WWI Digest 916 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Fly fishing tippet/Real sizes by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 2) Re: Fly fishing tippet/Real sizes by "Sandy Adam" 3) Re: Wings 48 Salmson 2A2 by fedders 4) Re: Felixstowe F2A by fedders 5) Re: Fly fishing tippet/Real sizes by fedders 6) Re: Wings 48 Salmson 2A2 by "Patrick Gilmore" 7) RE: Toko Pfalz D.XII by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 8) SOS by perrysm@juno.com 9) Re: SOS by Kevin Wenker 10) Toko Kits by John Berlien 11) Re: SOS by perrysm@juno.com (Steven M Perry) 12) Re: SOS by Kevin Wenker 13) Re: Fly fishing tippet/Real sizes by KarrArt 14) Re: Toko Kits by BStett3770 15) Re: Toko Kits by mbittner@juno.com 16) RAF wires by "Sandy Adam" 17) Nieuport 17 Interior by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 18) Aerodrome Modeler by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 19) Re: LIST LIBRARY by "David R.L. Laws" 20) Re: Fok.D.7 interior by Pedro Nuno Soares 21) Re: Aerodrome Modeler by Bob Pearson 22) Russian Aircraft. Calling out the List librarian by Pedro Nuno Soares 23) Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Hippe by Shane Weier 24) RE: LIST LIBRARY by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 25) Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Hippe by Bob Pearson 26) Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von by Peter Mitchell 27) RE: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Hippe by Shane Weier 28) RE: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 ( the DRAGON) by Shane Weier 29) Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von by Bob Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:43:56 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fly fishing tippet/Real sizes Message-ID: Len asks: >Now the new question: Were the cables used for the control surfaces >and the rigging the same diameter normally ? Len, I've got photocopies of old RAF rigging manuals and they definately use different diameter wires for different parts of the rigging/flying wires. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:22:57 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Fly fishing tippet/Real sizes Message-ID: <199803021120.LAA24385@beryl.sol.co.uk> I haven't been following this thread, but I have the RAF Museum reprint of RFC/RAF technical notes which gives spec on wires. If somebody wants sizes for a particular British aeroplane just ask. Sandy > >Now the new question: Were the cables used for the control surfaces > >and the rigging the same diameter normally ? > > > Len, > > I've got photocopies of old RAF rigging manuals and they definately use > different diameter wires for different parts of the rigging/flying wires. > > Kevin Barrett. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:58:45 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wings 48 Salmson 2A2 Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Bruce Simard wrote: > > Gentlemen, > I've been searching in vain for the last several years for a copy of > the wings 48 vacform kit of the Salmson 2A2. I've never seen the > kit,but read several reviews of it. The reviews were relatively > good,and raved about the decal sheet. > Has anyone seen this kit recently ? Is it worth the time and effort > ? Would you say it ranks with Sierra ? Plus if anyone has one they > want to get rid of,or possibly trade,please let me know. > Any and all information would be appreciated. Thanks. I have biult the Wings 1/48 Salmson 2A2 and it is very nice- comparable to Sierra. You can buy directly from wings and I think that Usk may carry them. I will try to bring the wings address tomorrow peter > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:02:20 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Felixstowe F2A Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, REwing wrote: > Has anyone seen or bought the vacform 1/48th version from Lonestar Models > and/or the TC Models version? Any comments? I've read the review in Windsock > about TCM version, but would like to hear from others. The Lonstar one costs > $70(USD) and the TCM one is 70(GBP) (ouch!). With a wingspan of 24", it would > be a very impressive model!! > TIA > -Rick- > Rick, \I have biult the Lonestar 1/48 Felixstowe but it took a lot of work. Part ofthis is becasue it is so big. However, it does need bracing for t he wings and where the wing attaches to the fuselage - otherwise it will be floppy. WHen finished, it made a very nice looking kit. There are (at least in mine) decals and a lot of metal parts (guns, props, etc) included. I have not seen the TCM and probably won't buy it peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:05:30 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fly fishing tippet/Real sizes Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Sandy Adam wrote: > I haven't been following this thread, but I have the RAF Museum reprint of > RFC/RAF