WWI Digest 912 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Circus Colours by Graham Nash 2) Re: Circus Colours by Carlos Valdes 3) Re: Zep paint by Charles Hart 4) Re: Circus Colours by Charles Hart 5) Re: Prague visit by "Sandy Adam" 6) RE: A call out to Toko by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 7) Re: Prague visit by Charles Hart 8) Re: Prague visit by fedders 9) Tiny monofilament line by Robert Godfrey 10) Zep Info by perrysm@juno.com (Steven M Perry) 11) Re: Tiny monofilament line by "Charles Duckworth" 12) Re: Tiny monofilament line by Kevin Wenker 13) RE: Tiny monofilament line by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 14) Re: Paper model Zep by Matthew Zivich 15) Re: Zep paint by KarrArt 16) Re: Circus Colours and Aerodrome Modeller by KarrArt 17) Re: Tiny monofilament lineWICKER SEATS by KarrArt 18) Re: Zep paint by KarrArt 19) Re: Au secours! by Patrick Padovan 20) Re: Au secours! by MCCLURE@skynet.dcs.eis.lmco.com 21) Re: 1/48 Zep by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 22) Re: Zep paint by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 23) by Pedro Nuno Soares 24) Re: A call out to Toko by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 25) Re: 1/48 Zep by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 26) Re: Zepp models by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 27) Hand Pump / Air pump by perrysm@juno.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:32:39 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Circus Colours Message-ID: <199802271630.AA15358@egate2.citicorp.com> Carlos Valdes wrote: > > I'm pretty sure (I'm at work and don't have access to my collection) > this is a reference to a series of articles Greg penned for C&C in the late > '70s and early '80s. There were 10 in total, all but one or two dealing with > the markings and colors of individual jastas (e.g., 14, 18, 23, 40--I don't > recall the others off-hand), the other(s) looking at two-seat units. They > included both text and line profiles and are very nice references, although > in at least one case Greg has corrected himself based on subseqent research. > I have, in original or copy format, the whole run, if anyone has any > questions about them. I also have copies of several issues of Aerodrome > Modeler, which icluded similar articles, some of the information ending up > finally in Greg's fabric title on JGI. > Carlos Can anyone help with copies of the relevant articles? I'll be happy to pay towards copying/handling postage charges. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:37:40 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Circus Colours Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980227163740.006d1c00@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Graham, What subjects exactly are you interested in? I can post the list of jastas when I get home. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:55:14 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Zep paint Message-ID: >>>>>while a combination >>>>>of four shades of grey enamel for the "mottled" area on the >>>>>upper center portion of the envelope. >>> >>>>I've seen photos of zeps w/ this mottled area. Why did they have them? <<<<>>>> >> Didn't zeppelin envelopes have vents built into them to relieve >>hydrogen build up ? > >Yes. > >>This makes the explanation of unpainted covering to >>"vent" excess hydrogen a little suspect to me. > >But there are still those rectangular darkish patches on the middle >topsides. What are thes for then? >Maybe the vents connected directly to the gas bags. Temperature rose, gas >expands, out the excess goes through the vents. Maybe the "loose weave >areas were for letting gas escape in case there were any punctures in the >gas bags? > > Well, you know, if the whole of the fabric covering on a Zepplin WASN'T sealed with dope. aluminum impregnated paint or whatever wouldn't that have some adverse effects on the aerodynamic efficency of the "empire state building" on its side and heading into the wind ????? The weave of the fabric, on any aircraft, needs to be smoothed and filled against the rush of air on an airframe. If something needs venting, then its up to the engineer to figure out a structure to remove the offending material. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:58:17 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Circus Colours Message-ID: >Carlos Valdes wrote: >> >> I'm pretty sure (I'm at work and don't have access to my collection) >> this is a reference to a series of articles Greg penned for C&C in the late >> '70s and early '80s. There were 10 in total, all but one or two dealing with >> the markings and colors of individual jastas (e.g., 14, 18, 23, 40--I don't >> recall the others off-hand), the other(s) looking at two-seat units. They >> included both text and line profiles and are very nice references, although >> in at least one case Greg has corrected himself based on subseqent research. >> I have, in original or copy format, the whole run, if anyone has any >> questions about them. I also have copies of several issues of Aerodrome >> Modeler, which icluded similar articles, some of the information ending up >> finally in Greg's fabric title on JGI. >> Carlos > >Can anyone help with copies of the relevant articles? I'll be happy to >pay towards copying/handling postage charges. There were various issues of Aerodrome Modeler issued during the 1970's, mostly as stacks of xeroxed paper. Original copies are quite rare and I've never seen a complete set, which is why, I think, that so much of this information has been sent around in C&C and OTF articles and in various Albatros endeavours. Sorry Graham, I can't help here. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:55:36 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Prague visit Message-ID: <199802271750.RAA26486@beryl.sol.co.uk> > If the Anatra is still blessed with being un-vandalized by the > "restorers" at the Prague Museum, I'd love some color photos of this > machine. I'll gladly pay for the processing. > > Charles Unfortunately I lost interest in photography about five years ago and sold all my Canon T-90 gear. Now of course I wish I hadn't. I've only got an auto-focus Olympus, but will be using it wherever I can. The Anatra is still hanging from the ceiling I believe so I don't know how much will be visible, but the Knoller seems to be easily approachable. If it comes off, you will be welcome to whatever I get. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:07:58 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: A call out to Toko Message-ID: <01BD4378.59DE0160.panz-meador@vsti.com> here is a draft cut at a letter to TOKO (sorry, the minicraft letter from the modeling site is apparently unavailable). the intent is to keep it short and sweet while using fairly standard/simple english. space has been left at the bottom to list those kits of personal interest to us. let me know what you think. phillip LETTER STARTS HERE>>> TOKO Experimental Industrial Technologies Plant JNT STK 46, Mashinobudivna 252180 Kiev UKRAINE Dear Sir or Ma'am: This letter is written to congratulate TOKO on the current line of aircraft kits of World War 1, and to request that this line be expanded to include other WW1 aircraft. While many kits of WW1 subjects have been issued over the years, even such standards as the Sopwith Camel and SPAD VII or XIII are in need of replacement by accurate, high quality, and relatively inexpensive kits. Based upon reviews of your current Siemens-Schuckert D-III/IV kit, we believe TOKO has the ability to do this, and we encourage TOKO to do so. A selection of WW1 subjects I would personally be interested in seeing produced, and would buy if the kit were available, is listed below. Other modelers will be sending you their lists, and perhaps the most-requested of these can form the basis of your future issues. Thank you for your consideration, and keep up the good work. Sincerely, __________________
Kits which I desire to see TOKO produce are: -----Original Message----- From: Pedro Nuno Soares [SMTP:pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 1998 4:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A call out to Toko Matt Count me in to write those guys a letter too.=20 As a recent convert to WW1 aircraft I find it difficult to nominate my = "wish I had this one" models, mainly due to my ignorance on the matter = (I'm trying hard to catch up though...). So I guess I'll endorse any = models the list wish to elect as "most wanted", since I'm sure they'll = be the best choices. As I'm writing off-line I can't remember the exact contents of the "help = promote..." letter, but what Graham said makes sense. Why not adapt the = letter and have it sent to TOKO on an individual basis? If Philip can = come up with a translation so much the better even though I believe = English will most certainly do.=20 Now as to requesting Toko to go 1/48..., guys what's the matter with = you, you have it all... you have never seen us asking you to endorse a = letter to Glencoe to have them make a 1/72 copy of their famous = albatros, have you? So why should we care...? :-) =20 Um abraco Pedro Going to limbo on a limo - Joey Valenciano=20 Isn't this a cool citation to add to one's postings? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:20:53 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Prague visit Message-ID: >> If the Anatra is still blessed with being un-vandalized by the >> "restorers" at the Prague Museum, I'd love some color photos of this >> machine. I'll gladly pay for the processing. >> >> Charles > >Unfortunately I lost interest in photography about five years ago and sold >all my Canon T-90 gear. Now of course I wish I hadn't. I've only got an >auto-focus Olympus, but will be using it wherever I can. The Anatra is >still hanging from the ceiling I believe so I don't know how much will be >visible, but the Knoller seems to be easily approachable. >If it comes off, you will be welcome to whatever I get. >Sandy Bummer that. The Knoller may be approachable, but it was literally pillaged during its "restoration" several years ago. The machine had sat around for the better part of 70+ years in its original finish, you know the multi-color hexagons. The folks in Prague thought they should gussy it up a bit so they stripped off its fabric, removed the original engine and replaced it with another that didn't quite fit the old cowling panels, but oh never mind, they then painted the new fabric with multi colored hexes that didn't match the pattern they stripped off. The colour photos in a Windsock from a couple of years back make it look as though they used house paint to put the new colors on. In spite of being a subscriber to Windsock, WW I Aero and C&CI during the years this machine was under "restoration", I saw no notice in the press of what was being done. I have to imagine the museum staff was working in an utter vacuum with regard to outside information. Rant mode off, sorry about that. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:36:42 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Prague visit Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Charles Hart wrote: > > >Ivan (or anybody else) > >I'm trying to arrange a weekend break to Prague with my wife in March. > >I'd like to visit the Museum to see the Knoller and Anatra etc, but is > >there anything else I should try to fit in? > >Also are there any good modelshops you could recommend in central Praha? > >Many thanks > >Sandy There are two air museums in Prague that are worth seeing. The technical museum in in central Prague and has the Anatra and Knoller. There is also an extensive museum on the outskirts of the city at an airforce base. It is well worth seeing. peter > > If the Anatra is still blessed with being un-vandalized by the > "restorers" at the Prague Museum, I'd love some color photos of this > machine. I'll gladly pay for the processing. > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:26:08 -0600 From: Robert Godfrey To: wwi Subject: Tiny monofilament line Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980227122608.007c4100@pop.sound.net> Greetings Group, I recently got materials and detailed info from Steve Perry on how to build a generic 1:72 WWI wicker seat. It involves weaving stretched sprue which I'll try (a-g-a-i-n), but I've never had much luck with sprue. I seem to remember when we were in one of our "rigging periods," someone mentioned extremely fine (2-6 mil) monofilament line. My obvious interest in this right now is to try to substitute it for stretched sprue in attempting to build Steven's seats. Does anyone know where I can get some of such fine line? I do want to thank Steve for his kind words on my photo web site and for sending me the seat stuff. Just in case someone missed the photo site and want to see it, it is: http://home.unicom.net/~tgodfrey/dadspics/ww1planes.html I thank the others who saw it and seemed to like it too. Just in case you want to try to build a 1:72 wicker seat, you might ask Steven Perry for a copy of his "wicker seat-building handout." It even details how to stretch sprue for the other masochists among you who enjoy pain and suffering. Regards, Bob G. ___________________ RG-KC-US rgodfrey@sound.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:55:16 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com (Steven M Perry) To: wwi Subject: Zep Info Message-ID: <19980227.135553.11078.1.perrysm@juno.com> The're still at it. Check out www.zeppelin-nt.com sp _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:04:30 -0600 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Tiny monofilament line Message-ID: <199802271910.NAA23961@mail.primary.net> I buy mine (.005) fishing line from a local fly fishing store for $3.95. They keep wanting to know what and where I'm fishing, I guess I could answer in the general area of northern France and I'm working on Bloaters (B.E.8) and Whales (Roland C.II) and quickly back out of the shop. BTW the line I use is made by Dai-Riki size 6X (.005") and a roll contains 30 meters of line - probably just enough for a Short 184 in 1/48th. ---------- > From: Robert Godfrey > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Tiny monofilament line > Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 12:52 PM > > Greetings Group, > > I recently got materials and detailed info from Steve Perry on how to build > a generic 1:72 WWI wicker seat. It involves weaving stretched sprue which > I'll try (a-g-a-i-n), but I've never had much luck with sprue. > > I seem to remember when we were in one of our "rigging periods," someone > mentioned extremely fine (2-6 mil) monofilament line. My obvious interest > in this right now is to try to substitute it for stretched sprue in > attempting to build Steven's seats. Does anyone know where I can get some > of such fine line? > > I do want to thank Steve for his kind words on my photo web site and for > sending me the seat stuff. Just in case someone missed the photo site and > want to see it, it is: > http://home.unicom.net/~tgodfrey/dadspics/ww1planes.html > > I thank the others who saw it and seemed to like it too. > > Just in case you want to try to build a 1:72 wicker seat, you might ask > Steven Perry for a copy of his "wicker seat-building handout." It even > details how to stretch sprue for the other masochists among you who enjoy > pain and suffering. > > Regards, > > Bob G. > > ___________________ > RG-KC-US > rgodfrey@sound.