WWI Digest 907 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Veeday double kit info by Charles Hart 2) Engine ID by Brian Nicklas 3) Re: Caudron G.3 by fedders 4) Re: Figures in 1/48? by KarrArt@aol.com 5) Hannover CIIIa by perrysm@juno.com 6) Re: Thanks for the lozenge fabric answers by perrysm@juno.com 7) more lozenge fabric answers by Charles Hart 8) Re: trip to limbo by Patrick Padovan 9) Re: Lozenge fabric question by Matthew Zivich 10) RE: Lozenge fabric question by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 11) Re: Lozenge fabric question by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: trip to limbo by Mick Fauchon 13) Re: Engine ID by DavidL1217@aol.com 14) Re: Veeday double kit info by DavidL1217@aol.com 15) Re: Engine ID by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 16) A call out to Toko by mbittner@juno.com 17) Re: A call out to Toko by Graham Nash 18) Re: A call out to Toko by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 19) Re: A call out to Toko by Suvoroff@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:46:33 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Veeday double kit info Message-ID: The proprietor of both VeeDay and Merlin is one Vagn Espensen, though he will deny that he was ever involved with the former, as will Chris Gannon. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu >On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:42:58 -0500 Michelle and Rory Goodwin > writes: > >>Thanks for your replies. Interesting historical aspect re Chris Gannon & >>Pegasus. > >Wasn't the owner of Merlin also the prior owner of Veeday? I don't know >where I heard this, but was wondering if it was true... > > >Matt Bittner > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 11:38:28 EST From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Engine ID Message-ID: <199802241641.LAA14374@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Trying to id a photo of an inline 6 engine. The engine carries a logo consisting of a rounded "M" atop a "W", both encircled by a "C." The "C" has an arrow-like tip at the top opening point. ( CMW ?) The view of the engine is of the right side, and the logo appears twice on the side of the engine case, one in front, and one behind the manifold. This was captioned in the scrapbook as "spoils of war," indicating that it is a engine from a non-Allied source. Looks very much like a BMW inline 6 cylinder... Any ideas gentlemen? Brian Nicklas National Air and Space Museum Archives Division nasad003@sivm.si.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:07:09 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Sandy Adam wrote: > > .......... > > If I was into this scale, I would get one. However, be aware of the > > cost: in Windsock they go from 37 British pounds upto 55 pounds. Yikes! > > I assume the strange prices are direct currency exchanges from Francs to > Pounds? Or are they any cheaper in France? Michel? (Excuse me - I know you > are not French, but may see adverts in French mags locally for these.) > > Has anybody seen one made, in the flesh, yet? If so do the flat bits look > OK? I would like the Caudron twin but am put off by a) the price and b) 2-D > wings and things. > > Sandy > The Caudron G4 makes the G3 look cheap! However, the model doesn't need to look 2-d. You can put camber in the wings so they are not flat. The stick and pedals can be replaced, etc.. I am starting the G3. I am not real happy but I badly want a 1/48 G3 so this is it. It has some elements of scratch building - at least for me. I plan to cover in plastic sheet, not paper. peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:46:36 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Figures in 1/48? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-24 05:55:03 EST, you write: << I'm just generally irritated at the world at large for it's lack of 1/48 > accessories of all kinds. > Robert Accessories are a real pain in the blot, especially over here. Nobody seems to make them, because nobody seems to take a great interest in O. Bummer! Mick. >> I don't know what the brand name is, but here in the states the model RR shops carry a line of O scale figures that are terribly crude and mis- proportioned.They're molded in rock hard pink styrene and look to be molds from the 1950s.Scaled up, these people would be anything from 5'5" to 7'5" tall! I get them by the bag- they ARE cheap, and I chop 'em into legs, torsos,arms.Most of the heads are loathsomely sucky, but a couple are ok.The same line of farm animals however is great.My Jenny diorama cow is one of these,although I did chop her up and reposition her. Makes me want to do a dio of the famous Jasta 5 lineup showing the Albatri being guared by a lone cow. I've seen some Prieser figures in 1/72 and they do look fine.Next time I do a massive insanity inducing diorama I may have to look into Prieser. Another thing 1/48 modelers should be on the look out for is the 20 Mule Team Borax Cleanser model of (what else?) a borax wagon with 19 mules and a horse.About every 10-15 years, they offer this as a mail order premium. The kit is really fine and has been around at least since the mid-50s.Back then it cost 50 cents plus a box top from their product. I ordered one in the late 70s or early 80s and then it was up to about $5.The mules (and the horse) are well done and the wagon has a lot of possibilties for WW I. I always check the soap and cleanser section of the supermarket.Maybe one day they'll release it again! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:45:10 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Hannover CIIIa Message-ID: <19980224.124511.21502.3.perrysm@juno.com> Just received the Airfix Hannover C.IIIa kit I ordered fron Aviation World. Thanks to whomever posted the notice about the availability of this kit. No fabric texture on this one. Looks to be about mid range of the quality scale for Airfix's 1:72 WWI series. Nice color painting & marking guide printed on the back of the box ala Smer. The machine guns weren't so hot but the Parabellum came with an ammo belt and there are two racks of stick grenades to go on the sides that look good If you don't have this model, you better call Aviation World and get one. S&H was more than 2 kits. Steven Perry No war is "Great", but we all know which one had the Great airplanes! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:50:43 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Thanks for the lozenge fabric answers Message-ID: <19980224.125044.21502.4.perrysm@juno.com> No war is "Great", but we all know which one had the Great airplanes! On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:03:54 -0500 kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) writes: >Steve Perry noted: > >> >> I have a nice 1:72 Revell Fok D.VII. The kit was bought in 1963 or 4 >and >>the details are very crisp. Wing TE taipers to translucence and there >is >>no flash. There is however a very fine fabric trexture. I covered an >>aileron with Americal lozenge hoping to hide it. Toned it way down >but >>the texture is still there >> > > >Sand the texture off the D.VII. I did it to mine, and the model turned >out >really nice. > >Kevin Barrett. > Yeah, y'all right, but I had to try anyway. Now we'll see how much legitimate detail I can manage to leave behind. Thanks again all for the good answers. sp _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:18:45 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: more lozenge fabric answers Message-ID: >I asked my question with an ulterior motive. > > I have a nice 1:72 Revell Fok D.VII. The kit was bought in 1963 or 4 and >the details are very crisp. Wing TE taipers to translucence and there is >no flash. There is however a very fine fabric trexture. I covered an >aileron with Americal lozenge hoping to hide it. Toned it way down but >the texture is still there > > Shane wrote: "I've looked at genuine WW1 fabric from about 1 inch. No >fabric texture. None." I guess the only wiggle room that leaves me is >wiggling sandpaper all over the surface. Looks like several evenings of >that ahead. > >Thanks to all for their answers > >Steve Perry If you want the lozenge decals to stick decently to your Fokker, then you need to put down a base coat of some kind of paint for the decals to stick to. They don't do well on naked plastic. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:08:08 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: trip to limbo Message-ID: Dear Joey: is that "Limbo," or "Limo?" Ciao! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Joey Valenciano wrote: > Hi all, > > Computer to be repaired in a few minutes. > > Entering into limo right now. > > See you later. > > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:27:17 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Lozenge fabric question Message-ID: Concerning fabric texture of scale models it seems that the issue, if I understand it correctly, should not be fabric texture per se, but how it might be differentiated from, say, wood or metal surfaces. The minuscule scales of 1/72 or 1/48 preclude any definition of individualized strands of fabric for anything other than gross hyperbole. But it would make sense to have an overall contrast of sorts, dull vs. gloss or some degree of rough vs. smooth to capture the illusion of hard surfaces and soft surfaces. That's where one's wizardry could come into play transforming ordinary plastic into canvas, wood and metal. Matt Z. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:48:59 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Lozenge fabric question Message-ID: <01BD4144.1B99FCA0.panz-meador@vsti.com> i've always found that surfaces look metallic in nature if you (a) rub a #2 pencil between thumb and forefinger and (b) rub the forefinger (or your particularly dextrous thumb) over the cowling or part to be "metallized" in a non-uniform manner. you don't want to overdo it, or the surface begins to look extremely grimy very quickly, though grime shouldn't be shiny like graphite. real grime can be gotten off your car's engine block and "dry brushed" into engine bays and such. i've used these techniques on ww2 aircraft and armor in my former modeling days. i'd assume they would work equally well on ww1 aircraft and military equipment. phillip -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Zivich [SMTP:mzivich@svsu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 4:31 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Lozenge fabric question Concerning fabric texture of scale models it seems that the issue, if I understand it correctly, should not be fabric texture per se, but how it might be differentiated from, say, wood or metal surfaces. The minuscule scales of 1/72 or 1/48 preclude any definition of individualized strands of fabric for anything other than gross hyperbole. But it would make sense to have an overall contrast of sorts, dull vs. gloss or some degree of rough vs. smooth to capture the illusion of hard surfaces and soft surfaces. That's where one's wizardry could come into play transforming ordinary plastic into canvas, wood and metal. Matt Z. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:50:46 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Lozenge fabric question Message-ID: <633f3bc3.34f34ec8@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-24 17:28:35 EST, you write: << But it would make sense to have an overall contrast of sorts, dull vs. gloss or some degree of rough vs. smooth to capture the illusion of hard surfaces and soft surfaces. That's where one's wizardry could come into play transforming ordinary plastic into canvas, wood and metal. Matt Z. >> THAT'S the fun part. Light does reflect differently off different textures. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:20:47 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: trip to limbo Message-ID: Patrick and Joey, > Dear Joey: is that "Limbo," or "Limo?" If it's "Limo", I'll drink to that! 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:12:26 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Engine ID Message-ID: <66a11f6e.34f38c90@aol.com> Perhaps it's a Maybach. These were used in the airships. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:20:36 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Veeday double kit info Message-ID: Yes, several of the Veeday kits came back as Merlin kits. These were based on Czechmasters, but so are Pegasus, and early Meikraft and Wings Vacs. Very incestuous! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:18:18 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Engine ID Message-ID: <199802250418.AA05424@ednet1.orednet.org> DavidL writes: >Perhaps it's a Maybach. These were used in the airships. Perhaps, but the official name of the Maybach company was Maybach Motorenbau GmbH. Tough to get a "CMW" out of that. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:06:28 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: A call out to Toko Message-ID: <19980225.050628.10742.6.mbittner@juno.com> Okay, you builders of the One True Scale. We need to come up with some way (maybe through Ivan?) of contacting Toko and let them know (a) thanks for the wonderful WW1 kits, and (b) here are some more you should think about. Which has me thinking: what would you request from Toko if you had the chance? Here's my list, in order of personal importance: Nieuport 17 Albatros D.III (with both wings, or a separate photoetch radiator) SPAD 7 Albatros D.V Albatros C.III any other Albatros double seater Fokker D.VII Sopwith Camel (with parts to make both versions) Gotha G.IV (hey, we're dreaming here, aren't we? :-)) SPAD 13 I'm sure there are more, but that's just a start. Anybody willing to start a letter writing campaign? Any luck they will understand English? What says the list? Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:40:45 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: A call out to Toko Message-ID: <199802251139.AA01617@egate2.citicorp.com> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > Okay, you builders of the One True Scale. We need to come up with some > way (maybe through Ivan?) of contacting Toko and let them know (a) thanks > for the wonderful WW1 kits, and (b) here are some more you should think > about. > > Nieuport 17 Definately > Albatros D.III (with both wings, or a separate photoetch radiator) Absolutely > SPAD 7 > Albatros D.V Yes > Albatros C.III Yes, Yes > any other Albatros double seater Oooh > Fokker D.VII Aaaah > Sopwith Camel (with parts to make both versions) Mmmmm. > Gotha G.IV (hey, we're dreaming here, aren't we? :-)) > SPAD 13 [Censored for explicitness] Not forgetting Halberstadt D.II/III/V Fokker D.I/II/III/IV/V (Ok I'm greedy...) Fokker E.IV AEG C.IV Albatros D.I/II > > Anybody willing to start a letter writing campaign? Well, we already have an example of the letter to write on the site 'help promote WW1 etc..', just change Minicraft to Toko and away we go. >Any luck they will understand English? Let's hope so. What says the list? Go man, go! > Matt Bittner > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:44:33 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: A call out to Toko Message-ID: Matt gets ambitious: >Okay, you builders of the One True Scale. We need to come up with some >way (maybe through Ivan?) of contacting Toko and let them know (a) thanks >for the wonderful WW1 kits, and (b) here are some more you should think >about. > >Which has me thinking: what would you request from Toko if you had the >chance? Here's my list, in order of personal importance: > >Nieuport 17 >Albatros D.III (with both wings, or a separate photoetch radiator) >SPAD 7 >Albatros D.V >Albatros C.III >any other Albatros double seater >Fokker D.VII >Sopwith Camel (with parts to make both versions) >Gotha G.IV (hey, we're dreaming here, aren't we? :-)) >SPAD 13 Matt, I'm with you on this one! On the kits you list here, several have been done pretty well and are still available through other manufacturers. I'd like to see the SPAD 7 done again though (with a smooth wing), an FE8, and a BE2e. If a letter campaign starts, provide details and I'll join in. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:19:58 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: A call out to Toko Message-ID: I can't believe nobody has mentioned the Biff. Yours, James ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 907 *********************