WWI Digest 896 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) UTD Periodical Sale List by "Douglas R. Jones" 2) Re: music by Bob Pearson 3) Re: New guy: interior colours by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: comparing the journals/mag by mbittner@juno.com 5) Re: Decal bummer by mbittner@juno.com 6) Pink Tires by perrysm@juno.com 7) Re: Italia 1997 by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 8) Re: Pink Tires by The Shannons 9) Re: Decal bummer by fedders 10) Re: Decal bummer by Charles Hart 11) Re: SMER kits, Pfalz non-silver finish by Joey Valenciano 12) Re: It pays to loiter, sometimes :-) by Joey Valenciano 13) Thanks all!!! by Eric Nichols 14) Re: AEG D.I by Charles Hart 15) Albatros D XI by Drenka 16) Re: Pink Tires by perrysm@juno.com (Steven M Perry) 17) Re: Albatros D XI by Charles Hart 18) Re: Italia 1997 by Franco Poloni 19) Re: music by "Randy J. Ray" 20) Re: Decal bummer by Patrick Padovan 21) Re: Decal bummer by Patrick Padovan 22) Re: Italia 1997 by Alberto Rada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:22:49 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi Subject: UTD Periodical Sale List Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980217002247.006b33cc@deimos.tx.iex.com> This is a list of the periodicals that UTD has for sale. As usual call Mary about placing orders. Thanks, Doug Price $5.00 per copy Cross & Cockade, USA Incomplete Sets Volume Number Number Year Vol. 6 No. 4 (1 copy) 1965 Vol. 7 No. 4 (1 copy) 1966 Vol. 11 No. 3 (1 copy) 1970 Vol. 13 No. 1 (2 copies) 1972 Price: $200.00 *Over The Front Volume Number Number Date Vol. 1 No. 1-4 1986-87 Vol. 2 No. 1-4 1987-88 Vol. 3 No. 1-4 1988 Vol. 4 No. 1-4 1989 Vol. 5 No. 1-4 1990 Vol. 6 No. 1-4 1991 Vol. 7 No. 1-4 1992 Vol. 8 No. 1-4 1993 Vol. 9 No. 1-4 1994 Vol. 10 No. 1-4 1995 *Please contact Mary at (972) 883-2570 for instructions about this sale. Price: $4.00 a copy Over The Front Incomplete sets Volume Number Number Date Vol. 3 No. 1-4 (1 set) 1988 Vol. 3 No. 1 (1 copy) 1988 No. 2 (1 copy) 1988 No. 3 (1 copy) 1988 Vol. 4 No. 1 (1 copy) 1989 No. 3 (1 copy) 1989 Vol. 9 No. 3 (3 copies) 1994 Vol. 10 No. 1-4 (1 set) 1995 Vol. 10 No. 1 (1 copy) 1995 No. 3 (2 copies) 1995 No. 4 (2 copies) 1995 Vol. 11 No. 1-4 (2 sets) 1996 Vol. 11 No. 1 (3 copies) 1996 No. 2 (1 copy) 1996 No. 4 (1 copy) 1996 Vol. 12 No. 1 (5 copies) 1997 No. 2 (4 copies) 1997 No. 3 (4 copies) 1997 The University of Texas at Dallas Special Collections Box 830643 Richardson, Texas 75083-0643 PLEASE CALL MARY AT (972) 883-2570 OR E-MAIL MCASPARI@UTDALLAS.EDU TO RESERVE YOUR BOOKS. -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:29:42 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: music Message-ID: <06294256602437@KAIEN.COM> Rick, I believe Matt's original mention of Lorenna McKennit predated my joining the list, but I did contribute to a thread on her a few months back. I also agree that it is great modelling (or profiling) music. In fact the only thing I have found to rival it in amount of airtime here is the Dusty Springfield Anthology (you just knew I would mention it). regards, Bob Pearson nw: Olympic Women's Hockey: China vs Finland, followed by Canada vs USA at 1am ---------- > From: REwing@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: music > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:46:34 -0500 > > In a message dated 98-02-16 19:32:27 EST, you write: > > << >nl: Lorenna McKennit(Thanks again Matt!) > >> > I received her CD for Christmas and haven't stopped listening to it. But > wasn't it Bob P. the one who put us on to her? Good modeling music! > > -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:47:38 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New guy: interior colours Message-ID: <72ae41ec.34e9328c@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-17 01:03:13 EST, you write: << Still, while photos of German WW1 seats are not exactly common, I can't find any sign of a cushion on the few photos I do have. >> This brings us to the value of crash shots- I've seen seat cushions in broken-backed crashes of Pfalz and Albatros products. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:06:59 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: comparing the journals/mag Message-ID: <19980217.050718.8966.8.