WWI Digest 895 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Harleyford Fighter Book by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: Harleyford Fighter Book by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Decal bummer by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: Decal bummer by Charles Hart 5) Re: Ferko Photos by djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) 6) Re: Decal bummer by "Patrick Gilmore" 7) Re: WWI Caisson Info Wanted by "Charles Duckworth" 8) Re: Fokker DII Decking question metal or wood? by "Charles Duckworth" 9) Re: New guy: interior colours by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 10) Re: SMER kits, Pfalz non-silver finish by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 11) Re: OTF Model contest by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 12) Re: SE-5a Schweinhund by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 13) RE: WWI digest 889("Schweinhund" SE5a?) by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 14) Re: AEG D.I by Carlos Valdes 15) Italia 1997 by Alberto Rada 16) Re: Re: Decal bummer by JimAlley@aol.com 17) Re: SMER kits, Pfalz non-silver finish by mbittner@juno.com 18) Re: Decal bummer by mbittner@juno.com 19) Attn: MIke Muth by Carlos Valdes 20) Re: Italia 1997 by Carlos Valdes 21) The DR-I by rnrniles@2xtreme.net (Russell W Niles) 22) It pays to loiter, sometimes :-) by "Randy J. Ray" 23) Re: Decal bummer by Ernest Thomas 24) Re: "Coffee Table" Caudron G.3 by REwing@aol.com 25) Re: SMER kits, Pfalz non-silver finish by REwing@aol.com 26) Re: It pays to loiter, sometimes :-) by Ernest Thomas 27) Re: SMER kits, Pfalz non-silver finish by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 28) Blue Max Roland C.II review by Mark K Nelson 29) music by REwing@aol.com 30) Re: New guy: interior colours by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 31) Re: Blue Max Roland C.II review by Ernest Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:04:00 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Harleyford Fighter Book Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-16 12:02:51 EST, you write: << 3. Lamberton, W. M. & E. F. Cheesman. (Eds. ). Fighter Aricraft of the 1914-1918 War. Blue Ridge Summit Harleyford/Aero/Tab 1964. Very Good+, paperback, no dust jacket. Illustrated by b&w Photos. 2nd printing edition. Binding is Paperback. Book# 000514 US$ 15.00. Please contact Booksworth for more information about purchasing this book. >> $15 sounds a little low but this is apparantly the paperback reprint that appeared late 70s? I see these around semi-often, usually in the $20-$30 range Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:04:01 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Harleyford Fighter Book Message-ID: <4ad9992e.34e89bb3@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-16 14:20:44 EST, you write: << This leaves me with some suspicious - the only copies I've ever seen have been hardcover. Was it printed in PAPERBACK?!? -Al > 3. Lamberton, W. M. & E. F. Cheesman. (Eds. ). Fighter Aricraft of the > 1914-1918 War. Blue Ridge Summit > Harleyford/Aero/Tab 1964. Very Good+, paperback, >> Yep- my copy was printed by AERO,Tab Books Inc., Blue Ridge Summit PA 17214 It's word for word and picture for picture - even the intro where it talks of the end of manned fighters in 1960! The cover is the same one on the dust jacket of the old hardback.When this edition was realeased in the late 70s(?) I kept waitng for the bomber book to appear but as far as I know, that never happened.Almost every hobby shop I frequented in those days carried it but I think I got mine ar Walden!( although that may be a case of severe memory fur) Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:20:29 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Decal bummer Message-ID: <19980216.142030.14070.0.mbittner@juno.com> I'm about to start decaling my Johnson Nie.16, pulled out the Blue Rider sheet (since the registry is way better than Americal) and was bummed. The one sheet I have is completely unusable. What has happened is that the "paint" for the images are not on the decal "solution". So, when you cut the "image" out, part of the image stays on the paper, while the decal slides off containing the rest of the image. In no way do I blame Blue Rider, it's just a huge bummer, as this is a wonderful sheet, and it looks like out of the whole sheet I will only be able to use two or three decals. I wish I would have noticed this when I first bought the sheet. Anybody know where I might be able to obtain another? It's Blue Rider, No.BR202, WW1 French Escadrilles. Unfortunately out of print for quite awhile, but you never know when you might get lucky. Also, I was looking at the Americal