WWI Digest 911 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 1/48 Zep by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 2) Re: 1/48 Zep by Bill Bacon 3) Toko and 1/48 by Shane Weier 4) Re: 1/48 Zep by Joey Valenciano 5) Re: A 1/48 Zep by Joey Valenciano 6) Re: Air Enthusiast by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 7) USS Macon by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." 8) Re: 1/48 Zep by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 9) Re: 1/48 Zep by KarrArt 10) Re: Air Enthusiast by hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de 11) Re: 1/48 Zep by "Sandy Adam" 12) Circus Colours by Graham Nash 13) Re: Circus Colours by "Sandy Adam" 14) Re: Circus Colours and Aerodrome Modeller by Graham Nash 15) Au secours! by "Gerald P. McOsker" 16) Attn: Bob Pearson (Email Jam) by silverinfo@czechia.com 17) Prague visit by "Sandy Adam" 18) Re: Au secours! by Joey Valenciano 19) Re: 1/48 Zep by Joey Valenciano 20) Re: Paper model Zep by "Charles Duckworth" 21) Re: Circus Colours by Carlos Valdes 22) Re: Air Enthusiast by "Lee Mensinger" 23) RE: 1/48 ZEP by "Lee Mensinger" 24) Zep paint by Charles Hart 25) book rescue by Charles Hart 26) Re: Prague visit by Charles Hart 27) Re: Zep paint by Joey Valenciano ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:51:15 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep Message-ID: <199802270551.AA13640@ednet1.orednet.org> Lee Mensinger writes >Only slightly off topic. No apologies.. > >As a wee child of about 5 years of age, maybe 6, I lived in a small >Michigan village called Algonac. About 20 miles northward from Selfridge >field. >On a bright day, I remember not the date, I was a short distance outside >the house when Iheard a rumble, like thunder to the south in the general >direction of Detroit. >I saw one of the most awesome sights I have ever beheld and to this day >iot is rich in my memory. From that area of the sky appeared three of >the Giant airships. The Akron and the Macon and I am sorry but I do not >remember the name of the third ship. I'm sorry, but this cannot be. The Akron was destroyed in a crash of the New Jersey coast April 4, 1933; the Macon's first flight was on April 21, 1933. The two airships were _never_ operational concurrently. Indeed, the USN never had more than two airships in operation simultaneously. USS Shenandoah (ZR 1) was commissioned October, 1923 USS Los Angeles (ZR 3) was commissioned November, 1924 USS Shenandoah (ZR 1) was lost in September of 1925. USS Akron (ZR 4) was commissioned in October, 1931. USS Los Angeles (ZR 3) was decommissioned in June, 1932. USS Akron was lost in April, 1933. USS Macon (ZR 5) was commissioned in June, 1933 and lost February, 1935. (The missing airship, ZR 2, was a British built zeppelin which was lost on trials in England and never delivered to or commissioned by the USN) Except for the period between November, 1924 when USS Los Angeles was commissioned and September, 1925 when USS Shenandoah was lost, and the period between October, 1931 when USS Akron was commissioned and June, 1932 when USS Los Angeles was decommissioned, the USN had only only a single airship in operation. I can't find any record that either USS Akron or USS Macon ever were in Michigan - most of their flying was over water or along the coasts (they were classified as _cruisers_, after all) and their transcontinental trips were all, apparently, via the southern route through Texas. Perhaps what you saw were blimps? Three blimps at low altitude would still be pretty impressive to a six year-old boy. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org " There's worser things than marchin' from Umballa to Cawnpore" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:53:13 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep Message-ID: <34F654C8.388BC70C@netjava.net> Lee, The OLD GEEZERS strike again. Got you beat by 2 1/2 and. live in Texas (where else?). Great story. Could rthe third one have been the Shenendoah? Before the war (WWII), I remember seeing the Hindenberg flying over Boston at several K feet. It was awesome. Man, what you saw must rea;lly been mind blowing. No apologies needed and thanks so much. Cheers, Bill B. Lee Mensinger wrote: > Matthew Zivich wrote: > > > Actually I'd hang my 1/72 Zep. over the fireplace mantel like some > > recently > > stuffed kill. > > > > Matt Z. > > Only slightly off topic. No apologies.. > > As a wee child of about 5 years of age, maybe 6, I lived in a small > Michigan village called Algonac. About 20 miles northward from Selfridge > field. > On a bright day, I remember not the date, I was a short distance outside > the house when Iheard a rumble, like thunder to the south in the general > direction of Detroit. > I saw one of the most awesome sights I have ever beheld and to this day > iot is rich in my memory. From that area of the sky appeared three of > the Giant airships. The Akron and the Macon and I am sorry but I do not > remember the name of the third ship. > > They were about a thousand