WWI Digest 904 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Schneider Trophy Sopwith Tabloid by "Anders Bruun" 2) Re: Lacing by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: AeroMaster Decals by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: Fokker D.VIII by mbittner@juno.com 5) Re: Fokker D.VIII by Bob Pearson 6) RE: Munsell Color Program by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 7) RE: Munsell Color Program by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 8) RE: Fokker D.VIII by Shane Weier 9) Re: Fokker D.VIII by mbittner@juno.com 10) RE: Fokker D.VIII by Shane Weier 11) RE: Fokker D.VIII by Bob Pearson 12) RE: Munsell Color Program by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 13) "...really cool E.V..." by REwing@aol.com 14) RE: Munsell Color Program by Bob Pearson 15) Re: Le Prieur by Mick Fauchon 16) RE: Munsell Color Program by Bob Pearson 17) Thin Blue Line by mbittner@juno.com 18) Re: Thin Blue Line by Bob Pearson 19) Re: Turnbuckle colours by Mick Fauchon 20) Finding hard-to-find kits by "Randy J. Ray" 21) Wicker seat on the way by perrysm@juno.com 22) Re: New member and Udet a/c questions by Joey Valenciano 23) RE: Fokker D.VIII by Joey Valenciano 24) Re: Lacing by Joey Valenciano 25) Re: New kits by Joey Valenciano 26) Re: New kits by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Feb 98 12:21:45 GMT From: "Anders Bruun" Subject: Schneider Trophy Sopwith Tabloid Message-ID: <01bd3f8c$1f9260e0$LocalHost@mhxvlwpn> What was the colour of the markings of the 1914 Schneider Trophy-winning Sopwith Tabloid? Most references say black, but R.S. Hirsch says the "SOPWITH" texts were black and the race numbers blue. From photos, it seems they were definitely not black, but perhaps red or dark blue. Some photos, for example those in the recent "Windsock Mini Datafile 9" appear to show a dark (black?) outline to the markings. Do you know? In that case, please tell me! I have the following references, so you don't need to bother with them: Hirsch: "Schneider Trophy Racers" Windsock Datafile 60 "Sopwith Baby" Windsock Mini Datafile 9 "Sopwith Tabloid" Nexus/MAP Plan Pack No. 2751"Sopwith Tabloid" WW I Aero No 158 Kinert: "Racing Planes & Air Races" Vol. 1 Anders Bruun Leader, IPMS(UK) Air Racing & Record Breaking Aircraft SIG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:43:30 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Lacing Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-21 23:28:21 EST, you write: << I pencil in the stitches and apply a matt coat. Friends have to really look hard and feel, before they can see that it's just all pencil marks. >> sounds good for light colored airplanes but how's it do over dark such as PC10? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:27:18 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: AeroMaster Decals Message-ID: <19980222.134705.14078.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:12:16 -0500 The Shannons writes: >On the hopeful side, one case stood out to me of the Japanese Hinomarus >-- the two earlier sheets were being discontinued, but a latter sheet >has been issued that supplants them. Maybe -- and I have no special >knowledge -- the sheets are being discontinued for revision. Well, I bet they're realing from everybody choosing other "correct" decals over theirs. However, if you're to believe the article in the March '98 FSM, it doesn't matter about the color. Sorry, cynism is high today. I've been working on 1/72nd Le Prieur rockets for the past couple of days. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:56:47 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: <19980222.135648.14078.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:15:46 -0500 Pedro Nuno Soares writes: > Eduard also says that the axle wing should be done in lozenge. > This would be possible but from what I've read it would be more > common to have it painted in green too. Anyone out there with a > way to check this? The scheme I'll be making is for Fokker E.V. > 152/18, Jasta 6, flown by Obl. Loewenhardt of Jasta 10. > (according to the kit's instructions). Hope you don't mind if I chime in here. There's a new series in Windsock that just started in Vol 14 No 1 called "Decor". The debut is on a really cool E.V (which I - and probably a whole bunch of other folks - want to do now) from an unknown unit. I bring this up because of one thing Rimell states: "...and the wing and axle wing in olive probably a streaked application as was done on many E.V/D.VIII parasols." Plus, you can see on the color plate that the forward part of the fuselage - in front of the cockpit and behind the cowl - is olive as well. It extends from one set of center struts - the "upper most" ones - to the other. HTH. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:05:06 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: <21050610719257@KAIEN.COM> Matt, As I haven't been able to afford my WI/Datafile subscription yet this year, what E.V? What markings? Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: mbittner@juno.com > Hope you don't mind if I chime in here. There's a new series in > Windsock that just started in Vol 14 No 1 called "Decor". The > debut is on a really cool E.V (which I - and probably a whole > bunch of other folks - want to do now) from an unknown unit. I > bring this up because of one thing Rimell states: "...and the > wing and axle wing in olive probably a streaked application as > was done on many E.V/D.VIII parasols." Plus, you can see on the > color plate that the forward part of the fuselage - in front of > the cockpit and behind the cowl - is olive as well. It extends > from one set of center struts - the "upper most" ones - to the > other. HTH. > > > Matt Bittner > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:09:00 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Munsell Color Program Message-ID: <01BD3FA3.CEDAB220.panz-meador@vsti.com> Ivan: unfortunately, i don't think the program can be operated in batch mode (though i've not explored all its features yet). however, i will run the thing and get you the lozenge values in the next day or so. format will be Munsell = CMY(K) = RGB, if that's OK. i've extracted (from this NG archive) bob pearson's august 97 message concerning the CMYK equivalents of Metheun color. If there is a correlation between Munsell and Methuen, i can roll those out as well... kudos to the czech ice hockey team! phillip -----Original Message----- From: infosilver@czechia.com [SMTP:infosilver@czechia.com] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 1998 12:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Munsell Color Program On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:22:33 -0500 Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: >by the way, the windows95-based Munsell color program (beta test version) >mentioned in this NG a week or so ago is pretty nice. it portrays the >various color spaces and allows you to enter RGB or CMY(K) colors and get >their equivalent in the other system(s). from my reading in color science, >CMYK is what you need for 4 color printing, whereas RGB (plus gamma >correction) is what you need to display the color on your monitor (beyond >the 216 standard colors allowed by web pages and windows). since it's a >free download, you guys might want to check it out. > >phillip Dear Phillip, as I mentioned beforehand, I'm unable to run Munsell software on my system. Couldn't you please email me Munsell->CMYK and Munsell->RGB cross reference if the program allows anything like batch commands. Plain text file would be O.K. as I can import it into my dbase software. I'd like to use this references to correct my German lozenge page. Thanks in advance Ivan Subrt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:45:12 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Munsell Color Program Message-ID: <01BD3FA8.DD517280.panz-meador@vsti.com> Oops-after taking a look at your lozenge page, Ivan, i see that Metheun (rather than Munsell) colors were quoted. therefore, i will get you the output data in the following format: metheun = CMYK = RGB = munsell if that's OK. later, i will do the same for bob pearson's chart. phillip -----Original Message----- From: infosilver@czechia.com [SMTP:infosilver@czechia.com] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 1998 12:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Munsell Color Program On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:22:33 -0500 Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: >by the way, the windows95-based Munsell color program (beta test version) >mentioned in this NG a week or so ago is pretty nice. it portrays the >various color spaces and allows you to enter RGB or CMY(K) colors and get >their equivalent in the other system(s). from my reading in color science, >CMYK is what you need for 4 color printing, whereas RGB (plus gamma >correction) is what you need to display the color on your monitor (beyond >the 216 standard colors allowed by web pages and windows). since it's a >free download, you guys might want to check it out. > >phillip Dear Phillip, as I mentioned beforehand, I'm unable to run Munsell software on my system. Couldn't you please email me Munsell->CMYK and Munsell->RGB cross reference if the program allows anything like batch commands. Plain text file would be O.K. as I can import it into my dbase software. I'd like to use this references to correct my German lozenge page. Thanks in advance Ivan Subrt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:14:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: <199802222224.IAA26642@mimmon.mim.com.au> Pedro, >The references I have on the EV/DVIII (a couple of articles on some old = >Scale models International by Ray Rimmel and with drawings by Ian Stair) = >say that the fuselage was entirely covered in Lozenge fabric. Still on = >the nice colour profile that came with the kit, the top fuselage forward = >of the cockpit is solid dark green. Also, from what I gather by the way = >the lozenge decals supplied with the kit are cut, there should be a = >solid green panel on the underside of the fuselage, extending from the = >front to the place where the rear U/C struts are attached. What is meant is that the *fabric* part of the aircraft is all covered in loz. The gun decking, cowl and an access panel under the fuselage are all metal, and painted in olive green (probably), while the axle fairing is ply covered, and also *probably* painted o.g. >Eduard also says that the axle wing should be done in lozenge. This = >would be possible but from what I've read it would be more common to = >have it painted in green too. Anyone out there with a way to check this? = IMHO, they are *all* painted, though I suppose it's possible some were overlayed with fabric, perhaps to strengthen the axle-wing against damage. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:26:58 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: <19980222.152659.4286.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:05:33 -0500 Bob Pearson writes: >As I haven't been able to afford my WI/Datafile subscription yet this year, >what E.V? What markings? It's from an unknown unit, picture was taken some time after the war. Rimell made his profile from a picture a French reader sent in. It only shows the starboard fusleage side, and it has a winding snake, mouth toward the cowling, about to eat a rabbit. Cowl is shown as olive, but Rimell conjectures it may have been yellow, which would make this a Marine feld Jasta machine. The horizontal tail is all white with black stripes. Really a neat scheme. Before I touch my Eduard kit I want to do a scheme no one has done before; this might be it. However, now that it's been published, we will probably see four or five of them this year at Nats. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:21:07 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: <199802222233.IAA26788@mimmon.mim.com.au> Bob, >As I haven't been able to afford my WI/Datafile subscription yet this year, >what E.V? What markings? Photo is of an aircraft presumed to have been photographed post war. The original pic was provided by a French reader of Windsock. The aircraft appears to be standard finish in every way except that there is a large white? snake about to eat a rabbit along the starboard side. Snake has a sinusoidal curve, 3 and a bit repetitions, tail at the kingpost, eye above the rear undercart attachment point Looks, as the Yanks say "cool" Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:36:53 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: <22365390719437@KAIEN.COM> Shane and Matt, Thanks to both - I guess I'll have to cough up the 230Cdn for my WI/Datafile fix soon. Bob ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Fokker D.VIII > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:25:21 -0500 > > Bob, > > >As I haven't been able to afford my WI/Datafile subscription yet this > year, > >what E.V? What markings? > > Photo is of an aircraft presumed to have been photographed post war. The > original pic was provided by a French reader of Windsock. The aircraft > appears to be standard finish in every way except that there is a large > white? snake about to eat a rabbit along the starboard side. Snake has a > sinusoidal curve, 3 and a bit repetitions, tail at the kingpost, eye > above the rear undercart attachment point > > Looks, as the Yanks say "cool" > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:41:09 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Munsell Color Program Message-ID: <01BD3FB0.AE9164C0.panz-meador@vsti.com> all true--however, my main concern was with answering Ivan's original question, the gist of which was "... the colors don't look right--any suggestions?". phillip -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com [SMTP:KarrArt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 1998 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Munsell Color Program In a message dated 98-02-21 13:50:41 EST, you write: << from my reading in color science, CMYK is what you need for 4 color printing, whereas RGB (plus gamma >> CYMK is additive color mixing, as with pigments- the old red-yellow blue thing- Blue+yellow= green etc..RGB is color mixing with light and it's subtractive.You want yellow? then screen out the blue. Used in monitors, TVs and other light emiting objects Irrelevant to the question at hand but I'm feeling frisky this morning! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:44:02 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: "...really cool E.V..." Message-ID: I agree Matt! I saw that picture and decided I needed to do that version, too. Who on this list will be the first to offer decals in this color scheme? 1/48th of course. Just hoping. ;^) -Rick- << Hope you don't mind if I chime in here. There's a new series in Windsock that just started in Vol 14 No 1 called "Decor". The debut is on a really cool E.V (which I - and probably a whole bunch of other folks - want to do now) from an unknown unit. I bring this up because of one thing Rimell states: "...and the wing and axle wing in olive probably a streaked application as was done on many E.V/D.VIII parasols." Plus, you can see on the color plate that the forward part of the fuselage - in front of the cockpit and behind the cowl - is olive as well. It extends from one set of center struts - the "upper most" ones - to the other. HTH. Matt Bittner >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:04:07 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Munsell Color Program Message-ID: <23040796719506@KAIEN.COM> Phillip, Although I have replied privately to you on this, I may as well send this to the list as it may be of interest to those concerned abpout onscreen colours . . . . This points out one of the problems of trying to do colours on different computer systems. On mine these colours look the same as when I scanned them, however depending on how your screen is set up, colours will change. And has been mentioned before, if using an internet browser to view the jpg, it may change the colours further to fit it's parameters. I know when I checked Ivan's lozenge page, his colours bore no resemblance to those in my Metheun or that I converted to CMYK. One way to fix this is to print out a selection of the CMYK colours I did and set your screen to match the printout under your normal lighting conditions. This is akin to using the colour bar on the TV after your favourite channel has gone off the air to adjust your TVs colour balance. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" > > all true--however, my main concern was with answering Ivan's original > question, the gist of which was "... the colors don't look right--any > suggestions?". > phillip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:09:43 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Subject: Re: Le Prieur Message-ID: Matt, > My guess would be packed almost to the edge. Thoughts? I went to a meeting of the WW1 Aero Historians with Pete Mitchell on Saturday, and if I got this right [he as ked me to pass it on to you], the Le Prieur rockets were just like a big firecracker; what was the hole for the wick became the vent hole when the wick burned down. Sounds like you got it right 80) I've still got some stuff to send you, but I got held up with a lot of things while I was on leave......not with modelling, though; the Nieuport is proggressing splendidly. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:11:57 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Munsell Color Program Message-ID: <23115722119521@KAIEN.COM> One more thing, when printing out the CMYK/Methuen, this should be done on good coated paper. On normal paper it will just look muddy. Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:00:45 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Thin Blue Line Message-ID: <19980222.170402.8662.0.mbittner@juno.com> Cool! I just happened to catch the last of a The Thin Blue Line episode, and Rowan Atkinson was working on a Revell 1/28th Sopwith Camel! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:29:46 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Thin Blue Line Message-ID: <23294645919563@KAIEN.COM> I recall a Magnum P.I. where Higgins built the same thing. ---------- > From: mbittner@juno.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Thin Blue Line > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 18:27:26 -0500 > > Cool! I just happened to catch the last of a The Thin Blue Line episode, > and Rowan Atkinson was working on a Revell 1/28th Sopwith Camel! > > > Matt Bittner > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:35:31 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Turnbuckle colours Message-ID: Shane, > I've had an off list enquiry from a guy who needs to know whether > Nieuport Ni-28 turnbuckles were left natural metal (brass?), painted > black (japanned?) or some other colour as a matter of course. > > I'll trawl through my refs. but this sounds like a question for the > nieuport fan of all fans. Matt? Robert? In my admittedly recently acquired acquaintance with Nieuports, I'd go for japanned for a lot of the metal fittings. If anyone else knows better, I'd like to know as well. I got caught ip with a lot of things while I was on leave, but if the F2b stuff I was sending is still current, let me know, and I'll send it off in the next couple of days. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:48:02 -0800 From: "Randy J. Ray" To: wwi Subject: Finding hard-to-find kits Message-ID: <199802230048.AA072814882@i2496bs1.nafohq.hp.com> As fate would have it, I came across an Airfix D.V real cheap (no, this isn't what I'm referring to as "hard-to-find") and had noticed that Eduard lists a photo-etch set for this kit. So I went in search of the set only to find that no one around this area had one. But they did have sheets for the SE5a and the Sopwith Triplane. So I got those, and now I can't find the kits that go with either of them! So, now I have a kit but no brass, and two brass sets without kits. Anyone have suggestions on where I could find either the Eduard D.V set *or* an Esci SE5a *or* a Revell Sopwith Tripe? (All of the above is 1/72, of course :-) Randy, working on a F4U-1A in the interim -- """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Randy J. Ray 408-343-7578 randyr@nafohq.hp.com "Traveling the waves of an infinite ocean, / I feel the deepest devotion." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:21:48 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Wicker seat on the way Message-ID: <19980222.192155.8438.1.perrysm@juno.com> Robert: (or are you already over the line?). Nowhere even close! I'll snail you the makings and instructions for a wicker seat. I bet you can do it. If you have problems I'll send you a made up one. I have no idea whether or not the RE.8 had a wicker pilot's seat.....but I bet we're fixin to find out here... Steve Perry _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:08:57 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: New member and Udet a/c questions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980223090857.0071227c@philonline.com.ph> At 02:33 PM 2/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >That's what I need, thanks. Looking forward to getting it. > >> I've drawn a profile and will email it to you off list. Ooops, sorry, I forgot. I'll send now. >Concerning that book, it is "Ace of