WWI Digest 889 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: CD by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: CD by Ernest Thomas 3) Re: Caudron G.3 by Graham Nash 4) Nieuport by mbittner@juno.com 5) Re: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show by Alberto Rada 6) Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 7) Re: Caudron G.3 by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 8) Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) by Bob Pearson 9) Re: CD by aew (Allan Wright) 10) Harleyford Bomber Book by Graham Nash 11) Re: Caudron G.3 by Charles Hart 12) Re: Caudron G.3 by djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) 13) Re: Sworl Camo, etc. was Eduard HB D.1 vs. FMP Book by Patrick Padovan 14) Re: Harleyford Bomber Book by Alberto Rada 15) Re: Hasegawa 1/8 Scale Kits. by Charles Hart 16) Re: Toko Kits by Pedro Nuno Soares 17) Re: Hasegawa 1/8 Scale Kits. by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: dragondiles, etc. by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 19) Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 20) Thieffry by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 21) OTF Model contest by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 22) Re: Fok.D.7 interior by Joey Valenciano 23) Re: dragondiles, etc. by Joey Valenciano 24) Re: Nieuport by "Eli Geher" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:26:10 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <34E2A412.2966@bellsouth.net> Allan, The Aerodrome pics. are on the way. They're not arranged in the greatest order so don't worry about mixing them up. L8R Ernest The unexamined life is not worth living for man. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:33:47 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <34E2A5DB.7C7C@bellsouth.net> Me again. You can copy the pictures of my models and the ox-5 off of Trent Tidmore's site. I figured that would be easier than scanning them. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! ^ Is this from Princess Bride? E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:31:19 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <199802120832.AA12856@egate2.citicorp.com> Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > > if anyone is interested in the g.3, i've got the old "combat aeroplanes of > ww1" which features a color 3-view and 2 pages of profiles of > this bird (french, chinese republic, and finnish markings, i believe, for > both land and hydro-planes). about 3 pages of text, operational history, > etc. drop me a line if you'd like it. > > phillip anz-meador > Unless I miss my guess, the colour profile from the above book is available in the 'Gallery' at http://wwwusers.imaginet.fr/~bbmagic/flycorps/index.htm No text though Regards ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:59:45 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Nieuport Message-ID: <19980212.045945.15654.1.mbittner@juno.com> Okay, I'm about to go anal here. What color do you think the aileron control horns on the top wing were? Do you think they were overpainted with the overall color, or do you think they were left natural, or maybe even painted one color, for example black? Does anybody have any word on when the Toko Nie.11 kit is supposed to show up? I have a million (ok, maybe not *that* much :-)) schemes I want to do, and need to buy cases of the kit. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:19:09 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980211171909.006e9e8c@pop.true.net> Please forgive me in advance if this sounds presumptuous and I am only referring to well made models ( which is what everyone on this list makes, right ) But when you see a WW 1 model aeroplane it is logical to exclaim #&%*! LOOK at THAT!!" as it really stands out of the crown, not only for nostalgic reasons but because it bl..dy looks more impressive ( exception made to some models like that outrageous skinned Hurricane , but that does not count because it was made by you know who on a frolic moment of detachment from the true faith) . And when they look at the rigging and exclaim #&%*! LOOK at THAT!!", they are right , just remember the first couple of models you rigged and tell me how easy it was. I also started modeling aeroplanes ( sorry those where just planes ) of that other conflict, but I feel I evolved to what I am modeling now. I remember that a couple of years ago at the Wheeks museum in Tamiami airport in Miami I was talking to a Jet pilot and saw a nearby F 16 ( and being a Piper single engine pilot myself ) I told him " you need lots of guts to fly that " and signaling to a beautiful Nieuport 17 they had there by, he responded " No, you need lots of guts to fly THAT " Well I thing the same applies to modeling. SALUDOS Alberto At 06:32 PM 10-02-98 -0500, you wrote: >Shane Weier wrote: >> > Jim wrote >> > >> > >Thanks to all. I didn't mean to brag too much, but I was very >> > pleasedto >> > >see WWI take a disproportionate number of awards. Maybe it's because >> > >people who model in WWI are generally better modelers. ;-) >> > >> I wrote (thoughtlessly) >> >> > Perhaps. At our state championships last year WW1 models won a >> > disproportionate number of the places