WWI Digest 891 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Caudron G.3 by REwing@aol.com 2) Re: Caudron G.3 by REwing@aol.com 3) Re: Caudron G.3 by Bill Bacon 4) Re: Caudron G.3 by REwing@aol.com 5) Re: OTF Model contest by REwing@aol.com 6) Re: Caudron G.3 by REwing@aol.com 7) Re: Caudron G.3 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 8) RE: Caudron G.3 by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 9) Re: Caudron G.3 by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: Blue Max Roland by Ernest Thomas 11) RE: Caudron G.3 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 12) Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) by "Sandy Adam" 13) Hannants - was Blue Max Roland by "Sandy Adam" 14) Re: Ferko Photos by "Sandy Adam" 15) Re: Ferko Photos by Don Rinker 16) Re: Ferko Photos by mbittner@juno.com 17) Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) by Ernest Thomas 18) Re: comparing the journals/mag by Joey Valenciano 19) Librarian's pick of the month: Osprey'sThe Renault FT Light Tank book by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 20) New guy: interior colours by "D. Anderson" 21) Re: comparing the journals/mag by mbittner@juno.com 22) Re: Librarian's pick of the month: Osprey'sThe Renault FT by mbittner@juno.com 23) Re: New guy: interior colours by "Patrick Gilmore" 24) Re: New guy: interior colours by "D. Anderson" 25) Re: New guy: interior colours by "Patrick Gilmore" 26) Re: Propagteam/Smer Decals by 27) Re: Ferko Photos by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: comparing the journals/mag by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Re: Ferko Photos by Bob Pearson 30) Re: Ferko Photos by rojo1@concentric.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:19:56 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: << ...i've got the old "combat aeroplanes of ww1" which features a color 3-view and 2 pages of profiles of this bird (french, chinese republic, and finnish markings... >> I also have this book, and thought it would look cool to do the Chinese version. I need the basic color of the plane-CDL or silver or ???- since I suspect the drawings in the book somewhat. Thanks for the help. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:24:10 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <5f37bb09.34e52a7c@aol.com> << I can copy the G.3 chapter out of the WWI Color profiles book and mail it to you if you give me your snail-mail address. >> Ernest, if this isn't the same as the other book I would like to get them from you. Thanks, -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:53:45 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <34E53169.9081ED9@netjava.net> Rick, A bit late but in amongst my books I found french monograph on Caudron A/C which has a good bit on the G3. It was my fathers and he got it while in pilot training in France. It is written in French but you are werlcome to a copy. Cheers, Bill B. REwing@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone possible direct me to or send me details and/or photos of this > aircraft. I would appreciate any and all help. > TIA, > -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:58:02 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <1f0554a9.34e5326d@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-12 08:26:36 EST, you write: << Here's what I found, it's not much. "Great bathtub shot C&C Vol 27 No 2". Damned if I can remember what I meant by that, unless it just shows the cockpit. If you want a copy, let me know. Mike Muth >> Thanks Mike. I would like a "bathtub" shot. My snail-mail is: Rick Ewing 9037 Meadowsweet Way Elk Grove, CA 95624-2739 -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 01:05:03 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: OTF Model contest Message-ID: << For those attending the OTF Seminar in Arizona, they will be sponsoring a modeling contest again. The last one was great...so many neat airplanes. Too far for me to transport anything, and after seeing sonme of the stuff from last time, I'm not sure I've got anything worth showing anyway....then again, a Nieuport in 1/48 is always an easy quick and dirty project..... Mike Muth >> I would like to attend this meeting in May. Who should I contact to get more info? TIA -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 01:18:11 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <227e551a.34e53725@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-14 00:54:10 EST, you write: << Rick, A bit late but in amongst my books I found french monograph on Caudron A/C which has a good bit on the G3. It was my fathers and he got it while in pilot training in France. It is written in French but you are werlcome to a copy. Cheers, Bill B >> Thanks Bill, I would really appreciate a copy. I work with a woman who can translate for me as needed. TIA -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:19:53 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <199802140619.AA28790@ednet1.orednet.org> Rick writes: > ><< ...i've got the old "combat aeroplanes of > ww1" which features a color 3-view and 2 pages of profiles of > this bird (french, chinese republic, and finnish markings... >> > >I also have this book, and thought it would look cool to do the Chinese >version. I need the basic color of the plane-CDL or silver or ???