WWI Digest 910

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: A call out to Toko
	by Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
  2) RE: A call out to Toko
	by Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
  3) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
  4) Re: AMT Hindenburg
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
  5) RE: A call out to Toko
	by Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
  6) RE: A call out to Toko
	by Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
  7) Re: A call out to Toko
	by GRBroman <GRBroman@aol.com>
  8) Re: A call out to Toko
	by knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen)
  9) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
 10) Re: A call out to Toko
	by "Patrick Gilmore" <petrov26@novagate.com>
 11) VCR Alert
	by "John Glaser" <JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net>
 12) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
 13) Re: A call out to Toko
	by DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
 14) Re: A call out to Toko
	by DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
 15) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 16) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
 17) Re: A call out to Toko
	by Kenneth Hagerup <hagerupk@prodigy.net>
 18) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 19) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 20) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
 21) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by perrysm@juno.com
 22) Re: A call out to Toko
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 23) Re: A call out to Toko
	by mbittner@juno.com
 24) Re: A 1/48 Zep
	by REwing <REwing@aol.com>
 25) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
 26) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
 27) RE: Zepp models and off-topic
	by Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
 28) Re: 1/48 Zep
	by Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
 29) Re: Zepp models
	by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
 30) RE: 1/48 ZEP
	by "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
 31) Re: A 1/48 Zep
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:37:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980226173451.8776A-100000@tardis.svsu.edu>

A 1/48th Zep. would be fine, but I'd have to build a dog house in the 
back yard to keep it in.  (Say, how come no one else is pushing for more 
Yank planes, anyway?)

Matt Z.


On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 mbittner@juno.com wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:44:00 -0500 Matthew Zivich <mzivich@svsu.edu>
> writes:
> 
> >If it's to be in 1/48: Thomas Morse Scout, Lusacs, 
> >                 1/72: Zep. airship.
> 
> Cripes.  Here I want a serious request, and someone wants a Zeppelin.
> <chuckle>  How about if we ask Toko to do a Zeppelin in 1/48th?  Why go
> against your scale? <chuckle> ROTFL!!!
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> Matt Bittner
> 
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:48:12 +1000
From: Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
To: wwi
Subject: RE: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <199802262258.IAA21867@mimmon.mim.com.au>

Matt says:

>A 1/48th Zep. would be fine, but I'd have to build a dog house in the 
>back yard to keep it in.  (Say, how come no one else is pushing for
more 
>Yank planes, anyway?)


What *ALL* of them?

Hardly comprises a list though dos it?  And who'd want them?

Regards

Shane

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:50:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980226174903.8776C-100000@tardis.svsu.edu>


Actually I'd hang my 1/72 Zep. over the fireplace mantel like some recently 
stuffed kill.

Matt Z.

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:04:13 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: AMT Hindenburg
Message-ID: <48f868cb.34f5f4ef@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-02-26 17:17:48 EST, you write:

<< Ralph also said Revell Germany had an airship kit that would be released,
 but he wasn't sure when.
 
 Steve Perry >>
It's been out for quite awhile- my son ordered one from Squadron, must be year
and a half ago- neat little kit.I've heard that it's not an original Revell -
maybe AMT?Anyway- it's in 1/720 and over a foot long.Conversion to WW I ship
would be an exrcise in insanity- the shape is wrong and there are far too many
stringers.

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:06:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: RE: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980226180533.8776E-100000@tardis.svsu.edu>

Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes!

Matt Z

On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Shane Weier wrote:

> Matt says:
> 
> >A 1/48th Zep. would be fine, but I'd have to build a dog house in the 
> >back yard to keep it in.  (Say, how come no one else is pushing for
> more 
> >Yank planes, anyway?)
> 
> 
> What *ALL* of them?
> 
> Hardly comprises a list though dos it?  And who'd want them?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Shane
> 

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:28:10 +1000
From: Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
To: wwi
Subject: RE: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <199802262339.JAA22419@mimmon.mim.com.au>

Matt Z says:



>Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes!

