WWI Digest 892 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Ferko Photos by Don Rinker 2) RE: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 3) RE: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) by Matthew Zivich 4) Re: German Purple / list library 'lending' by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 5) Re: New guy: interior colours by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 6) Re: comparing the journals/mag by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 7) Re: Ferko Photos by "Douglas R. Jones" 8) Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 9) Re: Ferko Photos by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: Ferko Photos by Bob Pearson 11) Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) by Ernest Thomas 12) Re: New guy: interior colours by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: Glencoe Nieuport N.28 help by "Charles Duckworth" 14) Humbrol conversion chart by perrysm@juno.com 15) Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) by Ernest Thomas 16) Re: Glencoe Nieuport N.28 help by "Patrick Gilmore" 17) Re: Caudron G.3 by Alberto Rada 18) Journey Into 1/48 Part 4 by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 19) Pegasus LVG C.VI by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 20) Re: Caudron G.3 by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 21) Re: Ferko Photos-off topic Tudball by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: Glencoe Nieuport N.28 help by KarrArt@aol.com 23) Re: Ferko Photos by infosilver@czechia.com 24) RE: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) by infosilver@czechia.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:14:08 -0500 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: <34E5FB10.5F41@fast.net> rojo1@concentric.net wrote: > This is fairly typical of the behavior of library catalogers > everywhere, particularly those associated with academe. They insist > that they can't allow access to archival materials until it is > catalogued, because of the risk of thefts going undetected. Ive encountered this at a local University. Last year one of their own staff ripped them off for a 150,000.00 Egyptian Neck collar. Hw was the one entrusted with the collection. The stuff is so far down in the sub basements, no one ever knew it was gone until months later, and only by accident. In their quest to "protect" and "reserve" history, they just squirrl it awy until its forgotten. < Cut to Scene of the Ark in Indiana Jones being Wheeled into the Warehouse> > I think that the Ferko collection staff should not worry about the > lengthy process of cataloging and should instead start feeding as > much stuff as possible through the scanner, together with a standard > notice of the picture's provenance. Making this material generally > available in electronic form would be the best protection possible > for the materials and not too expensive (photow are easier than > books or Etruscan vases). Originals from the collection would be > impossible to sell on the legitimate market and pressure for physical > access by enthusiasts would lessen considerably. > > I have no idea who to contact at the institution in question, but if > anyone would like to forward these remarks to them feel free. > > Total agreement here. Some one with some good literary skills ( any volunteers ?) should draft a letter that we can all download, print out and sign, essentially requesting poilitely that they get off their asses and do something, instaed of waiting for the million year old volunteer to recover from his stroke, or whatever. If I knew more facts, I'd be tempted to write a letter to OTF, C&C, and WW1 Aero giving them the facts, and reqesting their meberships assistance. This collection is too important to be mismanaged into oblivion. Look at what's happening right now. Sure Doug is "lucky" to be able to see a lot of this stuff, but it would be just as easy for a thief to snag items when no ones looking. I wouldnt be surprised if some has already "been mislaid".. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:21:05 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Message-ID: <01BD395C.2B906620.panz-meador@vsti.com> thanks! say, er, uh, i notice that you're the librarian--how does one go about "checking out" stuff? in particular, i have several of the bound volumes "aircraft in profile" series (from my previous teen-age life as a modeler), but not vol. 2 (i think) which featured the fokker d-vii. for completemess, i'd like to get a copy. how does one go about that? also, has anyone ever put together a table for aircraft characterization? what i'm thinking this would look like would be a spreadsheet-type thing with (maybe) time as the horizontal axis and the vertical axis being, say, aircraft manufacturers, e.g. AGO, Albatross,...,Siemens, Zeppelin-Lindau, Zeppelin-Staaken. horizontal bars could represent a/c production, or production/serial-number lots, with annotations giving typical period color schemes or at least noting when certain schemes were introduced (german purple/dk. green) or fell into disuse (brown/dk. green). what got me to thinking about this was the questions concerning the color scheme of the caudron g.3 in chineese service (CDL vs. aluminum dope)--sure enough, an examination of photos clearly show translucent wings. one fellow pointed out that production of the