feet above the ground or slightly more. > Around them swarmed about 12 to 15 P-26A Army Air Corp fighters from > Selfridge and it appeared to be about 4 of the little Hawks. They were > flying not only astride the flight path but climbing up and over the > dirigibles as they moved through the air. The heading was toward the > northeast, About 45 degrees, into Canadian airspace only a few miles > east. > > Gentlemen let me tell you it was truly one of the most awesome things to > witness. > > It is hard to describe except that you will experience the same feeling > as I did if you ever witness the Empire State Building moving through > the sky with the top pointed forward and easterly. > > I have reached 72, almost 73, and to this day nothing has ever buried > itself into my mind to a grater depth. Lee J. Mensinger New > Braunfels, Tx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:01:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Toko and 1/48 Message-ID: <199802270613.QAA24808@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hello all, There has been much recent discussion about the possibility of convincing Toko to build a wish list of 1/72 kits for us. I suspect that Toko has already decided that a niche market exists since... They brought out 1/48 kits first, but no WW1, maybe assuming that the market was too small for both Eduard and them They promise a big list of 1/72 stuff in a market where Eduard doesn't much bother. Personally I think the letter campaign is absolutely the correct thing to do, to make sure they know we want them to continue BUT every one of us who want them to continue releasing kits better go buy at least one of the current kits. Sentiment runs at a poor exchange rate when you take it to the supermarket to put food in the kids mouths... My 1/72 list..... Sopwith Dolphin Sopwith LCT SE-5a Nie-17 Alb D.III Hanriot HD-1 Biff I'll refrain from asking for any 1/48 kits because I feel like *I* never had it so good and reckon we could maybe share the spoils, PLUS while the great God of competition might bring prices down temporarily, it also eats the loser, and we need some variety as well. One other thing. The Toko 1/48 P-63 (yeah, I know, off topic) has been trashed on rec.models.scale. This may mean nothing, since the average WW2 model builder is now used to models which hop out of the box, get dressed and say "G'Day" then motor off to the display case. But maybe if they get a great panning from the wider modelling community they may stick with those of us who actually appreciate them ? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:27:12 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980227142712.00719ba0@philonline.com.ph> >>What colours did he use? What colours would Sowrey's victim, L32 be in? >>Anyone know? > >The article indicates that Hargreaves used an automotive grey >primer (Sikkens 1010) for the overall grey So, these Zeps were NOT silver? >while a combination >of four shades of grey enamel for the "mottled" area on the >upper center portion of the envelope. I've seen photos of zeps w/ this mottled area. Why did they have them? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:17:10 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: A 1/48 Zep Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980227141710.00719ba0@philonline.com.ph> >If anyone is interested, I have some scale drawings from an old magazine. I have drawings from Vol.3 of the Aircraft Archive series. Included w/ the 1/600th scale drawing is a same scale profile of a Be2c (really small!) Well, I plan to draw up a bulkhead on the computer, which I will enlarge to the various bulkhead sizes. >actually scaled them out a few years ago for 1/48th. Thought I could build it >using balsa bulkheads and balsa laminated with a material I can't remember off >hand. Covering would have been aluminum Monocote or something similar. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:10:17 -0600 (CST) From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: Air Enthusiast Message-ID: >Jim Lyzun wrote: > >> mark wrote: >> > >> > >I haven't noticed if this was mentioned but the newest Air >> Enthusiast >> > >(#74) has an article on Russian DH.9a's and Ottoman Turkish >> Fighters. snip >In the US try Squadron Mailorder. They stock the magazine and >distribute thru Military Model Distributors.Squadro Mail Order== >mailorder@squadron.com >Site==== http://www.squadron.com >Telephone orders (972) 242-8663 Physical location of the >warehouse is Carrollton, TX >Mail Order address== Squadron Mail Order > 1115 Crowley Drive > Carrollton, Tx 75011-5010 > >They accept most Charge Cards. I have done business with them for more >than 30 years. Lee J. Mensinger, New Braunfels, TX Thanks Lee, Squadron hasn't had any of the AE mag in the warehouse fo rbetter than 3 years now. They were dropped when they went through the reorginization and changed publishers. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:16:07 -0800 From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Subject: USS Macon Message-ID: At 06:46 PM 2/26/98 -0500, you wrote > >As a wee child of about 5 years of age, >I saw one of the most awesome sights I have ever beheld and to this day >iot is rich in my memory. From that area of the sky appeared three of >the Giant airships. The Akron and the Macon and I am sorry but I do not >remember the name of the third ship. > >I have reached 72, almost 73, and to this day nothing has ever buried >itself into my mind to a grater depth. Lee J. Mensinger New >Braunfels, Tx > The January 1992 issue of National Geographic has an article about the USS Macon and the discovery of it's wreck off the coast of Point Sur, California. The article features an interesting underwater photograph of the remains of three of the Macon's Sparrowhawks. Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:34:45 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep Message-ID: <199802270734.AA18913@ednet1.orednet.org> Joey Valenciano writes: >>while a combination >>of four shades of grey enamel for the "mottled" area on the >>upper center portion of the envelope. >I've seen photos of zeps w/ this mottled area. Why did they have them? The best explaination I've seen of the "mottled area" is that it was an untreated area of the envelope intended to allow any leaking hydrogen gas to "bleed off" and thus not collect inside the envelope. Any significant quantities of hydrogen collecting inside the exterior envelope could, of course, have rather disasterous results - thus, better to allow any leakage from the gas bags to freely exit the envelope and not collect inside. Which makes sense to me but your mileage may differ. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org " There's worser things than marchin' from Umballa to Cawnpore" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:55:22 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep Message-ID: <22a44b68.34f6716c@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-27 01:55:08 EST, you write: << >while a combination >of four shades of grey enamel for the "mottled" area on the >upper center portion of the envelope. I've seen photos of zeps w/ this mottled area. Why did they have them? >> Undoped fabric so excess hydrogen could escape through the weave. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:35:18 +0100 From: hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de To: wwi Subject: Re: Air Enthusiast Message-ID: Air Enthusiast / Keymags have a Website where you can order try http://www.keymags.co.uk/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:56:52 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep Message-ID: <199802270957.JAA06742@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > I can't find any record that either USS Akron or USS > Macon ever were in Michigan -........ You wouldn't happen to be an Accountant would you Bill? - or a Taxman?..... Never mind, Lee, please accept my thanks for your story. It must have made one hell of an impression. (You always find that the smart-asses uncover "new evidence" years later and it then becomes Big News.) My only tenuous link to a Zeppelin story was a few years ago when I lived in Edinburgh and my Grandmother came to stay. She must have been in her late eighties by then. I was in Waverley Station with her one day and said that if we went in one direction we would reach Princes Street. She said she knew which way we had to go as she remembered Edinburgh well from staying there during the War. She said she had had to find her way around during the blackout so developed a good sense of where everything was. I hadn't thought Edinburgh had been visited by the Luftwaffe very often and she said that they came over several nights and caused great confusion. It was only when she said that she remembered a huge crowd standing silently staring upwards at a great silver cigar caught in the searchlights that I realised she was taking about the First World War! Sandy PS (I don't want to know which airship it could or could not have been on which nights.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:35:00 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Circus Colours Message-ID: <199802271133.AA02921@egate2.citicorp.com> I was just browsing the Aeromaster site, and saw a reference to an obscure publication called 'Circus Colours' by Greg Van Wyngarden published circa 1979? Does anyone have this reference, and could provide me with either an original or copy, or advise me if it has appeared in 'Over the Front' in a different guise? Many thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:14:40 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Circus Colours Message-ID: <199802271209.MAA11424@beryl.sol.co.uk> I know the date's wrong but given GVW's involvement, it couldn't be the Albatros "vR's Flying Circus" Fabric Special Nr1 could it? Sandy ---------- > From: Graham Nash > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Circus Colours > Date: 27 February 1998 11:35 > > I was just browsing the Aeromaster site, and saw a