WWI Digest 886 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: UTD Books by Bob Pearson 2) Re: Fokker D VII"Maria" by Bob Pearson 3) Re: Edmund Thierry by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show by Jim Wallace 5) RE: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show by Shane Weier 6) Re: Jasta 15 D.VII underside colors by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 7) Re: UTD Books by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 8) RE: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show by Shane Weier 9) Re: UTD Books by Joey Valenciano 10) WWI Planes Auction (fwd) by aew (Allan Wright) 11) Re: UTD Books by mbittner@juno.com 12) Re: Fokker D VII"Maria" by Ernest Thomas 13) Final Good Bye by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 14) Joe Zappa? by Jesse Thorn 15) Re: Fokker D VII"Maria" by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 16) Know these books? by Joey Valenciano 17) Re: UTD Books by "Douglas R. Jones" 18) Re: Know these books? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 19) Re: Know these books? by KarrArt@aol.com 20) Re: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: Latest FAQ (I promise) :-) by aew (Allan Wright) 22) Re: Know these books? by Charles Hart 23) Re: Know these books? by Joey Valenciano 24) Re: Know these books? by "Sandy Adam" 25) Re: Know these books? by djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) 26) Books on the net by Graham Nash 27) Farman seaplane struts? by thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) 28) Re: Books on the net by BStett3770@aol.com 29) Re: Books on the net by Charles Hart 30) Re: Books on the net by BStett3770@aol.com 31) Re: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show by The Shannons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:00:16 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: UTD Books Message-ID: <00001608802857@KAIEN.COM> Doug, I deleted the address earlier, but would love to get a copy of vol.1. Could you please repost the UTD number. TIA Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "Douglas R. Jones" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: UTD Books > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:57:06 -0500 > > Guys I had the following msg this afternoon. If anyone called looking for > this book it looks like they can accommodate you! Thanks for the wonderful > response to this short list I sent out. I promise to get the full list out > ASAP. > > >Would send a message to your club that we have in our possession and > >they are all for sale, (68) copies of "Fliegertruppe" 1914-1918, and we > >have (193) copies of "Fliegertruppe 1914-1918 Nr. 2" priced at $10.00 > >ea. If we run out of the first "Fliegertruppe", we can xerox a copy for > >anyone who cares to have both of them for $10.00. I now have a great > >xerox machine that copies photographs quite well. > > > >Before these were found today, I had turned down some callers because > >the copies that you listed on the e-mail were sold last Friday. These > >enthusiasts will see your message and call me back. > > > > Doug > -------------------------------------------------- > 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones > both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation > Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 > | djones@iex.com > -------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:00:24 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Fokker D VII"Maria" Message-ID: <00002442002860@KAIEN.COM> Robert, The only b/w checked D.VII I am aware of is that of Jasta 74's Off Stv Willi Hippert (451/18-499/18). On this he has the name "MIMMI", not Maria on the top wing. The fuselage and tail are in b/w checks, while the cowl is dark blue. There is a b/w profile of this aircraft in OTF 6/4: 365 Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: KarrArt@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Fokker D VII"Maria" > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:38:24 -0500 > > Howdy all- anybody know anything about a black and white checked D VII with > "Maria" written in big white letters across the top wing? > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:17:15 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Edmund Thierry Message-ID: <19980209.171736.14470.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:27:28 -0500 Bob Pearson writes: > I would tend to think that the roundel would be on the bottom of > the top wing. If you have ever seen the Rhinebeck Nieuport 11 in > flight, you would notice how inadequate just a lower wing > roundel would be. however that on the bottom of the top wing > stands out remarkably well. In addition most (if not all) > Nieuports I have seen have the roundels (Matt?) A "general" rule of thumb was yes, the roundels were standard on the bottom of the top wing. However, as with everything WW1, references on a particular a/c are necessary. If none are available, then you can probably be safe with the "standards". Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:24:49 -0500 From: Jim Wallace To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19980209192449.009803a0@pop.atl.mindspring.com> At 06:59 PM 2/9/98 -0500, Joey Valenciano wrote: Thanks to all. I didn't mean to brag too much, but I was very pleased to see WWI take a disproportionate number of awards. Maybe it's because people who model in WWI are generally better modelers. ;-) >Congrats, but which one was yours? I entered the 1/28 D.VII which will be in FSM later this year. Since its owner lives in St. Augustine, I went down there to enter it in a close contest. It took first. I also entered the E.III, the E.III diorama, and the Richtofen bust which took awards, and the N.28 that didn't. jw ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:53:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show Message-ID: <199802100203.MAA06139@mimmon.mim.com.au> Jim posts >Thanks to all. I didn't mean to brag too much, but I was very pleased to >see WWI take a disproportionate number of awards. Maybe it's because >people who model in WWI are generally better modelers. ;-) Perhaps. At our state championships last year WW1 models won a disproportionate number of the places too. I put it down to the fact that most modellers and judges seem to think rigging is impossible except by some coterie of super modellers - and they score to fit the perception ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:02:00 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 15 D.VII underside colors Message-ID: Fernando asks: > I am starting a Fokker D. VII but would like to avoid tackling lozenge at >the current time. However, I have not been able to find out about the >underside colors on these aircraft. Were they painted (and in what pattern) >or were they left in lozenge? > Fernando, Lozenge under the wings. Sorry. If you tackle this, remember: do not put lozenge on the axel wing - it was painted plywood. Also, several Jasta 15 planes are profiled in the D.VII Anthology, so pick up a copy - it'll be a real help. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:02:04 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: UTD Books Message-ID: Doug let us know that: we have in our possession and >>they are all for sale, (68) copies of "Fliegertruppe" 1914-1918, and we >>have (193) copies of "Fliegertruppe 1914-1918 Nr. 2" priced at $10.00 >>ea. Can anyone tell me what these books are all about? A quick review? Is the price amazing? Thanks. Kevin Barrett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:05:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show Message-ID: <199802100215.MAA06274@mimmon.mim.com.au> Jim, Heck, my previous post looks like I'm denigrating your rewards. That certainly is NOT what I meant - just joking at my own expense. Sorry. And congratulations - stick it up 'em at every opportunity ! Shane > Jim wrote > > >Thanks to all. I didn't mean to brag too much, but I was very > pleasedto > >see WWI take a disproportionate number of awards. Maybe it's because > >people who model in WWI are generally better modelers. ;-) > I wrote (thoughtlessly) > Perhaps. At our state championships last year WW1 models won a > disproportionate number of the places too. I put it down to the fact > that most modellers and judges seem to think rigging is impossible > except by some coterie of super modellers - and they score to fit the > perception ! > > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:45:46 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: UTD Books Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980210104546.006d7c60@philonline.com.ph> Hi Doug, >Guys I had the following msg this afternoon. If anyone called looking for >this book it looks like they can accommodate you! Thanks for the wonderful >response to this short list I sent out. I promise to get the full list out >ASAP. I'll wait as I bite my fingernails... >>Would send a message to your club that we have in our possession and >>they are all for sale, (68) copies of "Fliegertruppe" 1914-1918, and we >>have (193) copies of "Fliegertruppe 1914-1918 Nr. 2" priced at $10.00 >>ea. If we run out of the first "Fliegertruppe", we can xerox a copy for >>anyone who cares to have both of them for $10.00. I now have a great >>xerox machine that copies photographs quite well. >> >>Before these were found today, I had turned down some callers because >>the copies that you listed on the e-mail were sold last Friday. These >>enthusiasts will see your message and call me back. Who's writing here? Mary Caspari? I too wonder, are the books worth getting? It's ignorance that is functioning here, not snobbery.... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:56:37 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: WWI Planes Auction (fwd) Message-ID: <199802100256.VAA27715@pease1.sr.unh.edu> WWI list: FYI. -Allan Forwarded message: > From SMNcons@aol.com Mon Feb 9 18:45:08 1998 > Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:41:27 -0500 (EST) > Subject: WWI Planes Auction > > I thought you and your readers may have an interest in an on-line auction we > are having in March at SMN Antique Toys. There are over a dozen original MIB > Aurora WWI model plane kits from the 1950's. Go to: > http://members.aol.com/SMNtoys > Thanks! Stu > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:50:39 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: UTD Books Message-ID: <19980209.205634.6342.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:03:55 -0500 kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) writes: >Can anyone tell me what these books are all about? A quick review? Is >the price amazing? Thanks. Do you like German WW1? If so, you *need* these books. Seriously. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:40:20 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D VII"Maria" Message-ID: <34DFCC24.390F@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > Howdy all- anybody know anything about a black and white checked D VII with > "Maria" written in big white letters across the top wing? > Robert Robert, I've seen a few pictures of it but I don't know anything about it. Sorry. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:46:16 -0600 (CST) From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Final Good Bye Message-ID: Good Byes are always hard to do, but when it is a final good bye to a close friend and modeler, it is even harder. This past Sunday, Nick Waters passed away. Those of us who knew him, will not forget him. Those of you who never met him, have missed knowing a real friend. He will be missed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:00:09 -0400 From: Jesse Thorn To: wwi Subject: Joe Zappa? Message-ID: I am trying to get in touch with a Joe Zappa of Liberty Modelworks. He is a WWI modeler. Does anyone know him? Thanks, Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:07:31 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D VII"Maria" Message-ID: <199802100407.AA16061@ednet1.orednet.org> Robert writes: >Howdy all- anybody know anything about a black and white checked D VII with >"Maria" written in big white letters across the top wing? >Robert Well, the black and white checks would be Jasta 74. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:49:07 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Know these books? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980210124907.006ca850@philonline.com.ph> Hi Guys, would anyone give me little review of the contents of these books, is the price ok? >Books: >German Aircraft of the First World War by Peter Gray and Owen Thetford. >Beautiful book in mint condition. Expensive. $40.00. >The First Warplanes by William E. Barrett. OLD book. $3.00 >Old Aeroplanes by David Ogilvy, Shire Album 141. $3.00 >The Fokker Dr.1 and D VII in World War I by Heinz J. Nowarra, Schiffer >Military History Vol 45. $5.00 ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:02:39 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi Subject: Re: UTD Books Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980209230232.006b0058@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 09:52 PM 2/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Doug, Hi. >I'll wait as I bite my fingernails... Bad habit..... >>>Would send a message to your club that we have in our possession and >>>they are all for sale, (68) copies of "Fliegertruppe" 1914-1918, and we >>>have (193) copies of "Fliegertruppe 1914-1918 Nr. 2" priced at $10.00 >>>ea. If we run out of the first "Fliegertruppe", we can xerox a copy for >>>anyone who cares to have both of them for $10.00. I now have a great >>>xerox machine that copies photographs quite well. >>> >>>Before these were found today, I had turned down some callers because >>>the copies that you listed on the e-mail were sold last Friday. These >>>enthusiasts will see your message and call me back. > >Who's writing here? Mary Caspari? Yes. >I too wonder, are the books worth getting? It's ignorance that is >functioning here, not snobbery.... I'll leave that to someone much more knowledgeable than myself. Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:01:15 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Know these books? Message-ID: <199802100501.AA13349@ednet1.orednet.org> Joey Valenciano writes >Hi Guys, would anyone give me little review of the contents of these books, >is the price ok? -snips- >>The Fokker Dr.1 and D VII in World War I by Heinz J. Nowarra, Schiffer >>Military History Vol 45. $5.00 Well, it is certainly not worth much more. Unless you're like me and entranced with _anything_ having to do with Fokkers, your money might be better spent. Imagine, if you will, an illustration of a Fokker tripe in _lozenge_ pattern fabric! Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:40:07 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Know these books? Message-ID: <1a463acc.34dfe839@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-09 23:51:01 EST, you write: << >The First Warplanes by William E. Barrett. OLD book. $3.00 >> I don't know if this is the old paperback version from about 1964-65, but if it is, yeah, it's worth $3 US.I see it around sometime for about $5. It's about 110 pages of ok photos on newsprint- some pic are great, others less so.A lot of them are familiar.This was the first 'serious' WW I av book I ever bought- at the local drug store for 75 cents! Still have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:51:18 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-09 19:36:03 EST, you write: << I entered the 1/28 D.VII which will be in FSM later this year. >> I'm truly looking forward to your article! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:57:46 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest FAQ (I promise) :-) Message-ID: <199802101357.IAA29207@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Matt, Thanks for the FAQ - it's been put on-line on the page in the appropriate places. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:02:48 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Know these books? Message-ID: >Hi Guys, would anyone give me little review of the contents of these books, >is the price ok? > >>Books: >>German Aircraft of the First World War by Peter Gray and Owen Thetford. >>Beautiful book in mint condition. Expensive. $40.00. > This is an encyclopedic review of nearly every aircraft the Germans built between 1914 and 1918. I finally found one a couple of years ago after looking for a very long time. It isn't terribly well written, in my view, and the photos are small. However, it is a good review of all aircraft types, the famous and the obscure, so it makes a good general reference. I'm not sure that it is worth more than the US$40.00 being asked, but I have seen copies offered for much more. As for the two Fliegertrupppe volumes being offered, two words "buy them", before they are gone. These are very good historical documents on the German air service with a number of photos from Ferko's collection which have not been previously published. One of these volumes, I forget which, has nice photos of Hannovers which I have seen nowhere else. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:19:05 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Know these books? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980211001905.006d9c44@philonline.com.ph> Thanks for the advice, Charles. > As for the two Fliegertrupppe volumes being offered, two words "buy >them", before they are gone. These are very good historical documents on >the German air service with a number of photos from Ferko's collection >which have not been previously published. One of these volumes, I forget >which, has nice photos of Hannovers which I have seen nowhere else. > >Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > > ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:22:03 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Know these books? Message-ID: <199802101616.QAA08514@beryl.sol.co.uk> > >>German Aircraft of the First World War by Peter Gray and Owen Thetford. > >>Beautiful book in mint condition. Expensive. $40.00. > > > > This is an encyclopedic review of nearly every aircraft the Germans > built between 1914 and 1918. I finally found one a couple of years ago > after looking for a very long time. It isn't terribly well written, in my > view, and the photos are small. However, it is a good review of all > aircraft types, the famous and the obscure, so it makes a good general > reference. I'm not sure that it is worth more than the US$40.00 being > asked, but I have seen copies offered for much more. > I agree with everything Charles says but suggest 40USD seems high from this side of the Atlantic. Maybe this book is rarer in the 'States but in the UK you can pick it up pretty easily in most second hand bookshops for less than 20GBP. The last MCP 2nd-hand catalogue has one at 18GBP (30USD), (g+/g condition) for example - they take credit cards and do international sales at 15% p&p so you could have it from them, shipped, for 35USD. HTH Sandy PS I'd like the Ferko books but lost the address, could somebody resend me it please? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:44:14 -0600 (CST) From: djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) To: wwi Subject: Re: Know these books? Message-ID: <9802101644.AA04441@deimos.tx.iex.com> > PS I'd like the Ferko books but lost the address, could somebody resend me > it please? The Univeristy of Texas at Dallas Special Collections Box 830643 Richardson, Texas 75083-0643 Call Mary at 972-883-2570 Doug -- ------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:28:59 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Books on the net Message-ID: <199802101729.AA07267@egate2.citicorp.com> Seen at: http://www.sonic.net/~bstone/military WOODMAN, HARRY. EARLY AIRCRAFT ARMAMENT. Aircraft Armament up 1918. 1989. SMITHSONIAN, 1st edn, 254 pp, ills, line drawings, fine. =A325.00 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:21:29 -0800 From: thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) To: wwi Subject: Farman seaplane struts? Message-ID: Hi All, John Fleming is attempting to model the Farman biplane flown by J.L. Travers with Claude Grahame-White during the "wake Up England" campaign in the summer of 1912. The plane is a float version that appears in Munson's "Pioneer Aircraft" page 41. It looks like 35 ribs for each wing. Mr. Munson apparently didn't like front views. The problem is the spacing and count of the wing struts. BTW, this will not be a FF model, it is going into cyber space in Flt. Sim 98. Thanks again for the help. Thayer and John -- Thayer Syme Model Aviation Homepage San Francisco http://www.sirius.com/~thayer/modelhp.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:57:15 EST From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Books on the net Message-ID: <1ebc1937.34e0cd3e@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-10 13:32:22 EST, you write: << WOODMAN, HARRY. EARLY AIRCRAFT ARMAMENT. Aircraft Armament up 1918. 1989. SMITHSONIAN, 1st edn, 254 pp, ills, line drawings, fine. =A325.00 >> Thats about $475 US dollars, That's nuts Anyone on the list have Harry's address, I remember someone stating he still had some copies for sale. If someone wants the book that bad, I'll sell mine for that kind of price. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:21:04 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Books on the net Message-ID: >In a message dated 98-02-10 13:32:22 EST, you write: > ><< WOODMAN, HARRY. EARLY AIRCRAFT ARMAMENT. Aircraft Armament up 1918. > 1989. > SMITHSONIAN, 1st edn, 254 pp, ills, line drawings, fine. =A325.00 >> > >Thats about $475 US dollars, That's nuts > >Anyone on the list have Harry's address, I remember someone stating he still >had some copies for sale. > >If someone wants the book that bad, I'll sell mine for that kind of price. > >Keep Modeling >Barry >Rosemont Hobby I checked out the Web page for the bookseller. The real price is 25.00 pounds, the "=A3" must be computer translation of the pound sign, which appears on the original text from the Web site. Hope this clears the confusion. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:36:31 EST From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Books on the net Message-ID: <875aa0b6.34e0d671@aol.com> Well that's a bit more like it. Thank's Charles Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont H.hobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:28:42 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI wins big at IPMS Space Coast show Message-ID: <34E0E2AA.4811@ix.netcom.com> Shane Weier wrote: > > Jim wrote > > > > >Thanks to all. I didn't mean to brag too much, but I was very > > pleasedto > > >see WWI take a disproportionate number of awards. Maybe it's because > > >people who model in WWI are generally better modelers. ;-) > > > I wrote (thoughtlessly) > > > Perhaps. At our state championships last year WW1 models won a > > disproportionate number of the places too. I put it down to the fact > > that most modellers and judges seem to think rigging is impossible > > except by some coterie of super modellers - and they score to fit the > > perception ! > > > > Shane > > -- Not to disparage anyone's abilities, but I think there is a bit of "Holy #&%*! LOOK at THAT!!" at the shows for the WWI and other "biplane" (for which read: anything that has a cross Patee or long-arm balkencruz, or those big red/white/blue in whatever order roundels, and all that wire and stuff and, oh my, LOZENGE (though they may not know the name for it) and...and....and...!) models. Despite the truth, WWI in the air is still viewed as the romantic age, and people see those aircraft and the ones from the Golden Age in much the same way they do a fully rigged ship. They also are a bit of a rarity, overall, so they stand out further as something different from all the 10thingies in infinite subtype, or the Mustangs and Spitfires and Desert Stormers. That said, the people who make them must also be a better class of people, for having such elegant tastes. This means they are also very obviously superior modellers! ;{) -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 886 *********************