WWI Digest 909

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Air Enthusiast
	by lothar@televar.com (mark)
  2) Re: A call out to Toko
	by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
  3) Re: A call out to Toko
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
  4) 1/72 Zepps
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
  5) 1/48 Zep
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
  6) Re: A call out to Toko
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
  7) Re: A call out to Toko
	by "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pschwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
  8) Re: Caudron G.3
	by fedders <pfed@saladin.wustl.edu>
  9) Re: Caudron G.3
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 10) Re: A call out to Toko
	by "Bill Ciciora" <wpc@wwa.com>
 11) Zepp models
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
 12) Re: Zepp models
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 13) Re: Air Enthusiast
	by "Jim Lyzun" <aero@baynet.net>
 14) WW1 Daily Diary entries
	by Carlos <chatten@erols.com>
 15) RE: Zepp models
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
 16) RE: Zepp models and off-topic
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
 17) Re: WW1 Daily Diary entries
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 18) Re: A 1/48 Zep 
	by Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us>
 19) Re: Zepp models and off-topic
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 20) Re: A 1/48 Zep
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 21) Re: Zepp models
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 22) Re: A 1/48 Zep
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
 23) Re: A 1/48 Zep 
	by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
 24) Re: A 1/48 Zep 
	by Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
 25) Re: Air Enthusiast
	by "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
 26) AMT Hindenburg
	by perrysm@juno.com

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:20:22 -0800 (PST)
From: lothar@televar.com (mark)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Air Enthusiast
Message-ID: <199802260820.AAA27240@concord.televar.com>

>I haven't noticed if this was mentioned but the newest Air Enthusiast
>(#74) has an article on Russian DH.9a's and Ottoman Turkish Fighters.

Jim and/or anyone else who would know -

How would I go about getting my hands on one of these?  I'm about 100+ miles
from the nearest hobby shop or bookstore.....

Mark


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:23:08 -0800
From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <199802260823.AA19124@ednet1.orednet.org>



>
>>>                 1/72: Zep. airship.
>>
>>Cripes.  Here I want a serious request, and someone wants a Zeppelin.
>><chuckle>  How about if we ask Toko to do a Zeppelin in 1/48th?  Why go
>>against your scale? <chuckle> ROTFL!!!
>
>It would be wrong to request Toko to come out w/ a Zep in 1/48th scale. It
>would be about 13ft. in that scale and too heavy if injection moulded. 
>
>But now that you mention one of my dream projects? How would you guys
>construct a 1/48th Zep?

See the Spring, 1988 issue of Windsock for how Matt Hargreaves
built a 1/72 model of the L-32 Zeppelin.  The techinques could,
no doubt, be scaled up (with some difficulty) to 1/48.

I can make copies of Matt's article available to anyone who has
a serious interest in duplicating this project although be aware
that Mr. Hargreaves required a car body spray booth to paint
this sucker and an specially constructed trailer to transport it.

Still, at over nine feet in length and 13 inches in diameter,
it was a _most_ impressive model! 


>My plans are to cut up the airship longtitudinally (nose, a few center
>sections and tail) into sections that slip onto a central metal/plastic
>pipe. That way it would be easy to store/transport and if you cut the
>sections at the proper positions you wouldn't have to redo the rigging
>every time you put it together.

That is pretty much the way Hargreaves did it - he used a 2 1/2"
PVC pipe for the central support.  But it was permanently assembled -
everything was glued together with no assembly/disassembly possible.

>What materials would I use for the least weight w/ optimum strength?

Hargreaves used 60 thousands sheet plastic for the station rings with
the longitudinal "stringers" out of the same material.  The covering
was a flying model material called "Econokote" which apparently shrinks
down quite nicely when hit with a hairdryer.

The gondolas were vac-formed from sheet styrene over hand carved
wooden male masters.  The fins were construtcted from 1/8"
plexiglas.

