WWI Digest 917 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von by Bob Pearson 2) Re: RAF wires by perrysm@juno.com 3) Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans by perrysm@juno.com 4) Sikorsky S.16 by mbittner@juno.com 5) Re: Aerodrome Modeler by mbittner@juno.com 6) Re: Aerodrome Modeler by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 7) Re: LIST LIBRARY by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 8) Re: Russian Aircraft. Calling out the List librarian by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 9) Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Hippe by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 10) Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 11) Re: RAF wires by Kevin Wenker 12) Re: Aerodrome Modeler by Bill Bacon 13) Re: Aerodrome Modeler by REwing 14) Re: Nieuport 17 Interior by REwing 15) Re: SOS by rojo1@concentric.net 16) Re: Aerodrome Modeler by Mick Fauchon 17) Re: Aerodrome Modeler by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 18) Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 19) Re: Fok.D.7 interior by Mick Fauchon 20) Re: Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 21) Re: Nieuport 17 Interior by Mick Fauchon 22) Re: Aerodrome Modeler by Mick Fauchon 23) Re: Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk by Mick Fauchon 24) Re: Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk by Mick Fauchon 25) Re: Aerodrome Modeler by Bob Pearson 26) Re: Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk by Bob Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:54:35 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Message-ID: <00543508000243@KAIEN.COM> Its Me Again (should be a book title), I forgot to mention that 'Iron Fist' is profiled in an early issue of C&C(GB). and bears all the Jasta 5 accoutrements of green tail, green centre section and white chevrons. Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Peter Mitchell > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:28:29 -0500 > > > > Hi Shane, > > (Yes, I'm back on the list) > > >I've seen it variously depicted with loz covered wings and with > >green/mauve/blue wings. Given that it's a D.V and an early one at that, > >and that AFAIK most D.V's were painted rather than loz it makes sense > >to me that the green/mauve/blue is right. > > I'm not sure if I know which aircraft you mean, by Flashars DV do you > mean the one with the "Mailed Fist" on It? > If so this is offered as an alternative scheme by Eduard. > > There is a picture of this machine "stacked" and you can clearly see the > top wing which is lozenge with the chevron, large balken cross and it > also seems to have a dark green painted centre section on the wing (I've > seen at least one profile like this... in "Flying Colours). > You can also see what looks like a white background over the grey > fuselage for the mailed fist.... something Eduard missed on thier decals. > > Hope this helps. > > Pete. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:25:44 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: RAF wires Message-ID: <19980302.194545.9326.2.perrysm@juno.com> >If you really want to try RAF wires (in 1/32 maybe) then I can only >suggest >that you heat stretch some contrail-type strut material. You will get >elliptical HSP providing the original material is uniformly ductile >and has >no imperfections in it. Could be fun trying to keep it at the right >uniform >orientation though! >Sandy > Just tried it and it keeps it's shape but the strut stock was too small to stretch very long. Some sprues are oval or somewhat slab sided and might work well. Doesn't evergreen make an oval section rod? sp _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:45:27 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans Message-ID: <19980302.194545.9326.3.perrysm@juno.com> On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:04:23 -0500 Shane Weier writes: >Hello all, > >In an off list discussion with another list member, the subject of >this >aircraft came up. > >I've seen it variously depicted with loz covered wings and with >green/mauve/blue wings. Given that it's a D.V and an early one at >that, >and that AFAIK most D.V's were painted rather than loz it makes sense >to >me that the green/mauve/blue is right. > >But I can only speculate. The only photo I've ever seen is the crash >pic >after von Hippel lost a lower wing. The aircraft is inverted and the >light strikes the lower surface of the upper wing in such a fashion >that >I can't begin to determine whether it's blue, or just looks light >because of the reflection from the smooth doped surface. > >My pic is a