WWI Digest 879 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Morane Saulnier help by Patrick Padovan 2) Re: WWI WWW Page on CD? by Patrick Padovan 3) wwi page on cd-rom by James Gibbons 4) Re: Off topic by "Alexandre " 5) RE: Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) by Reid Sweatman 6) Re: wwi page on cd-rom by Don Rinker 7) Re: Staggerwing by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: Meikraft-Staggerwing by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Re: Off topic by mbittner@juno.com 10) Re: Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 11) Re: wwi page on cd-rom by Joey Valenciano 12) Re: wwi page on cd-rom by aew (Allan Wright) 13) Re: CD by aew (Allan Wright) 14) Re: wwi page on cd-rom by Don Rinker 15) Re: wwi page on cd-rom by rojo1@concentric.net 16) CD by Dave Watts 17) Re: CD by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: CD by Bob Pearson 19) f**k ups by Dave Watts 20) Re: f**k ups by Bob Pearson 21) Re: CD by Ernest Thomas 22) Re: CD by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 23) Re: CD by Ernest Thomas 24) Re: f**k ups by Ernest Thomas 25) Re: f**k ups by Bob Pearson 26) Re: CD by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 27) Re: CD by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 28) Re: CD by mbittner@juno.com 29) Re: wwi page on cd-rom by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 30) Re: wwi page on cd-rom by Don RInker 31) Re: wwi page on cd-rom by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 32) Red Baron Theme by "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" 33) Re: wwi page on cd-rom by aew (Allan Wright) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:23:34 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier help Message-ID: Dear Matt: I've got the Eduard Type N kit. I'll send you a copy of the plans, along with the Yak stuff. (I haven't mailed the Yak stuff yet- I forgot to pick up stamps!) Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:25:14 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: WWI WWW Page on CD? Message-ID: Dear Allan: Thanks for the reply! I figured it was worth asking, anyway. regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:09:43 -0500 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: wwi page on cd-rom Message-ID: <01BD3187.4FEB2B40.jgibbons@vppsa.com> Note to all (in an attempt to encourage more interest), I was talking to Allan about his e-mail regarding putting the WW-I page on CD-ROM. Remember folks, according to AJ, this would include the archived digests and old messages. What better resource for the price could there be? Allan says he needs ten or more people to be interested in order to make this worth while. James Gibbons ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:11:32 -0200 From: "Alexandre " To: Subject: Re: Off topic Message-ID: <199802042311.XAA05546@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br> Hi Matt ! Congratulations ! Is the best site about Soviet Aircraft I've ever seen. I know I'll learn more about the "red 'planes" in WW II. Thanks and go on ! Best regards, Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br ---------- > De: Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U > Para: Multiple recipients of list > Assunto: Off topic > Data: Ter=E7a-feira, 3 de Fevereiro de 1998 19:05 >=20 > Not to toot our own horn, or anything, but for those with an interest, > Erik P. and I have created a web site devoted to WW2 VVS modeling. > Check out: >=20 > http://www.oz.net/~xopowo/VVS/vvs.htm >=20 >=20 > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:18:10 -0700 From: Reid Sweatman To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) Message-ID: <01BD3188.7CB82C80.Reid.Sweatman@m.cc.utah.edu> On Tuesday, February 03, 1998 4:18 PM, Bob Pearson [SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com] wrote: > > Mark, > > After my journey through Stewart Taylor's files a couple of years ago. I > wrote the following note to myself . . . > > "Although one of the more elegant aircraft of the First World War, the Pfalz > D.III/D.IIIa has always been considered to be less successful than the > Albatros series of fighters. This is curious since most Allied evaluations > of both types favour the Pfalz. So why did the Germans feel it was the > inferior of the two? Information in the possession of S K Taylor may explain > this question. > Stewart has been given a translation of the Jasta 49 log and it lists > chronic complaints with their Pfalz aircraft. Chief amongst these is that > the aft fuselage is subject to warping. This could be due to their having > been left out of doors and subject to the effects of weather. Others include > mismatched cylinders and metal filings in the engine, radiators subject to > corrosion. These were suspected to be the result of using unwilling labour > in the Pfalz factory." > > In regard to the *command stripes*. If these are in fact what they are, this > can be ex[plained as the dragon D.V was the aircraft of Oblt Flashar, OC of > Jasta 5, prior to von Hippel's spot of excitement with it. > > regards, > Bob Pearson > Well, you also have to consider that pilots often develop irrational dislikes of certain types which are actually very good aircraft. Famous examples would include the Ju-88 and (believe it or not) the Albatros where they first used the sesquiplane wing arrangement (think it was the D.III, but someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong ). Before anyone jumps on that last one, I'll explain. The Germans had been very impressed with the turning performance of the Early Nieuports, so they copied the wing arrangement, not realizing the big deficiency the French had already discovered. Because there was only a single spar in the lower