WWI Digest 883 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Nie.17 cowling. by "Tom Werner Hansen" 2) Re: NEW FSM: ALBATROSS PRODUCTIONS by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 3) Re: f**k ups by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 4) Re: Edmund Thieffrey by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 5) CD: Threaded reader format or search engine by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." 6) Latest FAQ by mbittner@juno.com 7) Re: Latest FAQ by Charles Hart 8) Re: Latest FAQ by mbittner@juno.com 9) Latest FAQ (I promise) :-) by mbittner@juno.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:25:43 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Nie.17 cowling. Message-ID: <199802071513.QAA28763@d1o211.telia.com> Bill answered my question promptly enough for me to use his tip, thanks Bill. ---------- > From: Bill Shatzer > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Nie.17 cowling. > Date: 07. februar 1998 05:31 > > > > > > >Nungesser's Nieuport 17. > >One quick question: > >Was there any difference in the surface treatment of the all-silver > >Nieuports? > >Were the cowlings and aluminium panels left in natural metal or covered > >with the same aluminium dope as the fabric parts. I'm in the process of > >final assembly of Nungesser's Nie.17, and everything is sprayed silver. > >However, there is time to cover the cowling with aluminium foil if that > >would be correct. > > > The photos all seem to show a contrast in tone between the > cowling and the fabric covered areas of the fuselage - indicating > that the cowlings were _not_ aluminum doped like the fabric. > > The fact that the cowlings appear metal and not doped on the camouflaged > Nieuports would lend support to this surmise. That's my reasoning too. > > You're using the dull side of the aluminum foil up, right? > The shiny side would be too bright I would think. Right. That's what I do. >How do you > get the foil to follow the curves on the cowling without > getting wrinkles? The essential thing is to get the thinnest possible foil. Then it won't matter much that you'll end up with two layers of foil in certain places. I ussually do the cowling in two or three parts. The wrinkling is avoided by slitting the foil where the curvature starts with a very sharp blade. Then you can lay each segment down on top of the next one. You will see the overlap ever so slightly, so on real sharp curves I usually cheat by using Humbrol silver straight from the tin here. I just did the Nieuport cowling entirely in foil, and I'm quite happy with it. I polish the foil with Dura-glit to finish it off. Then the finish comes off something between the two sides of the foil. Thirty years ago I did an Airfix Boeing Clipper with this technique, and it still looks like new. I doubt that would have been the case with paint sprayed on. Tom > > Cheers and all, > > -- > > > "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." > Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:18:07 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: NEW FSM: ALBATROSS PRODUCTIONS Message-ID: <199802071518.KAA21386@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 03:37 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Charles Hart wrote: >Anyone seen the German Lozenge article in newest FSM ? I understand it is >a real groaner. Just finished reading it. I thought it was pretty good. Some helpful hints on how to actually do it. A lot of articles in FSM seem to say things like " I then applied the decals using my usual method...". His models looked pretty good, even if they were in that smaller size. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:24:34 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: f**k ups Message-ID: <199802071624.LAA21503@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 02:25 AM 2/5/98 -0500, Dave Watts wrote: > I normally wouldn't bring this out in the open, but I figure you guys >could use this, and I'd like to hear other "war stories". > A long, long, time ago, (OK, maybe it was two years ago), I was working >on a model. I had just bought a brand new bottle of rubber contact cement. my concentration was slowly being distracted by the cool feeling emanating >from my crotch......you've got it right,....I poured the whole bottle into >my crotch. Hhmmm...rubber on the crotch, guess that means you were practicing safe modeling. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:24:36 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Edmund Thieffrey Message-ID: <199802071624.LAA21511@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 01:26 PM 2/2/98 -0500, Paul Schwartzkopf wrote: >Would anyone happen to have any info (3-views, colors, etc.) on the >Nie 17 flown by Belgian ace Edmund Thieffrey? I have one photo that >shows the Comet insignia of No. 1 Squadron, Belgian Air Service, on >the side of this aircraft, with what appears to be a "cross" (?) on >the upper fuselage behind the cockpit. TIA. Paul I think there is a color profile in the Datafile special. If you want it, let me know. When I did mine a few years ago, instead of the now accepted silver fuselage, I did mine in CDL. .Looks good either way, I bet! