET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi Subject: Sopwith Baby - global hobby Message-ID: <199803050055.BAA24825@login.eunet.no> > That could be. I just happened to find this one while I was looking >for info. on Sopwith Babies [don't ask! 80) ]. I was tempted to post to >the list and ask if anyone knew anything on how to make a Baby....... >but I thought better of it! 80) If you still are looking for information on the Sopwith Baby, I might help yout on the way. Have been part of a team that wrote a profile on the Baby in Norwegian service, and built the Eduard kits in both 1/48 and 1/72. Currently cooperating with a group that is building a full scale flying Sopwith Baby for the Norwegian naval museum. It is a nice looking plane. Just one point when writing to Toko, I don't think it will be necessary to have the letter translated into Ukrainian/Russian. Quite a few Russians/Ukrainians understand English, like the rest of us who don't have English as our first language they might have some problems with writing it 100% correctly. If the instructions in the kits are in English, then I think a letter written in English would be understood if you keep it polite and simple. Maybe some of us could offer information on colour schemes, don't know which sources that are available in the Ukraine. Are there someone on the list who knows what kind of aircraft the very first Ukrainian airforce operated? Having Americans, Australians, Japanese and Norwegians discussing Ukranian kits sold on mailorder from the Czech republic prove it is a small world. To further prove this is a global hobby, when travelling to Karratha in WA I got a day in Perth where there was a good selection of Eduard kits (But at VERY high prices) and a note in the local hobbyshop where someone was asking for other WW1 aircraft modellers to give him a call. No Email adress given, but I have noticed quite a few listmembers with .au adresses. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:01:48 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980304180148.006edbd0@cadvision.com> At 11:29 AM 03/03/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >Shane Weier wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> You post, promptly and generously, >> >> >There is another photo of D.2065/17 in the December 1974 Wings. In this >> one >> >vHippel is standing with his sister behind the port wing beside the >> cockpit. >> >Unfortunately the light on the wing is at such an angle that pattern >> can't >> >be discerned. I can send you a scan oif this if you like. >> >> >> >> This marking is on one of the Aeromaster sheets. Anyone know how *they* >> interpret it? >> >> Shane >> (sdw@qld.mim.com.au) > > >AeroMaster has the wings as green/lilac, but just give a generalized >depiction of the pattern. They do not include the white chevron, and no >information is given about the underwing 'F'. Just to complete the listing, >ScaleMaster also lists the wings as green/purple, but with the chevron; >their dragon is monotoned red and not nearly as chubby as the pictures -- a >decidedly poor likeness, again, no word about the 'F'. > >Which then brings me to my own dumb question. Can someone describe the >underwing F for me before I die of appoplexy? Which wing underside, is it >block, cursive, old German? How big? Does it read from the front or back? > Also, can one use the Aeromaster sheet, assuming one can supply the underwing F and the upper wing chevron? And what did the chevron look like? In the book *Flying Colors" (or *Fighting Colors*), there are some pictures of the "mailed fist" DV, and the top view shows the chevron. Would it be something like this? It would be nice if I could use the Aeromaster sheet after all. Dane >Inquiring minds want to know. >-- >This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon >at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > >History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 07:17:03 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: AM update Message-ID: <34FD544F.C3E50D0E@netjava.net> Bob, Rick Ewing is willing to do half the job. With three weeks to go, the three of us can iron things out. I suggest that where there is more than one member in another country, we make a shipment to one indiviual and he can ship to others. Just an idea. I am more tha willimg to make extra copies for the library and I am sure Rick feels the same way. Rick your input please. Cheers, Bill B. Bob Pearson wrote: > Greetings all, > > There are now 30 members on the list for AM. With the price remaining at $15 > you are now assured of having the cost of postage covered.. > > The price breakdown is > > $125 purchase. > $325 for the postage to all contributors - I would think we are approaching > airmail now. > > My thought on payment is the first ten names on the list send it to me to > cover the cost of the purchase, with the rest of the list sending their > payment to Bill to cover his costs in copying and postage. This would > eliminate the hassle of my cashing them all and then resending them to Bill. > And if it is agreeable I will have the seller mail it direct to Bill for him > to do the copying. > > One other idea is if we get a surplus, Bill could do a few extra copies and > pass them on to the Library for sale to late comers to the list. > > Again I will be doing this via snail, so we have a couple of weeks to > finalize arrangements > > Regards, > Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:25:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Cc: "'D. Anderson'" Subject: RE: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Message-ID: <199803050136.LAA09337@mimmon.mim.com.au> Dane, Since I stirred up the discussion, and brought up the chevron and "F"s I'd better respond, though my memory might not be so precise as it should. >Also, can one use the Aeromaster sheet, assuming one can supply the >underwing F and the upper wing chevron? Heck yes, go ahead and use it. Underwing "F"s, plural BTW. They should be easy to make from black decal sheet, strip or by masking and painting. Reacg from LE to TE, width of strokes about 1 inter rib distance. Given that there is no photographic evidence, just supposition based on jasta precedent, you won't have some smarty complaining if the width is a hair out either. >And what did the chevron look like? In the book *Flying Colors" (or >*Fighting Colors*), there are some pictures of the "mailed fist" DV, and >the top view shows the chevron. Would it be something like this? The mailed fist is Flashars plane too. Jasta 5 apparently used the chevrons on the aircraft of their "kanones" - aces - and/or maybe kette leaders. Going from memory they consist of a white diagonal running between the first and second rib outboard of the centre section and finishing between one and two ribs inboard of the wing cross. Therefore, they aren't really chevrons, rather, inverted truncated "V"'s. (Caution - crappy memory warning ! The aforementioned widths and precise position may be out a rib or two in one direction or other. I'll check the refs and let you know offline) >It would be nice if I could use the Aeromaster sheet after all. Use it, use it. Like 99% of decals including the Americals one, the red goes on as a single screen coat, and can't properly replicate differing densities. It'll look fine > Dane > > > > >Inquiring minds want to know. > >-- > >This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon > >at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > > > >History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:38:04 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: Ken, > > hangars......did we get a definitive answer on that one? I've just discovered > > that there's an article in an old Scale Models [?], which includes a very > > good set of drawings. > > Anybody still interested? > > I definitely am interested. OK, they're yours. Some time in the next week. ***Anyone who wants the BESSONEAU HANGAR drawings, please send me your mailing address, and I'll get them out as soon as I can. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 921 *********************