- since I >suspect the drawings in the book somewhat. Thanks for the help. I don't have photos or references on the Chinese bird but all the rest seem to be CDL. Indeed, I believe the G.3 production was completed before the silver dope was adopted. I'd guess that CDL is a pretty good bet for the Chinese examples as well - although photographs could make a liar out of me. Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:23:06 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <01BD38DE.B99225E0.panz-meador@vsti.com> if it's similar to the book's 3-view, it appears to have natural metal/silver painted cowling, aluminum-doped upper surfaces and vertical tail, and CDL undersurfaces. i agree--the chineese g.3 would look striking in this scheme, with 5-color star insignia. don't know about insignia placement (aside from the tail shown in side view) but it would presumably be similar to the french roundel shown in the 3-view, e.g. on top and bottom of upper wing only (BIG ASSUMPTION). perhaps someone with the Flying Machines Press french AF book could corroborate the aluminum dope over CDL scheme??? phillip -----Original Message----- From: REwing@aol.com [SMTP:REwing@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 1998 11:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 << ...i've got the old "combat aeroplanes of ww1" which features a color 3-view and 2 pages of profiles of this bird (french, chinese republic, and finnish markings... >> I also have this book, and thought it would look cool to do the Chinese version. I need the basic color of the plane-CDL or silver or ???- since I suspect the drawings in the book somewhat. Thanks for the help. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:33:33 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <34E53ABD.1969@bellsouth.net> REwing@aol.com wrote: > > << I can copy the G.3 chapter out of the WWI Color profiles book and mail > it to you if you give me your snail-mail address. >> > > Ernest, if this isn't the same as the other book I would like to get them > from you. > Thanks, > > -Rick- Rick, I think it is the same book. "Color Profile of WWI Combat Planes"? 5 view color drawings, done by 2 Italian guys? If not, let me know. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:48:18 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Max Roland Message-ID: <34E53E32.1CC3@bellsouth.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > (Gads can I get one of these past the wife when I've still not built the > beautiful Sierra one yet!) Sandy, When you bring it in the house, walk in backwards. If your wife catches you, tell her you're "going out to sell it to one of your modeling buddies." Ernest Btw, On your urging, I checked out Hannant's for the first time in my life. I saw the Roland(and got that crazed look in my eye) but couldn't seem to find anything else when I looked for more 48 WWI stuff. Is there some trick to it. And have you ordered from these folks before? What's the average postage to the US for say 2 WWI Kits? (I noticed the 30gbp minimum order) E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:40:23 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: RE: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <199802140740.AA27619@ednet1.orednet.org> Phillip writes: -snips- >perhaps someone with the Flying Machines Press french AF book could >corroborate the aluminum dope over CDL scheme??? No trace of aluminum dope in any of the photos in the FMP book. Indeed, there seems to be a considerable translucency in the wings which would seem to preclude any aluminum dope - which was, after all, opaque - or nearly so. The illustrations section has one G.3 which is illustrated in a CDL scheme as well - while I tend to distrust illustrations, this one seems in accordance with the photographs. Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:37:32 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Message-ID: <199802141237.MAA00968@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > > > any paint recommendations for the brown that the purple/mauve replaced in 1917? > Humbrol did a lovely red-brown that I used for a Roland D.II amongst others and of course, as is their wont, they have now stopped making it!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have one tin of the stuff left and I'm scared to finish it, cos I don't know what else I would use. I don't quite know what the latest is with Humbrol - I still see racks of tins in all the model shops but have not felt the need to venture into their paint-mixing system. I don't know if the idea is to replace these eventually with the mixer kit. Has anybody else tried this yet? Maybe its nice and easy but it just seems a lot of trouble as far as I can see. Am I wrong? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:08:14 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Hannants - was Blue Max Roland Message-ID: <199802141237.MAA00972@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Btw, On your urging, I checked out Hannant's for the first time in my > life. I saw the Roland(and got that crazed look in my eye) but couldn't > seem to find anything else when I looked for more 48 WWI stuff. Is there > some trick to it. And have you ordered from these folks before? What's > the average postage to the US for say 2 WWI Kits? (I noticed the 30gbp > minimum order) > > E. Hi Ernest, Hannants have only had their web page operational for a few weeks so it is not comprehensive as yet. I usually check the New Arrivals every week or so, but I must say, apart from the excellent Sales, I usually buy elsewhere. They are about the biggest European kit distributor and supply most of the model shops in the UK and a lot in Europe. Their attitude to the small private postal order is fairly brusque to say the least. I had an email correspondence with them when I was trying to buy some stuff in December that really put me off. I'd sent an order by e-mail (my first to them by this method) and had no acknowledgement so wanted to check if it had arrived safely or not. I phoned and was told that, if it had arrived it would be dealt with in good time, but they couldn't tell me if it had arrived or not. Then they put the phone down on me! Since I was ordering a limited period "Special", I sent an email requesting a) had they got my order or b) should I phone it in instead. I got a two word reply - "Yes. No". I quickly add that I did get my order a week later and I would have no worries about buying from them again - and some things here you can only get from them (eg Falcon BE2c etc), but their UK postage rates are quite high (I don't know US costs I'm afraid) and I can get much friendlier service elsewhere. It doesn't seem to be common elsewhere, but in the UK suppliers will generally offer free p&p on local orders over a certain value. With Aeroclub its 25GBP, with Maintrack its 30GBP, with MCP books its 40GBP (and you get a discount off your next order!). Some offer free shipping on orders to US too, above a certain value. For Blue Max of course you can buy straight from Pegasus and get free p&p worlwide, so if its the Roland you want, then buy it direct from Chris Gannon. Any other UK stuff, I'd suggest Aeroclub, but anything non-UK, why go past Rosemont? (The above is a purely personal view) HTH. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:30:40 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: <199802141237.MAA00965@beryl.sol.co.uk> > List members, please accept my personal thanks (for what it is worth) for > helping UTD dispose of their books. It will help get the various materials > in the collections cataloged and made available so we can all benefit. > > Doug I'm sure nobody would blame you for looking at the contents of the boxes you have seen - I'm also sure each and every one of us would do exactly the same. Seems a hell of a shame that they haven't been able to allow some sort of access to those that have contributed, but I can see how these things could get out of hand. May I just say thank you for bringing the whole thing to our attention and letting us know about it. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:21:15 -0500 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: <34E5A85B.1FC7@fast.net> Doug Jones wrote: > > > You are very fortunate to have such access to this material. I personally > > know someone who contributed US$500.00 toward the purchase of these > > materials (total purchase price was over US$100,000) who has been > > completely shut out from doing research in these collections. The claim by > > the library staff is that the collection must be cataloged before research > > is permitted. Am I the only one that thinks this situation at UTD is a bit sad, bordering on the assinine? Over the years, I had many conversations, and corrospodance with Ed Ferko. As part of this connection, he was generous enough to send me probably well over a hundred original or first generation copy prints off of original negatives. Most if not all have rarely if ever been seen, Almost all are German. When Ed died, and I read in AERO that UTD had purchased his collection and was going to organize it, I was enthusiatic. Not any more. After having spent the reported 100K to purchase these materials, they seem to be using people to catalog it that resemble the Old Tim Conway character of the 90 year old bank clerk from the Carol Burnett Show. For our non USA friends this guy shuffled around at about the speed of tree sap in the winter, and generally never got anything done, except to confuse himself, and frustrate the customers. This is not the first time I've heard about the supposed cataloger either being sick, or having a stroke or whatever. Months and now years goes by and the materials are essentially in the same situation they were when I visited Ed about 10 years ago at his home. I was at one point considering donating my portion of the Ferko collection to UTD. NOT anymore. What I may do is scan the photos and send them to Allan for inclusion on the CD, dunno yet.