g.3 was complete by the time the aluminized finish was introduced. would there be an interest in this type of chart? phillip -----Original Message----- From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin [SMTP:mgoodwin@ricochet.net] Sent: Friday, February 13, 1998 6:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > any paint recommendations for the brown that the purple/mauve replaced in 1917? FWIW, My personal choices are: Floquil Italian brown, Testors rust or burnt sienna. Tone to taste, serve either brickish or brownish with dark green on the side. Prosit, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:25:26 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Message-ID: Humbrol makes a purple (#68) that I used on my Fok. D-VI (according to Munson) which worked out well. That would be a true purple not falling into the extremes of red or blue at the opposite ends of the purple range. Humbrol also makes a "German WWI Purple" as it is so labeled on the lid that is a red/maroon hue. I don't remember the # on the lid. Matt Z. On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > so polly-S or Xtracolor it is for purple. i see polly-S also makes a color > described as french/fokker dark green (FS34096), which is an agressively > dark green. is there agreement that this is a good shade? > > any paint recommendations for the brown that the purple/mauve replaced in > 1917? > > TIA, > > phillip anz-meador > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary-Ann/Michael [SMTP:bucky@mail.ptd.net] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 7:20 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) > > At 07:22 PM 2/10/98 -0500, Shane Weier wrote: > > > >Back to my question. > > >Allowing that I'm not all that pedantic, and that artists impressions > >might not be within miles of reality, does anyone care to publish > >*their* personal choice or mix for the colour? > > Shane > I've aalways liked the Poly S version...dark but clearly a deep > purple...please no Duh Duh Duh, Duh Duh Duh Duh threads!!!!! > Mike Muth > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:49:08 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: German Purple / list library 'lending' Message-ID: <34E61154.2E7D@ricochet.net> Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > > thanks! > > say, er, uh, i notice that you're the librarian--how does one go about > "checking out" stuff? in particular, i have several of the bound volumes > "aircraft in profile" series (from my previous teen-age life as a modeler), > but not vol. 2 (i think) which featured the fokker d-vii. for > completemess, i'd like to get a copy. how does one go about that? Post your address and I'll send you a copy of the D.VII Profile. Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:46:13 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: New guy: interior colours Message-ID: <199802142246.AA14262@ednet1.orednet.org> Patrick Gilmore writes: -good stuff snipped_ >-there seems to be some question as to how the pilots seat was painted. I >have read that the seats were sometimes left unpainted in natural metal, >sometimes covered in the same exterior fabric as the fuselage and sometimes >overpainted in some color or the other. Remember, of course, that while the seat back and sides were aluminum, the bottom portion of the seat was plywood. Doing the entire seat in natural metal would not be accurate. Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:50:26 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: comparing the journals/mag Message-ID: <199802142250.AA15495@ednet1.orednet.org> Robert writes: >OtF is "e-mailable"- there's even a pretty good website with a "how do I join" >section.I can't remember the URL but it may be as simple as >www.overthefront.com EXACTLY right! Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:30:49 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980214173048.006b7208@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 03:17 PM 2/14/98 -0500, Don wrote: >rojo1@concentric.net wrote: >> I think that the Ferko collection staff should not worry about the>> lengthy process of cataloging and should instead start feeding as >> much stuff as possible through the scanner, together with a standard >> notice of the picture's provenance. Making this material generally >> available in electronic form would be the best protection possible >> for the materials and not too expensive (photow are easier than >> books or Etruscan vases). Originals from the collection would be >> impossible to sell on the legitimate market and pressure for physical >> access by enthusiasts would lessen considerably. >> >> I have no idea who to contact at the institution in question, but if >> anyone would like to forward these remarks to them feel free. >> >> > >Total agreement here. Some one with some good literary skills ( any >volunteers ?) >should draft a letter that we can all download, print out and sign, >essentially requesting poilitely that they get off their asses and do >something, instaed of waiting for the million year old volunteer to >recover from his stroke, or whatever. > >If I knew more facts, I'd be tempted to write a letter to OTF, C&C, and >WW1 Aero >giving them the facts, and reqesting their meberships assistance. This >collection is too important to be mismanaged into oblivion. > >Look at what's happening right now. Sure