After my rude denunciation of the idea of asking Toko for US aircraft
thus:

> > 
> > What *ALL* of them?
> > 
> > Hardly comprises a list though does it?  And who'd want them?
> > 
> 
Not getting at any one (or any nation) but being ill with flu and extra
bolshy as a result it occurs to me that it'd be nice to get *good* kits
of the common aircraft before we start in on planes that never got to
the front.

And another thing.....

It also occurs to me that if I want to build something *exotic* for a
contest it should be a Camel, or SE-5a, (maybe even a Nieuport), but
not an Albatros ,or Fokker which are yawningly plentiful

Regards

Shane 

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:34:27 EST
From: GRBroman <GRBroman@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <2124c6fc.34f5fc06@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-02-26 11:27:26 EST, you write:

<< Bob Horton once brought a 1/48 profile drawing of LZ-16 to the Midwest C&C
 meeting. The thing was about 15 feet long! But if you want to see a 1/48
 actual Zep model, the USAF Museum has LZ-1 in the Early Years gallery. Now
 *that's* balloon scale   :-)  >>


The really frightening thing about Bob is that he may very well build it.  We
have machine shops at the Arsenal that are not as well equipped as his
basement :)  Glen

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:38:01 +0100 (MET)
From: knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <199802262338.AAA06777@login.eunet.no>

>Okay, you builders of the One True Scale.  We need to come up with some
>way (maybe through Ivan?) of contacting Toko and let them know (a) thanks
>for the wonderful WW1 kits, and (b) here are some more you should think
>about.
>Which has me thinking:  what would you request from Toko if you had the
chance?  

>From my personal point of view:
Bristol F2b Fighter - This Airfix kit was state of the art 40 years ago.
Avro 504K           - ditto
Hanriot HD.1  - Nice little fighter with potential for colourful markings.
BE2e          - Feed the Fokkers and Albatrosses - other versions welcome as
well.
Hannover CL.V - Quite different from the CL.III, a nice looking plane.
Etrich Taube  - Maybe better as a vacuform.
Gotha G.IV/V  - Matt, you are not the only dreamer.

                                  Eders
                                Knut Erik

>Nieuport 17
>Albatros D.III (with both wings, or a separate photoetch radiator)
>SPAD 7
>Albatros D.V
>Albatros C.III
>any other Albatros double seater
>Fokker D.VII
>Sopwith Camel (with parts to make both versions)
>Gotha G.IV (hey, we're dreaming here, aren't we? :-))
>SPAD 13



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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:43:21 -0600
From: "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
To: wwi, "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <34F5FE19.5E74553A@wireweb.net>

Matthew Zivich wrote:

> Actually I'd hang my 1/72 Zep. over the fireplace mantel like some
> recently
> stuffed kill.
>
> Matt Z.

Only slightly off topic.  No apologies..

As a wee child of about 5 years of age, maybe 6, I lived in a small
Michigan village called Algonac. About 20 miles northward from Selfridge
field.
On a bright day, I remember not the date, I was a short distance outside
the house when Iheard a rumble, like thunder to the south in the general
direction of Detroit.
I saw one of the most awesome sights I have ever beheld and to this day
iot is rich in my memory.  From that area of the sky appeared three of
the Giant airships. The Akron and the Macon and I am sorry but I do not
remember the name of the third ship.

They were about a thousand feet above the ground or slightly more.
Around them swarmed about 12 to 15 P-26A Army Air Corp fighters from
Selfridge and it appeared to be about 4 of the little Hawks.  They were
flying not only astride the flight path but climbing up and over the
dirigibles as they moved through the air.  The heading was toward the
northeast, About 45 degrees, into Canadian airspace only a few miles
east.

Gentlemen let me tell you it was truly one of the most awesome things to
witness.

It is hard to describe except that you will experience the same feeling
as I did if you ever witness the Empire State Building moving through
the sky with the top pointed forward and easterly.