xerox of a photo in a book. Glen Merrill in the Americal >Gryphon Jasta 5 decal set instructions also mentions the common Jasta >5 >white chevron on the upper wing. This suggests that there's another >photo, though it may be one of the lineup shots at Boistrancourt which >would show the chevron but not enough detail to determine the fabric >type. > >Has anyone an original copy of the SqnSig in action title, or some >better reference photo which shows this area closely enough to say for >sure whether loz or painted fabric is on the wings? > >(BTW You can clearly see the tail. No help at all sine it has standard >Jasta 5 paintjob) > >Anyone care to comment? > >Shane > > Shane: NB that same acft. 1:72 Airfix kit. I have the Americal sheet but no other direct reference. There is an air museum in Mesa Az that has a replica of the ship and it has Mauve/Green upper surfaces. http://www.xnet.com/~tmblweed/albatrossd5.html Steve Perry _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:11:53 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Sikorsky S.16 Message-ID: <19980302.191155.14278.4.mbittner@juno.com> I saw on a Polish hobby shop's web site the existence of the Dakoplast Sikorsky S.16 in 1/72nd. If the S.16 is anything like their VVS kits, it will be awesome. Dakoplast is the manufacturer to watch for in 1998 - at least for non-WW1 entries. For WW1 it is definitely - hands down - Toko. Plus, the same site lists the ICM Il'ya Muromets as available as well. Check out: http://www.gphobby.krakow.pl/index.htm Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:04:13 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: <19980302.191155.14278.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:23:32 -0500 Graham Nash writes: >Alas, being UK based, I would not be able to provide any >Aerodrome Modeller issues. Can I offer instead copies of articles on >Albatros 2-Seaters from various issues of Scale Modeller or any on-topic >items from Airfix Magazine? Definitely! How about any and all WW1 armor articles from Airfix Magazine? Just a suggestion. Matt Bittner np: VeggieTales _Silly Sing Along_ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:23:18 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: <34FB5B86.292F@ricochet.net> Graham Nash wrote: > Alas, being UK based, I would not be able to provide any > Aerodrome Modeller issues. Can I offer instead copies of articles on > Albatros 2-Seaters from various issues of Scale Modeller or any on-topic items from Airfix Magazine? Yes, you certainly may. I'll file anything that arrives, and disseminate it as requested. You know, the library may end up a semi-genuine (a lot of copied materials) research archive. Then you landshark list members will have to come up with some living trust arrangement so it remains the property of the list and is not under any circumstances to be stored in a basement/garden shed, corporal punishment imposed in lieu of overdue fines, etc. etc., etc. Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:44:38 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: LIST LIBRARY Message-ID: <34FB6086.2D96@ricochet.net> David R.L. Laws wrote: > > I'm probably being really dumb, but is there a List of the List > Library's holdings available anywhere - What do you reckon Alan ? > Also, isn't there a case for assisting Riordan by establishing a > reference/ copy request protocol; As one recipient of his generosity I'd be very happy to provide, at the very least, an SAE - If you know what your'e after ( via a list of references ) and the approx no of pages we could all donate something to defray copying expenses too - If Riordan won't accept it, I would accept it on the condition I don't have to open a new bank account to handle it (I'll be happy to give a balance on request). This money would only be used for copying/postage, or for the sanctioned purchase of 'new' or additional titles. Y'all would have to work out some standard ante... > Hope this isn't out of order ! If not, how about it guys ? I'm comfortable with it. FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:49:32 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Russian Aircraft. Calling out the List librarian Message-ID: <34FB61AC.5542@ricochet.net> Pedro Nuno Soares wrote: > To the attention of the Great Darius, The list Librarian > > Hi Rio (Grande?) > > The last issue of Avions has an article on the use of the Morane = > Saulnier Type G in Russia in the early years of the war. Knowing your = > interest in rusky aircraft, would you like a copy of the article,which = > includes 5 color profiles? > Riordan, Maybe I should also send you a copy of the 4 part article = > they've ran