Doug is "lucky" to be able to >see a lot of this stuff, but it would be just as easy for a thief to >snag items when no ones looking. I wouldnt be surprised if some has >already "been mislaid".. > Wow guys! Yours truly has seen exactly 1 (count 'em) one photo album and 1 (count 'em) one small box of say 30 photos/sanke cards! These items in the collection are protected. Just as all the materials are protected. You want to see something for research, you go to the catalog, select what you need and they bring it out to you. I would guess this is how most research archives work. They will give a tour just for walking up and asking! That's what I did. In fact the day went something like this. I went in and asked to see the library. They said I could have a tour. I said great! And was shown through the stacks. I also saw a small room where most of Mr. Ferko's items are. This is where I learned about the man and the stroke. I got to look through some of the books in the stacks. She explained how folks come and do research and she explained about the volunteers. When she showed the me the books they were trying to seel I told her about this list. I asked if they would like me to post the book list here. She needed to talk to someone else and while we were waiting for that person to return from lunch I noticed the photo albums in a locked glass cabinet. They are in the area where tables are set up for folks to look at the materials they request. She asked if I would like to see one. As you can imagine my response was yes. She said she had to get permission. A few minutes later she returned with the gloves and some forms. The forms outlined the rules for viewing ANY of the materials in the library and I had to sign my name etc. Then I put on the gloves, got the album and sat at the table looking at it. During this time I meet Dr Sal. I told him out the WWI list and spoke with him about posting the book list. The rest you guys know. It was pretty simple. I asked to help, they accepted. They asked if I would like to see an album, I accepted. The items in the collection were visited last summer by 3 or 4 of the major names who write the books we like to buy. They have been through the collection. So I suspect we will see more about this stuff in the near future. I cannot answer as to why things are going so slowly. Do you think it just might be something so simple as NO HELP! These kinds of organizations run on shoe string budgets. The UT system provides money for the head man, a catalog person and the secretary. Everything else is done by volunteers. This is the situation as it was relayed to me. I have no reason to believe anything else. Aviation is not the only special collection they have! They have several from stamps to flowers. It is beginning to sound like another conspiracy theory developing. If you paid $100K for something you might be a wee bit protective of it as well! But I doubt there is some nefarious plot by the UTD staff to keep this stuff out of the public eye. They would like nothing better than to scan these photos and put them on CDROMs or other such storage. I was told this specifically! I know for a fact that one of our list members will be contacting them next week to volunteer his time to help with the Ferko collection. I wish I could do the same but I am over committed. The gentleman in charge is Dr. Larry Sal, I believe. I am sure he can be reached at the same address and phone number that you folks have been using to buy books. I have spoken with him briefly and he seems like a nice fellow. Why not call him and rip him on the phone! I will find out if he has an email address and you guys can email him. Snail mail should also work. If I get the chance next week to go over there I will try and get a meeting with him to ask him some of these rather poignant questions. I just wonder how welcome I will be after that. Perhaps a wiser approach may be to approach UTD with offers of help. Cash, volunteer time, whatever! Buying books helps because it puts money into the coffers. They appreciate your help by buying their surplus books. I know this for a fact. Until I mentioned to them about this list they had never considered that there may be a group like this in the world! I did this purely by happenstance. At first I was glad I did. Maybe everyone could take a week off, fly here and offer to spend a week in the archives! That should allow the work to get done in a very timely fashion! If the list members would like, I will print out any email you care to send and hand carry them to the staff at UTD. I will not edit them in any fashion. They will be presented EXACTLY as you send them to me. So fire away! I am sure they will be interested in your comments and criticisms. Please send any positive ideas you have on how they can get this work done. I am sure they will be interested in this as well. I was chastised yesterday for talking about what I have seen, when people who have donated cold hard cash haven't. OK. I can live with this. I won't do it again should I be accorded the privileged of seeing anymore of the material. However, I'd like to think that I was accorded this rare privileged because I showed up on the door and tried to do something to help. I didn't ask for anything and I didn't demand anything. I offered to help. What's the old saying, "you attract more flies with honey than vinegar"?? Think about it. Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:37:44 -0600 (CST) From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Message-ID: snip >I don't quite know what the latest is with Humbrol - I still see racks of >tins in all the model shops but have not felt the need to venture into >their paint-mixing system. I don't know if the idea is to replace these >eventually with the mixer kit. >Has anybody else tried this yet? Maybe its nice and easy but it just seems >a lot of trouble as far as I can see. Am I wrong? When Humbrol had the fire in the warehouse about 8 years ago, it destroyed almost all of the packagered paints. When they started to take a close look at the line, it was apparant that many of the colors were all the same with different names. The basic line of colors was not changed, but the names were reduced to a series of common color names. As an example, they had Night Black, Scale Black, Flat Black, Dirty Black, French Black and several other Blacks. The new system just took one tin and called it Flat Black. The new color mixing system just takes the basic colors for each country (US FS#), time period (German WWII), subject (US Navy) etc and lists them in a single section. They then either give you the current Humbrol color that matches or tells you which colors and what percentage to mix to get the proper match. There are no new colors. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:11:41 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: <34E632BD.1A76@bellsouth.net> Don Rinker wrote: What I may do is scan the photos and send them to Allan for > inclusion on the CD, dunno yet.. A capitol idea! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:23:34 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: <00233473101752@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all (and in particular Doug), > The gentleman in charge is Dr. Larry Sal, I believe. I am sure he can be > reached at the same address and phone number that you folks have been using > to buy books. I have spoken with him briefly and he seems like a nice > fellow. Why not call him and rip him on the phone! I will find out if he > has an email address and you guys can email him. Snail mail should also work. > Until I mentioned to them about this list they had never > considered that there may be a group like this in the world! I did this > purely by happenstance. I'm surprised by this as Larry Sall - I'm sure I have his card around somewhere - was at the 1996 OTF seminar in Washington (anyone remember the 'sidecar party' , he was in the room). In fact he invited OTF to have our 1998 seminar in Dallas, and it was the front runner until Phoenix got the nod (some of us younger members tried to get Rhinebecka s the seminar site - we had an itinerary made up and everything - but the powers-that-be thought it would be too hard for some of the members to get there easily (really, if I can get there from Northern BC each year . . . ) > I was chastised yesterday for talking about what I have seen, when people > who have donated cold hard cash haven't. OK. I can live with this. I won't > do it again should I be accorded the privileged of seeing anymore of the > material. However, I'd like to think that I was accorded this rare > privileged because I showed up on the door and tried to do something to > help. I didn't ask for anything and I didn't demand anything. I offered to > help. What's the old saying, "you attract more flies with honey than > vinegar"?? I didn't take the comments as directed towards you personally, and if they were than they were just sour grapes. Personally I say if you get the chance to view the collection again, I (and I'm sure the rest of the list) would love to hear about what is there. I never got the chance to see his collection, but I have come across parts of it via Stewart Taylor and a couple of others and can only welcome anything else we can learn of it Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:19:30 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Message-ID: <34E63492.50E@bellsouth.net> > would there be an interest in this type of chart? > > phillip I think that would be a good general reference to keep people like me from making blunders. Anyone else? Ernest. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:42:55 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: New guy: interior colours Message-ID: <34E63A0F.5A18@bellsouth.net> D. Anderson wrote: > > At 01:26 PM 14/02/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Hope this is a help. > > Indeed it is; thank you very much for your time. > > Just one further question though. You say that the interior of a > lozenge-covered aircraft would show a faint bleed-through of the exterior > lozenge pattern. I haven't made a final decision on which aircraft I'm > going to finish the D.VII as, but it will probably be Lnt. Veltejn's blue > and red one. Am I correct in assuming that these colours would have been > painted or doped over the factory-applied lozenge fabric, and so that a > blue/red-fuselaged aircraft would still show the lozenge in the interior? > > >Patrick Gilmore > > > > > > Dane Dane, Other people might do it different ways, But here's what I did with my red fuselage'd D-VII. I used the underside lozenge on the inside of the fuselage because it's lighter and then thinned the red paint a little and put 1 or 2 light coats over the decal to imply red bleeding through over the lozenge print. Then I painted all the tube structures light grey/blue/green. No one has ever criticized it and it took first place at the regionals in Houston this past summer. Hope this helps a little. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:28:49 -0600 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Glencoe Nieuport N.28 help Message-ID: <199802150133.TAA26672@mail.primary.net> Wondering if anyone has ideas for redoing the Glencoe fuselage stringers on their re-issue of the Aurora Nieuport N.28. I filled the impressions with Dr. Micro putty and wet/dry sanded which filled the deep grooves but when sanding saw that the ribs were not totally straight. Good news is the wing rib stations match the DF and only had to rescore the bottom wing where the decal impressions were removed by Glencoe. The pilot cutout on the top wing is too deep so I cut a new pattern from the base as similiar plastic seems to glue/bond together better. Fuselage doesn't look bad but before I get too far into this project am wondering how others on the FAQ tackled this model. Decals are great. Rimmel advises Nieuport 10/12 next out, then Halberstadt CV, Martinside G.100, LVG CV and DH9 for 1998. Personally would like to see the DH4 before the DH9 with Glencoe releasing the old Aurora kit. Thanks for any help on the above, Charlie nr: Datafile AEG C.IV (arrived today) with 1/48th Sierra Fokker D.II looks like a great model. nl: No Doubt (not my choice! 13 year old daughter has a slumber party starting and wife, I and 8 year old son have to get lost for few hours!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:50:23 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Humbrol conversion chart Message-ID: <19980214.205050.10902.1.perrysm@juno.com> This may be old news, but there is a Humbrol conversion chart available at the following url: www.swan.ac.uk/mateng/gavins/humcht1.htm If you haven't seen it, it's worth getting. sp _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:16:19 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Message-ID: <34E64FF3.2875@bellsouth.net> Matthew Zivich wrote: > > Humbrol makes a purple (#68) that I used on my Fok. D-VI (according to > Munson) which worked out well. That would be a true purple not falling > into the extremes of red or blue at the opposite ends of the purple range. > Humbrol also makes a "German > WWI Purple" as it is so labeled on the lid that is a red/maroon hue. I > don't remember the # on the lid. > > Matt Z. > Matt, I've been tossing around the idea of doing my D-VI in that Munson green & purple cammo. You do mean the one with the white letter "A" on the top wing, don't you? How did yours come out? Did you do a soft edge cammo or a hard edge? Would you have any pictures scanned that I could see? Just fishing for some ideas... Thanks Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:20:42 -0500 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: Glencoe Nieuport N.28 help Message-ID: <199802150222.VAA08860@sulaco.novagate.net> > Wondering if anyone has ideas for redoing the Glencoe fuselage stringers on > their re-issue of the Aurora > Nieuport N.28. I filled the impressions with Dr. Micro putty and wet/dry > sanded which filled the deep grooves but when sanding saw that the ribs > were not totally straight. > > Fuselage doesn't look bad but before I get too far into this project am > wondering how others on the FAQ tackled this model. Decals are great. > I think the big problem with the Glencoe N28 fuselage is that there are too many stringers to begin with plus it is too deep. I wrestled with one of these for a long time and then gave in and got the Blue Max N28 which has a fantasic fuselage. If you dont want to shell out the funds to get that kit, to solve the stringer problem you might remove all existing stringer detail, glue brass wire at the accurate stations and then use putty over that. You may also wish to lengthen the fuselage and modify the mounting point for the horizontal stab as well. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:02:47 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980214180247.00f7e19c@pop.true.net> Hi Rick I also have the Metrop kit, but it is a project for next year, Venezuela ( my country ) bought two of these planes back in the 20ths, and one of them has been restored and is exibited in our aeronautical museum, the engine they placed is not the proper one and I have some doubths on the instruments, but structure etc. was a very good job, is there is interest I can take some photos of specific details wanted, nevertheless there are some good photos on the web on this plane SALUDOS Alberto At 12:20 AM 14-02-98 -0500, you wrote: > > ><< BTW, are you building the wonderful Rosemont kit?