I have reached 72, almost 73, and to this day nothing has ever buried
itself into my mind to a grater depth.  Lee J. Mensinger   New
Braunfels, Tx



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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:44:16 -0500
From: "Patrick Gilmore" <petrov26@novagate.com>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <199802262346.SAA18194@sulaco.novagate.net>

> A 1/48th Zep. would be fine, but I'd have to build a dog house in the 
> back yard to keep it in.  (Say, how come no one else is pushing for more 
> Yank planes, anyway?)
> 

Well this isn't a "Yank plane" but it was used by the US - a 1/48th scale
Breguet 14. I know there was a Aurora kit of this put out ages ago, but a
new accurate version would be nice. A Salmson 2A2 would be nice as well
though I have ordered the Czechmaster 1/48th Salmson from Aviation Usk. I
have no idea on the quality of this kit, but the 1/72nd version by
Czechmasters was quite good. Given the delivery time on these kits I figure
Blue Max or Eduard could design, tool and produce the same subject by the
time I see the Czech kit.
Patrick Gilmore

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:03:24 -0600
From: "John Glaser" <JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net>
To: "World War 1 Mail List" <wwi>
Subject: VCR Alert
Message-ID: <19980227010812.AAA22186@johng>

>From The Learning Channel on line program guide:

Great Mysteries & Myths (hr versions)
Death of the Red Baron/Mata Hari 
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Who was responsible for killing the ace pilot, the Red Baron. Before age 26
he'd shot down 80 allied pilots during WWI. Later: Mata Hari--young erotic
dancer or German agent? 

<Picture: dotline>Air Time(s) Eastern Time: 

TLC - 26 Feb 1998 - 09:00 PM


TLC - 26 Feb 1998 - 12:00 AM


- John

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:23:00 +0000
From: "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <34F6B024.26F0@webtime.com.au>

Matthew Zivich wrote:
> 
> Actually I'd hang my 1/72 Zep. over the fireplace mantel like some recently
> stuffed kill.
> 
> Matt Z.

Complete with Nieuport flying overhead and flechette wounds ???

DAVID

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:18:16 EST
From: DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <1a76fa19.34f6226a@aol.com>

We should see a new 1/48 Bregeut from Hi-Tech.

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:19:12 EST
From: DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <92c3a7eb.34f622a3@aol.com>

Personally, I would like to see an accurate 1/72 SPAD VII.

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:29:03 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <02290315206222@KAIEN.COM>


Lee,

A great story - no apologies necessary.

regards,
      Bob Pearson

----------
> From: "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:46:11 -0500
> 
> Matthew Zivich wrote:
> 
> > Actually I'd hang my 1/72 Zep. over the fireplace mantel like some
> > recently
> > stuffed kill.
> >
> > Matt Z.
> 
> Only slightly off topic.  No apologies..
> 
> As a wee child of about 5 years of age, maybe 6, I lived in a small
> Michigan village called Algonac. About 20 miles northward from Selfridge
> field.
> On a bright day, I remember not the date, I was a short distance outside
> the house when Iheard a rumble, like thunder to the south in the general
> direction of Detroit.
> I saw one of the most awesome sights I have ever beheld and to this day
> iot is rich in my memory.  From that area of the sky appeared three of
> the Giant airships. The Akron and the Macon and I am sorry but I do not
> remember the name of the third ship.
> 
> They were about a thousand feet above the ground or slightly more.
> Around them swarmed about 12 to 15 P-26A Army Air Corp fighters from
> Selfridge and it appeared to be about 4 of the little Hawks.  They were
> flying not only astride the flight path but climbing up and over the
> dirigibles as they moved through the air.  The heading was toward the
> northeast, About 45 degrees, into Canadian airspace only a few miles
> east.
> 
> Gentlemen let me tell you it was truly one of the most awesome things to
> witness.
> 
> It is hard to describe except that you will experience the same feeling
> as I did if you ever witness the Empire State Building moving through
> the sky with the top pointed forward and easterly.
> 
> I have reached 72, almost 73, and to this day nothing has ever buried
> itself into my mind to a grater depth.  Lee J. Mensinger   New
> Braunfels, Tx
> 
> 


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:30:45 EST
From: DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <c6e7bb1d.34f62557@aol.com>

Third zep?  Probably the Los Angeles, a German zep taken as reparations.