on the Fokker DR-I for the Library... Send it all, and let me know if I might reimburse you for copying/postage. Thanks, Darius the Lesser, Rio Poco (small?) etc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:17:05 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Hippe Message-ID: <34FB6821.3965@ricochet.net> Shane Weier wrote: > Has anyone an original copy of the SqnSig in action title, I've had a look at mine, and only noticed the two inconclusive photos you mention. FWIW, the rear cover features a Jasta 5 D.V (3rd from left from Boistrancourt lineup shot) with light gray fuselage and green/mauve wings. Incidentally, according to the Albatros Fighters datafile, lozenge fabrics "began to appear" in April of 1917, and D.V series D.1962-2361/17 were manufactured in May, so it's quite possible 2065 was pre-lozenge. HTH, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:20:22 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Message-ID: <34FB68E6.54F4@ricochet.net> Bob Pearson wrote: "Mailed Fist" This marking is also featured on an Aeromaster or Superscale sheet. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:05:04 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: RAF wires Message-ID: <34FB8170.F69F1E81@interaccess.com> Here's a quick way I do the hardware on the rigging - I put some white glue on the wire near where it attaches. It gathers up in little clumps. When it tries, I paint with matt black and highlight with dark gray. Works well for me. Kevin Sandy Adam wrote: > > RAF wires! Anybody have any ideas about how to make this stuff in a > simple > > efficient fashion? Round line just doesn't look right in any scale > 1/48 > or > > larger > > Robert K > > As Peter says, we are trying to create an illusion and I cannot see > the > profile of RAF wires in most photographs so it doesn't bother me that > I > can't see them in 1/48. If you model in large (like flying) scales > then I > guess it becomes a problem. In 1/48 I am much more concerned about > rigging > attachment hardware (not turnbuckles) which are clearly visible but I > haven't cracked the solution to them yet. > > If you really want to try RAF wires (in 1/32 maybe) then I can only > suggest > that you heat stretch some contrail-type strut material. You will get > elliptical HSP providing the original material is uniformly ductile > and has > no imperfections in it. Could be fun trying to keep it at the right > uniform > orientation though! > Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 23:46:58 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: <34FB9952.3255CBE0@netjava.net> Bob, I have my own copier and would be more trhan glad to do the job. Snail Mail William B. Bacon, Jr. 911 Sixth Avenue Canyon TX 79015-3633 Cheers, Bill B. Bob Pearson wrote: > Greetings all, > > I have part of vol 1 dealing with the Belgians, all of 3/6, 4/1, 4/2, 4/3 > and 4/4. However I no longer have access to a free copier (The local copy > shop charges 15=A2 per page and there is roughly 300 pages in the 5 issues), > so I will offer to copy one of these for the library that no one else > mentions. I believe we now have . . . > > 2/6 from Matt > 3/3 from Brian > plus one of the above from myself > > However if someone with access to a free copier wants to do them all, I > could send them there and this kind soul can then forward them to the list. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > nl: Dusty Springfield (god, I love her voice) > > ---------- > > From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Aerodrome Modeler > > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:01:10 -0500 > > > > > > Sure, I'd be willing to send a copy of issue 3/3 to the library. > > I'd also love to trade with anyone who has other issues. (Send trade > > requests off-line, we don't really need to take up a lot of bandwidth on > > this.) > > > > Brian Reddington-Wilde > > 46 Highland St. > > Reading, MA 01867 > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:47:18 EST From: REwing To: wwi Subject: Re: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: <1a816027.34fb9968@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-02 19:00:25 EST, you write: << However if someone with access to a free copier wants to do them all, I could send them there and this kind soul can then forward them to the list. >> I HAVE A FREE COPIER!!! Sorry, didn't mean to shout, but this is getting exciting! Plus, Riordan lives only a hop,skip, and jump from me and I can deliver the finished product fairly quickly. I guess what I'm saying is....I VOLUNTEER!!! -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:52:09 EST From: REwing