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:23:42 -0500 Joey Valenciano writes: Since no one has taken this on, I thought I would. > I'd like to start (or resume) a thread here. How would you > appraise the journals/mag below? What are their respective > strong points? I know that this type of thread has been tackled > before and is somewhere in the archive. Just thought that a more > current appraisal would be useful. I have only seen a few pages > of some of the journals and own only one copy of Windsock > International, so I shouldn't contribute much to the thread. > But let me start it off by giving the subscription rates that I > know of. If incorrect, please alter. > > Over the Front - $37 I am truly enjoying Over the Front (OtF). It runs the full gamut of WW1 aviation history; however, since this is an American journal, it can get a bit esoteric with the American "stuff". It occasionally runs a modeling section. Plus, it has great "colors and markings" articles from the likes of Jon Guttman and Greg Van Wyngarden. Although others feel like you can't model WW1 aviation without some of the other journals, I feel like you can't do without OtF. Quite a wonderful journal. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:54:11 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal bummer Message-ID: <19980217.050718.8966.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:06:22 -0500 Charles Hart writes: > I'm a little unsure of your problem here. The BR sheets are > screen printed, just like a lot of other decals, including > Americal/Gryphon. The decal paper is impregnated with glue and > the screen print inks are applied over this. If one doesn't > apply a clear coat (usually as an undercoat to the pigmented > inks) what you wind up with is a very, very thin decal that is > the layer of the colored ink(s) with a bit of glue sliding on to > your model. The bottom line is that all of your colors should > be sliding off of your BR sheet and on to your model. If they > aren't, perhaps this has something to do with the age of the > decals, this paper doesn't last forever, though this remark may > inspire tales from the list of using old decals with impunity. > OK guys, I'm all (cyber) ears. Well, unlike Americal, there is only enough "glue" for the image plus a little overhang. Super Scale does it, as does others. If you hold the decal sheet up to the light right, you can see where the "glue" is applied as opposed to the rest of the sheet. However, I will try adding liquid decal to the sheet, and try and go from there. It won't be on this model, since I found another sheet. > Matt, I would try applying a coat of clear coat over these > decals and trying again. Without seeing the sheet in question, > I can't fully interpret your problem. I'm happy to look at it > and return it if you want to snail mail it to me and I can > report back to the list. Thanks for the offer, but since I found another sheet, I will relagate this to "next time". :-) Maybe when Toko (or whomever) releases a Nie.17. Hey, I can wish, can't I? ;-) > First a disclaimer, I didn't print the sheets in question here. Lucky you. > There are some practical matters at work here. You want to > print on top of a white layer. If the reverse were done there > would be definite areas of pink on your coccarde. Same goes for > not putting clear ink over printed colors, the results are an > inevitable mess. This is not an insoluble problem from a > printer's standpoint. Is there that noticeable a difference > between the plain and undercoated red areas of the coccarde once > it is applied to the model? This gets into tricky territory, if > it were necessary to make a white spot the size of the coccarde, > then print the red over it, this would get rid of the ridge and > the two red shade problem, but there would be the added trick of > having to lay down the red over the white and have none of the > latter color peeking through. Hmmm...Well, on the Lafayette sheet, it "appears" that the red is "flaking" off, leaving white "splotches" in with the red. On the generic "cocarde" sheet, it appears that the white was added to the decal sheet, then the red over it; however, the red and white do not line up, leaving you with a ridge where the white "paint" is. I had this same problem on the Nie.28, and only after many coats of gloss, each coat followed by a rub-down of "mega-grit" sandpaper (in the 3200-12000 range) was I able to "hide" this ridge. That's all. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:40:30 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Pink Tires Message-ID: <19980217.064030.8910.0.perrysm@juno.com> I have seen a couple of references to "pink" as the color called out for some tires. I guess this a form of natural rubber without lamp black similar to the "white" rubber tires common to the era. I have some Model Master "Piping Pink". Can anyone educate me as to how this color should be altered in order to represent the "pink" called out for tires. TIA sp _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:39:20 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Italia 1997 Message-ID: <199802171341.HAA16624@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> > Italians shouldn't be allowed to do models, its not fair > Alberto Ditto. Very nice work done on all the models. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:18:50 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Pink Tires Message-ID: <34E99C4A.F3967856@ix.netcom.com> You would be right in assuming that this is the natural rubber. Lampblack as an anti-uv/antioxidant material in tires was just getting started at that time, and if lampblack was in demand for other uses, it didn't get used. The native color would be a yellow -- like the yellow rubber hose sold for science usage -- to beige in tone. Piping Pink would be a bit too bright, IMHO, but would be a good basis if a light tan were mixed along with a touch of white. I wouldn't worry overmuch about ratios, if you have a bicycle, a lot of the tires now have yellow rubber sidewalls -- mix and match? perrysm@juno.com wrote: > I have seen a couple of references to "pink" as the color called out for > some tires. I guess this a form of natural rubber without lamp black > similar to the "white" rubber tires common to the era. > > I have some Model Master "Piping Pink". Can anyone educate me as to how > this color should be altered in order to represent the "pink" called out > for tires. > > TIA > sp > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:27:25 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Decal bummer Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 mbittner@juno.com wrote: > I'm about to start decaling my Johnson Nie.16, pulled out the Blue Rider > sheet (since the registry is way better than Americal) and was bummed. > The one sheet I have is completely unusable. What has happened is that > the "paint" for the images are not on the decal "solution". So, when you > cut the "image" out, part of the image stays on the paper, while the Glen (Americals) will replace any bad decals - but it is still annoying. There is one more possible problem, the paint on the decal may be too thin and the pattern or color underneath will show through! This can be solved by putting a white circle (decal) underneath. It is possible that Blue Rider will also replace defective decals peter fedders > decal slides off containing the rest of the image. > > In no way do I blame Blue Rider, it's just a huge bummer, as this is a > wonderful sheet, and it looks like out of the whole sheet I will only be > able to use two or three decals. I wish I would have noticed this when I > first bought the sheet. > > Anybody know where I might be able to obtain another? It's Blue Rider, > No.BR202, WW1 French Escadrilles. Unfortunately out of print for quite > awhile, but you never know when you might get lucky. > > Also, I was looking at the Americal French decals I own. I have both the > Lafayette Escadrille sheet, as well as the cocarde sheet and there are > big problems with both sheets. First, the cocarde sheet has areas where > you can tell the white was applied first, and then the red over it. You > can see a ridge where the red has oversprayed the white. Hard to > describe, but I hope you get my gist. Plus, with the Escadrille sheet, > the cocarde's are completely unusable. First there's the difference is > colors. Not a huge problem, but there are two definite shades of red. > Then there's the white bleeding through the red in *all* cocarde's. > Finally, there are registration problems all over the place. > > I know the type of operation Americal has, and I really do appreciate the > decals he comes out with. Even though I will still buy Americal decals, > I really wish the quality control was a bit better. > > Does anybody know if anybody else make French cocarde's? Pegasus, maybe? > > Thanks for the ear(s). > > > Matt Bittner > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:59:59 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal bummer Message-ID: >On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:06:22 -0500 Charles Hart > writes: > >> I'm a little unsure of your problem here. The BR sheets are >> screen printed, just like a lot of other decals, including >> Americal/Gryphon. The decal paper is impregnated with glue and >> the screen print inks are applied over this. If one doesn't >> apply a clear coat (usually as an undercoat to the pigmented >> inks) what you wind up with is a very, very thin decal that is >> the layer of the colored ink(s) with a bit of glue sliding on to >> your model. The bottom line is that all of your colors should >> be sliding off of your BR sheet and on to your model. If they >> aren't, perhaps this has something to do with the age of the >> decals, this paper doesn't last forever, though this remark may >> inspire tales from the list of using old decals with impunity. >> OK guys, I'm all (cyber) ears. > >Well, unlike Americal, there is only enough "glue" for