WWI Digest 897

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) 1/48 Albatros Dr.1
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
  2) Re: AEG D.I
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
  3) Re: Pink Tires
	by Michelle and Rory Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
  4) Re: Internet Message
	by Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
  5) Re: Pink Tires
	by KarrArt@aol.com
  6) E-mail problems
	by REwing@aol.com
  7) Decal Bummer reply
	by Richard Humberstone <richardh@stratauk.demon.co.uk>
  8) CDL Preferences
	by perrysm@juno.com
  9) Re: Decal Bummer reply
	by mbittner@juno.com
 10) Re: Decal bummer
	by mbittner@juno.com
 11) RE: WWI digest 895 (Schweinhund)
	by "Denest, Michael J" <Michael.Denest@PHL.Boeing.com>
 12) Re: CDL Preferences
	by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett)
 13) Re: CDL Preferences
	by "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pschwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
 14) Web Page Updated
	by "Douglas R. Jones" <djones@iex.com>
 15) Re: CDL Preferences
	by "Patrick Gilmore" <petrov26@novagate.com>
 16) XRTRACOLOR(was CDL Preferences)
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 17) RE: CDL Preferences
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
 18) Toko SSW D.III/D.IV
	by "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" <BITTNERM@stratcom.af.mil>
 19) RE: CDL Preferences
	by John Berlien <j-berlien@ti.com>
 20) RE: CDL Preferences
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
 21) Re: Toko SSW D.III/D.IV
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 22) RE: Toko SSW D.III/D.IV
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
 23) Re: Italia 1997
	by Franco Poloni <frank@lo.itline.it>

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:05:30 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: "AAA - WW1 Group" <wwi>
Subject: 1/48 Albatros Dr.1
Message-ID: <199802172300.XAA01740@beryl.sol.co.uk>

I remember talk, a year or so back, of an Alb Dr1 but I seem to recall it
was 1/72 - maybe I'm getting my wires crossed again.
Anyway, I dropped into the main Edinburgh model shop earlier today and
found a very nice conversion kit for the Eduard Albatros to make a Dr1.

Its from Hi-Tech (part number 48036), who turn out to be Philippe Jourdan
Models in Nanteuil in France. Sorry if everybody has seen this one before -
but its new to me.

Consists of three beautifully sharp and thin resin wings with finely
moulded radiators already in place on the middle wings; two sets of 4 resin
half struts and a pair of white metal "N" struts.
Good instruction sheet but with rather fractured English! Cost 9.95GBP. 

That might seem a little high for 3 wings but since the Eduard Alb DVa is
pretty inexpensive, the whole thing will still be less than a Blue Max or a
DML. The quality matches that of the Eduard kit and this one will get even
me making an Albatros Scout (Argh what am I saying!)

I'm sure other stockists will have this (Barry?) but Wonderland had one
other left - if anybody wants contact info just ask.
Sandy


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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:24:27 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: AEG D.I
Message-ID: <199802172319.XAA02202@beryl.sol.co.uk>


>Does anyone have any details of the above, ............................

Best ref I have is the Windsock WW1 Warplanes volume two, which gives
colour profile (pale blue) of D5002/17 and Colin Owers plans in1/72 & 1/48
of 4401/17 and 5002/17. 5 photographs

Peter Grosz speculates that D5002/17 could have been the type-test eval
machine in which Hendrichs was killed.

HTH
Sandy

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:13:43 -0800
From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Pink Tires
Message-ID: <34EA35C7.27D0@ricochet.net>

I have some Model Master "Piping Pink". Can anyone educate me as to how
> this color should be altered in order to represent the "pink" called out for tires.

Try using it to tint a light beige, the natural color of real rubber.
(I've only seen a few pinkish-beige tyres in color plates of WWI
'planes...) Having said the above, some know-it-all will probably feel
obliged to make a liar out of me :-). It's a good thing I don't take
critcism of hobby-related knowledge personally...

Cheers,

Riordan

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:55:37 -0400
From: Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Internet Message
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980217215537.006f03ac@pop.true.net>

Hi Kenneth

Sorry for the delay, boolet mailed today,
please let me know when it arrives


SALUDOS


Alberto


At 09:42 PM 25-01-98 -0500, you wrote:
>Alberto Rada wrote:
>> there is a
>> booklet on this
>> vehicle, good news, you get a lot of photos and all the color profiles, the
>> bad news,
>> the text is in Polish, I don't know if Squadron still has it, if not and
>> you want it,
>> please let me know and I'll photocopy it for you.
>> 
>Alberto,
>
>I have the 1/72 version of this vehicle. This is a much more basic kit
>than its larger cousin, lacking rivets and even hatches.  The
>instructions list parts which aren't even included with the kit.  At
>least the wheels are nice.  Would it be possible to get a copy of the
>booklet?  Let me know any copying and postage costs.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kenneth Hagerup
>11419 South 43rd Ave
>Omaha, NE 68123 USA
>
>


