WWI Digest 888 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: dragondiles, etc. by Charles Hart 2) sans Swabians(was dragodile) by KarrArt@aol.com 3) RE: dragondiles, etc. by Patrick Padovan 4) Re: sans Swabians(was dragodile) by djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) 5) Re: sans Swabians(was dragodile) by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: dragondiles, etc. by "Patrick Gilmore" 7) Re: sans Swabians(was dragodile) by djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) 8) Re: sans Swabians(was dragodile) by mbittner@juno.com 9) Airfix 1/72 Hannover Cl.III available by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 10) Re: dragondiles, etc. by mbittner@juno.com 11) Re: sans Swabians(was dragodile) by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Eduard HB D.1 vs. FMP Book by "Leonard Endy" 13) Re: dragondiles, etc. by "John Glaser" 14) Re: Eduard HB D.1 vs. FMP Book by Charles Hart 15) Re: Eduard HB D.1 vs. FMP Book by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 16) Re: MvR last flight & Dragodiles by Joey Valenciano 17) Brisfit book, comments please... by Joey Valenciano 18) decal/artwork suggestions by Joey Valenciano 19) Re: Eduard HB D.1 vs. FMP Book by Charles Hart 20) Re: Brisfit book, comments please... by Hirohisa Ozaki 21) Re: Brisfit book, comments please... by Charles Hart 22) Re: Brisfit book, comments please... by Charles Hart 23) Re: Brisfit book, comments please... by Bob Pearson 24) Re: Hasegawa 1/8 Scale Kits. by "Vincent Price" 25) Re: Fok.D.7 interior by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 26) Re: Brisfit book, comments please... by Joey Valenciano ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:33:13 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: RE: dragondiles, etc. Message-ID: >one subject that might be fun to do is the fuesalage artwork for the fokker >d-vii "the seven swabians". i believe that the artwork featured on the >replica d-vii at old rheinbeck airdrome is incorrect, but is depicted >correctly on a model i've seen on the web (robt. karr??). > >phillip Such a decal was produced by PD Decals of Australia about 3 years ago as part of their limited WW I line. Their Fokker D-VII sheet with the sever Swabians, plus a couple of other markings was available in 1/48 and 1/72. The underwhelming response to their WW I line (they had two SPAD sheets also) led this maker to cease production on any and all WW I decals. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:33:58 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: sans Swabians(was dragodile) Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-11 15:13:13 EST, you write: << one subject that might be fun to do is the fuesalage artwork for the fokker d-vii "the seven swabians". i believe that the artwork featured on the replica d-vii at old rheinbeck airdrome is incorrect, but is depicted correctly on a model i've seen on the web (robt. karr??). phillip >> Nope- 'tain't mine.BTW, the Rhinebeck Fokker has since lost the Swabian markings- it's got some kind of devil on it at the moment ( resisting the urge to comment on the 1/72 66.6666666% conversion factor!) Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:44:49 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: dragondiles, etc. Message-ID: Gents: This is really sad news, because their Spad and D-VII decals are quite nice, and most included seperate "overlays" to insure accurate registration, which I really appreciated! Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Charles Hart wrote: > >one subject that might be fun to do is the fuesalage artwork for the fokker > >d-vii "the seven swabians". i believe that the artwork featured on the > >replica d-vii at old rheinbeck airdrome is incorrect, but is depicted > >correctly on a model i've seen on the web (robt. karr??). > > > >phillip > > Such a decal was produced by PD Decals of Australia about 3 years ago > as part of their limited WW I line. Their Fokker D-VII sheet with the > sever Swabians, plus a couple of other markings was available in 1/48 and > 1/72. > > The underwhelming response to their WW I line (they had two SPAD > sheets also) led this maker to cease production on any and all WW I decals. > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:46:06 -0600 (CST) From: djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) To: wwi Subject: Re: sans Swabians(was dragodile) Message-ID: <9802112046.AA06305@deimos.tx.iex.com> > Nope- 'tain't mine.BTW, the Rhinebeck Fokker has since lost the Swabian > markings- it's got some kind of devil on it at the moment ( resisting the urge > When did they do the new paint job? I missed last years Jamboree. Expect to be there this year. Doug -- ------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:22:58 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: sans Swabians(was dragodile) Message-ID: <1ebf2335.34e224c7@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-11 15:47:06 EST, you write: << > Nope- 'tain't mine.BTW, the Rhinebeck Fokker has since lost the Swabian > markings- it's got some kind of devil on it at the moment ( resisting the urge > When did they do the new paint job? I missed last years Jamboree. Expect to be there this year. Doug >> I'm not sure when the change took place. The photo and caption was in a recent WW I Aero, if my memory hasn't totally failed me. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:24:04 -0500 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: dragondiles, etc. Message-ID: <199802112226.RAA15709@sulaco.novagate.net> > Gents: This is really sad news, because their Spad and D-VII decals are > quite nice, and most included seperate "overlays" to insure accurate > registration, which I really appreciated! > Regards, Patrick > This seems to be an unfortunate trend with decal producers for WWI subjects - I sent a request for a future decal realease to Aeromaster and was told that it was very unlikely that they would do anything else for WWI subjects due to the lack of sales of their current decal sheets. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:31:39 -0600 (CST) From: djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) To: wwi Subject: Re: sans Swabians(was dragodile) Message-ID: <9802112231.AA09643@deimos.tx.iex.com> > I'm not sure when the change took place. The photo and caption was in a recent > WW I Aero, if my memory hasn't totally failed me. No wonder I didn't see it. My subscription has lapsed! Thanks for the info. Doug -- ------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:12:31 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: sans Swabians(was dragodile) Message-ID: <19980211.171231.4502.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:27:37 -0500 KarrArt@aol.com writes: >I'm not sure when the change took place. The photo and caption was in >a recent >WW I Aero, if my memory hasn't totally failed me. I just received this issue yesterday, so it's very recent. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:50:22 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Airfix 1/72 Hannover Cl.III available Message-ID: To the list: Last summer, there were some listmembers who were trying to hunt this kit down. I can report that a "stack" of them are hoarded and available at Toronto's "Aviation World" for under $10. They will mail these to you anywhere. Ask for Bill or Mark, but anyone there should be able to help you. Phone: (416) 674-5959 Fax: (416) 674-5915 Canadian 800 line: 1-800-668-1987 E-mail: info@aviationworld.net Web: www.aviationworld.net Adress: 195 Carlingview Drive Rexdale, Ontario, M9W 5E8 Canada Note that I'm not affiliated with this store in any way, just a satisfied customer. BTW, if you are trying to track down anything else WWI and recently in print/production, these guys probably have it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:10:42 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: dragondiles, etc. Message-ID: <19980211.171046.4502.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:38:17 -0500 Joey Valenciano writes: >Any requests for other artwork? I may be interested in drawing up what >you >are interested in. Right now I'm drawing up instrument faces. I'll get >a >photographer to shoot them and resize them onto slide film. But I only >have >instrument photos from the back cover (Cockpit Curios No.10) of >Windsock >Vol.11#6 to work on. Since I'm still waiting work from Blue Rider on the Escadrille emblem decals, any Escadrille emblems. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:13:47 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: sans Swabians(was dragodile) Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-11 18:46:59 EST, you write: << >I'm not sure when the change took place. The photo and caption was in >a recent >WW I Aero, if my memory hasn't totally failed me. I just received this issue yesterday, so it's very recent. Matt Bittner >> It's not just my memory- I think it's my entire mind! Recent is one thing- current is another- yes, The devil D VII is in WW I Aero Feb 98 #159! I knew I'd seen it somewhere! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:33:53 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Eduard HB D.1 vs. FMP Book Message-ID: <34e34c42.23838692@legend.firstsaga.com> Hansa-Brandenburg D.1/Eduard 1/48th scale kit. A couple of small items: In the FMP book it lists three series of HD D.1s built by Phonix: 28.01 - 28.24; 28.25 - 28.48; and 28.49 - 28.72. Based on information in the book it appears there were no differences between the first two series built. The major changes all taking place with the 28.49 - 28.72 series. Referred to as 28.5 series aircraft. The book further lists, on page 5, that the lower wingspan of the 28.5 series aircraft was 6m. This is a reduction of over 6 feet from previous versions and I believe this is a typo. Looking at photographs of machines from that series I could find no evidence to support that info. On page 4 there are tables listing the specs for the Phonix machines and it shows that the wingspan, both upper and lower, was 8.5m for 28 series aircraft and 8.6m for the 28.5 series. As far as the kit goes it is a 28 series aircraft with the enlarged rudder/tailfin assembly that was installed on the 28.5 series aircraft and retro-fitted to earlier machines. With regards to accuracy I found that most dimensions were within a 32d to 16th of an inch.=20 =46uselage: Approx. 3/32" too long at the tail end. Placement of the cockpit is correct in relationship to the front of the fuselage. Bottom of the fuselage should be slightly rounder (fuller) in the landing gear area. Some of the access plates are incorrectly placed. Just use a photograph for reference. Upper Wing: Span is approx. 1/16" short on each end. Chord is correct for a 28 series aircraft, about 1/16" narrow for a 28.5 series machine. Ailerons and rib locations are correct as well as the wing mounted radiator. At the strut attachment points the double wing ribs are correct. The overall wing thickness is pretty close to scale. The "wash-out" on the wing tips is not present. (That should be a fairly easy modification.). Lower Wing: Both the span and chord are correct for the HB built machines. Rest is as for the upper wing with the exception that there are two sets of double ribs present. The inboard set is incorrect, the extra rib should be removed. Tail/Elevator: The tail is approx. 1/8" too long. Elevator is correct as are the rib locations. Rudder: Tail fin is good, rudder is about 1/16" short chordwise. Gun Cannister: Real close, maybe a hair to high. Easily corrected when installing it. The star struts and wheels are a little oversized, nothing to quibble about. The dash layout does not match either the 28 or 65 series aircraft, it is almost an exact match for the 28 series. These comparisons are based on the 1/48 scale plans and photographs in the FMP book. Overall I found the kit to be fairly accurate. Whenever I get around to building mine (Maybe my next project.) I will probably only correct the fuselage access plates and wing tip wash-out. This is an earlier Eduard kit and as such will require care in removing flash from the various pieces. Now, anyone know where I can find some 1/48 sworl camouflage decals ? There is one picture in the book of Brumouski leaning on the wing of one aircraft and it is very obvious it had the sworl pattern. =20 This post was delayed as I wanted to do some further comparisons. The info above is based on comparing the kit parts to the printed plans in the book. However, as the following info illustrates, there is a great deal of variance from each bit of info to the next. I used the data from the charts, the text, both 1/72 and 1/48 plans, and the scaled-up measurements of the model itself. This is for a 28.0 series plane.=20 Chart Text 48 72 Model Upper Wing 8.50 8.50 8.59 8.64 8.45 Lower Wing 8.50 8.30 8.40 8.39 8.26 Chord 1.50 1.50 1.49 1.51 1.44 Length 6.30 6.35 6.20 6.26 6.15 I would have to go along with the text for the lower wingspan because every photo in the book shows that the lower wing was shorter. =46or the 28.50 planes the following was found: Chart Text Upper 8.50 8.60 Lower 8.50 6 (I'm pretty sure this should be 8.6). Chord 1.60 1.60 Length 6.30 6.30 Using the text for comparison purposes I found the models dimensions to be quite close. Both the upper and lower wing are approx. 1mm short, the chord is approx. 1.25 mm narrow, and the overall length approx. 4 mm short. Nothing to be overly concerned about but it goes to show that even within one book the info can be very conflicting. Now....maybe someday I'll actually get around to building it! Len Endy lfendy@firstsaga.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:42:03 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: Re: dragondiles, etc. Message-ID: <19980212014225.AAA9166@johng> Aeromaster's web site shows their Fokker Triplane Collection Part 3 as a future release. FWIW - John ---------- > From: Patrick Gilmore > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: dragondiles, etc. > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 4:29 PM > > > Gents: This is really sad news, because their Spad and D-VII decals are > > quite nice, and most included seperate "overlays" to insure accurate > > registration, which I really appreciated! > > Regards, Patrick > > > > This seems to be an unfortunate trend with decal producers for WWI subjects > - I sent a request for a future decal realease to Aeromaster and was told > that it was very unlikely that they would do anything else for WWI subjects > due to the lack of sales of their current decal sheets. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:59:44 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard HB D.1 vs. FMP Book Message-ID: Len Endy writes: >Hansa-Brandenburg D.1/Eduard 1/48th scale kit. <<>> > >Now, anyone know where I can find some 1/48 sworl camouflage decals ? >There is one picture in the book of Brumouski leaning on the wing of >one aircraft and it is very obvious it had the sworl pattern. =20 Americal/Gryphon sheet #59 features panels made for this aircraft. Price is US$6.50 per sheet plus postage. A/G sheet #56 is the 1/72 version of this pattern. Some clarification is perhaps necessary here. The Brumowski "sworl" camouflage is a painted pattern of sworls on the fabric and wood surfaces of various A-H aircraft. This appears to be a field applied scheme. There is a second A-H "sworl" camoufalge pattern seen on OAW D-IIIs late in the war that was a printed pattern applied to fabric. The exact colors of this fabric and the number of colors present are points of some debate. Blue Rider produced a decal of this pattern in 1/72. This is not an appropriate scheme for a H-B D-I. HTH Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:20:08 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard HB D.1 vs. FMP Book Message-ID: <34E25C58.321D@ricochet.net> Charles Hart wrote: > > There is a second A-H "sworl" camoufalge pattern seen on OAW D-IIIs > late in the war that was a printed pattern applied to fabric. The exact > colors of this fabric and the number of colors present are points of some > debate. Blue Rider produced a decal of this pattern in 1/72. > Didn't the Pegasus A-H Alb. D.III kit also feature a decal version of this? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:33:26 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: MvR last flight & Dragodiles Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980212103326.006dfa38@philonline.com.ph> >I just saw Joey's Dragodile page and would like to say the page looks good. >But one thing we should perhaps change is to stop calling it a DRAGODILE (or >whatever), as I seem to recall that Bohme called it a TERRIBLE DRAGON, and >if we continue to persist in calling it a dragodile (my fault I know) we may >be causing future generations to assume that this is what C766/16 was known >as in 1916. A minor trivaling point I know, but on such is history built. I'll change the text and send it to Allan. But I'm sure Bohme's name for it was in German, yes? Anyone know the actual (German) name? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:20:30 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Brisfit book, comments please... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980212102030.006dfa38@philonline.com.ph> Hi all, I'd like your comments on this book: Author: Bowyer, Chaz Title: Bristol F2B Fighter/King of Two-Seaters Comments: Signed by author to Ed Ferko, (DJ), 1st edition" Condition: Excellent Price: $40.00 Size: There are 128 pages How useful is this book to a modeler? I know the author's citation adds to the value, but would this book be a good buy at the price? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:12:57 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: decal/artwork suggestions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980212101257.006dfa38@philonline.com.ph> >Since I'm still waiting work from Blue Rider on the Escadrille emblem >decals, any Escadrille emblems. :-) Right Matt! I was just thinking the same thing. Decal artwork should be preferrably in black only, with the rest of the colours painted in. If it is to be a multicoloured insignia, it would be preferrable for the insignia to be a simple, straight sided geometric shape. This would allow you to colour print onto white decal paper and cut around the borders of the insignia easily. Thus, a Cicognes emblem (stork w/ white feathers) would not be ideal to produce in this method. I have the Glencoe Spad book, a lot of squadron insignia there. Maybe I start with the black rooster of SPA 62. I need some advice for this instrument faces project I have. What are the standard punch and die sizes most of you have? Right now I have 18 sizes to choose from and I'm sure that most of the sizes are unuseable. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:50:21 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard HB D.1 vs. FMP Book Message-ID: >Charles Hart wrote: >> >> There is a second A-H "sworl" camoufalge pattern seen on OAW D-IIIs >> late in the war that was a printed pattern applied to fabric. The exact >> colors of this fabric and the number of colors present are points of some >> debate. Blue Rider produced a decal of this pattern in 1/72. >> > >Didn't the Pegasus A-H Alb. D.III kit also feature a decal version of >this? > >Riordan Ads for this kit in Windsock and elsewhere showed a built up example of the kit with the BR decal applied. My sample of this kit certainly has no sworl decals. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 11:47:57 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Brisfit book, comments please... Message-ID: <199802120250.LAA02138@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Joey, >How useful is this book to a modeler? Yes, if you don't have Albatross DATAFILE SPECIAL. But it is, if anything, for historian. >I know the author's citation adds to the value, but would this book be a >good buy at the price? I spent it for GBP35.0, as about USD58.0 late by that time. I don't know that the price is reasnoble. Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:57:30 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Brisfit book, comments please... Message-ID: Joey Valenciano writes: >Hi all, > >I'd like your comments on this book: > >Author: Bowyer, Chaz >Title: Bristol F2B Fighter/King of Two-Seaters >Comments: Signed by author to Ed Ferko, (DJ), 1st edition" >Condition: Excellent >Price: $40.00 >Size: There are 128 pages > >How useful is this book to a modeler? >I know the author's citation adds to the value, but would this book be a >good buy at the price? > I recently acquired a copy of this (thanks again Graham!) and found it disappointing. It has been hawked by a couple of used book sellers for more money and frankly I think US$40.00 a bit high. It is not a book for modelers, there are a couple of tiny drawings in an appendix in the back. The photo selection is nice, but not astounding and the text is not terribly good, in my view. The text for the WW I section of the book is basically a blow by blow description of the combat use of this machine along the lines of "Fl. Lt. such and such with his observer Sgt. haw-haw flew against 25 machines from Jasta Boelkegestalt on 27 September and in amazing action shot them all down.." Perhaps you get the drift. There isn't much in the text describing the technial development of the Bristol Fighter either during or after the war. This book was certainly less that I had expected. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:59:13 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Brisfit book, comments please... Message-ID: Joey Valenciano writes: >Hi all, > >I'd like your comments on this book: > >Author: Bowyer, Chaz >Title: Bristol F2B Fighter/King of Two-Seaters >Comments: Signed by author to Ed Ferko, (DJ), 1st edition" >Condition: Excellent >Price: $40.00 >Size: There are 128 pages > >How useful is this book to a modeler? >I know the author's citation adds to the value, but would this book be a >good buy at the price? > I recently acquired a copy of this (thanks again Graham!) and found it disappointing. It has been hawked by a couple of used book sellers for more money and frankly I think US$40.00 a bit high. It is not a book for modelers, there are a couple of tiny drawings in an appendix in the back. The photo selection is nice, but not astounding and the text is not terribly good, in my view. The text for the WW I section of the book is basically a blow by blow description of the combat use of this machine along the lines of "Fl. Lt. such and such with his observer Sgt. haw-haw flew against 25 machines from Jasta Boelkegestalt on 27 September and in amazing action shot them all down.." Perhaps you get the drift. There isn't much in the text describing the technial development of the Bristol Fighter either during or after the war. This book was certainly less that I had expected. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu One further comment comes to mind, this Ferko copy is probably in good shape because he never bothered to read it. I'm not sure that I would blame him. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:04:20 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Brisfit book, comments please... Message-ID: <03042063309247@KAIEN.COM> Joey, This is a companion volume to his Camel: King of Combat and is roughly similiar in layout. I paid $30 Cdn for it a decade ago and although I really like the book, I can't honestly recommend it at that price as most of the photos are also in the Vintage Warbirds book on the Bristol F2b. But if you don't have the Vintage Warbirds, you will find it useful - and ten years from now you won't remember what you paid anyway :-) Regards, Bob ---------- > From: Joey Valenciano > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Brisfit book, comments please... > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:38:39 -0500 > > Hi all, > > I'd like your comments on this book: > > Author: Bowyer, Chaz > Title: Bristol F2B Fighter/King of Two-Seaters > Comments: Signed by author to Ed Ferko, (DJ), 1st edition" > Condition: Excellent > Price: $40.00 > Size: There are 128 pages > > How useful is this book to a modeler? > I know the author's citation adds to the value, but would this book be a > good buy at the price? > > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:12:19 +1100 From: "Vincent Price" To: Subject: Re: Hasegawa 1/8 Scale Kits. Message-ID: <199802120318.OAA12007@sydney2.world.net> I purchased the Wright Flyer (very cheaply!) a couple of years ago - I have not been tempted to start it due to the daunting nature of the project. In summary the kit is superb. It has the nicest metal casting I have seen in an aircraft kit - more in line with some of the great metal figures. The plans are excellent and the internal box presentation should be a benchmark - so good in fact it would be a shame to start it. The wing covering is not linen - it is a heavy duty paper. I have looked at the other kits in the range and they are of the same quality. Vincent ---------- > From: Paul Schwartzkopf > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Hasegawa 1/8 Scale Kits. > Date: Thursday, 12 February 1998 6:17 > > John, > > I have not seen the 1/8 kits, but a friend of mine has the Hasegawa > 1/16 Wright Flyer kit. It has wood, brass, and (I believe) metal > parts. If I recall correctly, this kit also has "linen" for the > wings, but don't quote me on that. It looks like a beautiful kit, if > you have the time & money, so I would imagine that the 1/8 kits are > very similar. I seem to also recall that the Camel was the "most > accurate", but again I am working only from memory. > > > Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:23:57 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fok.D.7 interior Message-ID: <199802120423.AA18630@ednet1.orednet.org> Joey Valenciano writes: >Hi all, > >A question: > >What were the interior colours of the Fokker D.VII in the engine area. What >colour were the engine bearers, the insides of the metal cowls, etc.? The engine bearers and assorted interior tubing around the engine appear to have the same tonal values as the struts - I'd surmise that they would both be in the rather universal gray-green primer. Which, I suppose, makes a great deal of sense - there would be no particular reason to develop more than a single primer formulation. Photos of the interiors of the metal panels are not exactly common (indeed, I can't find _any_!) but I'd think the gray-green primer would be the odds on bet there as well - for the reasons expressed above. Does anyone, incidently, have an authoritive color match for the gray-green primer? I've been operating on the premise that it would be closely related to WW2 RLM 02 and have been using an RLM 02 darkened down a bit which seems to look all right. But, on further reflection, I've realized that this was all surmise on my part and wasn't based on any real references. Anyone have a better idea or reference? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:20:30 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Brisfit book, comments please... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980212132030.006e1ad8@philonline.com.ph> > > >>Hi all, >> >>I'd like your comments on this book: >> >>Author: Bowyer, Chaz >>Title: Bristol F2B Fighter/King of Two-Seaters >>Comments: Signed by author to Ed Ferko, (DJ), 1st edition" >>Condition: Excellent >>Price: $40.00 >>Size: There are 128 pages >> >>How useful is this book to a modeler? >>I know the author's citation adds to the value, but would this book be a >>good buy at the price? >> > > I recently acquired a copy of this (thanks again Graham!) and found it >disappointing. It has been hawked by a couple of used book sellers for >more money and frankly I think US$40.00 a bit high. It is not a book for >modelers, there are a couple of tiny drawings in an appendix in the back. >The photo selection is nice, but not astounding and the text is not >terribly good, in my view. The text for the WW I section of the book is >basically a blow by blow description of the combat use of this machine >along the lines of "Fl. Lt. such and such with his observer Sgt. haw-haw Hiro, Charles, Bob, Thanks for all your advice. It seems that it would make more sense to have my sights trained on the Brisfit Datafile Special. :-) ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. 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