French decals I own. I have both the Lafayette Escadrille sheet, as well as the cocarde sheet and there are big problems with both sheets. First, the cocarde sheet has areas where you can tell the white was applied first, and then the red over it. You can see a ridge where the red has oversprayed the white. Hard to describe, but I hope you get my gist. Plus, with the Escadrille sheet, the cocarde's are completely unusable. First there's the difference is colors. Not a huge problem, but there are two definite shades of red. Then there's the white bleeding through the red in *all* cocarde's. Finally, there are registration problems all over the place. I know the type of operation Americal has, and I really do appreciate the decals he comes out with. Even though I will still buy Americal decals, I really wish the quality control was a bit better. Does anybody know if anybody else make French cocarde's? Pegasus, maybe? Thanks for the ear(s). Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:06:38 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal bummer Message-ID: Matt writes: >I'm about to start decaling my Johnson Nie.16, pulled out the Blue Rider >sheet (since the registry is way better than Americal) and was bummed. >The one sheet I have is completely unusable. What has happened is that >the "paint" for the images are not on the decal "solution". So, when you >cut the "image" out, part of the image stays on the paper, while the >decal slides off containing the rest of the image. I'm a little unsure of your problem here. The BR sheets are screen printed, just like a lot of other decals, including Americal/Gryphon. The decal paper is impregnated with glue and the screen print inks are applied over this. If one doesn't apply a clear coat (usually as an undercoat to the pigmented inks) what you wind up with is a very, very thin decal that is the layer of the colored ink(s) with a bit of glue sliding on to your model. The bottom line is that all of your colors should be sliding off of your BR sheet and on to your model. If they aren't, perhaps this has something to do with the age of the decals, this paper doesn't last forever, though this remark may inspire tales from the list of using old decals with impunity. OK guys, I'm all (cyber) ears. Matt, I would try applying a coat of clear coat over these decals and trying again. Without seeing the sheet in question, I can't fully interpret your problem. I'm happy to look at it and return it if you want to snail mail it to me and I can report back to the list. > >Also, I was looking at the Americal French decals I own. I have both the >Lafayette Escadrille sheet, as well as the cocarde sheet and there are >big problems with both sheets. First, the cocarde sheet has areas where >you can tell the white was applied first, and then the red over it. You >can see a ridge where the red has oversprayed the white. Hard to >describe, but I hope you get my gist. Plus, with the Escadrille sheet, >the cocarde's are completely unusable. First there's the difference is >colors. Not a huge problem, but there are two definite shades of red. >Then there's the white bleeding through the red in *all* cocarde's. >Finally, there are registration problems all over the place. > First a disclaimer, I didn't print the sheets in question here. There are some practical matters at work here. You want to print on top of a white layer. If the reverse were done there would be definite areas of pink on your coccarde. Same goes for not putting clear ink over printed colors, the results are an inevitable mess. This is not an insoluble problem from a printer's standpoint. Is there that noticeable a difference between the plain and undercoated red areas of the coccarde once it is applied to the model ? This gets into tricky territory, if it were necessary to make a white spot the size of the coccarde, then print the red over it, this would get rid of the ridge and the two red shade problem, but there would be the added trick of having to lay down the red over the white and have none of the latter color peeking through. Charles onetime member of Americal/Gryphon hart@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:25:56 -0600 (CST) From: djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) To: wwi Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: <9802162125.AA19042@deimos.tx.iex.com> > The man in charge of this is really Dr. Larry D. Sall and his email is cited > there so we all can flood him with our letters. This will help! > BTW it came to my mind if they would accept volunteers to help get most item > scanned. Anybody knows how much is the air ticket Prague-Dallas :-) Buy today and it will cost you US $805 see www.travelocity.com for details. Should I call UTD and tell them you are coming? I will volunteer to pcik you up at DFW airport. Doug -- ------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:09:10 -0500 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: Decal bummer Message-ID: <199802162211.RAA27472@sulaco.novagate.net> > Anybody know where I might be able to obtain another? It's Blue Rider, > No.BR202, WW1 French Escadrilles. Unfortunately out of print for quite > awhile, but you never know when you might get lucky. > Is this the 1/48th version or the 1/72nd? I have the 1/48th sheet from Blue Rider with the Nieuport decals still intact. If this is the scale you need let me know. Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:19:03 -0600 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: WWI Caisson Info Wanted Message-ID: <199802162235.QAA20467@mail.primary.net> You might also try the Liberty Memorial in Kansas City, Missouri. Doran Cart is the contact there his telephone number was (3-4 years ago) 816-221-1918. The museum has a large collection of Great War books, uniforms and field equipment. Believe there is an American 75 with a caisson. Also a French 75 and a German 77 (I believe both also have caissons). The museum is closed due to severe rusting of the structural supports holding up the floor to the Memorial but I think Doran is available. Charlie ---------- > From: Suvoroff@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: WWI Caisson Info Wanted > Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 6:25 AM > > What KIND of caisson? Does he know the gun for which this caisson was made? > The nationality even? I have some information on the caisson for the M1897 > French 75mm gun. > > Yours, > James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:28:49 -0600 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Fokker DII Decking question metal or wood? Message-ID: <199802162235.QAA20478@mail.primary.net> Am gathering information on the Fokker D.II so I can start on the Sierra Scale Model in a month or so. In reviewing photos it appears that the fuselage decking is metal but the drawings by Ian Stair in Windsock Vol 7 No. 1 state it's plywood. Photos of a CDL D.I with unpainted metal panels in the same article lead me to believe this is a metal deck and not wood. Am thinking about finishing the D.II in a CDL fuselage with unpainted metalwork and camouflage scheme or brown/green wings and tail. I'd like to get the opinion of the FAQ on this one. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:52:08 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New guy: interior colours Message-ID: <199802162252.RAA16545@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 05:50 PM 2/14/98 -0500, Bill Shatzer wrote: > >Remember, of course, that while the seat back and sides were >aluminum, the bottom portion of the seat was plywood. Doing the >entire seat in natural metal would not be accurate. A good point. I've always been painting my entire seats leather. If I go with metal and wood, would there be any leather at all on the seat...maybe a cushion? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:52:08 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SMER kits, Pfalz non-silver finish Message-ID: <199802162252.RAA16549@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:10 AM 2/15/98 -0500, Steve Borland wrote: > >On a somewhat different topic, I have long had a desire to build a Pfalz DIII, but am >put off by the thought of doing the silver dope. I do not have a airbrush, and silver >is such a tricky colour to brush on. Does the Eduard kit have markings for a >non-silver machine? Steve I know this might be heresy, but I've used Testors German Silver Spray paint and it looks pretty good. I keep mixing spray paint and hand painting and every once in awhile airbrushing. Just a functional schizophrenic when it comes to painting. Mike Muth nb: Hurricane(1/48) and Oef. Albatros(1/72) nl: Lorenna McKennit(Thanks again Matt!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:52:09 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: OTF Model contest Message-ID: <199802162252.RAA16562@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 01:08 AM 2/14/98 -0500, REwing@aol.com wrote: > > ><< For those attending the OTF Seminar in Arizona, they will be > sponsoring a modeling contest again. The last one was great...so many neat > airplanes. Too far for me to transport anything, and after seeing sonme of > the stuff from last time, I'm not sure I've got anything worth showing > anyway....then again, a Nieuport in 1/48 is always an easy quick and dirty > project..... > Mike Muth >> > >I would like to attend this meeting in May. Who should I contact to get more >info? >TIA >-Rick- Rick I've got the stuff back at the office. I'll try and get it back tomorrow and send you the info on Monday. There may be info on the web site, but I'm not sure of the address. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:52:09 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SE-5a Schweinhund Message-ID: <199802162252.RAA16568@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:08 AM 2/13/98 -0500, Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: Grinnell-Milne says, "in addition I hoped soon to have sketched out a >portrait of the Kaiser on the radiator, painted so that when the shutters were >opened and closed rapidly, the Imperial moustaches would wiggle and the eyes >blink-the idea being that a picture of the All Highest might put the enemy >machine-gunners off their aim." Seeing as I started this mess, time to come clean. I sorta remembered seeing a nose/radiator marking on anm SE5a that I wanted to do. I assumed it was on Schweinhund. A mistake, but I lucked out with help from Jim! I went over my SE5a stuff last night and found the marking...it was lettering for "The Artful Dodger". Gwylim Lewis' plane. Sorry for any confusion. Mike Muth Joey, I guess it won't make much of a decal...Never mind ;-{ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:52:09 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: WWI digest 889("Schweinhund" SE5a?) Message-ID: <199802162252.RAA16563@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:36 AM 2/13/98 -0500, Denest, Michael J wrote: >Mike, >There is a left side profile of "Schweinhund" in the appendix section of >"High In The Empty Blue". There is no mention of a face on the >radiator. I am curious about the color scheme for the upper surfaces, >etc. Are the upper surfaces of the wings and tailplane PC 10? Are the >bottom surfaces CDL? It's a very unusual color scheme. I would sure >like to see three views of this aircraft. Mike if you look real close, you can see the PC-10 on the upper wing in the drawing. I looked up the aircraft in the SE5a File. It only mentions the plane that was used during the war: Code letter "W", F-863. I think it was this plane that he later painted after 11-11-18. I do have a photo from Wind in the Wire showing him in the cockpit, but I think it was the PC-10/CDL paint scheme. If you want a copy, let me know. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:25:53 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: AEG D.I Message-ID: <34E7DBF1.53C@conted.gatech.edu> Graham, Here's what Above the Lines has on Walter Hohndorf: Born 10 Nov. 1892 in Prutzke Served as single-seat pilot with FA 12 and 67, KEK Vaux, and Jasta 1, 4, 14. Scored 12 victories between 17 Jan. and 17 Sept. 1916. Awarded Blue Max on 20 July. Killed on 5 Sept. 1917 testing AEG D.I (4400/17), which he had helped to design. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:41:29 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Italia 1997 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980216194129.00f849a4@pop.true.net> Hi I just dropped on this site that contains the winners of the Italian 1997 plastic modeling exhibition and championship, Just have a look at the WW I kits Italians shouldn't be allowed to do models, its not fair SALUDOS Alberto http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3022/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:56:27 EST From: JimAlley@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re: Decal bummer Message-ID: <8ccfa49f.34e8d22d@aol.com> >> Anybody know where I might be able to obtain another? It's Blue Rider, >> No.BR202, WW1 French Escadrilles. Unfortunately out of print for quite >> awhile, but you never know when you might get lucky. If somebody has one, couldn't they copy it onto a sheet of decal film with a color copier? Or would the Decal Piracy Police (Transfer Agents?) come after you? For those who might have been wondering (especially those of you who were nice enough to send me some decal film for experimentation), I have this report: I made a FreeHand file of miscellaneous lozenges and markings. My primary goal was to make that "hand painted lozenge" for the Eduard Hannover -- without having to actually hand-paint anything. I printed my sheet on a 720x720 Epson ink jet printer and then photocopied the sheet onto both a white and a clear sheet of decal film. Surprisingly, the color looks different on the two backings. Maybe that was because the photocopier wasn't totally warmed up... I've had very little time to model lately, so I can't tell you how it looks in place. Jim Alley jimalley@aol.com http://members.aol.com/jimalley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:26:33 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: SMER kits, Pfalz non-silver finish Message-ID: <19980216.183121.4502.