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:32:46 -0600
From: Kenneth Hagerup <hagerupk@prodigy.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <34F625CE.2373@prodigy.net>

Here's my list:

SE5a			No currently available kit
Albatros D.I/II		No good kit at all
Albatros D.III		Lots of colorful schemes
Albatros D.V		Ditto
SPAD VII		The Airfix kit is long overdue for replacement
F2B			Ditto
Gotha			Any type!
DH.2			The Revell kit is hard to find and crude

Ken

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:45:58 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <88d6e902.34f628e8@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-02-26 21:31:36 EST, you write:

<< Probably the Los Angeles, a German zep taken as reparations. >>

Was it taken or built as reparations? I know it amounts to about the same
thing, but just the same my memory needs whacking!
Robert

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:45:57 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <a0191fde.34f628e7@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-02-26 18:43:37 EST, you write:

<< Only slightly off topic.  No apologies..
 ...............
 I saw one of the most awesome sights I have ever beheld and to this day
 iot is rich in my memory.  From that area of the sky appeared three of
 the Giant airships. The Akron and the Macon and I am sorry but I do not
 remember the name of the third ship......
 Gentlemen let me tell you it was truly one of the most awesome things to
 witness........
 
 It is hard to describe except that you will experience the same feeling
 as I did if you ever witness the Empire State Building moving through
 the sky with the top pointed forward and easterly.
 
 I have reached 72, almost 73, and to this day nothing has ever buried
 itself into my mind to a grater depth.  Lee J. Mensinger   New
 Braunfels, Tx >>

Damn right no apologies needed! Great story!
Robert
 
 
 
 

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:12:30 -0500
From: Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <34F4EBAE.3086@conted.gatech.edu>

> Lee,
> 
> A great story - no apologies necessary.


	I'll second that, Bob.
			Carlos

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:20:00 -0500
From: perrysm@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <19980226.202001.3974.3.perrysm@juno.com>

Lee:
Thanks for sharing that story with us. I just called my stepfather and
read it to him. He recalls seeing one, either Akron or Macon, as a boy in
Richmond, Va. and loved your story.  I guess seeing the Met Life blimp
putzing about ain't even close.

thanks again
sp



On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:46:11 -0500 "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
writes:
>Matthew Zivich wrote:
>
>> Actually I'd hang my 1/72 Zep. over the fireplace mantel like some
>> recently
>> stuffed kill.
>>
>> Matt Z.
>
>Only slightly off topic.  No apologies..
>
>As a wee child of about 5 years of age, maybe 6, I lived in a small
>Michigan village called Algonac. About 20 miles northward from 
>Selfridge
>field.
>On a bright day, I remember not the date, I was a short distance 
>outside
>the house when Iheard a rumble, like thunder to the south in the 
>general
>direction of Detroit.
>I saw one of the most awesome sights I have ever beheld and to this 
>day
>iot is rich in my memory.  From that area of the sky appeared three of
>the Giant airships. The Akron and the Macon and I am sorry but I do 
>not
>remember the name of the third ship.
>
>They were about a thousand feet above the ground or slightly more.
>Around them swarmed about 12 to 15 P-26A Army Air Corp fighters from
>Selfridge and it appeared to be about 4 of the little Hawks.  They 
>were
>flying not only astride the flight path but climbing up and over the
>dirigibles as they moved through the air.  The heading was toward the
>northeast, About 45 degrees, into Canadian airspace only a few miles
>east.
>
>Gentlemen let me tell you it was truly one of the most awesome things 
>to
>witness.
>
>It is hard to describe except that you will experience the same 
>feeling
>as I did if you ever witness the Empire State Building moving through
>the sky with the top pointed forward and easterly.
>
>I have reached 72, almost 73, and to this day nothing has ever buried
>itself into my mind to a grater depth.  Lee J. Mensinger   New
>Braunfels, Tx
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:59:40 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <717069e5.34f62c1e@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-02-25 22:03:16 EST, you write:

<< Cripes.  Here I want a serious request, and someone wants a Zeppelin.
 <chuckle>  How about if we ask Toko to do a Zeppelin in 1/48th?  Why go
 against your scale? <chuckle> ROTFL!!!
 
 :-)
 
 
 Matt Bittner
 
 Hey Matt- yeah I know your call for a communique to Toko drifted off into
Zeppelinoid flights of fancy, but yeah- good idea.Maybe if we let more
companies know when they've done something good, we might all be better off.In
this case with Toko probably being a small, reletively new outfit, you guys'
lists might actually go somewhere! I read somewhere that Monogram starts
paying attention to requests if they get more than 25 letters about a subject-
only the start of a potential new kit, but still, if Monogram lumbers into
some kind of action with only 25, maybe Toko positively explodes into action.
 Humans are so apt to complain when things go wrong- let folks know when
they've got it right!
Robert

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:59:49 -0600
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <19980226.211510.14238.0.mbittner@juno.com>

On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:32:18 -0500 Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
writes:

>It also occurs to me that if I want to build something *exotic* for a
>contest it should be a Camel, or SE-5a, (maybe even a Nieuport), but
>not an Albatros ,or Fokker which are yawningly plentiful

Definitely a Nieuport.  Oh, most definitely! :-)


Matt Bittner

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:37:28 EST
From: REwing <REwing@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <24a4c586.34f634fa@aol.com>



<< Dear Lads: Okay, in general terms without consulting ref's for the exact
 dimensions and scaling them down: Just how big WOULD a 1/48 Zeppelin be?
                                              I am curious, Patrick>>
 
If anyone is interested, I have some scale drawings from an old magazine.  I
actually scaled them out a few years ago for 1/48th.  Thought I could build it
using balsa bulkheads and balsa laminated with a material I can't remember off
hand.  Covering would have been aluminum Monocote or something similar.
Project never got off the ground. <sigh> 
-Rick- 

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:06:51 EST
From: DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <8ad4d2b8.34f63bdd@aol.com>

It was built in the 1920's.  I am corrected

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:40:02 -0800
From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <199802270440.AA06995@ednet1.orednet.org>




Joey writes:

-snips-
>
>What colours did he use? What colours would Sowrey's victim, L32 be in?
>Anyone know?

The article indicates that Hargreaves used an automotive grey
primer (Sikkens 1010) for the overall grey while a combination
of four shades of grey enamel for the "mottled" area on the
upper center portion of the envelope.  No FS 595a equivelents
given but, as I doubt there is much surviving airship fabric to
check colors against, probably anything in the light/medium 
grey range would probably get ya' past the color police.

The later "high climber" zeppelins were sometimes black - either
overall or on the undersurfaces only, I seem to recall.  I think
I recall a photo of L 48 in the black - or at least in what
looked like black.


Cheers and all, Bill

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                 Bill Shatzer  - bshatzer@orednet.org

    " There's worser things than marchin' from Umballa to Cawnpore"

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:51:40 +1100 (EST)
From: Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: RE: Zepp models and off-topic
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9802271545.A27794-0100000@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>



	Charles,

>      Now for another, even further off topic request... Any one out there
> with some decent drawings of the DH 82 A Tiger Moth.  I recently discovered
> no less than three of the Airfix kits in my collection.


	If no-ne else is forthcoming, let me know, and I'll send you a copy
of the drawings I have.


								Cheers,

								Mick.