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:25:57 -0800 From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Subject: CD: Threaded reader format or search engine Message-ID: I have been off the list for a while due to vacations and the holiday rush but I am back now. In a recent post about the CD, Allen said that he was considering putting the post-1995 archives in both digest and "threaded reader" format. I think that would greatly enhance the usefulness of the archives. The archives on the web page are a gold mine of information. However, I find myself referring again and again to the 1994-1995 archives since they are the only ones in threaded reader format. Information on a particular topic may be present in the other archives but there is no practical way to look for it. (As far as I know.) Someone mentioned a search engine feature. I am no computer expert. Is that possible? Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:54:48 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Latest FAQ Message-ID: <19980207.155448.14070.2.mbittner@juno.com> World War I Modeling Mailing List Information and Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Charter: The World War I modeling mailing list exists for the purpose of distributing information about building models in any scale with subjects from World War I. This includes but is not limited to: Airplanes, Tanks and other ground vehicles, figurines and ships. It is an unmoderated mailing list that is maintained by Allan Wright (aew(at)pease1.sr.unh.edu). Opinions are those of the individual contributors and not those of The University of New Hampshire. Table of Contents: I. Important List Information 1. Subscription Information a. How to subscribe b. Important commands 2. Posting Articles a. How to post b. Seeing your own posts c. Changing over to the digest 3. Archive information II. Known WW1 Aviation Periodicals and Subscription Information 1. Cross & Cockade International 2. Over the Front (The League of WW1 Aviation Historians) 3. WW1 Aero (WW1 Aero) 4. Windsock III. Other WW1-oriented Email Lists 1. WWI-L: WW1 General History 2. "Virtual" Over the Front Chapter IV. Mail Order Sources V. Between the Wars Discussion VI. Commonly used Acronyms VII. Aircraft Rigging VIII. Scale Conversions for Photocopy Purposes IX. Sources for Scale Plans X. Known Problems with Model Manufacturers I. Important List Information 1. Subscription Information a. How to subscribe Send requests to subscribe or unsubscribe to wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu. This is done by the listproc mailing list software automatically. You will receive confirmation of your transaction via e-mail. b. Important commands - subscribe wwi Your_Real_Name - unsubscribe wwi - review wwi (Shows who is subscribed) - information wwi (Get information about the list) - help (Get a much more detailed file about listproc commands) - end 2. Posting Articles a. How to post Simply mail an E-mail message to wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu - the message will be sent directly to all subscribers of the mailing list. Be careful when responding to mail from the list - if you want the response to go to the whole list you may have to explicitly tell your mailer to do so. Using the Reply function of your mailer might send the response only to the original poster. b. Seeing your own posts When you mail a message to the list the server determines weather or not to send you a copy of the message depending on the settings you have set. The default is *NOT TO SEND YOU A COPY*. If you wish to see your posts bounced back to you for verification you need to tell the server to do this for you. To do so send a message to wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu with the following commands in the BODY of the message set wwi mail ack end I urge everyone, PLEASE take the time to send the server a "HELP" message and read the documentation it sends you. Also the set command might warrant some additional reading as it is how you set the server to your liking to get the most out of it. c. Changing over to the digest To change over to the digest, instead of "loose" mail, send a message to wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu with the following commands in the BODY of the message set wwi mail digest end 3. Archive Information Past articles are archived and may be accessed via the World Wide Web (WWW) at the following URL: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu This page also contains other information about WWI modeling. List Author and Maintainer: Allan Wright (aew@unh.edu) II. Known WW1 Aviation Periodicals and Subscription Information 1. Cross & Cockade International (C&CI) Membership Secretary 6 Cowper Road Southgate London N14 5RP England Cost is 17.00 pounds per year surface mail (about