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:31:44 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: <19980214.083145.18854.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:24:21 -0500 Don Rinker writes: >I was at one point considering donating my portion of the Ferko >collection to UTD. >NOT anymore. What I may do is scan the photos and send them to Allan for >inclusion on the CD, dunno yet.. May I put my vote in for just that? Please? :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:52:36 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Message-ID: <34E5BDC4.2D7D@bellsouth.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > Humbrol did a lovely red-brown that I used for a Roland D.II amongst > others and of course, as is their wont, they have now stopped making > it!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sandy, Is that the red/brown in tin #100? That is bad news if they stoped making that color. It's my favorite base color for leather. I'm going to my local hobby shop right now to stock up on a few tins. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:29:25 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: comparing the journals/mag Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980215012925.006ce0e4@philonline.com.ph> > You can subscribe to C&CI via direct credit card payment to them, .... (big snip) Thanks for the comments, Charles. Does anyone know how to contact these journals/mags (to subscribe/query) via email? C&C ? OtF? WWI Aero? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:43:24 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Librarian's pick of the month: Osprey'sThe Renault FT Light Tank book Message-ID: <34E5D7BC.33B6@ricochet.net> Out of print, but highly recommended for those with even a passing interest in WWI armor, or the history of tanks in general. Although lacking drawings, this book would seem to be a primary reference with its good photo coverage, including post-war service and derivatives. Forty-seven pages, six pages of color plates, including one of crewmen. Did Osprey do one on British tanks Mks I-V? If not any similar good affordable softbound books? My Osprey Renault FT copy is borrowed-is this a rare book these days? What's the going price? Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:41:32 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" To: wwi Subject: New guy: interior colours Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980214104132.006b0bd0@cadvision.com> Hi, I'm new both to the list and to WW I modelling. For my first project I am building the Dragon 1/48 Fokker D.VII; not far behind are the Dr.I and the D.VIII. Anyway, here's my question. Dragon would have me paint the interiors of all these machines olive drab, but this seems odd to me. The little bit of info. I've been able to glean from the Web shows something different. In photos of restored machines, the interior colours seem quite a bit lighter than olive drab. I'm wondering if the "colour" of the interiors wasn't just natural fabric/wood, etc. But maybe not; maybe the Germans painted over the "natural" colours with some sort of primer. So, can anyone help me? Is olive drab correct for Fokker interiors? Dane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:05:11 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: comparing the journals/mag Message-ID: <19980214.120518.11430.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:30:48 -0500 Joey Valenciano writes: >Does anyone know how to contact these journals/mags (to >subscribe/query) >via email? > >C&C ? > >OtF? > >WWI Aero? I'm almost positive none of them are on email. You might have separate members of the organizations as members, but not one big "clearing house". Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:04:03 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Librarian's pick of the month: Osprey'sThe Renault FT Message-ID: <19980214.120518.11430.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:46:25 -0500 Michelle and Rory Goodwin writes: >Out of print, but highly recommended for those with even a passing >interest in WWI armor, or the history of tanks in general. Although >lacking drawings, this book would seem to be a primary reference with >its good photo coverage, including post-war service and derivatives. >Forty-seven pages, six pages of color plates, including one of >crewmen. Yes, a wonderful book. >Did Osprey do one on British tanks Mks I-V? If not any similar good >affordable softbound books? No, not to my knowledge. The other available books on the Mks. I-V are _Landships_ by Fletcher, and there's a Polish publication on the British heavies. I have the first, and Ken has the second, so I have seen them both. The Polish book does contain drawings. Plus, some of the Bellona prints have 1/76th (almost the perfect scale!) drawings of most WW1 British and German tanks. >My Osprey Renault FT copy is borrowed-is this a rare book these days? >What's the going price? I believe it is a rare book, although I have no idea what the going price is. Makes me want to build an Emhar Mk.IV!! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:20:51 -0500 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: New guy: interior colours Message-ID: <199802141822.NAA14266@sulaco.novagate.net> > Hi, I'm new both to the list and to WW I modelling. > > For my first project I am building the Dragon 1/48 Fokker D.VII; not far > behind are the Dr.I and the D.VIII. Anyway, here's my question. Dragon > would have me paint the interiors of all these machines olive drab, but > this seems odd to me. The little bit of info. I've been able to glean from > the Web shows something different. In photos of restored machines, the > interior colours seem quite a bit lighter than olive drab. I'm wondering if > the "colour" of the interiors wasn't just natural fabric/wood, etc. But > maybe not; maybe the Germans painted over the "natural" colours with some > sort of primer. > > So, can anyone help me? Is olive drab correct for Fokker interiors? > > Dane > Well here is how I would (and have) painted the interior of Fokker aircraft: The inside walls of the fuselage color depends on what kind of fabric the plane is covered in: -DRI and early DVII had a streaked dark green over clear-doped-linen (CDL) on the exterior, the interior was unpainted and thus probably a darker version of CDL. I use a darkened version of Polly Scale CDL. -Later DVIIs and DVIIIs had lozenge fabric on the exterior and so the interior was probably a muted reverse of the lozenge fabric. There are many ways to reproduce this and I think there may even be a "reverse" decal availible to use on these interiors. For my models I have simply used lozenge decals on the interior with a light overspray of dark green. -The interior metal fixtures on the insides of Fokker craft is usually agreed upon to be some sort of greenish-grey. I use a Testors Model Masters color for this. I think it is something like "SAC bomber green" but I dont have the paint bottle in front of to make sure. I would just use whatever looks good to you for these items since there is no exact confirmation on this color that I know of. -there seems to be some question as to how the pilots seat was painted. I have read that the seats were sometimes left unpainted in natural metal, sometimes covered in the same exterior fabric as the fuselage and sometimes overpainted in some color or the other. -other fixtures like pumps and instruments I usually paint either black or the above mentioned grey-green. Hope this is a help. Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:33:21 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" To: wwi Subject: Re: New guy: interior colours Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980214113321.006a1440@cadvision.com> At 01:26 PM 14/02/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hope this is a help. Indeed it is; thank you very much for your time. Just one further question though. You say that the interior of a lozenge-covered aircraft would show a faint bleed-through of the exterior lozenge pattern. I haven't made a final decision on which aircraft I'm going to finish the D.VII as, but it will probably be Lnt. Veltejn's blue and red one. Am I correct in assuming that these colours would have been painted or doped over the factory-applied lozenge fabric, and so that a blue/red-fuselaged aircraft would still show the lozenge in the interior? >Patrick Gilmore > > Dane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:52:09 -0500 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: New guy: interior colours Message-ID: <199802141854.NAA15711@sulaco.novagate.net> > >Hope this is a help. > > Indeed it is; thank you very much for your time. > > Just one further question though. You say that the interior of a > lozenge-covered aircraft would show a faint bleed-through of the exterior > lozenge pattern. I haven't made a final decision on which aircraft I'm > going to finish the D.VII as, but it will probably be Lnt. Veltejn's blue > and red one. Am I correct in assuming that these colours would have been > painted or doped over the factory-applied lozenge fabric, and so that a > blue/red-fuselaged aircraft would still show the lozenge in the interior? > > >Patrick Gilmore > > > > > > Dane > Yes, I think that the interior colors should still reflect whatever fabric the aircraft was originally covered in. I can't comment on how the Veltjen's a/c was covered or how early a DVII it was. Maybe someone else on the list has this info. Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:09:39 +0000 From: To: wwi Subject: Re: Propagteam/Smer Decals Message-ID: <199802141915.OAA13076@newman.concentric.net> > Has anyone evolved any good techniques for working with the decals that > come in Smer kits? Will spraying or daubing them with something cure > their tendency to turn under themselves, rip and otherwise make > themselves useless? Spray them with clearcoat while they are still on the sheet. Or coat them with Microscale Liquid Decal film.. Rob Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:14:16 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-14 09:21:39 EST, you write: << they seem to be using people to catalog it that resemble the Old Tim Conway character of the 90 year old bank clerk from the Carol Burnett Show. >> Geez, the crap that's in my brain- I believe the character's name was Mr. Tudball Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:14:12 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: comparing the journals/mag Message-ID: <552df9f9.34e5ed06@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-14 13:07:20 EST, you write: << >OtF? > >WWI Aero? I'm almost positive none of them are on email. You might have separate members of the organizations as members, but not one big "clearing house". >> OtF is "e-mailable"- there's even a pretty good website with a "how do I join" section.I can't remember the URL but it may be as simple as www.overthefront.com Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:37:05 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: <19370577401378@KAIEN.COM> Robert, Tudball was the secretary's boss with the bad hair and the accent. I don't recall the little old man having a name. Bob ---------- > From: KarrArt@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Ferko Photos > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:20:32 -0500 > > In a message dated 98-02-14 09:21:39 EST, you write: > > << they > seem to be using people to catalog it that resemble the Old Tim Conway > character of the 90 year old bank clerk from the Carol Burnett Show. >> > > Geez, the crap that's in my brain- I believe the character's name was Mr. > Tudball > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:31:54 +0000 From: rojo1@concentric.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Ferko Photos Message-ID: <199802141937.OAA20350@cliff.concentric.net> Charles writes: > You are very fortunate to have such access to this material. I personally > know someone who contributed US$500.00 toward the purchase of these > materials (total purchase price was over US$100,000) who has been > completely shut out from doing research in these collections. The claim by > the library staff is that the collection must be cataloged before research > is permitted. This is fairly typical of the behavior of library catalogers everywhere, particularly those associated with academe. They insist that they can't allow access to archival materials until it is catalogued, because of the risk of thefts going undetected. Reasonable enough so far. But then they plead lack of time and too great expense and fuss about for years, exposing the collection to the very dangers they claim to be worried about. Uncatalogued archival materials are VERY vulnerable to pilferage by staff and well-connected experts, particularly when they are left alone for long periods. I know of one case where a rare book librarian at a major university got chummy with a friendly and helpful antiquarian bookseller. The fellow volunteered to do all the valuations for the collection and helped with the cataloging. He helped them weed out all sorts of " valueless, insignificant junk not worth cataloging" and then proceeded to sell it for large sums. Other stuff he bought for himself at ridiculously low prices set by himself, or stole outright. Went at it for years, and, even after he was caught, the collection in question was never willing to admit they had made a mistake and been taken for the proverbial ride. If the library staff is truly unable to complete at least a preliminary inventory of the Ferko collection in a timely fashion, they should, in the interest of security, make sure that as MANY outsiders get to see the material as possible. That way, if something turns up on the collector market, there is a good chance that someone will see it, know its real provenance, and raise the alarm. An aquaintance of mine found himself in just this situation when he saw an Etruscan vase in an auction brochure from an American gallery and realized that it should have been in storage at a museum near him in Italy. He hurried to the museum and, sure enough, they couldn't produce it when he asked to see it (he was an academic with special access to the collection). It turned out that a staff member had stolen it and put it up for auction. I think that the Ferko collection staff should not worry about the lengthy process of cataloging and should instead start feeding as much stuff as possible through the scanner, together with a standard notice of the picture's provenance. Making this material generally available in electronic form would be the best protection possible for the materials and not too expensive (photow are easier than books or Etruscan vases). Originals from the collection would be impossible to sell on the legitimate market and pressure for physical access by enthusiasts would lessen considerably. I have no idea who to contact at the institution in question, but if anyone would like to forward these remarks to them feel free. Rob Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 891 *********************