>This model would be a real show stopper! Very nice to promote WWI modelling
>as well. Hope that Aeroclub would hurry up w/ their Be2c so I can make it
>into Sowrey's machine.

ANY Zeppelin would be a show stopper - one in 1/48 scale would
probably guarantee ya' a "best in show".  Still, it would be
a formidable undertaking. And there remains the problem of exactly
how you could display it at a show.

I've thought about this a few times and, upon sober reflection,
decided that Zepplin manufacturing was not for me. My Significant
Other would not, for instance, ever concede me the space to
keep a nine-foot long model any place on the premises.

Still, if you've a mind to try this, I wish ya' the best of luck
and if ya' want a copy of Hargreave's Windsock article, let me
know.

Cheers and all,



--
                 Bill Shatzer  - bshatzer@orednet.org

    " There's worser things than marchin' from Umballa to Cawnpore"

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:17:11 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <199802261028.KAA23171@beryl.sol.co.uk>

 
> But now that you mention one of my dream projects? How would you guys
> construct a 1/48th Zep?
> 
> My plans are to cut up the airship longtitudinally (nose, a few center
> sections and tail) into sections that slip onto a central metal/plastic
> pipe. That way it would be easy to store/transport 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!

Easy to store/transport??????? - bragging about that bloody limo again?
Sandy

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:06:56 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: 1/72 Zepps
Message-ID: <199802261102.LAA24402@beryl.sol.co.uk>

> >
> >>>                 1/72: Zep. airship.
> >>
I mentioned before there is a beautiful 1/72 model Zeppelin in the Scottish
Museum of Flight at East Fortune outside Edinburgh. It hangs from the roof
beside a case full of bits from a real one that was brought down locally.
Complete with attacking SE5's.

Problem is you need a space this size (a hangar) to show this size of model
off.

(East Fortune was an anti-Zepp station in WW1 and later the base for the
R101 from which it set off on its record breaking double Atlantic
crossing.)
Sandy

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:35:07 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980226193507.006e7498@philonline.com.ph>

Hi Bill, et al,

>>But now that you mention one of my dream projects? How would you guys
>>construct a 1/48th Zep?
>
>See the Spring, 1988 issue of Windsock for how Matt Hargreaves
>built a 1/72 model of the L-32 Zeppelin.  The techinques could,
>no doubt, be scaled up (with some difficulty) to 1/48.

This article has not entered my sphere of awareness until now...

>I can make copies of Matt's article available to anyone who has
>a serious interest in duplicating this project

Puhleeeeeez!!! Any info that may help me toward this dream project would be
highly appreciated from all who offer.

>although be aware
>that Mr. Hargreaves required a car body spray booth to paint
>this sucker and an specially constructed trailer to transport it.

What colours did he use? What colours would Sowrey's victim, L32 be in?
Anyone know?

>Still, at over nine feet in length and 13 inches in diameter,
>it was a _most_ impressive model! 

I can imagine....

>>What materials would I use for the least weight w/ optimum strength?
>
>Hargreaves used 60 thousands sheet plastic for the station rings with
>the longitudinal "stringers" out of the same material.  The covering
>was a flying model material called "Econokote" which apparently shrinks
>down quite nicely when hit with a hairdryer.

I'd probably opt to use balsa in stead.

>>This model would be a real show stopper! Very nice to promote WWI modelling
>>as well. Hope that Aeroclub would hurry up w/ their Be2c so I can make it
>>into Sowrey's machine.
>
>ANY Zeppelin would be a show stopper - one in 1/48 scale would
>probably guarantee ya' a "best in show".

Most certainly.

> Still, it would be
>a formidable undertaking. And there remains the problem of exactly
>how you could display it at a show.

Hanging from the ceiling of course. The gondolas would preferrably be at
about eye level.

>I've thought about this a few times and, upon sober reflection,
>decided that Zepplin manufacturing was not for me. My Significant
>Other would not, for instance, ever concede me the space to
>keep a nine-foot long model any place on the premises.