US$26.50). Note: membership is also available from Over the Front (see 2. below) 2. Over the Front (OtF - The League of WW1 Aviation Historians) P.O. Box 2475 Rockford IL 61132-0475 USA U.S. subscription rate is $37.00 (for 4th class mail). For 1st Class or overseas rates, please contact Dick Bennett, our membership secretary. E-mail is: 104635.1603@COMPUSERVE.COM Note: you can subscribe to C&CI at the same time you subscribe to OtF. Cost: An additional US$30 surface mail, US$45 air mail. 3. WW1 Aero (WW1 Aero) 15 Crescent Road Poughkeepsie, N.Y. 12601-4490 USA Cost is minimum US$30.00 per year, surface mail. 4. Windsock (Albatros Publications) Albatros Publications Ltd. 10 Long View Berkhamsted Herts HP4 1BY United Kingdom III. Other WW1-oriented Email Lists 1. WWI-L: WW1 General History WWI-L is an unmoderated list for the discussion of the history of World War I. Although the primary focus of the list is the 1914-1919 time period, discussions of events leading up to the Great War and its aftermath (i.e., Balkan Wars & the Russian Revolution) are also permitted and encouraged. As a scholarly list, WWI-L does not permit commercial postings. To subscribe to WWI-L, send the following message: To: listproc@raven.cc.ukans.edu subscribe WWI-L Firstname Lastname Where Firstname = your real first name, and where Lastname = your real last name. 2. "Virtual" Over the Front Chapter The Over the Front (see III.2. above) Virtual Chapter was instigated by Carl J. Bobrow. It is currently not run as a listserv, but as a big editable address book (on each subscriber's own e-mail system). If you wish to join, send a note to Carl and asked to be added (he maintains the master list of subscribers). You don't have to be a member of The League of WW1 Aviation Historians to be a member of the OtF Virtual Chapter. The Chapter is merely a list of WWI aviation history enthusiasts with e-mail addresses. IV. Mail Order Sources Most known sources that deal with WW1 modeling can be found on the web site, at http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/mailorder.html V. Between the Wars Discussion It has been brought up on the list numerous times if there could be discussion on Between the Wars (approximately 1919 to 1939) subjects. Since this is a list devoted to WW1 modeling, large discussions about this time period are to be avoided. However, the list will allow a "feeler" message, where all discussion afterwards goes to private email. So, for example, you want some info on the Curtiss P-1, you would post a message to the list (maybe designate in the subject that the subject is Between the Wars or "off topic") and then anyone who wants to follow up on the discussion will move it to private email. The important thing to remember is to take the discussion off list. VI. Commonly used Acronyms >From time to time, you may see the following acronyms floating around the list. While most are considered "internet in general", there are a few that are list specific. AFAIK: As Far As I Know BTW: By The Way FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions FWIW: For What It's Worth IIRC: If I Recall Correctly IMHO: In My Honest Opinion, or In My Humble Opinion IMNSHO: In My Not So Honest Opinion ROTFL: Rolling On The Floor Laughing RTFD: Read The F Directions RTFM: Read The F Manual RTMS: Read The Manual Stupid SMBIKA: Stop Me Before I Kill Again SWBU: Shake Well Before Using SWMBO: She Who Must Be Obeyed TETE: This End Towards Enemy TIA: Thanks In Advance TTFN: Ta Ta For Now WTFDTM: What The FAQ Does That Mean YMMV: Your milage may vary In the same vein, there are a few abbreviations that should be explained: A-H: Austro-Hungary/ian AEG: Allgemeinen Electrizitats Gesellschaft (Berlin, Germany) Alb: Albatros B.E.: Bleriot Experimental C: French: Chasse or Pursuit (single-seat fighter)/ German: two-seat recc. CA: Crazy Glue (i.e. cyanoacrylate) D: Doppledecker (German Biplane) DFW: Deutsch Flugzeug Werke Dr: Dreidecker (German Triplane) E: Eindecker (German Monoplane) Esc: Escadrille F.E.: Farman Experimental Fok: Fokker G: Grossfleugzeuge (German Large airplane) LFG: Luftfahrzeug Gesellschaft LVG: Luft-Verkehrs Gesellschaft LWF: Lowe, Willard, and Fowler (USA) MS: Morane Saulnier MoS: Morane Saulnier N: Nieuport Nie: Nieuport P/E: Photoetched RAE: Royal Aircraft Establishment RAF: Royal Air Force R.E.: Recconaissance Experimental RFC: Royal Flying Corps RNAS: Royal Naval Air Service S.E.: Scout Experimental (originally Santos-Dumont Experimental) SSW: Siemens-Schukert Werkes T-M: Thomas Morse In addition, the list has come up with some abbreviations to show what one is currely working on. These are: nb: Now Building, i.e. what is currently on the bench, and actively being worked on nu: Next Up; this shows what the next model is after the nb is complete. sitnf: Sometime In The Near Future; you see yourself working on this model at some forseable future point. fdtr: Further Down The Road; another model that you see yourself working on, after the sitnf one. np: Now Playing; some members are avid