reference to an > obscure publication called 'Circus Colours' > by Greg Van Wyngarden published circa 1979? > > Does anyone have this reference, and could provide me with either an > original or copy, or advise me if it has appeared in 'Over the Front' in > a different guise? > > Many thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:58:42 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Circus Colours and Aerodrome Modeller Message-ID: <199802271256.AA04704@egate2.citicorp.com> Sandy Adam wrote: > > I know the date's wrong but given GVW's involvement, it couldn't be the > Albatros "vR's Flying Circus" Fabric Special Nr1 could it? > Sandy > ---------- > > From: Graham Nash > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Circus Colours > > Date: 27 February 1998 11:35 > > > > I was just browsing the Aeromaster site, and saw a reference to an > > obscure publication called 'Circus Colours' > > by Greg Van Wyngarden published circa 1979? Well, Aeromaster cited both Datafile SSW D.III/IV and Profile SSW D.III/D.IV as references. It is hard for me to believe that it would refer to Albatros's 'Flying Circus' book as obscure and as being published circa 1979. >From memory, GvW's articles on JGII in OtF a few years ago, mentioned a small or privately circulated book as a reference, but I'm away from my books at the moment. By the way does anyone on the list have 'Aerodrome Modeller'. Was it any good? Does anyone have a list of articles contained therein, so that I can update my database and put the books on my 'wants' list. Many thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:03:44 -0400 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Au secours! Message-ID: Her ladyship and I moved to a new, larger, home in late November. Unpacking has been unending with, of course, the models and literature coming last. In fact I was waiting for the electrician to put outlets in the basement before setting up my "work" area. Last week we had an enormous rainfall that somehow concentrated its entire effort on squezzing into our basement flooding the same to a depth of about 6 inches. Well- there were some models that got it- plus all the Americal decals- and most hurtful of all- my Windsocks and Datafiles [ which were tastefully arranged in binders.] Oh yes- Marty O'Connors book was also washed. Anyone have any experience in salvaging this type of loss? Is it possible or do I just chuck it all and get on with it? Any advice would be much appreciated. Cheers Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 13:58:07 PST From: silverinfo@czechia.com To: wwi Subject: Attn: Bob Pearson (Email Jam) Message-ID: Bob, I probably sent email with *.bmp attachment several times to your address by incompetent use of my mailer (and jammed my mailbox again with carbon copies, of course). Sorry for any problems caused, I'll try to contact you off list this night. Ivan Subrt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:12:50 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Prague visit Message-ID: <199802271408.OAA16641@beryl.sol.co.uk> ............... > Sorry for any problems caused, I'll try to contact you off > list this night. > > Ivan Subrt > Ivan (or anybody else) I'm trying to arrange a weekend break to Prague with my wife in March. I'd like to visit the Museum to see the Knoller and Anatra etc, but is there anything else I should try to fit in? Also are there any good modelshops you could recommend in central Praha? Many thanks Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:09:22 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Au secours! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980227220922.0071ed68@philonline.com.ph> >Last week we had an enormous rainfall that somehow concentrated its entire >effort on squezzing into our basement flooding the same to a depth of >about 6 inches. > >Well- there were some models that got it- plus all the Americal decals- Ouch! >most hurtful of all- my Windsocks and Datafiles [ which were tastefully >arranged in binders.] Oh yes- Marty O'Connors book was also washed. Ouchier yet! >Anyone have any experience in salvaging this type of loss? Is it possible >or do I just chuck it all and get on with it? Are pages stuck together? If so, maybe re-wet them to separate them and allow to dry w/ the books part open? I've tried this with one water damaged book before, of course I couldn't do anything about the warpage. Any brighter ideas from the list? I have a figure/armour modeling friend w/ many books damaged this way. He doesn't want to try to repair them. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:15:11 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980227221511.0071ed68@philonline.com.ph> >It was only when she said that she remembered a huge crowd standing >silently staring upwards at a great silver cigar caught in the searchlights >that I realised she was taking about the First World War! SILVER cigar - there it is again.... So, were they silver or were they grey? BTW, the film, ZEPPELIN had the zep painted silver. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:47:14 -0600 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Paper model Zep Message-ID: <199802271453.IAA26513@mail.primary.net> Back in the 1970's I bought a paper/cardboard model of a Zepplin at a small hobby shop in Crown Center in Kansas City, one of the built up kits were on display and it was a very impressive model. Am not sure today who the manufacturer was but believe it was a German firm. I also don't recall the scale but I seem to remember the length was around three feet. I know there's at least one company that will makes paper card models and perhaps this beast is still available. BTW, it never got built - too many Airfix/Revell kits got in the way give it to a friend and am sure he never tackled it either. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:57:24 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Circus Colours Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980227145724.006e0d78@conted.swann.gatech.edu> >I was just browsing the Aeromaster site, and saw a reference to an >obscure publication called 'Circus Colours' >by Greg Van Wyngarden published circa 1979? > >Does anyone have this reference, and could provide me with either an >original or copy, or advise me if it has appeared in 'Over the Front' in >a different guise? I'm pretty sure (I'm at work and don't have access to my collection) this is a reference to a series of articles Greg penned for C&C in the late '70s and early '80s. There were 10 in total, all but one or two dealing with the markings and colors of individual jastas (e.g., 14, 18, 23, 40--I don't recall the others off-hand), the other(s) looking at two-seat units. They included both text and line profiles and are very nice references, although in at least one case Greg has corrected himself based on subseqent research. I have, in original or copy format, the whole run, if anyone has any questions about them. I also have copies of several issues of Aerodrome Modeler, which icluded similar articles, some of the iformation eding up finally in Greg's fabric title on JGI. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:05:55 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi, huggins@onramp.net Subject: Re: Air Enthusiast Message-ID: <34F6D653.C1F1E60@wireweb.net> John Huggins wrote: > >Jim Lyzun wrote: > > > >> mark wrote: > >> > > >> > >I haven't noticed if this was mentioned but the newest Air > >> Enthusiast > >> > >(#74) has an article on Russian DH.9a's and Ottoman Turkish > >> Fighters. > snip > > >In the US try Squadron Mailorder. They stock the magazine and > >distribute thru Military Model Distributors.Squadro Mail Order== > >mailorder@squadron.com > >Site==== http://www.squadron.com > >Telephone orders (972) 242-8663 Physical location of the > >warehouse is Carrollton, TX > >Mail Order address== Squadron Mail Order > > 1115 Crowley Drive > > Carrollton, Tx 75011-5010 > > > >They accept most Charge Cards. I have done business with them for > more > >than 30 years. Lee J. Mensinger, New Braunfels, TX > Thanks Lee, > Squadron hasn't had any of the AE mag in the warehouse fo rbetter > than 3 > years now. They were dropped when they went through the > reorginization and > changed publishers. > John I will check with my local (San Antonio) hobby shop (Dibbles) and find out. They save me one every other month and I also forgot they are being sold here in Bookstop stores and Barnes and Noble. I prefer the Hobby since Barnes and Nobles have never done much for me while Dibble's always help or at least try.. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:15:58 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" , "Lee Mensinger" Subject: RE: 1/48 ZEP Message-ID: <34F6D8AE.5C53A732@wireweb.net> AS I mentioned I was a small chil. The years could have been 1930 thru 1933. It was warm so it should have been spring or summer. I believe Icould be wrong about the names but I am not wrong about three airships, the direction of flight, the approximate altitude or the impression it left on me. Have a great time gentlemen. People with more access and a lot fewer years may yet let me know, more precisely, what I saw. I would like that. When you reach almost 73, what will you have for memories? Lee. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:03:32 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Zep paint Message-ID: >Joey Valenciano writes: > >>>while a combination >>>of four shades of grey enamel for the "mottled" area on the >>>upper center portion of the envelope. > >>I've seen photos of zeps w/ this mottled area. Why did they have them? Bill Shatzer replies: >The best explaination I've seen of the "mottled area" is that >it was an untreated area of the envelope intended to allow any >leaking hydrogen gas to "bleed off" and thus not collect inside >the envelope. Any significant quantities of hydrogen collecting >inside the exterior envelope could, of course, have rather >disasterous results - thus, better to allow any leakage from >the gas bags to freely exit the envelope and not collect inside. > >Which makes sense to me but your mileage may differ. > It might make more sense to explain the "mottling" on the side of an airship as a function of multiple, disjunct applications of paint. Think about it, one zepplin presents a lot of acerage to cover with dope, paint etc. Not a one day job, perhaps not even a single paint batch job, then there is the possibility that some poor slob missed a spot, or two. Didn't zeppelin envelopes have vents built into them to relieve hydrogen build up ? This makes the explanation of unpainted covering to "vent" excess hydrogen a little suspect to me. My US$ 0.02 worth. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:11:06 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: book rescue Message-ID: Gerry, Terribly sorry to learn that possibly US$2,000 worth of books should be submerged in your flooded basement. A similar thing happened in Ft. Collins CO last summer, but on a larger scale, they had over 500,000 books in their basement flooded. What the CO library did was have a salvage firm in Texas freeze the wet books, then they were placed in a freeze dryer which removed the frozen water without letting it become liquid again. Unfortunately, this is a process that must be done fairly quickly after the books get wet, they don't do too well staying damp for too long. Perhaps you will need to write Uncle Ray a massive check for the volumes in your collection that are still available. Good Luck, Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu >Her ladyship and I moved to a new, larger, home in late November. Unpacking >has been unending with, of course, the models and literature coming last. >In fact I was waiting for the electrician to put outlets in the basement >before setting up my "work" area. >Last week we had an enormous rainfall that somehow concentrated its entire >effort on squezzing into our basement flooding the same to a depth of >about 6 inches. > >Well- there were some models that got it- plus all the Americal decals- and >most hurtful of all- my Windsocks and Datafiles [ which were tastefully >arranged in binders.] Oh yes- Marty O'Connors book was also washed. >Anyone have any experience in salvaging this type of loss? Is it possible >or do I just chuck it all and get on with it? > >Any advice would be much appreciated. > >Cheers >Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:15:16 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Prague visit Message-ID: >Ivan (or anybody else) >I'm trying to arrange a weekend break to Prague with my wife in March. >I'd like to visit the Museum to see the Knoller and Anatra etc, but is >there anything else I should try to fit in? >Also are there any good modelshops you could recommend in central Praha? >Many thanks >Sandy If the Anatra is still blessed with being un-vandalized by the "restorers" at the Prague Museum, I'd love some color photos of this machine. I'll gladly pay for the processing. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:27:51 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Zep paint Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980228002751.0071d588@philonline.com.ph> >>>>while a combination >>>>of four shades of grey enamel for the "mottled" area on the >>>>upper center portion of the envelope. >> >>>I've seen photos of zeps w/ this mottled area. Why did they have them? > >Bill Shatzer replies: > >>The best explaination I've seen of the "mottled area" is that >>it was an untreated area of the envelope intended to allow any >>leaking hydrogen gas to "bleed off" and thus not collect inside >>the envelope. Any significant quantities of hydrogen collecting >>inside the exterior envelope could, of course, have rather >>disasterous results - thus, better to allow any leakage from >>the gas bags to freely exit the envelope and not collect inside. >> >>Which makes sense to me but your mileage may differ. >> > > It might make more sense to explain the "mottling" on the side of an >airship as a function of multiple, disjunct applications of paint. Think >about it, one zepplin presents a lot of acerage to cover with dope, paint >etc. Not a one day job, perhaps not even a single paint batch job, then >there is the possibility that some poor slob missed a spot, or two. Excellent comment! But again, were they silver or grey? (I don't want this to sound like a Udet licorice or peppermint choice but...) > Didn't zeppelin envelopes have vents built into them to relieve >hydrogen build up ? Yes. >This makes the explanation of unpainted covering to >"vent" excess hydrogen a little suspect to me. But there are still those rectangular darkish patches on the middle topsides. What are thes for then? Maybe the vents connected directly to the gas bags. Temperature rose, gas expands, out the excess goes through the vents. Maybe the "loose weave areas were for letting gas escape in case there were any punctures in the gas bags? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 911 *********************