To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Interior Message-ID: In a message dated 98-03-02 19:10:26 EST, you write: << Anything else that shows the cockpit sides, floor, and instrumentation would also be of value. Thanks. >> There was a Fine Scale Modeler article awhile back that had some details, including an instrument panel lay-out. I don't know how accurate the article or if there is anything usable there for you. Let me know and I'll dig it out. HTH -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:09:42 +0000 From: rojo1@concentric.net To: wwi Subject: Re: SOS Message-ID: <199803030614.BAA19266@cliff.concentric.net> Steve: I'll help if I can. I've never handled a scanner, but I've installed every other peripheral under the sun on PCs (I'm no good with Macs). What processor do you have? How much memory? How much free hard-disk space? What operating system do you use (Win 3.11, Win95, WinNT?)? What other peripherals are installed (printers, Jazz/Zip drives, game devices, modems, sound cards, CD-ROMs,etc.)? What type of interface does the scanner use (parallel, SCSI...?)? What interrupts (IRQs) does it use? What I/O base address? All this should be in the documentation or readable from the opeerating system. If you use SCSI devices, are they terminated properly? Rob. > Just purchased a scanner and got trouble bundled as a bonus. If anyone on > the list knows about such devices, give me a shout off list. > TIA > > Steve Perry > No war is "Great", but we all know which one had the Great airplanes! > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Rob Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:30:40 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: > Alas, being UK based, I would not be able to provide any > Aerodrome Modeller issues. Can I offer instead copies of articles on > Albatros 2-Seaters from various issues of Scale Modeller or any on-topic > items from Airfix Magazine? Speaking of which, I vaguely remember a thread on Bessoneau [sp?] hangars......did we get a definitive answer on that one? I've just discovered that there's an article in an old Scale Models [?], which includes a very good set of drawings. Anybody still interested? Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:46:02 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: <34FBA72A.2A5A@ricochet.net> Mick Fauchon wrote: >I've just discovered that there's an article in an old Scale Models [?], which includes a very good set of drawings. > Anybody still interested? Seems to me an early issue of Windsock also had an article w/ 1/72 Bessoneau drawings... Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:54:06 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk Message-ID: <34FBA90E.7B7A@ricochet.net> I'm working on my "Wings of Revolution" timeline, and I'm trying to figure out if it would take longer than a fortnight for our hero, Lt. J. I. Starbuck, R.A.F., to get to Murmansk from Newcastle on a WWI steam ship. Speed: 8-12 knots (?) x distance (?)= Even WAGS (Wild assed guesses) are welcome. Thanks, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:02:55 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fok.D.7 interior Message-ID: Pedro, > >>There are colour photos of the restoration of the DVII at the RAF > Museum on the covers of a Windsock [of which I will supply details as=20 > soon as I've been home again] I've been home again, and the Windsocks are as follows: Vol. 12, No. 2, March/April '96 Vol. 12, No. 6, Nov/Dec '96 > >> As far as I'm concerned it's authoritative.....what that means is > that I'm perfectly happy with it, in as much as it matches what I've > seen. I use Revell [!!] Seidenmatt 362. Which my scribbled note [the one I couldn't read yesterday] tells me is RAL 6013 [i.e modern Luftwaffe]. > The DVII at the RAF Museum, shows a very strange color on the struts and = > cockpit interior. I'd assume that these would be painted on the normal = > gray-green primer and if the RAF's restorers interpretation of = > grey-green primer is correct then it is way different from RLM 02. I agree that it's significantly different from '02. > > The colour on the RAF Museum DVII is more close to a light Sky or a very = > light turquoise. I presume you've seen it "in the flesh". If it comes out that colour, then their interpretation isn't correct. In the colour photos it comes out as a greenish grey-green, or light to mid- olive, which matches pretty well with what I saw at the Deutsches Museum, which was why I was happy with Rev. 362. > Just 20 centavos worth of loud speaking... Depending on the exchange-rate, that was my 20 Pf. of moderately loud speaking 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:30:29 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk Message-ID: <199803030730.AA17757@ednet1.orednet.org> >I'm working on my "Wings of Revolution" timeline, and I'm trying to >figure out if it would take longer than a fortnight for our hero, Lt. J. >I. Starbuck, R.A.F., to get to Murmansk from Newcastle on a WWI steam >ship. Speed: 8-12 knots (?) x distance (?)