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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:53:34 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Pink Tires
Message-ID: <228a4277.34ea4d30@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-02-17 20:14:43 EST, you write:

<< I've only seen a few pinkish-beige tyres in color plates of WWI
 'planes. >>
How 'bout some grass stains and dust on them tires?
Robert

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:12:15 EST
From: REwing@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: E-mail problems
Message-ID: <49619c4f.34ea5fa1@aol.com>

For some reason I have sent personal e-mails to Mike, Matt, and Alberto, and
each one has been returned as "undeliverable".  Alberto, you may still get
yours up to 5 days from now.  I don't understand, so I will say "Thanks" for
your infomation you have sent and take up list space.  Sorry all.

-Rick-

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 09:12:01 GMT
From: Richard Humberstone <richardh@stratauk.demon.co.uk>
To: wwi
Subject: Decal Bummer reply
Message-ID: <887793159.10506.0@stratauk.demon.co.uk>

Sorry to hear of Matt's problem with one of our early decals (French 
Escadrilles BR202). This sheet is sold out, but I may be able to find a couple 
of reject sheets good enough to replace the bad one Matt has, and send them on 
to him. Like Americal, we will replace any defective decals.

Richard at Blue Rider


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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 05:58:18 -0500
From: perrysm@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: CDL Preferences
Message-ID: <19980218.055818.11078.0.perrysm@juno.com>

Thanks for the pink tire info. I'll put it to good use.

I've been using Model Master's Light Ivory for CDL.  It looks ok to me
and sets glossy enough to put decals on. 

Is there a more accurate color that I could use?

TIA

sp

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:43:47 -0600
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Decal Bummer reply
Message-ID: <19980218.050102.4550.0.mbittner@juno.com>

On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 05:28:59 -0500 Richard Humberstone
<richardh@stratauk.demon.co.uk> writes:

>Sorry to hear of Matt's problem with one of our early decals (French 
>Escadrilles BR202). This sheet is sold out, but I may be able to find 
>a couple of reject sheets good enough to replace the bad one Matt has,
and send 
>them on to him. Like Americal, we will replace any defective decals.

Wow!  Super, thanks.  That's great!

Us WW1 types are wonderful, aren't we? :-)


Matt Bittner

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 05:00:18 -0600
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Decal bummer
Message-ID: <19980218.050102.4550.4.mbittner@juno.com>

On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:58:57 -0500 Charles Hart
<hartc@spot.colorado.edu> writes:

> I now understand, what you are seeing is not "glue", that's
> already in the paper.  What you are seeing is a small patch of
> clear decal laquer that was printed as a first layer on the
> paper, the colored inks are then printed on top of this.  Even
> if the colored inks missed the mark, so to speak and wind up on
> decal paper but off of the clear film, they should still slide
> off, they just won't be attached to the rest of the decal colors
> that made it on to the clear backing.

Oh!  So you think that by either overspraying the decals with
"gloss", or with "liquid decal paper" I still should be able to
use them?  This is good news indeed!  It also sounds like those
that missed their mark will now be in two pieces, correct?

Thanks for the help!


Matt Bittner

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:44:00 -0500
From: "Denest, Michael J" <Michael.Denest@PHL.Boeing.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: WWI digest 895 (Schweinhund)
Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4019BD5F4@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com>

Thanks Mike, that's what I thought it was.  I finally finished reading
"HITEB" which documents G-M's SE.  The fuselage was painted red
following the end of hostilities.  Before that it was the standard PC-10
upper surfaces and CDL under.  The same photo you have is published in
the book.  
Mike
                              

> Mike     if you look real close, you can see the PC-10 on the upper
> wing in
> the drawing. I looked up the aircraft in the SE5a File. It only
> mentions the
> plane that was used during the war:  Code letter "W", F-863. I think
> it was
> this plane that he later painted after 11-11-18. I do have a photo
> from Wind
> in the Wire showing him in the cockpit, but I think it was the
> PC-10/CDL
> paint scheme. If you want a copy, let me know.
> Mike Muth
> 

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:09:02 -0500
From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: CDL Preferences
Message-ID: <v01530502b1109b498fb0@[207.34.203.160]>

sp asks:

>
>I've been using Model Master's Light Ivory for CDL.  It looks ok to me
>and sets glossy enough to put decals on.
>
>Is there a more accurate color that I could use?
>
>TIA
>
>sp



sp,

I use the same paint as you. However, after the Light Ivory, I brush on a
thin coat of Polly S Doped Linen to get some tonal variance. I agree that
Light Ivory is good on its own, though.