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:15:36 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Tiny monofilament line Message-ID: <34F710D8.2E92@interaccess.com> Robert Godfrey wrote: > > Greetings Group, > > I recently got materials and detailed info from Steve Perry on how to build > a generic 1:72 WWI wicker seat. It involves weaving stretched sprue which > I'll try (a-g-a-i-n), but I've never had much luck with sprue. > > I seem to remember when we were in one of our "rigging periods," someone > mentioned extremely fine (2-6 mil) monofilament line. My obvious interest > in this right now is to try to substitute it for stretched sprue in > attempting to build Steven's seats. Does anyone know where I can get some > of such fine line? > > I do want to thank Steve for his kind words on my photo web site and for > sending me the seat stuff. Just in case someone missed the photo site and > want to see it, it is: > http://home.unicom.net/~tgodfrey/dadspics/ww1planes.html > > I thank the others who saw it and seemed to like it too. > > Just in case you want to try to build a 1:72 wicker seat, you might ask > Steven Perry for a copy of his "wicker seat-building handout." It even > details how to stretch sprue for the other masochists among you who enjoy > pain and suffering. > > Regards, > > Bob G. > > ___________________ > RG-KC-US > rgodfrey@sound.net Go to a fly fishing store - the leader tippet material is great. Also works well for fly fishing. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:22:54 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Tiny monofilament line Message-ID: <01BD4382.D0D3E8C0.panz-meador@vsti.com> two sources you might try are: edmund scientific (fiber optic line), http://www.edsci.com and small parts inc., (800) 220-4242, 8:00 a.m.-6:30 p.m. EST M-F, smlparts@smallparts.com the latter has tons of small parts, wire (down to 5 mil), tubing, miniature tools, materials, etc. hope this helps -----Original Message----- From: Robert Godfrey [SMTP:rgodfrey@sound.net] Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 12:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Tiny monofilament line Greetings Group, I recently got materials and detailed info from Steve Perry on how to build a generic 1:72 WWI wicker seat. It involves weaving stretched sprue which I'll try (a-g-a-i-n), but I've never had much luck with sprue. I seem to remember when we were in one of our "rigging periods," someone mentioned extremely fine (2-6 mil) monofilament line. My obvious interest in this right now is to try to substitute it for stretched sprue in attempting to build Steven's seats. Does anyone know where I can get some of such fine line? I do want to thank Steve for his kind words on my photo web site and for sending me the seat stuff. Just in case someone missed the photo site and want to see it, it is: http://home.unicom.net/~tgodfrey/dadspics/ww1planes.html I thank the others who saw it and seemed to like it too. Just in case you want to try to build a 1:72 wicker seat, you might ask Steven Perry for a copy of his "wicker seat-building handout." It even details how to stretch sprue for the other masochists among you who enjoy pain and suffering. Regards, Bob G. ___________________ RG-KC-US rgodfrey@sound.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:25:49 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Paper model Zep Message-ID: There is a paper Zep. now available in model shops made by a German comp. I have a paper Taube in 1/48 made by the same comp. (The Zep. is small, perhaps a foot long.) Matt Z. On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Charles Duckworth wrote: > Back in the 1970's I bought a paper/cardboard model of a Zepplin at a small > hobby shop in Crown Center in Kansas City, one of the built up kits were on > display and it was a very impressive model. Am not sure today who the > manufacturer was but believe it was a German firm. I also don't recall the > scale but I seem to remember the length was around three feet. > > I know there's at least one company that will makes paper card models and > perhaps this beast is still available. > > BTW, it never got built - too many Airfix/Revell kits got in the way give > it to a friend and am sure he never tackled it either. > > Charlie > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:50:15 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Zep paint Message-ID: <8ee6a765.34f718f9@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-27 11:26:31 EST, you write: << But there are still those rectangular darkish patches on the middle topsides. What are thes for then? Maybe the vents connected directly to the gas bags. Temperature rose, gas expands, out the excess goes through the vents. Maybe the "loose weave areas were for letting gas escape in case there were any punctures in the gas bags? >> Ah, I found it in the Robinson book-those patches WERE for gas venting- starting with L34, fabric chutes were installed to exhaust the gas. Beginning with L42, the entire envelope was tightly doped to reduce skin friction but this led to unequal pressures through the envelope. LZ107 was CAMOUFLAGED! Wierd patches in a couple of different colors! Aha- here it is- Page 377 "the fabric came printed with tiny light blue dots or lines, at first clear doped, later black dope was used on the underside of the ship" Other things I've read indicate that this "light blue" fabric was really more gray and the dots or lines were so tiny and close that it sounded to me like a 720x720 dpi print job! Aluminum colored Zeps didn't appear till after the war. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:50:13 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Circus Colours and Aerodrome Modeller Message-ID: <72cb9166.34f718f7@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-27 08:25:56 EST, you write: << By the way does anyone on the list have 'Aerodrome Modeller'. Was it any good? Does anyone have a list of articles contained therein, so that I can update my database and put the books on my 'wants' list. >> Years ago a cousin on the other side of the US sent me a xerox of a xerox of one item from Aerodrome Moderler- that's my only contact- i'll have to dig it out and give it a look Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:50:15 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Tiny monofilament lineWICKER SEATS Message-ID: <317a6766.34f718fa@aol.com> I gave up a long time ago trying to weave wicker seats.I start with a patch of old nylon stocking( it doesn't fuzz up when painted), about 2"x2", then I stretch it out with insect pins on a piece of balsa wood, the pins at an angle to suspend the fabric OVER the wood ( don't want the nylon sticking to the wood block)adjusting the tension till all the strands are lined up end even, then I paint the patch with several coats of craft acrylic. This stiffens the nylon fabric, and when the pins are removed, the paint prevents the mess from sproinging back to it's original size.You now have "wicker" stock to work with- cut this stuff like any other seat material to form the back, bottom or whatever ! Vary the tension and spacing in the pinning process to adjust for scale.Also the number of coats can determine the gauge of the "cane". The heavier stuff in the toe and top works well for 1/32 or larger. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:50:13 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Zep paint Message-ID: <4af03565.34f718f8@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-27 10:59:00 EST, you write: << Didn't zeppelin envelopes have vents built into them to relieve hydrogen build up ? This makes the explanation of unpainted covering to "vent" excess hydrogen a little suspect to me. >> Actually, I believe ( I'll have to check) I got the info about undoped fabric panels from Zeppelin in Combat by Douglas Robinson- anybody considering a Zep model should not even day dream about it without this book- full of photos, drawings, charts and great writing. It's expensive but if you're gonna buyild a Zep, you gotta be nuts anyway! Robert (who has a 1/240 Zep frame stashed in the closet) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:16:41 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Au secours! Message-ID: Dear Gerry: I don't know if its too late for you to try this, But: when library books come back wet, they are sometimes placed in the freezer compartment of the staff room refrigerator and allowed to sit for several days. Freezing helps to get the moisture out of the pages of the book, and also helps to prevent mildew from setting in, keeps the pages from sticking together, and cuts down on the wavy-page effect that so often follows when a book gets dowsed. Of course, in your case you'll need a big freezer, but if you have one available, it can't hurt to try this technique. Good luck to you! regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Gerald P. McOsker wrote: > Her ladyship and I moved to a new, larger, home in late November. Unpacking > has been unending with, of course, the models and literature coming last. > In fact I was waiting for the electrician to put outlets in the basement > before setting up my "work" area. > Last week we had an enormous rainfall that somehow concentrated its entire > effort on squezzing into our basement flooding the same to a depth of > about 6 inches. > > Well- there were some models that got it- plus all the Americal decals- and > most hurtful of all- my Windsocks and Datafiles [ which were tastefully > arranged in binders.] Oh yes- Marty O'Connors book was also washed. > Anyone have any experience in salvaging this type of loss? Is it possible > or do I just chuck it all and get on with it? > > Any advice would be much appreciated. > > Cheers > Gerry > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:55:04 -0800 (PST) From: MCCLURE@skynet.dcs.eis.lmco.