the Iron Cross." (Pretty tiny, unless I >got the edited version (from the library) Half the book is post war.) I think that's all he wrote. Being a person with that sort of personality (happy go lucky, live for the moment) you'd expect that he'd write that way. And who knows? Without the proddings of the Nazi propaganda machine he may never have written the book. The other book I'll be getting may be more extensive. >The >entire quote from the appendix about the Fokker DVIII reads: > >"Single-seater scout (1918). ...... Udet, who flew it, called it >the "Parasol" Fokker." Then it lists the specs. The book did mention that >stunt act with Greim, so maybe that is what they are referring to with the >description. I think so too. The SSW D.III that he flew is documented in the Flying Circus Special. If I remember right the book says that he was the only one in the unit that had one. He probably never used it in combat, probably just a plane to romp around in. If he ever was assigned a Fokker D.VIII we would have some documentation of it. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:51:25 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: RE: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980223095125.0071227c@philonline.com.ph> >Photo is of an aircraft presumed to have been photographed post war. The >original pic was provided by a French reader of Windsock. The aircraft >appears to be standard finish in every way except that there is a large >white? snake about to eat a rabbit along the starboard side. Snake has a >sinusoidal curve, 3 and a bit repetitions, tail at the kingpost, eye >above the rear undercart attachment point Someone send me a good scan and I'll make decal artwork for it. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:36:49 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Lacing Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980223093649.0071227c@philonline.com.ph> ><< I pencil in the stitches and apply a matt coat. Friends have to really look > hard and feel, before they can see that it's just all pencil marks. > >> >sounds good for light colored airplanes but how's it do over dark such as >PC10? >Robert I do just the same, looks ok, it's less visible, as it should be. But if you want better visibility, use the coloured pencil of your choice. Using a light coloured pencil should simulate light reflecting off the stitching, and so the lines shouldn't be too thick. I still say use an ordinary pencil.... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:28:56 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: New kits Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980223102856.0071227c@philonline.com.ph> Thanks for the list, Carlos. I can't see the logic in some of the kit choices are these guys trying to kill each other off? Has the outer limit of WWI subjects been reached? >COPPER STATE MODELS >1/48, all due out in spring @ $40 each > >SE-5 With BM coming out with an SE5a, this one better actually BE an SE5, I wonder how many will be able to tell the difference. The price tag is a real downer. >H-B W.12 The operative statement here PROBABLY is: "Our resin kit will be as good as a injection kit. Sierra's vac cannot compete with our kit." Hope for their sake that this is true, but this would be a better buy than their single seaters. >Nieu. 9/10 Going head to head with Tom's Modelworks, eh? >Pfalz D.IIIa Wouldn't it have been easier (and cheaper) to come out with conversion parts for the Eduard and Glencoe kits? >EDUARD > >Alb. D.III, Apr. >Nieu. 17, Apr. >Nieu. 17 super detail, July >Hanriot HD.1, July I'm sure everyone hopes that this is finally the timetable they will work with. >Albatros Dr.I, July (very interesting choice) Yes, interesting choice. I wonder if they'll they be altering the fuselage halves to accept the middle wing. Eduard knows that whoever'll buy this kit would have first bought the Alb D.V kit. >GLENCOE >1/48 @ $9.98 each except the DH ($14.98) > >JN-4, Feb. How different is this one from the Lindberg kit? Any better? Is it an Aurora clone? >Pfalz D.IIIa, Mar. Ok, now how many will buy the Cooper State model? >DH-4, Mar. March? I hope. I kept from getting the AMT kit for this one. >BLUE MAX > >Halb. CL.II Those afraid of resin (Tom's) can get this one. I think the Tom's Halb. is a good kit though. Lot's of PE an lozenge. >SE5a If this one will have many alternative parts (front cowls, props), it will be a good buy. >F2B Whaaaat?! But Aeroclub is releasing one (has released?) soon. >TOM'S MODELWORKS >1/48 resin > >Alb. C.XII, May I hope the don't raise their price. >Halberstadt D.II/III, July (finally, if from the wrong manufacturer) Anyone see the 1/48 Czechmaster kit? It's listed in the Aviation USK site. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:06:00 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New kits Message-ID: <2298477b.34f0e79a@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-22 21:32:35 EST, you write: << >GLENCOE >1/48 @ $9.98 each except the DH ($14.98) > >JN-4, Feb. How different is this one from the Lindberg kit? Any better? Is it an Aurora clone >> Yep, probably given the usual Glencoe treatment of removing the etched markings.Geez, it's been years since I've seen one, but the word is that it's good but not as good as the Lindberg(what is?!) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 904 *********************