the image >plus a little overhang. Super Scale does it, as does others. If >you hold the decal sheet up to the light right, you can see where >the "glue" is applied as opposed to the rest of the sheet. > >However, I will try adding liquid decal to the sheet, and try and >go from there. It won't be on this model, since I found another >sheet. Matt, I now understand, what you are seeing is not "glue", that's already in the paper. What you are seeing is a small patch of clear decal laquer that was printed as a first layer on the paper, the colored inks are then printed on top of this. Even if the colored inks missed the mark, so to speak and wind up on decal paper but off of the clear film, they should still slide off, they just won't be attached to the rest of the decal colors that made it on to the clear backing. HTH Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu >> Matt, I would try applying a coat of clear coat over these >> decals and trying again. Without seeing the sheet in question, >> I can't fully interpret your problem. I'm happy to look at it >> and return it if you want to snail mail it to me and I can >> report back to the list. > >Thanks for the offer, but since I found another sheet, I will >relagate this to "next time". :-) Maybe when Toko (or whomever) >releases a Nie.17. Hey, I can wish, can't I? ;-) > >> First a disclaimer, I didn't print the sheets in question here. > >Lucky you. > >> There are some practical matters at work here. You want to >> print on top of a white layer. If the reverse were done there >> would be definite areas of pink on your coccarde. Same goes for >> not putting clear ink over printed colors, the results are an >> inevitable mess. This is not an insoluble problem from a >> printer's standpoint. Is there that noticeable a difference >> between the plain and undercoated red areas of the coccarde once >> it is applied to the model? This gets into tricky territory, if >> it were necessary to make a white spot the size of the coccarde, >> then print the red over it, this would get rid of the ridge and >> the two red shade problem, but there would be the added trick of >> having to lay down the red over the white and have none of the >> latter color peeking through. > >Hmmm...Well, on the Lafayette sheet, it "appears" that the red is >"flaking" off, leaving white "splotches" in with the red. On the >generic "cocarde" sheet, it appears that the white was added to >the decal sheet, then the red over it; however, the red and white >do not line up, leaving you with a ridge where the white "paint" >is. I had this same problem on the Nie.28, and only after many >coats of gloss, each coat followed by a rub-down of "mega-grit" >sandpaper (in the 3200-12000 range) was I able to "hide" this >ridge. > >That's all. :-) > > >Matt Bittner > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:19:54 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: SMER kits, Pfalz non-silver finish Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980217101954.006b1104@philonline.com.ph> Hi Sandy, >If you're desperate, Kingkit had a Handasyde (Pyro) at 19.99GBP, may also >have Bleriot - try Malcolm on 106054.1147@compuserve.com not that desperate to have to deal with this guy..... I don't think I'll be dropping him a line. But thanks for the info. >PS - mind you he's a bit of an idiot - I tried to buy 2 Profiles from him a >few weeks ago and he wanted as much for postage as for each pub! Postage is >my pet hate and I resent paying 3.50GBP for two 8-page leaflets which would >only need a 26p stamp between them. When I offered by e-mail to send him an >SAE to drop them in, he replied with "Oh no you don't - you'll pay the same >as everybody else" !!!!!! >I decided "Oh no I won't". ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:10:03 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: It pays to loiter, sometimes :-) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980217121003.006b1104@philonline.com.ph> Hi Randy, >I found that they knew >of IPMS, and had been to the show we'd hosted the previous weekend, >but hadn't been to a meeting. So I set them up with dates and times >for the meetings If I go will you set me up with a date as well? ;^) ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:24:22 -0600 From: Eric Nichols To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Thanks all!!! Message-ID: <01BD3B8E.26978160@enichols> James Gray, I'm sorry but I don't know much about the caisson. I suppose it's = U.S., but that's merely a guess. We're located in MO so I think that's = probably right. And Len, thanks for your input. He works for K.C.P&L so it should be = easy for him to contact Doran. Again, thanks SO MUCH, he'll appreciate these hints on restoring his = piece. Any other information on a WWI caisson is greatly appreciated. Again, THANKS!!!! Eric enichols@nava-link.