music listeners, sometime listening to music while they build. This is what they are currently listening to. nr: Now Reading; this is the current book, article of periodicle one is currently reading. VII. Aircraft Rigging Rigging models is always a tricky endeavour. You will get as many ideas on how to do it as there are modelers. Each has their own trick and techique; this section is to explain a few of the more "common" ones, as well as provide a source for some of the rigging material. There are a few ways to rig your models. One of the favorites is to drill holes all the way through the area where the rigging will be. Glue the rigging in one of the holes, wait for it to dry, then pull it through the other hole. Glue, again wait for it to dry, then cut off the excess. Finally, if the parts need it, fill the hole and continue. Another popular method is to use a pair of architectual dividers (found in any art or architect store) to measure the precise distance of where the rigging is to be. Cut your rigging source a little longer than what the dividers show, then through trial fitting, cut the rigging to the exact length needed. 1. Stretched Sprue. There are a lot of people who stretch sprue for rigging. Stretching sprue becomes an art. To start, you want to get the right color of sprue (most agree on a gray, or steel color), and you want to get a lot of it. It is wise to practice first. Start by holding the sprue above a lit candle, say two to three inches. When the sprue gets warm, and starts to sag, pull it *gently* until you have the desired thickness. After pulling, be sure to keep the sprue away from the candle, otherwise the sprue will melt. Again, practice is important. There will come a time where you'll be able to pull the same thickness consistently. 2. Real wire. Some individuals use real wire for rigging. Depending on your scale, you want to choose a thickness that looks like it's about to scale. Note that just because a certain "brand" is listed under a specific scale does *not* mean that "brand" can only be used on that scale. Here are some ideas, plus their sources: a. 1/72nd scale: i. .006" Detail Associates Brass "Rod", product number xxxx This is used in conjunction with a product called "Blacken It" (unless you want to keep the rigging a bronze color), and both are found in the model rairoad section of your hobby shop. ii. .004" Carbon Steel Wire This is availble through Sopwith Hobbies, P.O. Box 560442, Miami, FL, USA, 33256-0442 (email is sopwith@worldnet.att.net). It comes in a pack of three strands of 55" each strand for (as of 24 Oct 96) US$5.95 per pack. Add US$3.00 for postage and handling. b. 1/48th scale: .006" Ceramic "wire", product number xxxx This appears to be available only through Precision Enterprise, Inc. A pack containing x number of inches is US$5.95. Add US$3.00 for postage on two packs. VIII. Scale Conversions for Photocopy Purposes To easily convert from one scale to another in regards to reducing or enlarging drawings etc. using a photocopier, visit http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/scalecon.html and follow the instructions. IX. Sources for Scale Plans To help with the many questions regarding scale plans for a particular subject, the list below provides most known sources of scale plans. Note that this list is geared toward the plastic modeler; however, it should be easy to take these plans and using a photocopier reduce or enlarge to fit any scale (see Section VIII. above). 1. Flying Machines Press - Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of World War One ISBN 0-9637110-0-8 (1993) - The Imperial Russian Air Service ISBN 0-9637110-2-4 (1995) - French Aircraft of the First World War ISBN 0-9637110-4-0 (1997) 2. The German Giants 'The German R-Planes 1914-1918' ISBN 0 85177 812 7 (1988) 3. Harleyford Series - Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War ISBN 60-11220 (1960) - Bomber Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War (ISBN needed) - Naval Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War (ISBN Needed) 4. Scale Aircraft Drawings Volume 1 - World War 1 ISBN 0-911295-02-X (1986) older drawings from Model Airplane News some drawn as early as 1948 5. Windsock Datafiles Series has both 1/72 and 1/48 scale drawings 6. Airplane Engine Encyclopedia, Angle, Glenn D., 1921 The Otterbein Press. Try your inter-library loan. 7. Revell, Alex, High in the Empty Blue, ISBN 0-9637110-3-2 8. Sturtivant, Ray and Gordon Page, The S.E. 5 File, ISBN 0-85130-246-7 9. Sturtivant, Ray and Gordon page, The Camel File, ISBN 0-85130-212-2 10. Motorbooks International - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 1, ISBN 0-85242-983-5 (1989) - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 2, ISBN 0-85242-984-3 (1989) - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 3, ISBN 0-85242-998-3 (1989) X. Known Problems with Model Manufacturers Currently, one manufacturer seems to stick out from others with questions generated on the list. Meikraft models is a good source of WW1 limited run models; however, some people in the past have had problems dealing direct with them. For more information about Meikraft's ordering policy, please contact the list. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:30:01 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest FAQ Message-ID: Matt, Current subscription rate for C&CI is 19.00 pounds, about US$31.00. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:52:35 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest FAQ Message-ID: <19980207.175301.14486.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:29:41 -0500 Charles Hart writes: > Current subscription rate for C&CI is 19.00 pounds, about >US$31.00. Thanks! Next message from me will be the updated FAQ. Sorry for posting twice in one day. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:53:00 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Latest FAQ (I promise) :-) Message-ID: <19980207.175301.14486.1.mbittner@juno.com> World War I Modeling Mailing List Information and Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Charter: The World War I modeling mailing list exists for the purpose of distributing information about building models in any scale with subjects from World War I. This includes but is not limited to: Airplanes, Tanks and other ground vehicles, figurines and ships. It is an unmoderated mailing list that is maintained by Allan Wright (aew(at)pease1.sr.unh.edu). Opinions are those of the individual contributors and not those of The University of New Hampshire. Table of Contents: I. Important List Information 1. Subscription Information a. How to subscribe b. Important commands 2. Posting Articles a. How to post b. Seeing your own posts c. Changing over to the digest 3. Archive information II. Known WW1 Aviation Periodicals and Subscription Information 1. Cross & Cockade International 2. Over the Front (The League of WW1 Aviation Historians) 3. WW1 Aero (WW1 Aero) 4. Windsock III. Other WW1-oriented Email Lists 1. WWI-L: WW1 General History 2. "Virtual" Over the Front Chapter IV. Mail Order Sources V. Between the Wars Discussion VI. Commonly used Acronyms VII. Aircraft Rigging VIII. Scale Conversions for Photocopy Purposes IX. Sources for Scale Plans X. Known Problems with Model Manufacturers I. Important List Information 1. Subscription Information a. How to subscribe Send requests to subscribe or unsubscribe to wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu. This is done by the listproc mailing list software automatically. You will receive confirmation of your transaction via e-mail. b. Important commands - subscribe wwi Your_Real_Name - unsubscribe wwi - review wwi (Shows who is subscribed) - information wwi (Get information about the list) - help (Get a much more detailed file about listproc commands) - end 2. Posting Articles a. How to post Simply mail an E-mail message to wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu - the message will be sent directly to all subscribers of the mailing list. Be careful when responding to mail from the list - if you want the response to go to the whole list you may have to explicitly tell your mailer to do so. Using the Reply function of your mailer might send the response only to the original poster. b. Seeing your own posts When you mail a message to the list the server determines weather or not to send you a copy of the message depending on the settings you have set. The default is *NOT TO SEND YOU A COPY*. If you wish to see your posts bounced back to you for verification you need to tell the server to do this for you. To do so send a message to wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu with the following commands in the BODY of the message set wwi mail ack end I urge everyone, PLEASE take the time to send the server a "HELP" message and read the documentation it sends you. Also the set command might warrant some additional reading as it is how you set the server to your liking to get the most out of it. c. Changing over to the digest To change over to the digest, instead of "loose" mail, send a message to wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu with the following commands in the BODY of the message set wwi mail digest end 3. Archive Information Past articles are archived and may be accessed via the World Wide Web (WWW) at the following URL: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu This page also contains other information about WWI modeling. List Author and Maintainer: Allan Wright (aew@unh.edu) II. Known WW1 Aviation Periodicals and Subscription Information 1. Cross & Cockade International (C&CI) Membership Secretary 6 Cowper Road Southgate London N14 5RP England Cost is 19.00 UK pounds per year surface mail (about US$31.00). Note: membership is also available from Over the Front (see 2. below) 2. Over the Front (OtF - The League of WW1 Aviation Historians) P.O. Box 2475 Rockford IL 61132-0475 USA U.S. subscription rate is $37.00 (for 4th class mail). For 1st Class or overseas rates, please contact Dick