>> > >Thanks Matt, > > I'm thinking of building the 1/24th Metrop kit, but without usint the >fabris paper they provide. I've had this kit for about 12-15 years and think >it could look fairly grand. I'll have to see if I can get the references you >quoted at the local library. > >-Rick- > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:46:31 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Journey Into 1/48 Part 4 Message-ID: Hey, it's been a while, but Baumer's Dr.I is still on the workbench, and has actually moved forward since last September (when I last wrote on this subject). This project got a big leg-up when Barry over at Rosemont answered my call for C&C v23 #4. Here was the "last piece of the puzzle," as far as my research was concerned. Baumer and 204/17 get 17 pages and several photos in this issue. Barry supplied excellent photocopies. Thanks, Barry, many times over! Some of these photos have been published in other reference works, but one stood out, confirming a suspicion I had about this machine. On page 331, there is a photo of Baumer standing next to 204/17 in May, '18. All the late markings are evident in this photo. Of most interest to me, however,is the distinctive Axial propeller. Pictures of this machine earlier in March 1918 show an allied propeller, indicating the use of a captured engine. I suspected the machine had undergone an engine change to the Oberursel, and this photo seems to confirm that. Incidentaly, I was under the impression that Baumer scored 4 kills in 204/17 from March-May '18, but the C&C article questions this assumption. It appears that 2 of these four victories may have been scored in his Albatros. Now, back to the modeling project. The lower wing attachment was somewhat probelmatic. The spar connecting the lower wing halves doesn't fit neatly into the under-fuselage slot. In fact, the fit is very poor. A lot of filing and sanding was necessary to smooth out the joint. I knew at some point I was going to have to tackle the intricasies of the streaked Fokker factory finish. The method I decided to use was a smooth enamel base coat of light ivory tan, with acrylic Polly S Fokker Green lightly brushed over top. Boy, did this turn out to be a chore! Each surface of the model covered with the streaks was done and redone no fewer than three times. Dissatisfied with each green application, I "windexed" off the acrylic and started over. I wanted to get a light streaking effect as shown in the numerous photos of this aircraft, but whenever I tried, it didn't look right. The lighter the streaks, the sloppier the finish looked. Even though photos clearly show that this plane looked like a mess, with the green very poorly applied, when I tried to replicate this, it just looked like I didn't know how to handle a paint brush - it looked horrible. After many tries, I finally settled on a darker, more tidy application of the olive streaks. It may not be authentic, but it also doesn't look like I'm a painting spaz. This machine had upper surface crosses on its lower wings which were overpainted in May. To replicate this, I've painted darker olive patches where the crosses first appeared in March. I've acquired some "smoke" coloured invisible thread for the bracing/flying wires at the suggestion of several list members. At a distance, this stuff looks very good, but close up, the colour of my thread is actually brown. I may paint the thread on the finished model if it doesn't look right. No doubt, I'll botch the job and wish I used the thicker wire supplied with the kit! The going is slow on this 1/48 kit because I don't want to mess it up too badly and it is intimidating. I'm working on several other 1/72 pieces at the same time, and they do get the lion's share of my attention, but 204/17 will eventually reach the stages of final assembly. Next up are the wing ties, wing stripe decals and tailplane. I have a feeling this project will drift through the summer. Oh well! Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:47:21 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Pegasus LVG C.VI Message-ID: To the list: Since I've recently started this kit - thought I'd give a review of the build so far. This is a 1/72 limited run. The mouldings are OK, but there are a few problems which I haven't seen in some of the more recent releases from Pegasus. The wings and tailplane of my model came warped. Repeated applications of the hair dryer haven't completely fixed this problem. It may be because (or in spite) of the very soft plastic. I'm happy with the kit so far, but the worst problem has been the mismatched fuselage halves. The left side is a few mm longer than the right, so the cutouts and panel lines don't perfectly match up. More seriously, the outline of the two sides, both in plan and elevation, are dissimilar. Though not too pronounced, I'm afraid that when the kit is painted and finished, this may stand out as a severe defect. I sanded away an amount of plastic I felt comfortable with in order to make the halves more similar and rescribed the panel lines, but I fear it's not enough. The engine is very nice, and the cockpit interior went in OK, but the "floor" that everything is mounted on is too long, so the items didn't line up with the cut-outs. I cut appart the "floor" in order to line things up better. After closing the fuselage and puttying/sanding like crazy, I moved on to the tailplane. I cut this apart and glued the stabilizers on seperately. The elevator on its own is badly warped and will need more work before it is lozenged and attached. The lower wings went on next. This has been one of the more challenging aspects of the model. There are no "attachement points" or "assembly tabs" for the lower wings, just an indication on the sides of the fuselage where the roots are to be glued. Even using crazy glue, I was worried that the wings would snap off later in construction - so to increase strength, I drilled two sets of two holes through the fuselage at the attachement