But if you slice it up as I plan to do you could probably stand the middle
sections on end and suggest that they'd make good coffee tables.




*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:42:12 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980226194212.006e6880@philonline.com.ph>

>> My plans are to cut up the airship longtitudinally (nose, a few center
>> sections and tail) into sections that slip onto a central metal/plastic
>> pipe. That way it would be easy to store/transport 
>
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>!!!!!
>
>Easy to store/transport??????? - bragging about that bloody limo again?
>Sandy

Well, I think the hovercraft would give a smoother ride for such a delicate
model.

;*)


*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:48:16 +0000
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pschwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <199802261349.HAA15308@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com>

Joey wrote (after getting out of the limo, er....limbo) :-)

> But now that you mention one of my dream projects? How would you guys
> construct a 1/48th Zep?

Outside!!  Reminds me of a story I heard about the actor Larry 
Linville, who was Major Burns on TV's M*A*S*H.  Seems he built a kit 
airplane in his apartment, and couldn't get it through the doors after it was 
completed.  Until they start packing seam filler in 55 gallon drums, I 
won't be attempting a 1/48th Zep.  Oh, but to dream........


Paul A. Schwartzkopf

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:15:03 -0600 (CST)
From: fedders <pfed@saladin.wustl.edu>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Caudron G.3
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980226081443.2343A-100000@saladin.wustl.edu>



On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Joey Valenciano wrote:

> >I am starting the G3.  I am not 
> >real happy but I badly want a 1/48 G3 so this is it.
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> A blow by blow account of your project would really be appreciated (by my
> and hopefully by many others on the list.)

I will try to accomodate you
peter
> 
> 
> *********************************************************************
> 
> Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
> joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
> tel. (632) 921-26-75
> Metro-Manila, Philippines
> 
>             "The more you know, the more you don't know."
> 
> *********************************************************************
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:04:27 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Caudron G.3
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980227000427.00717a38@philonline.com.ph>

>> >I am starting the G3.  I am not 
>> >real happy but I badly want a 1/48 G3 so this is it.
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> A blow by blow account of your project would really be appreciated (by my
>> and hopefully by many others on the list.)
>
>I will try to accomodate you

Superrrrr!

Dying to see Chapter 1.


*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:26:13 -0600
From: "Bill Ciciora" <wpc@wwa.com>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: A call out to Toko
Message-ID: <m0y868Z-000VeyC@hirame.wwa.com>

Matt writes: 

>> How about if we ask Toko to do a Zeppelin in 1/48th?  Why go against
your scale? <chuckle>  ROTFL!!! <<

Bob Horton once brought a 1/48 profile drawing of LZ-16 to the Midwest C&C
meeting. The thing was about 15 feet long! But if you want to see a 1/48
actual Zep model, the USAF Museum has LZ-1 in the Early Years gallery. Now
*that's* balloon scale   :-)


Bill Ciciora

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:36:35 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Zepp models
Message-ID: <l03102803b11b49748c0e@[128.138.153.98]>

Bill Schatzer wrote:
>
>See the Spring, 1988 issue of Windsock for how Matt Hargreaves
>built a 1/72 model of the L-32 Zeppelin.  The techinques could,
>no doubt, be scaled up (with some difficulty) to 1/48.
>
>I can make copies of Matt's article available to anyone who has
>a serious interest in duplicating this project although be aware
>that Mr. Hargreaves required a car body spray booth to paint
>this sucker and an specially constructed trailer to transport it.
>
>Still, at over nine feet in length and 13 inches in diameter,
>it was a _most_ impressive model!
>
     This model was displayed at the 1986 IPMS Nats in Sacramento.  A real
show stopper.  Hargreaves had to haul it all the way down from Seattle or
thereabouts.
Even in 1/144, a Zepplin would make an impressive model, and one that would
more easily be accomodated in most of our homes.  Now we just need a 1/144
Be-2.