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:53:26 -0500 bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) writes: >nb: Hurricane(1/48) and Oef. Albatros(1/72) >nl: Lorenna McKennit(Thanks again Matt!) Well, you might not be perfect with the scale, but at least you have the music right! :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:27:05 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal bummer Message-ID: <19980216.183121.4502.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:15:33 -0500 "Patrick Gilmore" writes: >Is this the 1/48th version or the 1/72nd? I have the 1/48th sheet from Blue >Rider with the Nieuport decals still intact. If this is the scale you need >let me know. It's the 1/72nd one, of course. ;-) Thanks for the offer, though. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:16:59 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Attn: MIke Muth Message-ID: <34E7F5FB.5AF5@conted.gatech.edu> Sorry to take up list bandwith, guys, but two direct replies to Mike had "fatal" delivery errors. Hey Mike, These post cards, roughly 4 1/2 by 6 1/2 inches, are not photos but very nice paintings of the particular a/c in an in-action setting; there will be 60 in the series, with 48 out so far. If you want all of these the total would be $26.75 plus shipping, which should be $3 in the US. BTW, the cards have appeared in a couple of issues of Windsock, if you'd care to look at 'em. Let me know if you're still interested and I'll have a a complete set put aside for you. Payment can be by check. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:30:01 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Italia 1997 Message-ID: <34E7F909.39@conted.gatech.edu> Thanks for the word about this site, Alberto--those models do look great. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:02:45 -0800 From: rnrniles@2xtreme.net (Russell W Niles) To: wwi Subject: The DR-I Message-ID: <19980217030243448.AAA243@73.usr3.2xtreme.net> Greetings all. Its been a long hard battle (and if you were a member of my IPMS chapter, you would have seen part of the fight), but the DR-I is almost complete. I am now down to the end, putting the finishing touches on it. One last little problem to surpass, and she will be complete. Actually as I type this, I am reminded of two last problems and then...... For the list, I have a final question regarding this Aeroplane. What color was the firewall?? I have seen "steel", aluminum color, and wood (doesn't make sense, with the heat). Any one out there got any info/ideas. I have a friend that has a digital camera, and he has accepted the challenge of photographing the bird after completion. I shall then ask Allan if he would be kind enough to put it up on the web page, as I still do not have one even started. Although that too is one of my quests for this new year. With that I will close again. Remeber, IPMS National is less than 5 months away. Santa Clara, here we come. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 rnrniles@2xtreme.net Too close for missles....switching to guns. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:51:33 -0800 From: "Randy J. Ray" To: wwi Subject: It pays to loiter, sometimes :-) Message-ID: <199802170351.AA203707493@i2496bs1.nafohq.hp.com> This past Saturday, my (lengthy) list of errands took me close enough to San Antonio hobbies to duck in for a bit. Even after I'd decided that I wasn't going to get more than a couple of magazines, I went and looked over their healthy selection of Datafiles. As I was doing this, I noticed a couple of guys about my age also rifling through the books, and we ended up chatting. They were trying to choose between Datafiles and Squadron/Signal books on the same subject matter (San Antonio puts their DF's in sealed bags, so these guys were not able to look through the books and see how good they are). After offering some advice on the books, and comparing interests, I found that they knew of IPMS, and had been to the show we'd hosted the previous weekend, but hadn't been to a meeting. So I set them up with dates and times for the meetings and for the weekly BS sessions that some of us have further south at the other main bay area store, D&J. Given that there are only 2-3 of us in either of IPMS/Silicon Valley or IPMS/Fremont, I may have nearly doubled the WWI participation. Not a bad afternoon's work. Randy -- """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Randy J. Ray 408-343-7578 randyr@nafohq.hp.com "Traveling the waves of an infinite ocean, / I feel the deepest devotion." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:09:26 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal bummer Message-ID: <34E91B4A.52E0@bellsouth.net> Charles Hart wrote: > > I'm a little unsure of your problem here. The BR sheets are screen > printed, just like a lot of other decals, including Americal/Gryphon. Snip what you wind up with is a very, very thin decal that > is the layer of the colored ink(s) with a bit of glue sliding on to your > model. The bottom line is that all of your colors should be sliding off of > your BR sheet and on to your model. This has been my experience as well. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:17:15 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: "Coffee Table" Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <7d48a0bc.34e91d5d@aol.com> << I pick up one of these G3 Beasties. Nice "coffee table model". I am in the process of rebuilding the landing gear and boom assemblies with brass and wood. That pot metal is way too brittle. It will easily break in construction. >> Thanks for the warning. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:20:45 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: SMER kits, Pfalz non-silver finish Message-ID: <8985193d.34e91e2f@aol.com> < Inpact made six "Magnificent men.." and four 30's Bipes (different Hawker) >- then sold to Pyro then to Lindberg. > I just picked up the "Boxkite" at a model show. Looking forward to rigging this baby up!! Now....where's my Prozac? :^) -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:32:38 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: It pays to loiter, sometimes :-) Message-ID: <34E920F6.5E50@bellsouth.net> Randy J. Ray wrote: > > This past Saturday, my (lengthy) list of errands took me close enough > to San Antonio hobbies to duck in for a bit. Even after I'd decided > that I wasn't going to get more than a couple of magazines, I went and > looked over their healthy selection of Datafiles. As I was doing this, > I noticed a couple of guys about my age also rifling through the > books, and we ended up chatting. They were trying to choose between > Datafiles and Squadron/Signal books on the same subject matter (San > Antonio puts their DF's in sealed bags, so these guys were not able to > look through the books and see how good they are). After offering some > advice on the books, and comparing interests, I found that they knew > of IPMS, and had been to the show we'd hosted the previous weekend, > but hadn't been to a meeting. So I set them up with dates and times > for the meetings and for the weekly BS sessions that some of us have > further south at the other main bay area store, D&J. Given that there > are only 2-3 of us in either of IPMS/Silicon Valley or IPMS/Fremont, I > may have nearly doubled the WWI participation. > > Not a bad afternoon's work. > > Randy > -- > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > Randy J. Ray 408-343-7578 > randyr@nafohq.hp.com > "Traveling the waves of an infinite ocean, / I feel the deepest devotion." Spread the good word, Brother! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:41:07 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: SMER kits, Pfalz non-silver finish Message-ID: <199802170541.AA15167@ednet1.orednet.org> >< Inpact made six "Magnificent men.." and four 30's Bipes (different Hawker) > >- then sold to Pyro then to Lindberg. > I think Life-Like was in there between Pyro and Lindberg. Actually, remarkable models, considerting the age of the molds. The rigging will, indeed, drive ya' crazy though. Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:41:33 -0700 From: Mark K Nelson To: wwi Subject: Blue Max Roland C.II review Message-ID: Monday February 16, 1998 NOTE: I have not yet built this yet, so this is simply a commentary on accuracy and contents & features. . . WEASEL CLAUSE: I don't sell this kit, I just bought it to build (eventually - some day.) ****************** Blue Max 1/48 Injected Roland C.II: The kit's contents include 5 sprues of light grey plastic injected parts, decals, cast metal bits, 1 small clear plastic sheet, and instructions. The plastic parts include the fuselage halves, upper and lower wings as left and right halves, nose cowling, vertical and horizontal tails, airscrew with spinner, wheels, claw brake, landing gear spreader, tailskid, seats, cockpit floor, engine halves, and interplane struts; cast metal parts include the 'bulkhead' framing, hoop style turnover frame, parabellum with mount, control stick, rudder pedals, landing gear struts, cheek radiators, exhausts, engine valve train, triangular header tank and other engine accessories; decals are for 2 aircraft: Ritter von Schleich's C.II (whale face - see pp 5, 6 and 23 of the datafile - or the Airfix 1/72 kit), and a C.II of kampfgeschwader 1, Staffel 6 (color plate #1 in the Datafile.) The plastic parts feature the usual fine detail typical of Blue Max with subtle rib tapes on the wings and tail, and good detail around the nose. Many