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Au secours! Message-ID: <980227125504.20209273@skynet.dcs.eis.lmco.com> I remember reading that when one of Stanford's libraries got flooded they contacted NASA Ames to use their facilities to bring the damaged material up to some simulated high altitude to dry out. Unfortunately, normal folk like us don't have that capability. I heard this past week that some payroll place got flooded and instead of reissuing checks, they popped them into the microwave on the Danish setting to dry them out. Before you try that, find something that is definitely expendable. Kent McClure ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:59:59 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep Message-ID: <199802272159.AA01698@ednet1.orednet.org> Sandy Adam writes: >> I can't find any record that either USS Akron or USS >> Macon ever were in Michigan -........ > >You wouldn't happen to be an Accountant would you Bill? - or a >Taxman?..... " Let me tell you how it will be There's one for you, nineteen for me ' Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman!" :-) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org " There's worser things than marchin' from Umballa to Cawnpore" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:47:11 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Zep paint Message-ID: <199802272247.AA21144@ednet1.orednet.org> Charles writes: -snips- > > It might make more sense to explain the "mottling" on the side of an >airship as a function of multiple, disjunct applications of paint. Think >about it, one zepplin presents a lot of acerage to cover with dope, paint >etc. Not a one day job, perhaps not even a single paint batch job, then >there is the possibility that some poor slob missed a spot, or two. But, the problems of painting the undersides would be every bit as great - the "mottled" area seems confined to the area on the topsides of the Zepps, in the area from about a quarter of the way back from the nose to a quarter of the way forward from the tail and the rest of the Zepp appears a uniform color. The fact that this "mottling" appears in the same location on several zepplins (and never in other locations) would seem to indicate that it is an intentional feature rather than some accidental artifact of sloppy painting. > Didn't zeppelin envelopes have vents built into them to relieve >hydrogen build up ? This makes the explanation of unpainted covering to >"vent" excess hydrogen a little suspect to me. Yes they had vents but the problem, as I understand it was not the intentional venting of hydrogen through the vents (connected to the ballonets by tubes) but rather leakage of hydrogen through the material of the ballonets themselves. The material (goldbeaters' skin?) was not 100% gas tight and allowed some amount of hydrogen to leak out over time. If the hydrogen was trapped inside the outer envelope (and mixed with the air already inside the outer envelope) a potentially explosive mixture could result. Thus, the upper portion of the envelope was constructed to be highly gas permeable to allow the hydrogen to escape from the outer envelope before it could reach explosive concentrations. 'Least, that's how it was explained to me. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org " There's worser things than marchin' from Umballa to Cawnpore" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:21:28 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Message-ID: <01BD43D1.669E05E0@fei1-p10.telepac.pt> Lee wrote: >I am immensly pleased that the tale was enjoyed. and yet I'm sure you weren't half as pleased as I when I read it. I could almost picture it... and Yes, you're right, WHAT A SIGHT... Thanks for sharing it, Lee Um grande abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:26:17 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: A call out to Toko Message-ID: <34F759A9.5610@ricochet.net> DavidL1217 wrote: > > Personally, I would like to see an accurate 1/72 SPAD VII. Me, too, but I'm not holding my breath. I've got a couple Airfix kits, but even these are becoming rare. Curse those washboard wings! Some day I may break down and try to scratch a decent set, but I couldn't say when... Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:32:29 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep Message-ID: <34F75B1D.57C0@ricochet.net> DavidL1217 wrote: > > Third zep? Probably the Los Angeles, a German zep taken as reparations. Sounds like a good JEOPARDY question... "I'll take aviation history for 10, please." "Question: The sister ship of the 1930s aircraft-carrying U.S. Navy dirigibles Macon and Akron" "What was the Shenandoah?" "Correct!" Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:40:03 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Zepp models Message-ID: <34F75CE3.AE8@ricochet.net> > I'm still kicking myself that I didn't snap up one of the Testors > re-issues when I had the chance but $12.95 _was_ a lot for a > kit in the '70's. And $200 is a lot for most of us these days-I just saw this kit at a model swap-meet. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:41:58 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Hand Pump / Air pump Message-ID: <19980227.194159.9022.0.perrysm@juno.com> I've noticed a detail item in many WWI cockpit drawings is labeled as a pump, hand pump or air pump. Used for? thanks Steve Perry No war is "Great", but we all know which one had the Great airplanes! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 912 *********************