     Slightly off topic, there was a big post-1918 Zep kit produced by Hawk
many years ago.  Someone out there with the specifics on this, memory fails
on this one.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu





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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:19:43 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Zepp models
Message-ID: <f4874dcd.34f5a431@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-02-26 11:32:45 EST, you write:

<< Slightly off topic, there was a big post-1918 Zep kit produced by Hawk
 many years ago.  Someone out there with the specifics on this, memory fails
 on this one.
 
 Charles >>
I forget whether it was the Graf Zeppelin or Hindenburg, but it was two big
vacuum formed shells with injection detail, and in at least one issue, came
with a squadron of P-26s as escort! I can't remember what scale, but it seems
like the length was around 30", maybe 28, maybe 32
The San Diego AeroSpace museum has a 1/48 WW I Zep, can't remember which one-
it's in a large case- and it has a tiny BE2c sneaking up on it! Very
impressive. First time I saw it, I stood there in rapt awe- my wife walked
over to me, put her arm around me, and quietly whispered in my ear "no", then
walked away.....oh well.....
Robert

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:00:45 -0500
From: "Jim Lyzun" <aero@baynet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Air Enthusiast
Message-ID: <34F5ADCD.52BE@baynet.net>

mark wrote:
> 
> >I haven't noticed if this was mentioned but the newest Air Enthusiast
> >(#74) has an article on Russian DH.9a's and Ottoman Turkish Fighters.
> 
> Jim and/or anyone else who would know -
> 
> How would I go about getting my hands on one of these?  I'm about 100+ miles
> from the nearest hobby shop or bookstore.....
> 
> Mark


Not knowing where you are it's difficult to say but Key Publishing has
an email address ae@keymags.demon.co.uk or subs@keymags.demon.co.uk
which may be able to help you.

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:23:31 -0500
From: Carlos <chatten@erols.com>
To: WW1 Models <wwi>
Subject: WW1 Daily Diary entries
Message-ID: <34F5B323.90E5C7D8@erols.com>

Hello!

I'm new to this great list. Stumbled upon the web page last night and
was overjoyed by it. I just built my first model in 20 years (a simple
little Testors Nieuport 17), and am in love again. 

Does this list still get the daily diary entries? Or did I miss the
boat?...er...plane?


I just started a new WW1 daily diary email list that you're all invited
to join. It started 2 days ago.


I'm reading a book called "IN THE TEETH OF THE WIND" which is a great
first hand account of a british flyer on the front in 1916-1918....
He flys everything from Nieuports to bombers to pushers...it's a really
exceptional book. Below is an excerpt, and how to get the book.

I begged the publisher to allow me to email one diary entry a day to
anyone interested. Anyone interested? They gave me permission. It will
be an ongoing story. This may be a first on the internet! If interested,
email chatten@erols.com, and once I set up an email list, you'll start
getting one email a day. May last a year!


================================================================
Excerpt from "IN THE TEETH OF THE WIND" Squadron Leader CPO Bartlett DSC



7 April, 1917

A Flight holding themselves in readiness for a stunt under army orders.
B and C Flights left at 12:45 pm for a raid on Zeebrugge Mole, escorted
by six Baby Nieuports. All returned around 2:30. Jope had a cylindar
blown off by an HE burst over the target, but, thanks to a strong
following wind, just made the aerodrome, the remains of the cylindar and
piston falling into the cowl on landing and jamming the engine. He was
actually able to use his engine a little at times, the con rod of the
damaged cylindar being shorn through, but the vibration was terrific.
All aircraft were heavily shelled. Our stunt (A Flight) is to bomb the
docks at Ghent. We are due to leave at 3:30 am tomorrow.


[ HE is Heavy Explosive. another excerpt : ]

29 April, 1917

I took up N5150 for a test this morning: climb with 250lb bomb load
resonably good but she needs tuning up, and behaves very queerly near
the ground. Sands landed a Short on the CO's office at Cloudekerque 
this morning, ripping off the roof and completely wrecking the machine.
The CO was fortunately out.