too. I put it down to the fact >> > that most modellers and judges seem to think rigging is impossible >> > except by some coterie of super modellers - and they score to fit the >> > perception ! >> > >> > Shane >> > > >-- >Not to disparage anyone's abilities, but I think there is a bit of "Holy >#&%*! LOOK at THAT!!" at the shows for the WWI and other "biplane" (for >which read: anything that has a cross Patee or long-arm balkencruz, or >those big red/white/blue in whatever order roundels, and all that wire >and stuff and, oh my, LOZENGE (though they may not know the name for it) >and...and....and...!) models. Despite the truth, WWI in the air is >still viewed as the romantic age, and people see those aircraft and the >ones from the Golden Age in much the same way they do a fully rigged >ship. > >They also are a bit of a rarity, overall, so they stand out further as >something different from all the 10thingies in infinite subtype, or the >Mustangs and Spitfires and Desert Stormers. > >That said, the people who make them must also be a better class of >people, for having such elegant tastes. This means they are also very >obviously superior modellers! ;{) > >-- >This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon >at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > >History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:18:59 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Message-ID: <199802121318.IAA08130@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 07:22 PM 2/10/98 -0500, Shane Weier wrote: > >Back to my question. >Allowing that I'm not all that pedantic, and that artists impressions >might not be within miles of reality, does anyone care to publish >*their* personal choice or mix for the colour? Shane I've aalways liked the Poly S version...dark but clearly a deep purple...please no Duh Duh Duh, Duh Duh Duh Duh threads!!!!! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:28:54 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <199802121328.IAA08184@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 01:38 AM 2/11/98 -0500, REwing@aol.com wrote: >Can anyone possible direct me to or send me details and/or photos of this >aircraft. I would appreciate any and all help. >TIA, >-Rick- Here's what I found, it's not much. "Great bathtub shot C&C Vol 27 No 2". Damned if I can remember what I meant by that, unless it just shows the cockpit. If you want a copy, let me know. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:57:24 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Message-ID: <13572443710314@KAIEN.COM> What? Do you mean no G Bb C G Bb C# C threads ? Sorry but I just had to do it as the list has been so quiet lately :-) Ha, ha get it ? ? ? Perhaps I should go to bed now. Bob ---------- > From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) > Shane > I've always liked the Poly S version...dark but clearly a deep > purple...please no Duh Duh Duh, Duh Duh Duh Duh threads!!!!! > Mike Muth > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:01:37 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <199802121401.JAA08386@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Me again. You can copy the pictures of my models and the ox-5 off of > Trent Tidmore's site. I figured that would be easier than scanning them. URL? I'll just link to it! > | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! Yup! -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:51:48 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Harleyford Bomber Book Message-ID: <199802121552.AA27920@egate2.citicorp.com> I am being offered the above book in a VERY tatty dustjacket (but see the website for a clean version) at the princely sum of GBP 60 or about US$100 at current exchange rates. Specialist book sellers in the UK try and get about GBP79 for the book in question, so its a goodish deal,IMHO, but not a great one. Any takers or bids? Apparantly the chap does the tour of book fairs etc. in the UK, and would be willing to look out for OOP/rare stuff for us. If you have a 'wants' list, let me have it OFF LIST, together with what you would be willing to pay for the book(s) in question. I would make it very clear that the list is an indication only, and not a commitment, unless you decide otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:08:51 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: >At 01:38 AM 2/11/98 -0500, REwing@aol.com wrote: >>Can anyone possible direct me to or send me details and/or photos of this >>aircraft. I would appreciate any and all help. >>TIA, >>-Rick- > > Here's what I found, it's not much. "Great bathtub shot C&C Vol 27 >No 2". Damned if I can remember what I meant by that, unless it just shows >the cockpit. If you want a copy, let me know. >Mike Muth There are also a few photos of a partially original version of this a/c in the latest WW I Aero. Apparently there is an original top wing, plus nacelle that are being reworked/restored to make a possibly airworthy example of this. Believe this is one of the Rhinebeck machines. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:46:41 -0600 (CST) From: djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 Message-ID: <9802121646.AA25598@deimos.tx.iex.com> > > There are also a few photos of a partially original version of this a/c > in the latest WW I Aero. Apparently there is an original top wing, plus > nacelle that are being reworked/restored to make a possibly airworthy > example of this. Believe this is one of the Rhinebeck machines. > I'll check my photo stash. I may have several shots of the Rhinebeck machine. Doug -- ------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:32:50 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sworl Camo, etc. was Eduard HB D.1 vs. FMP Book Message-ID: Dear Riordan: In answer to your question, no, the Pegasus AH D.III didn't include Sworl camo decals. However, the Hit Kit AH D.III DOES include a decal version of the printed "paisley" style of fabric, so perhaps you are thinking of this? Also, while sworl fabric was not included with the Pegasus Phonix D.I kit, those who purchased the kit were offered the opportunity to purchase a decal sheet of the appropriate sworl fabric at a discount. Unfortunately for me, when I sent for mine, I received the reply that they were sold out! They suggested that I try Blue Rider, but I never got around to contacting them. Also, Americal offer a sheet of the "Bromowski Swirl" pattern, which was field applied. But I think painting this would achieve better results. Anyway, MTCW. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Michelle and Rory Goodwin wrote: > Charles Hart wrote: > > > > There is a second A-H "sworl" camoufalge pattern seen on OAW D-IIIs > > late in the war that was a printed pattern applied to fabric. The exact > > colors of this fabric and the number of colors present are points of some > > debate. Blue Rider produced a decal of this pattern in 1/72. > > > > Didn't the Pegasus A-H Alb. D.III kit also feature a decal version of > this? > > Riordan > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:53:41 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Harleyford Bomber Book Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980212165341.00f7313c@pop.true.net> Hi Aeroplane books sold me this book a month ago in as new condition as you could buy it the day it was published and autographed by all the autors at $ 125.00 SALUDOS Alberto At 10:54 AM 12-02-98 -0500, you wrote: >I am being offered the above book in a VERY tatty dustjacket (but see >the website for a clean version) at the princely sum of GBP 60 or about >US$100 at current exchange rates. > >Specialist book sellers in the UK try and get about GBP79 for the book >in question, so its a goodish deal,IMHO, but not a great one. > >Any takers or bids? > >Apparantly the chap does the tour of book fairs etc. in the UK, and >would be willing to look out for OOP/rare stuff for us. > >If you have a 'wants' list, let me have it OFF LIST, together with what >you would be willing to pay for the book(s) in question. I would make >it very clear that the list is an indication only, and not a commitment, >unless you decide otherwise. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:26:18 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Hasegawa 1/8 Scale Kits. Message-ID: I saw all three of these built up at IPMS Nats many years ago. I think the three WW I a/c kits had no covering material at all, they were meant to be skeletons. Given what they are selling for now, I'm sorry not to have bought the Fokker for $199 in 1985. I have also seen the Bentley rotary from the Camel kit boxed and sold as a separate kit, same goes for the Lewis and Vickers guns. These are pretty scarce as well. No idea what they would command on the collectors market. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu >I purchased the Wright Flyer (very cheaply!) a couple of years ago - I have >not been tempted to start it due to the daunting nature of the project. > >In summary the kit is superb. It has the nicest metal casting I have seen >in an aircraft kit - more in line with some of the great metal figures. The >plans are excellent and the internal box presentation should be a benchmark >- so good in fact it would be a shame to start it. > >The wing covering is not linen - it is a heavy duty paper. I have looked at >the other kits in the range and they are of the same quality. > >Vincent > > >---------- >> From: Paul Schwartzkopf >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: Hasegawa 1/8 Scale Kits. >> Date: Thursday, 12 February 1998 6:17 >> >> John, >> >> I have not seen the 1/8 kits, but a friend of mine has the Hasegawa >> 1/16 Wright Flyer kit. It has wood, brass, and (I believe) metal >> parts. If I recall correctly, this kit also has "linen" for the >> wings, but don't quote me on that. It looks like a beautiful kit, if >> you have the time & money, so I would imagine that the 1/8 kits are >> very similar. I seem to also recall that the Camel was the "most >> accurate", but again I am working only from memory. >> >> >> Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:31:50 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Re: Toko Kits Message-ID: <01BD37FF.A6858BC0@fei1-p9.telepac.pt> John wrote: "Squadron got the Toko Pfalz D.XII (Lt Klein & Bavarian Fighter Sq a/c) and the SS D III/DIV(DIII Udet & DIV Lerner) kits in today. They are $9.95 plus post each. The SS has both wings and spinners in the kit. Both have..." For the attention of our British friends: I got both kits at Hannants - Hendon for 3.5 GBP each (without loz.;with Loz. they'd cost 5GBP). The kits look very nice as other list members have already mentioned. Hope TOKO will do the rest of the planned WW1 line. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:46:09 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Hasegawa 1/8 Scale Kits. Message-ID: <8abfc5f8.34e37bb5@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-12 16:22:16 EST, you write: << I have also seen the Bentley rotary from the Camel kit boxed and sold as a separate kit, >> Last autumn at a collector's sale and swap meet, I saw the Bentley for @ $30(same day I picked up the Williams Bros 1/8 scale"Spandau" and Parabellum for a buck each!) A long time ago WW I Aero had a lengthy critique of the Camel kit- the gist of which was that it was ok- but needed ALOT of work to bring it up to snuff.I seem to recall that several important items were not included esp. in the engine and cockpit area and had to be made from scratch. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:28:54 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: dragondiles, etc. Message-ID: <199802130228.VAA02873@pease1.sr.unh.edu> >On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:38:17 -0500 Joey Valenciano > writes: > >>Any requests for other artwork? I may be interested in drawing up what >>you >>are interested in. Just a thought, but wasn't there a face drawing for the front of the radiator on (drawing a blank on Pilot's name...wrote Wind in the Wires) 's "Schweinhund" SE5a? In 1/72 that might be nice.... Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:28:56 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: German Purple (was RE: WWI wins big. etc) Message-ID: <199802130228.VAA02883@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:58 AM 2/12/98 -0500, Bob Pearson wrote: > >What? Do you mean no G Bb C G Bb C# C threads ? Sorry but I just had to do >it as the list has been so quiet lately :-) Ha, ha get it ? ? ? Perhaps I >should go to bed now. Bob Got it and a good laugh! Go to bed. Tomorrow's a new day. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:28:57 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Thieffry Message-ID: <199802130228.VAA02891@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I forget who started this, but in looking at the Niewport special, his N. 23 shows that top roundels painted over. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:28:59 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: OTF Model contest Message-ID: <199802130228.VAA02902@pease1.sr.unh.edu> For those attending the OTF Seminar in Arizona, they will be sponsoring a modeling contest again. The last one was great...so many neat airplanes. Too far for me to transport anything, and after seeing sonme of the stuff from last time, I'm not sure I've got anything worth showing anyway....then again, a Nieuport in 1/48 is always an easy quick and dirty project..... Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:02:22 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Fok.D.7 interior Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980213110222.006e03d8@philonline.com.ph> H'lo Bill, >>What were the interior colours of the Fokker D.VII in the engine area. What >>colour were the engine bearers, the insides of the metal cowls, etc.? > >The engine bearers and assorted interior tubing around the >engine appear to have the same tonal values as the struts - >I'd surmise that they would both be in the rather universal >gray-green primer. I'll go with this. Thanks! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:07:51 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: dragondiles, etc. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980213110751.006e73b0@philonline.com.ph> >>>Any requests for other artwork? I may be interested in drawing up what >>>you >>>are interested in. > Just a thought, but wasn't there a face drawing for the front of the >radiator on (drawing a blank on Pilot's name...wrote Wind in the Wires) 's >"Schweinhund" SE5a? >In 1/72 that might be nice.... Hi Mike, read this somewhere. I could do it, but would be more confident with something a photo to copy from. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:28:58 -0600 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport Message-ID: <199802130504.XAA30738@sh1.ro.com> > What color do you think the aileron control horns on the top wing were? > Do you think they were overpainted with the overall color, or do you > think they were left natural, or maybe even painted one color, for > example black? > > Matt Bittner I've always favored a black or grey primer for this sort of thing in the absence of good information. My reasoning is that the material was most likely to be a low alloy steel, which would have been subject to rust without protection. Aluminum or brass would not have needed a protective coating but the use of either material in a stressed application was unlikely, Junkers excluded. The reasons are both technical and economic. "when in doubt, paint it gray", is really a pretty good motto in modelling. Eli ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 889 *********************