of the parts show the easy to clean up chunky flash that is a feature of Pegasus/Blue Max kits. The fuselage is molded in left and right halves. Interior details includes the floor, stick, pilot's bucket seat, gunner's stool, three 'bulkhead' frames (one featuring the instrument panel and fuel panel), and the rudder bar. The engine is in eight parts: two plastic crankcase/cylinder block halves, carbuerator with intake manifold, one style of header tank, two part exhaust, and the two part cam assembly. The upper and lower wings are molded in left and right halves - these simply but up against the fuselage with (really) small tabs for support. The interplane I struts are in the injected parts. No rigging notes are provided. The single sheet of clear (.005?) plastic is for the windows in the fuselage sides - templates are provided on the instruction page. The instructions are simply an exploded drawing of all the parts - there are no step-by-step instructions, although decal and colour notes are provided. Two B&W isometric views are provided on the back of the instructions as a color reference as well as a text description of the planes in question. The 2-color decals are in very good register and include all crosses on white backgrounds, Axial and Roland logos, instrument faces, as well as the whale face and the black bars for the two aircraft modeled. Von Schleich's aircraft appears in the datafile as photos #14, 15 & 66 (I think that the plane in #11, 12 & 13 may be of the same airframe later in life.) The KG1 aircraft is shown in photos #88 and 89. You should probably add the small rounded windscreen, and more detail to the rear of the engine and cockpit sides. Please also note that early C.II (including von Schleich's mount) had a tubular header tank rather than the triangular one provided. It also appears that there were two styles of triangular header tank (short - included, tall - not) and that the second aircraft in this kit had the taller type (groan). Von Schleich's aircraft also needs either an anenometer (as in Datafile photos 11, 12, 13) or an anenometer wearing a fish (photos 14, 15) added to the port wing. The kit is for the C.II so neither of the aircraft have a forward firing gun and one is not included - to add the forward firing gun of the C.IIa you would also have to add the ammo boxes, feed chutes, change the style of the turnover frame, and add some more louvered panels to the nose. The kit scales out virtually spot on with 3-views in the datafiles, although the kit does appear to have a bit too much of a 'pot-belly' (about 1.5mm - insignificant I say!) HITS: Sharp detail, very thin trailing edges. MISS: High Price, 24.99 in UK pounds. Possibly a slightly too deep fuselage. Defecient Instructions. 1/48 Injected Roland C.II: kit #BM201 ****************** No, I haven't built my Sierra (or Merlin PHU-YUCK!) kit either. Speaking of other fine looking aircraft - the Revell-Monogram, Promodeller Me 410 looks to be a truly great kit! _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@v-wave.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:42:14 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: music Message-ID: <560aa345.34e92338@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-16 19:32:27 EST, you write: << >nl: Lorenna McKennit(Thanks again Matt!) >> I received her CD for Christmas and haven't stopped listening to it. But wasn't it Bob P. the one who put us on to her? Good modeling music! -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:02:37 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: New guy: interior colours Message-ID: <199802170602.AA25988@ednet1.orednet.org> Mike Muth writes: >At 05:50 PM 2/14/98 -0500, Bill Shatzer wrote: >> >>Remember, of course, that while the seat back and sides were >>aluminum, the bottom portion of the seat was plywood. Doing the >>entire seat in natural metal would not be accurate. > A good point. I've always been painting my entire seats leather. If >I go with metal and wood, would there be any leather at all on the >seat...maybe a cushion? >Mike Muth A cushion of some type would seem to make a great deal of sense - buzzing around for 90 minutes or 2 hours perched only on a hard plywood seat would tend to lead to a numbness in the buttocks and somewhat hamper "seat of the pants" flying. Still, while photos of German WW1 seats are not exactly common, I can't find any sign of a cushion on the few photos I do have. So, unless someone else has better info, I think the answer might be "maybe". Certainly there were at least some seats without a cushion so you could hardly be criticized for omitting one. Cheers and all, BIll -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:16:09 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Max