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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:56:59 +1100 (EST)
From: Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9802271543.B27794-0100000@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>



	Matthew,

> Actually I'd hang my 1/72 Zep. over the fireplace mantel like some recently 
> stuffed kill.

	If you hang it there, I'd be careful of what kind of gas you put 
in it, otherwise you might end up as both of the above 80)


								Cheers,

								Mick.




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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:57:22 -0800
From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Zepp models
Message-ID: <199802270457.AA15667@ednet1.orednet.org>




Charles writes: 



>     Slightly off topic, there was a big post-1918 Zep kit produced by Hawk
>many years ago.  Someone out there with the specifics on this, memory fails
>on this one.

A 1/245 scale kit of the Graf Zeppelin (LZ 127) issued by Hawk in
1957 - 1958 for the then outrageous price of $4.95.  Still, it was
over 3 feet long and came with its own squadron of 1/244 scale
P-26s to fly escort.  The combination of the high price and the
vacuform hull seemed to turn most modelers off as it was a poor
seller and lasted only two years before production ended.

Testors reissued this kit, without the squadron of P-26s in 1976
with the price jumped up to, I think, $12.95.  As a nice touch
and possibly to make up for the missing P-26s, they included
decals for not only the Graf Zeppelin but also for the USS
Los Angeles (ZR 3) - Testors claiming that the Los Angeles was
the same shape as the Graf Zeppelin, only smaller and that the
kit could be built as _either_ a 1/245 Graf Zeppelin _or_ a
1/200 scale USS Los Angeles.  

I'm still kicking myself that I didn't snap up one of the Testors
re-issues when I had the chance but $12.95 _was_ a lot for a
kit in the '70's.

The Hawk/Testors Graf Zeppelin is _not_ the same kit as
either the AMT Hindenberg or Akron/Macon kits although,
probably by coincidence, the AMT dirigible kits first came
out in 1976, the same year as the Testors reissue of the
Graf Zeppelin.  However, the AMT kits were _much_ smaller
scale (1/520) and, unlike the Hawk/Testors kit, were entirely
injection molded.

Cheers and all,


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                 Bill Shatzer  - bshatzer@orednet.org

    " There's worser things than marchin' from Umballa to Cawnpore"

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:39:48 -0600
From: "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi>, "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
Subject: RE: 1/48 ZEP
Message-ID: <34F651A4.B47AFC41@wireweb.net>

I am glad that I was able to relate the viewing of the dirigibles and
perhaps one Zepplin.
I am positive the occassion occured between the years of 1931 and 1933.
It was reported in the Detroit News and the (then) Detroit Free Press.
I seem to recall there was a photograph published also.  In any event
please feel free to check on the story if you wish to pursue a bit of
research.  This is the only time I know of when there was three Airships

aloft on the same trip.
It is possible but I do not recall that it may have been the Graf
Zepplin on a world tour.  I recall it went to South America as well as
the US and Canada. please forgive the 63 to 65 year old memories if the
dates are a bit loose.  But I assure you a check pf the historical facts

will comfirm my story.
I am immensly pleased that the tale was enjoyed.  What better time could

I pass it along than when so many are considering a 1/48th scale model.
God that would be gorgeous if it would really fly.   Not impossible in
this day and age.  Lee




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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:34:24 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980227123424.00725388@philonline.com.ph>


><< Dear Lads: Okay, in general terms without consulting ref's for the exact
> dimensions and scaling them down: Just how big WOULD a 1/48 Zeppelin be?
>                                              I am curious, Patrick
>  >>
>An R Class at 644' would be about 13.5 ' in 1/48, about 1' 8" in diameter

Ya see? ONLY A PUNY 20 INCHES IN DIAMETER.
And, if you slice it up into 4 sections you'd have chunks with an average
length of about 3'4". Although the tail end may have to be a bit longer
than this to accomodate all the rigging, but that would mean the other
segments would be shorter too.

Since I sometimes play percussion, I compare one of one of these sections
to a conga drum. A bit smaller than the drum and a lot lighter.



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Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

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