technical notes which gives spec on wires. If somebody wants sizes > for a particular British aeroplane just ask. > Sandy > > >Now the new question: Were the cables used for the control surfaces > > >and the rigging the same diameter normally ? > > > > > > Len, > > > > I've got photocopies of old RAF rigging manuals and they definately use > > different diameter wires for different parts of the rigging/flying wires. > > > > Kevin Barrett. > > > > > >I looked at the plans for t he Fokker DVII and Sopwith Pup and most rigging lines are a few mm. If you use scale size on a 1/48 or 1/72 model, you probably will never see the rigging. Remember, we create illusions not scasle replicas. And yes, thicknesses do vary for different lines peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:05:18 -0500 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: Wings 48 Salmson 2A2 Message-ID: <199803021707.MAA11348@sulaco.novagate.net> > >I recently ordered the decal sheet for the Salmson (I wish to use it on the > >1/48th resin Salmson 2A2 from Czechmasters > > Does that one really exist? Do you have a copy of it? > > >I have seen the vac kit from wings48 > >and it looked to be a top notch vacform. > > But louvers are always are a problem on vacs. > I have the kit on order through Aviation USK. As far as if it exists or not I guess I will find out if it ever gets here. These kits take forever to arrive, but at least in the case of the 1/72nd scale subjects I have tried the quality is pretty darn good. I would try to tackle the Wings 48 kit but I really detest vacs. Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:11:45 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Toko Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <01BD45CB.FD7AC100.panz-meador@vsti.com> from the harleyford book, 1:72 scale: Pfalz D.XII: wingspan (greatest width over "elephant ear" ailerons): 125.5 mm wingspan (lower): 111.5 mm maximum, i.e. at trailing edge chord (upper): 17 mm on centerline chord (lower): 19.5 mm at fuesalage attachment joint length (prop. boss - trailing edge of vertical tail): 90 mm length (rear of cockpit sill-ditto): 47.33 mm if you'd like, i could scan this dude in (it also has x-sections) and e-mail it to you... while i can't vouchsafe the accuracy of these plans, they seem to be pretty good from the cases i've checked. also, it's nice to be able to lay esci's fokker d.vii wing down on them and say "ahhhh......" and esci's albatross d.iii and say "AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!". phillip -----Original Message----- From: Kevin & Kimberley Barrett [SMTP:kevinkim@interlog.com] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 1998 8:08 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Toko Pfalz D.XII Hello list and Pflaz D.XII experts: As I was saying, I picked up the Toko kits today and they're first-rate (for the price). I don't have scale plans for either the SSW D.III/IV or the Pfalz D.XII, but I do have unbuilt Pegasus kits to compare the Toko ones to. The Toko and Pegasus SSW D.IIIs are pretty close to one-another (and the Toko is far superior), but the D.XIIs are a different story. The wings of the Toko kit are significantly longer than the Pegasus offering, while the fuselage is much shorter. Which company's kit is closer to published plans? Can anyone compare the kits to a Datafile? TIA. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:11:34 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: SOS Message-ID: <19980302.121134.13774.0.perrysm@juno.com> Just purchased a scanner and got trouble bundled as a bonus. If anyone on the list knows about such devices, give me a shout off list. TIA Steve Perry No war is "Great", but we all know which one had the Great airplanes! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:10:17 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: SOS Message-ID: <34FAF609.30F4@interaccess.com> perrysm@juno.com wrote: > > Just purchased a scanner and got trouble bundled as a bonus. If anyone on > the list knows about such devices, give me a shout off list. > TIA > > Steve Perry > No war is "Great", but we all know which one had the Great airplanes! > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] What sort of trouble. I manage Tech Services for a living. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:22:06 -0800 From: John Berlien To: wwi Subject: Toko Kits Message-ID: I know this is a dumb question, since I have not been reading the Toko discussions until I noticed the kits in the latest Squadron sale flyer, but what media are these kits? Are they regular styrene or vac? Thanks, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:57:54 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com (Steven M Perry) To: wwi Subject: Re: SOS Message-ID: <19980302.135754.4262.0.perrysm@juno.com> >What sort of trouble. I manage Tech Services for a living. >Kevin > Kevin : Thanks, shoot me your e-mail it didn't come thru on your reply. I'll list the equipment & symptoms and send them back to you. List: I'm only slightly off topic as I gotta get the scanner working before I can scan that autographed Udet photo & make it available. Steven Perry perrysm@juno.com No war is "Great" but we all know which one had the Great Airplanes! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:35:43 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: SOS Message-ID: <34FB0A0F.587F@interaccess.com> Steven M Perry wrote: > > >What sort of trouble. I manage Tech Services for a living. > >Kevin > > > Kevin : > Thanks, shoot me your e-mail it didn't come thru on your reply. I'll list > the equipment & symptoms and send them back to you. > > List: I'm only slightly off topic as I gotta get the scanner working > before I can scan that autographed Udet photo & make it available. > > Steven Perry > perrysm@juno.com > > No war is "Great" but we all know which one had the Great Airplanes! > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Steve, kwenker@interaccess.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:11:24 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Fly fishing tippet/Real sizes Message-ID: <402781e1.34fb2e8e@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-02 13:29:40 EST, you write: << >I looked at the plans for t he Fokker DVII and Sopwith Pup and most rigging lines are a few mm. If you use scale size on a 1/48 or 1/72 model, you probably will never see the rigging. Remember, we create illusions not scasle replicas. And yes, thicknesses do vary for different lines peter >> RAF wires! Anybody have any ideas about how to make this stuff in a simple efficient fashion? Round line just doesn't look right in any scale 1/48 or larger Robert K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:33:12 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko Kits Message-ID: <2aa5b227.34fb33aa@aol.com> Hi Jack The Toko kits are 1/72 Injection molded styrene. Some of the best I've seen to date in 1/72 scale I have the cover art on my web site if you want to look at em. www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:38:54 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko Kits Message-ID: <19980302.163859.11470.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:19:02 -0500 John Berlien writes: >I know this is a dumb question, since I have not been reading the Toko >discussions until I noticed the kits in the latest Squadron sale flyer, but >what media are these kits? Are they regular styrene or vac? Injected plastic all throughout. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:40:16 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: RAF wires Message-ID: <199803022236.WAA20862@beryl.sol.co.uk> > RAF wires! Anybody have any ideas about how to make this stuff in a simple > efficient fashion? Round line just doesn't look right in any scale 1/48 or > larger > Robert K As Peter says, we are trying to create an illusion and I cannot see the profile of RAF wires in most photographs so it doesn't bother me that I can't see them in 1/48. If you model in large (like flying) scales then I guess it becomes a problem. In 1/48 I am much more concerned about rigging attachment hardware (not turnbuckles) which are clearly visible but I haven't cracked the solution to them yet. If you really want to try RAF wires (in 1/32 maybe) then I can only suggest that you heat stretch some contrail-type strut material. You will get elliptical HSP providing the original material is uniformly ductile and has no imperfections in it. Could be fun trying to keep it at the right uniform orientation though! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:57:59 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Nieuport 17 Interior Message-ID: <199803022259.QAA01932@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> I am in need of information concerning the cockpit interior of the Nieuport 17 / 23. Would anyone have an "extra" copy of the following publications that I could purchase or borrow? Windsock Datafile 20 Windsock Dataplans S/32/1 Windsock International, Vol. 7, No. 1 Anything else that shows the cockpit sides, floor, and instrumentation would also be of value. Thanks. Paul A. Schwartzkopf nb: Hobbycraft Nie 17 (does it show? :-)) ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 1998 17:59:54 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: <888879616360164@bdsbbs.com> Sure, I'd be willing to send a copy of issue 3/3 to the library. I'd also love to trade with anyone who has other issues. (Send trade requests off-line, we don't really need to take up a lot of bandwidth on this.) Brian Reddington-Wilde 46 Highland St. Reading, MA 01867 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:43:47 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: LIST LIBRARY Message-ID: <34FBD0D3.6660@webtime.com.au> I'm probably being really dumb, but is there a List of the List Library's holdings available anywhere - What do you reckon Alan ? Also, isn't there a case for assisting Riordan by establishing a reference/ copy request protocol; As one recipient of his generosity I'd be very happy to provide, at the very least, an SAE - If you know what your'e after ( via a list of references ) and the approx no of pages we could all donate something to defray copying expenses too - If Riordan won't accept it, the resulting pot could be used to fund occassional purchases to add to the donated volumes he already holds Hope this isn't out of order ! If not, how about it guys ? A colonial 2¢ worth REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:10:08 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Re: Fok.D.7 interior Message-ID: <01BD4634.46188E20@fei1-p15.telepac.pt> Mick wrote in reponse to Bill: >>There are colour photos of the restoration of the DVII at the RAF Museum on the covers of a Windsock [of which I will supply details as=20 soon as I've been home again] > Does anyone, incidently, have an authoritive color match > for the gray-green primer? >> As far as I'm concerned it's authoritative.....what that means is that I'm perfectly happy with it, in as much as it matches what I've seen. I use Revell [!!] Seidenmatt 362. I've been operating on the > premise that it would be closely related to WW2 RLM 02 > and have been using an RLM 02 darkened down a bit which > seems to look all right. This brings me to the following question: The DVII at the RAF Museum, shows a very strange color on the struts and = cockpit interior. I'd assume that these would be painted on the normal = gray-green primer and if the RAF's restorers interpretation of = grey-green primer is correct then it is way different from RLM 02. The colour on the RAF Museum DVII is more close to a light Sky or a very = light turquoise. Just 20 centavos worth of loud speaking... Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:46:52 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: <23465246800020@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, I have part of vol 1 dealing with the Belgians, all of 3/6, 4/1, 4/2, 4/3 and 4/4. However I no longer have access to a free copier (The local copy shop charges 15=A2 per page and there is roughly 300 pages in the 5 issues), so I will offer to copy one of these for the library that no one else mentions. I believe we now have . . . 2/6 from Matt 3/3 from Brian plus one of the above from myself However if someone with access to a free copier wants to do them all, I could send them there and this kind soul can then forward them to the list. Regards, Bob Pearson nl: Dusty Springfield (god, I love her voice) ---------- > From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Aerodrome Modeler > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:01:10 -0500 > > > Sure, I'd be willing to send a copy of issue 3/3 to the library. > I'd also love to trade with anyone who has other issues. (Send trade > requests off-line, we don't really need to take up a lot of bandwidth on > this.) > > Brian Reddington-Wilde > 46 Highland St. > Reading, MA 01867 > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:36:32 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Russian Aircraft. Calling out the List librarian Message-ID: <01BD4634.486BA5E0@fei1-p15.telepac.pt> To the attention of the Great Darius, The list Librarian Hi Rio (Grande?) The last issue of Avions has an article on the use of the Morane = Saulnier Type G in Russia in the early years of the war. Knowing your = interest in rusky aircraft, would you like a copy of the article,which = includes 5 color profiles? What about you Erik P.? Riordan, Maybe I should also send you a copy of the 4 part article = they've ran on the Fokker DR-I for the Library... Um abraco Pedro n.b Eduard 1/72 Fokker DVIII Revell 1/72 Me 262 n.p. Beethoven, the 9th. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:02:07 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Hippe Message-ID: <199803030012.KAA24578@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hello all, In an off list discussion with another list member, the subject of this aircraft came up. I've seen it variously depicted with loz covered wings and with green/mauve/blue wings. Given that it's a D.V and an early one at that, and that AFAIK most D.V's were painted rather than loz it makes sense to me that the green/mauve/blue is right. But I can only speculate. The only photo I've ever seen is the crash pic after von Hippel lost a lower wing. The aircraft is inverted and the light strikes the lower surface of the upper wing in such a fashion that I can't begin to determine whether it's blue, or just looks light because of the reflection from the smooth doped surface. My pic is a xerox of a photo in a book. Glen Merrill in the Americal Gryphon Jasta 5 decal set instructions also mentions the common Jasta 5 white chevron on the upper wing. This suggests that there's another photo, though it may be one of the lineup shots at Boistrancourt which would show the chevron but not enough detail to determine the fabric type. Has anyone an original copy of the SqnSig in action title, or some better reference photo which shows this area closely enough to say for sure whether loz or painted fabric is on the wings? (BTW You can clearly see the tail. No help at all sine it has standard Jasta 5 paintjob) Anyone care to comment? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:04:52 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: LIST LIBRARY Message-ID: <01BD4605.B3B66DA0.panz-meador@vsti.com> huzzah! i heartily second your motion. the information i've received from this list is well worth contributions here and there... phillip -----Original Message----- From: David R.L. Laws [SMTP:laws@webtime.com.au] Sent: Monday, March 02, 1998 5:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: LIST LIBRARY I'm probably being really dumb, but is there a List of the List Library's holdings available anywhere - What do you reckon Alan ? Also, isn't there a case for assisting Riordan by establishing a reference/ copy request protocol; As one recipient of his generosity I'd be very happy to provide, at the very least, an SAE - If you know what your'e after ( via a list of references ) and the approx no of pages we could all donate something to defray copying expenses too - If Riordan won't accept it, the resulting pot could be used to fund occassional purchases to add to the donated volumes he already holds Hope this isn't out of order ! If not, how about it guys ? A colonial 2c worth REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:16:37 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Hippe Message-ID: <00163717400126@KAIEN.COM> Shane, There is another photo of D.2065/17 in the December 1974 Wings. In this one vHippel is standing with his sister behind the port wing beside the cockpit. Unfortunately the light on the wing is at such an angle that pattern can't be discerned. I can send you a scan oif this if you like. Anyone know what Dan Abbott's interpretation is? regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Hippe > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:04:23 -0500 > > Hello all, > > In an off list discussion with another list member, the subject of this > aircraft came up. > > I've seen it variously depicted with loz covered wings and with > green/mauve/blue wings. Given that it's a D.V and an early one at that, > and that AFAIK most D.V's were painted rather than loz it makes sense to > me that the green/mauve/blue is right. > > But I can only speculate. The only photo I've ever seen is the crash pic > after von Hippel lost a lower wing. The aircraft is inverted and the > light strikes the lower surface of the upper wing in such a fashion that > I can't begin to determine whether it's blue, or just looks light > because of the reflection from the smooth doped surface. > > My pic is a xerox of a photo in a book. Glen Merrill in the Americal > Gryphon Jasta 5 decal set instructions also mentions the common Jasta 5 > white chevron on the upper wing. This suggests that there's another > photo, though it may be one of the lineup shots at Boistrancourt which > would show the chevron but not enough detail to determine the fabric > type. > > Has anyone an original copy of the SqnSig in action title, or some > better reference photo which shows this area closely enough to say for > sure whether loz or painted fabric is on the wings? > > (BTW You can clearly see the tail. No help at all sine it has standard > Jasta 5 paintjob) > > Anyone care to comment? > > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:21:30 +1000 From: Peter Mitchell To: wwi Subject: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Message-ID: Hi Shane, (Yes, I'm back on the list) >I've seen it variously depicted with loz covered wings and with >green/mauve/blue wings. Given that it's a D.V and an early one at that, >and that AFAIK most D.V's were painted rather than loz it makes sense >to me that the green/mauve/blue is right. I'm not sure if I know which aircraft you mean, by Flashars DV do you mean the one with the "Mailed Fist" on It? If so this is offered as an alternative scheme by Eduard. There is a picture of this machine "stacked" and you can clearly see the top wing which is lozenge with the chevron, large balken cross and it also seems to have a dark green painted centre section on the wing (I've seen at least one profile like this... in "Flying Colours). You can also see what looks like a white background over the grey fuselage for the mailed fist.... something Eduard missed on thier decals. Hope this helps. Pete. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:32:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Hippe Message-ID: <199803030042.KAA25669@mimmon.mim.com.au> Bob, You post, promptly and generously, >There is another photo of D.2065/17 in the December 1974 Wings. In this one >vHippel is standing with his sister behind the port wing beside the cockpit. >Unfortunately the light on the wing is at such an angle that pattern can't >be discerned. I can send you a scan oif this if you like. That figures. I would like, greatly, when/if you have the opportunity. >Anyone know what Dan Abbott's interpretation is? Not I. Glen M in the A/G Jasta 5 decal pack doesn't make a guess so far as I recall without reviewing the instruction booklet. (Incidentally, A/G's instruction books are little treasures. Glen is a committed researcher, and whether you always agree with his interpretation or not, he has the guts to tell in advance where his observations are slimly based and to admit his errors if later information shows he's wrong) Peter Gray (writing in 1971) says only that the fuselage was "Pastel Grey" , details the Jasta and personal markings but not the fabric. *His* informant was von Hippel himself, but I guess that by 1971, half a century and more after the fact, old Hans' memory wouldn't stretch to that sort of trivia (and who would expect it to. If I were him the most vivid memory I'd have of *that* plane would be crapping myself when the wing fell off) This marking is on one of the Aeromaster sheets. Anyone know how *they* interpret it? Shane (sdw@qld.mim.com.au) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:38:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 ( the DRAGON) Message-ID: <199803030049.KAA25881@mimmon.mim.com.au> Pete, >I'm not sure if I know which aircraft you mean, by Flashars DV do you >mean the one with the "Mailed Fist" on It? >If so this is offered as an alternative scheme by Eduard. Sorry, my Subject line was trimmed by the list server (or elsewhere). Now I've shortened it and made things clear (I hope) No, the chubby dragon, big "F" under the wing. It was Flashars old machine, passed to Hippel who promptly lost a wing. Good move on Flashars part. >There is a picture of this machine "stacked" and you can clearly see the >top wing which is lozenge with the chevron, large balken cross and it >also seems to have a dark green painted centre section on the wing (I've >seen at least one profile like this... in "Flying Colours). This is Flashars "new" machine, or maybe one of them. >You can also see what looks like a white background over the grey >fuselage for the mailed fist.... something Eduard missed on thier decals. Yes, I know about this. Incidentally, A/G get it right, and while some of their personal markings might need trimming a little, this one is (on my sheet) perfect. Nice to see you back. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:49:53 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von Message-ID: <00495387500230@KAIEN.COM> Pete, The aircraft you mention isn't the same as Shane was wondering about. The one Shane refers to had a fire breathing dragon on the fuselage. While flying this aircraft on 18 February 1918, Hippel lost his port lower wing in a dive. Luckily he was in a D.V with the control wires running through the upper wing, had he been in a D.III or D.Va the story could have had a different ending. The photo Shane refers to shows D.2065 on it's back minus the aforementioned wing. BTW there is a THIRD photo, and yes, it is part of a Boistrancourt lineup. ALso yes, no detail is visible, as the wings are only visible on edge. And in regards to Shane's comment on Glen Merrill. I agree with liking the fact that Glen stats his references and updates when possible. That is something I wish I had done from day one with my profiles, unfortunately I didn't know I was going to be doing 1100+ of them. So the first 100 or so are a little flimsy on where I got them from, my later stuff states from whence it came, and any doubts that exist. regards, Bob Pearson nl; Well you know :-) ---------- > From: Peter Mitchell > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Albatros D.V D.2065/17 (Richard Flashar, then Hans von > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:28:29 -0500 > > > > Hi Shane, > > (Yes, I'm back on the list) > > >I've seen it variously depicted with loz covered wings and with > >green/mauve/blue wings. Given that it's a D.V and an early one at that, > >and that AFAIK most D.V's were painted rather than loz it makes sense > >to me that the green/mauve/blue is right. > > I'm not sure if I know which aircraft you mean, by Flashars DV do you > mean the one with the "Mailed Fist" on It? > If so this is offered as an alternative scheme by Eduard. > > There is a picture of this machine "stacked" and you can clearly see the > top wing which is lozenge with the chevron, large balken cross and it > also seems to have a dark green painted centre section on the wing (I've > seen at least one profile like this... in "Flying Colours). > You can also see what looks like a white background over the grey > fuselage for the mailed fist.... something Eduard missed on thier decals. > > Hope this helps. > > Pete. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 916 *********************