Roland C.II review Message-ID: <34E92B29.766A@bellsouth.net> Mark K Nelson wrote: > > Monday February 16, 1998 > > NOTE: I have not yet built this yet, so this is simply a commentary on > accuracy and contents & features. . . > > WEASEL CLAUSE: I don't sell this kit, I just bought it to build (eventually > - some day.) > > ****************** > Blue Max 1/48 Injected Roland C.II: > > The kit's contents include 5 sprues of light grey plastic injected parts, > decals, cast metal bits, 1 small clear plastic sheet, and instructions. The > plastic parts include the fuselage halves, upper and lower wings as left > and right halves, nose cowling, vertical and horizontal tails, airscrew > with spinner, wheels, claw brake, landing gear spreader, tailskid, seats, > cockpit floor, engine halves, and interplane struts; cast metal parts > include the 'bulkhead' framing, hoop style turnover frame, parabellum with > mount, control stick, rudder pedals, landing gear struts, cheek radiators, > exhausts, engine valve train, triangular header tank and other engine > accessories; decals are for 2 aircraft: Ritter von Schleich's C.II (whale > face - see pp 5, 6 and 23 of the datafile - or the Airfix 1/72 kit), and a > C.II of kampfgeschwader 1, Staffel 6 (color plate #1 in the Datafile.) > > The plastic parts feature the usual fine detail typical of Blue Max with > subtle rib tapes on the wings and tail, and good detail around the nose. > Many of the parts show the easy to clean up chunky flash that is a feature > of Pegasus/Blue Max kits. The fuselage is molded in left and right halves. > Interior details includes the floor, stick, pilot's bucket seat, gunner's > stool, three 'bulkhead' frames (one featuring the instrument panel and fuel > panel), and the rudder bar. The engine is in eight parts: two plastic > crankcase/cylinder block halves, carbuerator with intake manifold, one > style of header tank, two part exhaust, and the two part cam assembly. The > upper and lower wings are molded in left and right halves - these simply > but up against the fuselage with (really) small tabs for support. The > interplane I struts are in the injected parts. No rigging notes are > provided. The single sheet of clear (.005?) plastic is for the windows in > the fuselage sides - templates are provided on the instruction page. > > The instructions are simply an exploded drawing of all the parts - there > are no step-by-step instructions, although decal and colour notes are > provided. Two B&W isometric views are provided on the back of the > instructions as a color reference as well as a text description of the > planes in question. > > The 2-color decals are in very good register and include all crosses on > white backgrounds, Axial and Roland logos, instrument faces, as well as the > whale face and the black bars for the two aircraft modeled. Von Schleich's > aircraft appears in the datafile as photos #14, 15 & 66 (I think that the > plane in #11, 12 & 13 may be of the same airframe later in life.) The KG1 > aircraft is shown in photos #88 and 89. > > You should probably add the small rounded windscreen, and more detail to > the rear of the engine and cockpit sides. Please also note that early C.II > (including von Schleich's mount) had a tubular header tank rather than the > triangular one provided. It also appears that there were two styles of > triangular header tank (short - included, tall - not) and that the second > aircraft in this kit had the taller type (groan). Von Schleich's aircraft > also needs either an anenometer (as in Datafile photos 11, 12, 13) or an > anenometer wearing a fish (photos 14, 15) added to the port wing. > > The kit is for the C.II so neither of the aircraft have a forward firing > gun and one is not included - to add the forward firing gun of the C.IIa > you would also have to add the ammo boxes, feed chutes, change the style of > the turnover frame, and add some more louvered panels to the nose. > > The kit scales out virtually spot on with 3-views in the datafiles, > although the kit does appear to have a bit too much of a 'pot-belly' (about > 1.5mm - insignificant I say!) > > HITS: Sharp detail, very thin trailing edges. > MISS: High Price, 24.99 in UK pounds. Possibly a slightly too deep > fuselage. Defecient Instructions. > > 1/48 Injected Roland C.II: kit #BM201 > > ****************** > > No, I haven't built my Sierra (or Merlin PHU-YUCK!) kit either. > > Speaking of other fine looking aircraft - the Revell-Monogram, Promodeller > Me 410 looks to be a truly great kit! > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) > ------------------------ > mnelson@v-wave.com Thank you. I'll just have to scrounge up the sheckels$$$. .. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 895 *********************