Bennett, our membership secretary. E-mail is: 104635.1603@COMPUSERVE.COM Note: you can subscribe to C&CI at the same time you subscribe to OtF. Cost: An additional US$30 surface mail, US$45 air mail. 3. WW1 Aero (WW1 Aero) 15 Crescent Road Poughkeepsie, N.Y. 12601-4490 USA Cost is minimum US$30.00 per year, surface mail. 4. Windsock (Albatros Publications) Albatros Publications Ltd. 10 Long View Berkhamsted Herts HP4 1BY United Kingdom III. Other WW1-oriented Email Lists 1. WWI-L: WW1 General History WWI-L is an unmoderated list for the discussion of the history of World War I. Although the primary focus of the list is the 1914-1919 time period, discussions of events leading up to the Great War and its aftermath (i.e., Balkan Wars & the Russian Revolution) are also permitted and encouraged. As a scholarly list, WWI-L does not permit commercial postings. To subscribe to WWI-L, send the following message: To: listproc@raven.cc.ukans.edu subscribe WWI-L Firstname Lastname Where Firstname = your real first name, and where Lastname = your real last name. 2. "Virtual" Over the Front Chapter The Over the Front (see III.2. above) Virtual Chapter was instigated by Carl J. Bobrow. It is currently not run as a listserv, but as a big editable address book (on each subscriber's own e-mail system). If you wish to join, send a note to Carl and asked to be added (he maintains the master list of subscribers). You don't have to be a member of The League of WW1 Aviation Historians to be a member of the OtF Virtual Chapter. The Chapter is merely a list of WWI aviation history enthusiasts with e-mail addresses. IV. Mail Order Sources Most known sources that deal with WW1 modeling can be found on the web site, at http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/mailorder.html V. Between the Wars Discussion It has been brought up on the list numerous times if there could be discussion on Between the Wars (approximately 1919 to 1939) subjects. Since this is a list devoted to WW1 modeling, large discussions about this time period are to be avoided. However, the list will allow a "feeler" message, where all discussion afterwards goes to private email. So, for example, you want some info on the Curtiss P-1, you would post a message to the list (maybe designate in the subject that the subject is Between the Wars or "off topic") and then anyone who wants to follow up on the discussion will move it to private email. The important thing to remember is to take the discussion off list. VI. Commonly used Acronyms >From time to time, you may see the following acronyms floating around the list. While most are considered "internet in general", there are a few that are list specific. AFAIK: As Far As I Know BTW: By The Way FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions FWIW: For What It's Worth IIRC: If I Recall Correctly IMHO: In My Honest Opinion, or In My Humble Opinion IMNSHO: In My Not So Honest Opinion ROTFL: Rolling On The Floor Laughing RTFD: Read The F Directions RTFM: Read The F Manual RTMS: Read The Manual Stupid SMBIKA: Stop Me Before I Kill Again SWBU: Shake Well Before Using SWMBO: She Who Must Be Obeyed TETE: This End Towards Enemy TIA: Thanks In Advance TTFN: Ta Ta For Now WTFDTM: What The FAQ Does That Mean YMMV: Your milage may vary In the same vein, there are a few abbreviations that should be explained: A-H: Austro-Hungary/ian AEG: Allgemeinen Electrizitats Gesellschaft (Berlin, Germany) Alb: Albatros B.E.: Bleriot Experimental C: French: Chasse or Pursuit (single-seat fighter)/ German: two-seat recc. CA: Crazy Glue (i.e. cyanoacrylate) D: Doppledecker (German Biplane) DFW: Deutsch Flugzeug Werke Dr: Dreidecker (German Triplane) E: Eindecker (German Monoplane) Esc: Escadrille F.E.: Farman Experimental Fok: Fokker G: Grossfleugzeuge (German Large airplane) LFG: Luftfahrzeug Gesellschaft LVG: Luft-Verkehrs Gesellschaft LWF: Lowe, Willard, and Fowler (USA) MS: Morane Saulnier MoS: Morane Saulnier N: Nieuport Nie: Nieuport P/E: Photoetched RAE: Royal Aircraft Establishment RAF: Royal Air Force R.E.: Recconaissance Experimental RFC: Royal Flying Corps RNAS: Royal Naval Air Service S.E.: Scout Experimental (originally Santos-Dumont Experimental) SSW: Siemens-Schukert Werkes T-M: Thomas Morse In addition, the list has come up with some abbreviations to show what one is currely working on. These are: nb: Now Building, i.e. what is currently on the bench, and actively being worked on nu: Next Up; this shows what the next model is after the nb is complete. sitnf: Sometime In The Near Future; you see yourself working on this model at some forseable future point. fdtr: Further Down The Road; another model that you see yourself working on, after the sitnf one. np: Now Playing; some members are avid music listeners, sometime listening to music while they build. This is what they are currently listening to. nr: Now Reading; this is the current book, article of periodicle one is currently reading. VII. Aircraft Rigging Rigging models is always a tricky endeavour. You will get as many