[ note 'Short' - the Short bomber landplane ]


------------------------------------------------------------------
The book :

IN THE TEETH OF THE WIND: Memoir of the Royal Naval Air Service in the.
By Squadron Leader CPO Bartlett DSC The dawning of aerial warfare is
fully recounted in this dramatic memoir of the first bomber squadron
mission of the Royal Navy Air Service over the Western Front. The author
recounts his own extraordinary 101 missions, including the operation
that very nearly decided the war. 1994. 166 pages. 23 photos. Map.
Index. 61/2"x91/2". ISBN:
1-55750-393-1. List price: hardback $24.95 (USAC) 



- Carlos : chatten@erols.com  
Future Nieuport 11 Pilot
ICQ# 1142918, MAPPC# 1068, EAA# 572117, USUA Club #4
I intend to live forever - so far, so good

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:41:14 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: Zepp models
Message-ID: <01BD42B3.D42C63A0.panz-meador@vsti.com>

i think you guys are talking about the (AMT?) model of the navy's 
akron/macon aircraft carriers (remember, they carried a squadron of little 
curtis bipes around in them.  generally, these guys dispensed with a 
wheeled undercarraige, though...

phillip

-----Original Message-----
From:	KarrArt [SMTP:KarrArt@aol.com]
Sent:	Thursday, February 26, 1998 11:26 AM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: Zepp models

In a message dated 98-02-26 11:32:45 EST, you write:

<< Slightly off topic, there was a big post-1918 Zep kit produced by Hawk
 many years ago.  Someone out there with the specifics on this, memory 
fails
 on this one.

 Charles >>
I forget whether it was the Graf Zeppelin or Hindenburg, but it was two big
vacuum formed shells with injection detail, and in at least one issue, came
with a squadron of P-26s as escort! I can't remember what scale, but it 
seems
like the length was around 30", maybe 28, maybe 32
The San Diego AeroSpace museum has a 1/48 WW I Zep, can't remember which 
one-
it's in a large case- and it has a tiny BE2c sneaking up on it! Very
impressive. First time I saw it, I stood there in rapt awe- my wife walked
over to me, put her arm around me, and quietly whispered in my ear "no", 
then
walked away.....oh well.....
Robert


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:01:06 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: RE: Zepp models and off-topic
Message-ID: <l03102804b11b6b8b8e62@[128.138.153.98]>

     No, Robert has it right, there was a Hawk kit in a huge box,
originally released in the 1960's which later became a huge collector's
item.  Naturally, in response to this, Hawk re-issued the kit sometime in
the 1970's.  Any other details would be appreciated.

     Now for another, even further off topic request... Any one out there
with some decent drawings of the DH 82 A Tiger Moth.  I recently discovered
no less than three of the Airfix kits in my collection.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu




>i think you guys are talking about the (AMT?) model of the navy's
>akron/macon aircraft carriers (remember, they carried a squadron of little
>curtis bipes around in them.  generally, these guys dispensed with a
>wheeled undercarraige, though...
>
>phillip
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	KarrArt [SMTP:KarrArt@aol.com]
>Sent:	Thursday, February 26, 1998 11:26 AM
>To:	Multiple recipients of list
>Subject:	Re: Zepp models
>
>In a message dated 98-02-26 11:32:45 EST, you write:
>
><< Slightly off topic, there was a big post-1918 Zep kit produced by Hawk
> many years ago.  Someone out there with the specifics on this, memory
>fails
> on this one.
>
> Charles >>
>I forget whether it was the Graf Zeppelin or Hindenburg, but it was two big
>vacuum formed shells with injection detail, and in at least one issue, came
>with a squadron of P-26s as escort! I can't remember what scale, but it
>seems
>like the length was around 30", maybe 28, maybe 32
>The San Diego AeroSpace museum has a 1/48 WW I Zep, can't remember which
>one-
>it's in a large case- and it has a tiny BE2c sneaking up on it! Very
>impressive. First time I saw it, I stood there in rapt awe- my wife walked
>over to me, put her arm around me, and quietly whispered in my ear "no",
>then
>walked away.....oh well.....
>Robert




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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:14:04 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: WW1 Daily Diary entries
Message-ID: <19140454405053@KAIEN.COM>


Greetings All,

For those experiencing deja-vu, this book was originally published as
"Bomber Pilot 1916-1918", and was recently (well in the last five years)
re-released under the name 'In the Teeth of the Wind'.