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:33:18 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: AEG D.I Message-ID: >Does anyone have any details of the above, or the pilot Lt. Walter >Hohndorf (the name has the double dots over the first 'o'), who may have >flown the A.E.G. D.I in Jasta 14 from March 1917 until his death in the >same plane on 5 September 1917? > >My source for this tid-bit was from the recently acquired Fighting >Triplanes by Evan Hadingham. > >Information on colours/markings/victories &/or combats would be greatly >appreciated as I'm a nut for obscure aircraft that were used >operationally. > >The only references I show are: > >Air Enthusiast Vol 1 No 1 (not held) >Eisernes Kreuz und Balken Krues (held) >Fighter Aircraft of WW1 (Harleyford) (held) >German Aircraft of WW1 (Putnam) (held) >Vintage Warbirds No 8 (not held) >Windsock Vol 2 No 4 (held) >Windsock WW1 Warplanes No 2 (held) >World War 1 Aeroplanes (held) > >Of the ones I hold, I'm fairly sure that I remember reading that a pilot >was killed in the plane, but not that it was ever used operationally. > >Is there anything in the various Norman Franks' books, anyone? > >Thanx. Vintage Warbirds No.8 has a nice photo of AEG D-I 4400/17, this looks to be overall light blue since one can see the white borders of the eiserne kreuze on the fuselage and tail. This photo is different from the two that appear in Grey & Thetford German A/C of WWI, and this suggests that there were possibly three D-Is built, 4400/17, 4402/17 and 500?/17 (memory cloudy on this last serial, its in G & T). Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:04:28 +0800 (SGT) From: Drenka To: wwi Subject: Albatros D XI Message-ID: <199802171704.BAA26260@pop2.pacific.net.sg> Well, I couldn't find anything in the archives about this one. I'm building an Albatros D XI , 325mm span. I have good 3-views and plans are drawn up. I have some black and white photos of both prototypes, but I cannot tell what colour it would be. At least it doesn't appear to have lozenge pattern wing fabric, which is a relief. I am building 2208/18, the first prototype, with the four blade prop. Does anyone know where I can find colour documentation for this aircraft? Or, some advice on what colours it would probably have had? This is an interesting looking aircraft actually, it has the elegant Albatros flying surfaces and flat rear fuselage characteristic of the C series observation planes, but with this big rotary engine and goofy looking fin. I like it a lot. David Wagner Singapore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:51:36 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com (Steven M Perry) To: wwi Subject: Re: Pink Tires Message-ID: <19980217.115137.30830.0.perrysm@juno.com> Thank you kindly sp On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:22:04 -0500 The Shannons writes: >You would be right in assuming that this is the natural rubber. >Lampblack >as an anti-uv/antioxidant material in tires was just getting started >at that >time, and if lampblack was in demand for other uses, it didn't get >used. > >The native color would be a yellow -- like the yellow rubber hose sold >for >science usage -- to beige in tone. Piping Pink would be a bit too >bright, >IMHO, but would be a good basis if a light tan were mixed along with a >touch >of white. I wouldn't worry overmuch about ratios, if you have a >bicycle, a >lot of the tires now have yellow rubber sidewalls -- mix and match? > >perrysm@juno.com wrote: > >> I have seen a couple of references to "pink" as the color called out >for >> some tires. I guess this a form of natural rubber without lamp black >> similar to the "white" rubber tires common to the era. >> >> I have some Model Master "Piping Pink". Can anyone educate me as to >how >> this color should be altered in order to represent the "pink" called >out >> for tires. >> >> TIA >> sp >> >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > >-- >This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon >at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > >History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:21:10 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D XI Message-ID: Sounds like a nice project. Is this to be a flying model ? I will have to check at home, but I think that you will have to tackle the lozenge factor in the scale you are working. I think both of these a/c had 5-color loaenge on their wings. Fuselages were varnished plywood. I should be able to send you some copies of photos and perhaps plans from a book called "Albatros Experimentals" from Albatros Publications. Post a snail mail address. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu >Well, I couldn't find anything in the archives about this one. I'm building >an Albatros D XI , 325mm span. I have good 3-views and plans are drawn up. >I have some black and white photos of both prototypes, but I cannot tell >what colour it would be. At least it doesn't appear to have lozenge pattern >wing fabric, which is a relief. > >I am building 2208/18, the first prototype, with the four blade prop. > >Does anyone know where I can find colour documentation for this aircraft? >Or, some advice on what colours it would probably have had? > >This is an interesting looking aircraft actually, it has the elegant >Albatros flying surfaces and flat rear fuselage characteristic of the C >series observation planes, but with this big rotary engine and goofy looking >fin. I like it a lot. > >David Wagner >Singapore ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 07:15:28 GMT From: Franco Poloni To: wwi Subject: Re: Italia 1997 Message-ID: <199802150715.HAA07270@lo.itline.it> At 18.46 16/02/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi > >I just dropped on this site that contains the winners of the >Italian 1997 plastic modeling exhibition and championship, > >Just have a look at the WW I kits > >Italians shouldn't be allowed to do models, its not fair > > >SALUDOS > >Alberto > > >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3022/ > > Hi Alberto ehm, to tell the truth, Nicholas Poncini, the modeler of two of the wwi aircraft on that page is Swiss, ok, the Italian speech of Switzerland, but definetely not Italian. BTW, he is the winner of the UK championship too,with, if I recall, a Wirraway. anyhow, you should congratulate to the photographer, great job, isn't it?? guess who was???? :^)) Franco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:38:48 -0800 From: "Randy J. Ray" To: wwi Subject: Re: music Message-ID: <199802171938.AA077894328@i2496bs1.nafohq.hp.com> What I play when modeling is more tied to my mood than to being "good modeling music". Usually it's classical, since that helps to calm (thus offsetting the irritant effect of working with photo-etch). I've found Vivaldi to be one of my favorites, especially this CD of bassoon concerti that I have. Randy -- """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Randy J. Ray 408-343-7578 randyr@nafohq.hp.com "Traveling the waves of an infinite ocean, / I feel the deepest devotion." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:56:19 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Decal bummer Message-ID: Dear Matt: Blue Max has been advertising sheets of National Markings, and I believe that French Roundels are among them. If you still have that copy of their future kit announcements that I sent you, check it for French roundels. I know they have recently released Belgian and Italian roundels, so I'm guessing that they have French roundels as well. Also, I do have a couple of the BR French sheets. If you let me know which specific decals you need, I may be able to let you have them. (Although, considering the problems you had with your sheet, I don't know that mine would work any better!) Good luck! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:00:54 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Decal bummer Message-ID: Dear Matt: In my previous message, I mistakenly said "Blue Max," when I should have said, "Pegasus," or even more correctly, "C. Gannon." Still, all the same person/ business operation. I just wanted to make it clear that I'm refering to 1/72, not 1/48 declas, though they may be available in both scales. (Geez, I should have just let this one go without worrying about it, shouldn't I? Oh well, its typed now, so. . .) Ciao! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:17:54 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Italia 1997 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980217171754.00f8bb88@pop.true.net> Hi Franco So it was you taking the photos, well , now that was a superb job now when can I see one of your pieces of work ? come on send something over The Macchi is midway, Franco it is a beautiful kit , it looks incredible I am not sure how to present it, maybe resting in water ? Have you got yours, if not, don't miss this kit UN ABRAZO Alberto At 02:41 PM 17-02-98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Alberto >ehm, to tell the truth, Nicholas Poncini, the modeler of two of the wwi >aircraft on that page is Swiss, ok, the Italian speech of Switzerland, but >definetely not Italian. >BTW, he is the winner of the UK championship too,with, if I recall, a Wirraway. >anyhow, you should congratulate to the photographer, great job, isn't it?? >guess who was???? >:^)) > > > > Franco > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 896 *********************