ideas on how to do it as there are modelers. Each has their own trick and techique; this section is to explain a few of the more "common" ones, as well as provide a source for some of the rigging material. There are a few ways to rig your models. One of the favorites is to drill holes all the way through the area where the rigging will be. Glue the rigging in one of the holes, wait for it to dry, then pull it through the other hole. Glue, again wait for it to dry, then cut off the excess. Finally, if the parts need it, fill the hole and continue. Another popular method is to use a pair of architectual dividers (found in any art or architect store) to measure the precise distance of where the rigging is to be. Cut your rigging source a little longer than what the dividers show, then through trial fitting, cut the rigging to the exact length needed. 1. Stretched Sprue. There are a lot of people who stretch sprue for rigging. Stretching sprue becomes an art. To start, you want to get the right color of sprue (most agree on a gray, or steel color), and you want to get a lot of it. It is wise to practice first. Start by holding the sprue above a lit candle, say two to three inches. When the sprue gets warm, and starts to sag, pull it *gently* until you have the desired thickness. After pulling, be sure to keep the sprue away from the candle, otherwise the sprue will melt. Again, practice is important. There will come a time where you'll be able to pull the same thickness consistently. 2. Real wire. Some individuals use real wire for rigging. Depending on your scale, you want to choose a thickness that looks like it's about to scale. Note that just because a certain "brand" is listed under a specific scale does *not* mean that "brand" can only be used on that scale. Here are some ideas, plus their sources: a. 1/72nd scale: i. .006" Detail Associates Brass "Rod", product number xxxx This is used in conjunction with a product called "Blacken It" (unless you want to keep the rigging a bronze color), and both are found in the model rairoad section of your hobby shop. ii. .004" Carbon Steel Wire This is availble through Sopwith Hobbies, P.O. Box 560442, Miami, FL, USA, 33256-0442 (email is sopwith@worldnet.att.net). It comes in a pack of three strands of 55" each strand for (as of 24 Oct 96) US$5.95 per pack. Add US$3.00 for postage and handling. b. 1/48th scale: .006" Ceramic "wire", product number xxxx This appears to be available only through Precision Enterprise, Inc. A pack containing x number of inches is US$5.95. Add US$3.00 for postage on two packs. VIII. Scale Conversions for Photocopy Purposes To easily convert from one scale to another in regards to reducing or enlarging drawings etc. using a photocopier, visit http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/scalecon.html and follow the instructions. IX. Sources for Scale Plans To help with the many questions regarding scale plans for a particular subject, the list below provides most known sources of scale plans. Note that this list is geared toward the plastic modeler; however, it should be easy to take these plans and using a photocopier reduce or enlarge to fit any scale (see Section VIII. above). 1. Flying Machines Press - Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of World War One ISBN 0-9637110-0-8 (1993) - The Imperial Russian Air Service ISBN 0-9637110-2-4 (1995) - French Aircraft of the First World War ISBN 0-9637110-4-0 (1997) 2. The German Giants 'The German R-Planes 1914-1918' ISBN 0 85177 812 7 (1988) 3. Harleyford Series - Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War ISBN 60-11220 (1960) - Bomber Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War (ISBN needed) - Naval Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War (ISBN Needed) 4. Scale Aircraft Drawings Volume 1 - World War 1 ISBN 0-911295-02-X (1986) older drawings from Model Airplane News some drawn as early as 1948 5. Windsock Datafiles Series has both 1/72 and 1/48 scale drawings 6. Airplane Engine Encyclopedia, Angle, Glenn D., 1921 The Otterbein Press. Try your inter-library loan. 7. Revell, Alex, High in the Empty Blue, ISBN 0-9637110-3-2 8. Sturtivant, Ray and Gordon Page, The S.E. 5 File, ISBN 0-85130-246-7 9. Sturtivant, Ray and Gordon page, The Camel File, ISBN 0-85130-212-2 10. Motorbooks International - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 1, ISBN 0-85242-983-5 (1989) - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 2, ISBN 0-85242-984-3 (1989) - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 3, ISBN 0-85242-998-3 (1989) X. Known Problems with Model Manufacturers Currently, one manufacturer seems to stick out from others with questions generated on the list. Meikraft models is a good source of WW1 limited run models; however, some people in the past have had problems dealing direct with them. For more information about Meikraft's ordering policy, please contact the list. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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