I agree with Carlos that it is a great read. 

Regards,
        Bob Pearson

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> From: Carlos <chatten@erols.com>
The book :
> 
> IN THE TEETH OF THE WIND: Memoir of the Royal Naval Air Service in the.
> By Squadron Leader CPO Bartlett DSC The dawning of aerial warfare is
> fully recounted in this dramatic memoir of the first bomber squadron
> mission of the Royal Navy Air Service over the Western Front. The author
> recounts his own extraordinary 101 missions, including the operation
> that very nearly decided the war. 1994. 166 pages. 23 photos. Map.
> Index. 61/2"x91/2". ISBN:
> 1-55750-393-1. List price: hardback $24.95 (USAC) 
> 
> 
> 
> - Carlos : chatten@erols.com  
> Future Nieuport 11 Pilot
> ICQ# 1142918, MAPPC# 1068, EAA# 572117, USUA Club #4
> I intend to live forever - so far, so good


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:53:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: A 1/48 Zep 
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980226125200.27851E-100000@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>

Dear Lads: Okay, in general terms without consulting ref's for the exact
dimensions and scaling them down: Just how big WOULD a 1/48 Zeppelin be?
                                             I am curious, Patrick

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Patrick Padovan
Interlibrary Loan Associate    
             
Timberland Regional Library     Voice:   360-943-5001   
415 Airdustrial Way SW            FAX:   360-586-6838
Olympia, WA  98501-5799        e-mail:   ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:48:04 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Zepp models and off-topic
Message-ID: <2c67fdd7.34f5d50b@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-02-26 13:56:27 EST, you write:

<< Now for another, even further off topic request... Any one out there
 with some decent drawings of the DH 82 A Tiger Moth.  I recently discovered
 no less than three of the Airfix kits in my collection. >>
Yeah- I've a couple of decent sets-one's from the Aircraft Archive series and
the other if from-oh I forget, but it's reletively recent- the last couple of
years. Give me till the beginning of next week and I'll deal with 'em! Right
now my #$#$%^^&&*&^%$$### H-P 0/400 is about 60% complete and I've decided to
ruin my health, go blind and try to finish the thing for a contest THIS
Sunday! I've been going at it steadily every night  (morning) till 3:00A.M.for
the last ten days.
Exhausted Robert
np Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:58:44 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <4c008133.34f5d787@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-02-26 15:49:05 EST, you write:

<< Dear Lads: Okay, in general terms without consulting ref's for the exact
 dimensions and scaling them down: Just how big WOULD a 1/48 Zeppelin be?
                                              I am curious, Patrick
  >>
An R Class at 644' would be about 13.5 ' in 1/48, about 1' 8" in diameter

Back to the 0/400
Robert

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:58:44 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Zepp models
Message-ID: <3e6cf635.34f5d787@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-02-26 13:40:51 EST, you write:

<< i think you guys are talking about the (AMT?) model of the navy's 
 akron/macon aircraft carriers (remember, they carried a squadron of little 
 curtis bipes around in them.  generally, these guys dispensed with a 
 wheeled undercarraige, though...
 
 phillip
  >>
You might be correct about Macon/Akron now that you mention it.But the kit was
a Hawk- did AMT do a reissue at some time?Also- those were P-26s although
maybe there was an issue with someother type- I'll never say never. I remember
seeing the Peashooter sprue and these little dudes really looked like P-26s!
Robert