Kevin Barrett.



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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:47:28 +0000
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pschwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: CDL Preferences
Message-ID: <199802181349.HAA29025@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com>

> I've been using Model Master's Light Ivory for CDL.  It looks ok to me
> and sets glossy enough to put decals on. 

I have been using Model Master Modern Desert Sand, and like it's 
appearance.  Before that, I used Polly S Natural Linen.  As with any 
colors, in my humble opinion, use whatever looks right to you.


Paul A. Schwartzkopf

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:09:36 -0600
From: "Douglas R. Jones" <djones@iex.com>
To: wwi
Cc: mcaspari@utdallas.edu
Subject: Web Page Updated
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980218080934.006add3c@deimos.tx.iex.com>

I have updated the web page for the UTD book sale to have a more readable
type size and have added an additional page for the periodicals that are
for sale.

URL http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/aeroclassics/Page1.html



Doug
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:13:53 -0500
From: "Patrick Gilmore" <petrov26@novagate.com>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: CDL Preferences
Message-ID: <199802181715.MAA26842@sulaco.novagate.net>


> > I've been using Model Master's Light Ivory for CDL.  It looks ok to me
> > and sets glossy enough to put decals on. 
> 
> I have been using Model Master Modern Desert Sand, and like it's 
> appearance.  Before that, I used Polly S Natural Linen.  As with any 
> colors, in my humble opinion, use whatever looks right to you.
> 
> 
> Paul A. Schwartzkopf

I really like the XTRACOLOR CDL as well as their other WWI paints.
Patrick Gilmore

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:32:39 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: XRTRACOLOR(was CDL Preferences)
Message-ID: <1b138580.34eb1b39@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-02-18 12:18:48 EST, you write:

<< I really like the XTRACOLOR CDL as well as their other WWI paints.
 Patrick Gilmore >>

I've never used XTRACOLOR- how is it? I mean aside form color accuracy or
anything- how is it to use? Sprayability? hand brushing? drying time? Opacity?
Thanks
Robert

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:45:08 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: CDL Preferences
Message-ID: <01BD3C62.AAC76DE0.panz-meador@vsti.com>

could someone suggest a good mail-order source for xtracolor paints?  so 
far i've struck out finding a shop here in s. houston that carries the 
line...

TIA,

phillip

-----Original Message-----
From:	Patrick Gilmore [SMTP:petrov26@novagate.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, February 18, 1998 11:19 AM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: CDL Preferences


> > I've been using Model Master's Light Ivory for CDL.  It looks ok to me
> > and sets glossy enough to put decals on.
>
> I have been using Model Master Modern Desert Sand, and like it's
> appearance.  Before that, I used Polly S Natural Linen.  As with any
> colors, in my humble opinion, use whatever looks right to you.
>
>
> Paul A. Schwartzkopf

I really like the XTRACOLOR CDL as well as their other WWI paints.
Patrick Gilmore


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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:43:54 -0600
From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" <BITTNERM@stratcom.af.mil>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: Toko SSW D.III/D.IV
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=USSTRATCOM%l=J2-J5HUB-U-980218194354Z-2151@emshub-u.stratcom.af.mil>

My *first* example of the Toko SSW came today.  This is an awesome kit.
Although the cockpit isn't up to "my" standards, you can make a great
kit as it is out of the box.  Truly awesome.

If the same holds true with Toko as other manufacturers - and the first
kits are the "worst" from the manufacturer - then the other kits by Toko
are going to be out of this world.

I am seriously contemplating replacing my Pegasus kits with the
equivalent Toko ones.  It will be a heck of a lot less work.

So, anyone want to trade me a Toko SSW D.III for one of my Pegasus SSW
D.III's?

I truly hope this manufacturer continues with WW1 models.  Although our
Braille friends will be left out in the cold - like I almost care
<snicker> :-) - us True Scalers will definitely benefit.

I am extremely looking forward to get my first case of Toko Nieuport
11's. :-)

Does anybody have some good color examples of SSW D.IV's?  Bob Pearson?
I would really like one of the naval birds.


Matt Bittner


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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:51:49 -0800
From: John Berlien <j-berlien@ti.com>
To: wwi
Subject: RE: CDL Preferences
Message-ID: <BMSMTP88783858456a0186964@dsbmail.itg.ti.com>

I believe Roll Models carries Xtracolor.  I have had good results spraying it 
(German Underside Blue) on my DRI.  I think I used Testors Modelmaster airbrush
thinner.  It is of course gloss, ready for decals.

Best regards,

Jack

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From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>, on 2/18/98 12:46 PM:
could someone suggest a good mail-order source for xtracolor paints?  so 
far i've struck out finding a shop here in s. houston that carries the 
line...