points, and matching holes in the lower wing roots. I ran copper wire through the fuselage holes and glued these in. Trimming the protrusions to the depth of the wing root holes, I super glued the wings, setting the slight .5 degree dihedral (as per Janes). I had previously assembled the upper wing (which came in three parts) - no problems there, and the radiator/fuel tank details are quite nice. The kit comes without interplane struts, so I carved mine from bamboo cocktail sticks at the suggestion of a previous list posting. What a great method! This bamboo sands down real nice. After applying CA, drying and re-sanding, I've got a set of excellent, strong struts. This was a lot easier than I thought it would be, and I'll be using this method when I move on to my first vac, sometime down the road. This is where the model sits now. I've puttyed and sanded the stabilizers and lower wing roots. Next I'll give the kit a wash, mask the cut-outs and spray on a base coat of white. Next, the fuselage will get painted wood, and then the lozenge (Aeromaster 5-colour) will go on the flying surfaces. I'll build the suggested machine with the kit decals, and see how it turns out. The metal gun ring, MGs and exhaust stack all look very good with some cleaning up. The lines on the LVG (particularly the wings) are very graceful. I'm looking forward to finishing the kit! Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:49:41 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: Matt asks: >> >> >><< BTW, are you building the wonderful Rosemont kit?>> >> Matt, I've had a look through the Rosemont site, but haven't found reference to the Caudron G.3 kit. What/where is it? Is it 1/72? TIA Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:13:15 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Ferko Photos-off topic Tudball Message-ID: <76a9d788.34e6796d@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-14 14:35:29 EST, you write: << Robert, Tudball was the secretary's boss with the bad hair and the accent. I don't recall the little old man having a name. Bob >> Somehow Conway's shuffling characters blend in my brain! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:23:32 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Nieuport N.28 help Message-ID: <7b409d1d.34e67bd6@aol.com> I can't really offer any help on the Glencoe Nieuport 28 fuselage- just commiseration.When I did the 94th Squadron diorama I needed a ton of 28's and I had to break down and get the Blue Max kits just for the fuselages- almost everything else was Glencoe.It was easier to bring the Glencoe flying surfaces up to a high level than using the Blue Max parts- they ARE better out of the box but the Glencoes are better to work with. I tried all sorts of things to make the Glencoe fuselages accurate but I failed- also be aware that it's not just the deep trenches between the stringers- more importantly the number of stringers is incorrect- there's far too many which distorts the contours, throws off the markings and generally gives a completely false impression of a real 28. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 07:32:35 -01 From: infosilver@czechia.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: Hi all, to add something to very interesting and vivid discussion on late Mr. Ferko's collection I did a little search on web and found UTD Special Aviation Collections site at: http://www.utdallas.edu/library/special/aviation/ww1gind.html The man in charge of this is really Dr. Larry D. Sall and his email is cited there so we all can flood him with our letters. BTW it came to my mind if they would accept volunteers to help get most item scanned. Anybody knows how much is the air ticket Prague-Dallas :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 07:45:00 -01 From: infosilver@czechia.com To: wwi Subject: RE: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:25:43 -0500 Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: >so polly-S or Xtracolor it is for purple. i see polly-S also makes a color >described as french/fokker dark green (FS34096), which is an agressively >dark green. is there agreement that this is a good shade? > >any paint recommendations for the brown that the purple/mauve replaced in >1917? > >TIA, > >phillip anz-meador > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mary-Ann/Michael [SMTP:bucky@mail.ptd.net] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 7:20 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) > >At 07:22 PM 2/10/98 -0500, Shane Weier wrote: >> >>Back to my question. > >>Allowing that I'm not all that pedantic, and that artists impressions >>might not be within miles of reality, does anyone care to publish >>*their* personal choice or mix for the colour? > >Shane > I've aalways liked the Poly S version...dark but clearly a deep >purple...please no Duh Duh Duh, Duh Duh Duh Duh threads!!!!! >Mike Muth > FWIW for my colleagues colour scientists :-) there's Munsell own site on the WWW at: http://www.munsell.com The site features (possibly great) free software enabling to convert Munsell codes to many other stadards including CMYK. Unfortunately, the soft runs on 32-bit WINs only and I'm unable to use it. I would be very grateful if someone who tries this soft could drop me a line on how much it is useful Ivan Subrt ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 892 *********************