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:08:22 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A 1/48 Zep
Message-ID: <l03102806b11b89ddacbf@[128.138.153.98]>

>Dear Lads: Okay, in general terms without consulting ref's for the exact
>dimensions and scaling them down: Just how big WOULD a 1/48 Zeppelin be?
>                                             I am curious, Patrick
>

    Well, if a 1/72 Zepp was 9 feet long, the 1/48 version would be half
again as big at 13 feet or so.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu



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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:04:47 -0800
From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A 1/48 Zep 
Message-ID: <199802262104.AA06200@ednet1.orednet.org>



>
>Dear Lads: Okay, in general terms without consulting ref's for the exact
>dimensions and scaling them down: Just how big WOULD a 1/48 Zeppelin be?
>                                             I am curious, Patrick

Short answer:  REALLY big!

Longer answer: if the 1/72 L-32 model was a little over 9 feet 
long, a 1/48 edition of the same Zeppelin would be half again
larger - or something in excess of 13 1/2 feet long.

Cheers and all


--
                 Bill Shatzer  - bshatzer@orednet.org

    " There's worser things than marchin' from Umballa to Cawnpore"

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:11:55 -0400
From: Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: A 1/48 Zep 
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980226171155.00ea551c@pop.true.net>

Hi Patrick

Big enough to fit in your garage

SALUDOS

Alberto

At 03:52 PM 26-02-98 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Lads: Okay, in general terms without consulting ref's for the exact
>dimensions and scaling them down: Just how big WOULD a 1/48 Zeppelin be?
>                                             I am curious, Patrick
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Patrick Padovan
>Interlibrary Loan Associate    
>             
>Timberland Regional Library     Voice:   360-943-5001   
>415 Airdustrial Way SW            FAX:   360-586-6838
>Olympia, WA  98501-5799        e-mail:   ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us
>------------------------------------------------------------------------   
>
>
>


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:52:04 -0600
From: "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
To: wwi, aero@baynet.net, "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
Subject: Re: Air Enthusiast
Message-ID: <34F5E404.9C1BA384@wireweb.net>

Jim Lyzun wrote:

> mark wrote:
> >
> > >I haven't noticed if this was mentioned but the newest Air
> Enthusiast
> > >(#74) has an article on Russian DH.9a's and Ottoman Turkish
> Fighters.
> >
> > Jim and/or anyone else who would know -
> >
> > How would I go about getting my hands on one of these?  I'm about
> 100+ miles
> > from the nearest hobby shop or bookstore.....
> >
> > Mark
>
> Not knowing where you are it's difficult to say but Key Publishing has
>
> an email address ae@keymags.demon.co.uk or subs@keymags.demon.co.uk
> which may be able to help you.

In the US try Squadron Mailorder.  They stock the magazine and
distribute thru Military Model Distributors.Squadro Mail Order==
mailorder@squadron.com
Site====                        http://www.squadron.com
Telephone orders   (972) 242-8663         Physical location of the
warehouse is Carrollton,  TX
Mail Order address== Squadron Mail Order
                                    1115 Crowley Drive
                                     Carrollton, Tx  75011-5010

They accept most Charge Cards.   I have done business with them for more
than 30 years.  Lee J. Mensinger,  New Braunfels, TX


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:31:52 -0500
From: perrysm@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: AMT Hindenburg
Message-ID: <19980226.163218.3974.1.perrysm@juno.com>

FWIIW

Ralph's Hobbies & Collectables in St. Pete had an AMT Hindenburg kit. It
sat around for a while and went a couple of months back for about 20
bucks US. Ralph says he sees the guy who bought it all the time. Anyone
real interested I could try to put you in touch, maybe you could make a
deal.

I don't recall the scale but the box was 2 ft or so long.

Ralph also said Revell Germany had an airship kit that would be released,
but he wasn't sure when.

Steve Perry

No war is "Great", but we all know which one had the Great airplanes!

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