TIA,

phillip

-----Original Message-----
From:	Patrick Gilmore [SMTP:petrov26@novagate.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, February 18, 1998 11:19 AM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: CDL Preferences


> > I've been using Model Master's Light Ivory for CDL.  It looks ok to me
> > and sets glossy enough to put decals on.
>
> I have been using Model Master Modern Desert Sand, and like it's
> appearance.  Before that, I used Polly S Natural Linen.  As with any
> colors, in my humble opinion, use whatever looks right to you.
>
>
> Paul A. Schwartzkopf

I really like the XTRACOLOR CDL as well as their other WWI paints.
Patrick Gilmore




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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:07:34 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: CDL Preferences
Message-ID: <01BD3C76.900B2960.panz-meador@vsti.com>

thanks for the quick response--i'll look them up on the web.  seems like 
around here, unless you're building a modern "flying thing" (e.g. an {ugh} 
Boeing [ack] F/A or A/F-18A/B/C/D/E/F, not a REAL aeroplane) you're SOL 
paint wise.

phillip

-----Original Message-----
From:	John Berlien [SMTP:j-berlien@ti.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, February 18, 1998 1:52 PM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	RE: CDL Preferences

I believe Roll Models carries Xtracolor.  I have had good results spraying 
it
(German Underside Blue) on my DRI.  I think I used Testors Modelmaster 
airbrush
thinner.  It is of course gloss, ready for decals.

Best regards,

Jack

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Original text

From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>, on 2/18/98 12:46 PM:
could someone suggest a good mail-order source for xtracolor paints?  so
far i've struck out finding a shop here in s. houston that carries the
line...

TIA,

phillip

-----Original Message-----
From:	Patrick Gilmore [SMTP:petrov26@novagate.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, February 18, 1998 11:19 AM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: CDL Preferences


> > I've been using Model Master's Light Ivory for CDL.  It looks ok to me
> > and sets glossy enough to put decals on.
>
> I have been using Model Master Modern Desert Sand, and like it's
> appearance.  Before that, I used Polly S Natural Linen.  As with any
> colors, in my humble opinion, use whatever looks right to you.
>
>
> Paul A. Schwartzkopf

I really like the XTRACOLOR CDL as well as their other WWI paints.
Patrick Gilmore



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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:16:54 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Toko SSW D.III/D.IV
Message-ID: <20165425007462@KAIEN.COM>


Matt,

I have a few SSWs done. However the only naval one is a D.IV from MFJ 2 and
has a white band on the fuselage.

Regards,
       Bob Pearson

----------
> From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" <BITTNERM@stratcom.af.mil>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Toko SSW D.III/D.IV
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:49:07 -0500
> 
> My *first* example of the Toko SSW came today.  This is an awesome kit.
> Although the cockpit isn't up to "my" standards, you can make a great
> kit as it is out of the box.  Truly awesome.

<chomp>

> Does anybody have some good color examples of SSW D.IV's?  Bob Pearson?
> I would really like one of the naval birds.
> 
> 
> Matt Bittner
> 


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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:43:08 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: Toko SSW D.III/D.IV
Message-ID: <01BD3C7B.885110E0.panz-meador@vsti.com>

hey, since i'm planning on getting the toko kit as well, could i get a copy of that naval profile for the d.iv as well?

TIA,

phillip
-----Original Message-----
From:	Bob Pearson [SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, February 18, 1998 2:18 PM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: Toko SSW D.III/D.IV


Matt,

I have a few SSWs done. However the only naval one is a D.IV from MFJ 2 and
has a white band on the fuselage.

Regards,
       Bob Pearson

----------
> From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" <BITTNERM@stratcom.af.mil>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Toko SSW D.III/D.IV
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:49:07 -0500
> 
> My *first* example of the Toko SSW came today.  This is an awesome kit.
> Although the cockpit isn't up to "my" standards, you can make a great
> kit as it is out of the box.  Truly awesome.

<chomp>

> Does anybody have some good color examples of SSW D.IV's?  Bob Pearson?
> I would really like one of the naval birds.
> 
> 
> Matt Bittner
> 


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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:42:12 GMT
From: Franco Poloni <frank@lo.itline.it>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Italia 1997
Message-ID: <199802160942.JAA11701@lo.itline.it>

Hi Alberto
>
>So it was you taking the photos, well , now that was a superb job
>now when can I see one of your pieces of work ?
>come on send something over

You mean send something to Al for the web page????
well, I'm not sure that my models can be compared to those on the web page.
But I can send a couple of photo to you, so that you can judge if are worth

>
>The Macchi is midway, Franco it is a beautiful kit , it looks incredible
>I am not sure how to present it, maybe resting in water ?

Yes, I think it should be great to see it on water, I received mine
yesterday, and I'm looking forward to start building it.

ciao




 Franco


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