= > >Even WAGS (Wild assed guesses) are welcome. My WAGs is about 1,400 miles as the crow flies - say 2,000 miles as the steam ship sails. Clearly less than a fortnight in any case. Say, 10 days at 8 mph (somewhat less than 8 kts) and somewhat less as speeds increase. Cheers, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org " There's worser things than marchin' from Umballa to Cawnpore" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:43:59 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Interior Message-ID: > There was a Fine Scale Modeler article awhile back that had some details, True, there was, but it was *very* rudimentery, especially for 1/32. > including an instrument panel lay-out. No instrument-panel as such, if fact I think it said something like: "instruments were attached to convenient frame-members". So what instruments? I'll have a look at it tonight when I go home, but I have a feeling it won't be all that useful. I also have a pic. of the interior of a B'eb'e, which I suspect is incomplete: it only shows *one* instrument!.....probably the tacho. I'd expect a few more basics.....e.g. fuel contents, fuel pressure [?], altimeter, compass, fuel-pressure hand-pump, ignition switch.....none of these show in the pic. I don't know how accurate the article > or if there is anything usable there for you. Let me know and I'll dig it > out. It's accurate as far as it goes, but *very* basic. Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:52:43 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: Riordan, > Seems to me an early issue of Windsock also had an article w/ 1/72 > Bessoneau drawings... That could be. I just happened to find this one while I was looking for info. on Sopwith Babies [don't ask! 80) ]. I was tempted to post to the list and ask if anyone knew anything on how to make a Baby....... but I thought better of it! 80) Cheers, Mick. Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:57:27 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk Message-ID: Riordan, > I. Starbuck, R.A.F., to get to Murmansk from Newcastle on a WWI steam > ship. Speed: 8-12 knots (?) x distance (?)= From my place? A hell of a long time! It would have taken a least 8 weeks to England, and then whatever the steaming time would be to Murmansk. Or are you referring to Newcastle-on-Tyne? 80) 80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:06:14 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk Message-ID: Hey, Bill, > " There's worser things than marchin' from Umballa to Cawnpore" There sure are, mate! Ya could be marchin' from Newcastle to Murmansk, ha-ha! Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:26:13 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: <10261388901335@KAIEN.COM> Greeting Bill and Rick, I'll send the copies out within the next week when I next get downtown. Bill would it be alright to send them to Rick, and have him forward them to you to copy for your own use before you return them to me ? Work it out amongst yourselves gentlemen as to who wants them first and let me know . So with Rick or Bill copying these, we now have: 2/6 via Matt 3/3 via Brian 3/6 via Bill and myself 4/1 4/1 4/3 4/4 Okay group here is a scoop for you. I know a fellow offlist with the ENTIRE Aerodrome modeler for sale. What are we willing to pay for it? He has asked me to write him a snail and make an offer. This is for 16 issues at around 50 pages each - let's say 800pages regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:26:18 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Travel times c. June,1918: Newcastle to Murmansk Message-ID: <10261867601336@KAIEN.COM> Darian Tobius the third queries . . > I'm working on my "Wings of Revolution" timeline, and I'm trying to > figure out if it would take longer than a fortnight for our hero, Lt. J. > I. Starbuck, R.A.F., to get to Murmansk from Newcastle on a WWI steam > ship. Speed: 8-12 knots (?) x distance (?)= > > Even WAGS (Wild assed guesses) are welcome. > > Thanks, > > Riordan Rory, according to Frank Shrive in The Diary of a PBO, he left Dundee on September 21 1918 and arrived at Murmansk on the 30 September. Not quite the route your hero is tking, but at least it is in the neighbourhood. regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 917 *********************