wing, and much less bracing than was usual in a biplane, the aircraft didn't do too well in situations that put torque on the spar, i.e., things like pulling out of dives. When the Germans discovered it for themselves, they issued orders that the aircraft was not to be dived! To say this had a deleterious effect on morale is an understatement. When they put a temporary fix on the aircraft in the form of a small sway-brace attached to the lower wing and one of the main braces, the order still stayed in effect, even though the aircraft was then much safer in dives. But the morale effect stuck, and the pilots didn't regard the Albatrosses as matches for the newer Allied aircraft, even in situations where they really were. As for the Pfalz, I've no doubt your comments on forced labor have much to do with it. But the aircraft really were pretty much a match for the Albatrosses in performance tests, and lots of aircraft, including Albatrosses and Fokkers suffered from poor manufacturing and materials, particularly as the war progressed. One other point that may be to the point is that, unless I'm badly mis-recalling something, the Albatrosses were German (i.e., Prussian) aircraft, while the Pfalzes were Bavarian, so they were largely used by the Staffeln of the respective air forces, and not in the same Staffeln. Anyone check me on this? I don't have my sources here, so I can't check up on it. Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer Reid.Sweatman@m.cc.utah.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 19:03:31 -0500 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: wwi page on cd-rom Message-ID: <34D901D3.431@fast.net> James Gibbons wrote: > > Note to all (in an attempt to encourage more interest), > > I was talking to Allan about his e-mail regarding putting the WW-I page on > CD-ROM. Remember folks, according to AJ, this would include the archived > digests and old messages. What better resource for the price could there > be? > > Allan says he needs ten or more people to be interested in order to make > this worth while. > I'm a little confused here. Wasn't the asking price something like 25.00? A recordable blank CD only costs about 1.35 to 2.00 each depending on quantity. A mailer is about 1.00 including postage. I'd not begrudge anyone some dollars for going to the trouble, but how was 25.00 arrived at ? Seems a bit steep to me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:05:58 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Staggerwing Message-ID: <182cdd2d.34d90268@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-03 16:43:39 EST, you write: << So, which staggerwing is Glencoe scheduled to product - the 1/48 AMT or the 1/32 ITC/Staggerwings Unltd? >> Whilst talking to Glencoe's head cheese Nick Argento about the Wright Flyer boxtop, the Staggerwing came up- it's the old ITC 1/32. Another kit with more "potential " than out-of-the-box goodness.Many years ago, there was an article in Scale Modeler (NOT FSM) about reaming this kit out- sounds like alot of work, but the results would be impressive. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:05:59 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft-Staggerwing Message-ID: <80fe612d.34d90269@aol.com> In a message dated 98-02-03 13:49:12 EST, you write: << Maybe Eduard or Hasegawa will oneday produce a Staggerwing. And I'd like to see the AMT kit surface again myself! Robert, I also love Dragon Rapides, maybe both of these remind us of WWI aircraft, with a "modern" flavor. Brian >> I've just finished the Eduard Pfalz D III and one of my references was Scale Models Oct'80 and a few pages over was a big article and plan set on the Rapide! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:20:54 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic Message-ID: <19980204.182702.14110.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:15:49 -0500 "Alexandre " writes: > Congratulations ! Is the best site about Soviet Aircraft I've ever >seen. >I know I'll learn more about the "red 'planes" in WW II. Thanks! Don't forget about Erik, as well. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:25:38 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) Message-ID: <199802050025.AA07765@ednet1.orednet.org> Mark wrote: >Thank you all, I appreciate the help. On the other hand, is it sure >that Hipple had the chevron on this aircraft ;{)? I don't think it is sure at all - I think most folks are working from the same photo you are - and because there seems to be a hint of "something" there and because JG 5 Albatri were "often, but not always, marked with a white chevron on the upper wing.", the illustrators tend to add the chevron. I suspect this may be one of the thousands of color and markings mysteries which the "true answer" to is lost forever in the mists of time. If I were building the model though, I'd use the chevron because: 1) Some reputable references put it there, and, 2) The chevron _is_ a legitimate JG 5 marking, and 3) (most importantly) The model would look more "way cool" with the chevron than without. My dime's worth, anyway. Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 08:44:15 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: wwi page on cd-rom Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980205084415.006c3298@philonline.com.ph> At 04:13 PM 2/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >Note to all (in an attempt to encourage more interest), > >I was talking to Allan about his e-mail regarding putting the WW-I page on >CD-ROM. Remember folks, according to AJ, this would include the archived >digests and old messages. What better resource for the price could there >be? If this would contain the archives, count me in! Uh, if on CD, what would be an effective way to 'search' for info in the archive? >Allan says he needs ten or more people to be interested in order to make >this worth while. > >James Gibbons > > ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:37:53 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: wwi page on cd-rom Message-ID: <199802050237.VAA11738@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I'm a little confused here. Wasn't the asking price something like > 25.00? > > A recordable blank CD only costs about 1.35 to 2.00 each depending on > quantity. A mailer is about 1.00 including postage. I'd not begrudge > anyone Well, I'll not be buying in 'quantity' so my price from work is $2.50 per. First class shipping is $2.90 plus about a buck for a mailer. Total cost about 5 bucks. Around here to get the $200/disk price you have to buy a case of 50 disks. I shutter to think how many I'd have to buy to get your $1.35 per disk price. > some dollars for going to the trouble, but how was 25.00 arrived at ? > Seems a bit steep to me. OK, you sit at work after hours and wait for each CD to burn for about an hour then. I only have access to the cd-writer at work and it's single speed and I have to use it after hours on my own time. I'm sorry if you feel an hour of my time isn't worth $20. I charge $65-75 per hour for consulting, I figured I was giving everyone a break. I'm not forcing anyone to do this, you can feel free to download the whole site and burn your own. Your thinking is also assuming I can simply 'dump' the whole site to a CD and it will 'just work' off the net. Well, I know how the site is set up and there are a LOT of places that will have to be 'cleaned up' before a CD could be burnt that would be of any use offline. I never designed the site to be run offline when I started. That's the reason I'm not going to to this if I don't get enough people interested. I can use the data 'raw' for myself, but I'd feel obligated to clean it up for anyone else and this would take a considerable amount of time as well. The way I came up with the $25.00 price was simple. I just payed that to get a CD of the Apple Newton archives from the Arizona Macintosh User's Group. I figured that if I was willing to pay that for something that interests me that it was a fair price. Sorry if you dissagree. Personally, I now it's going to be real nice to have the archives and all the images on my home machine without having to wait to download them. Sorry if this sounds tense, but I don't like having is sound like I'm doing this to cheat anyone out of their money. I've poured hundreds, possibly thousands of hours of my own time administering this list and the WWW page strictly for the enjoyment of it and never asked for anything from the lists users. I appreciate the participation of the lists members and simply offered this in case people were interested, if the price sounds 'too steep' then don't ask me to make you one you're still welcome to use the site and the list, free of charge with my compliments. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wbacon@netjava.net Cc: wwi Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <199802050241.VAA11776@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Put me down for one please. Great idea. Question: Do ypu expect to put > the early posts inthe current format? Just an idea The early posts will be put on the disk exactly the way they are now. I have to way to digest them after the fact. I may take the time to put all of the posts into the 'threaded reader' format in addition to the current archived digest form, providing I have room on the CD, which I think I have. The current message archives, images and WWW pages total about 300 megs. Threading all the messages will up that to about 425megs. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:26:52 -0500 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: wwi page on cd-rom Message-ID: <34D93F8C.1CFD@fast.net> Allan Wright wrote: > > > I'm a little confused here. Wasn't the asking price something like > > 25.00? > OK, you sit at work after hours ............. (Massive thrity line uncalled for flame job deleted) > don't ask me to make you one you're still welcome to use the site and the > list, free of charge with my compliments. > > -Allan You know , Allan, some of the new decaffinated brands are just as tasty as regular coffee. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:32:07 +0000 From: rojo1@concentric.net To: wwi Subject: Re: wwi page on cd-rom Message-ID: <199802050537.AAA23362@marconi.concentric.net> > I'm a little confused here. Wasn't the asking price something like > 25.00? > > A recordable blank CD only costs about 1.35 to 2.00 each depending on > quantity. A mailer is about 1.00 including postage. I'd not begrudge > anyone > some dollars for going to the trouble, but how was 25.00 arrived at ? > Seems a bit steep to me. Steep? It's only $25 because Mr. Wright isn't charging for the labor (or if he is, he should e-mail me privately so I can explain some things to him). I make these CDs all the time at work, and I'd estimate the real cost at between $45 and $65, with labor, assuming that I don't screw up the setup and waste a disk. This is why commercial CDs get mastered and pressed by robotic machines rather than burned on somebody's desktop. Rob Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 01:30:39 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: CD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980205013039.007cc100@192.168.0.5> Hi Allan, Nothing like giving out free chocolate chip cookies at a picnic, and when you ask if anyone would like to pitch in to buy a quart of milk, you get the surprised look of dismay. Count me in, it'll save me that much money in freed up memory, on my computer, (I keep too many damned postings). "Keep the dark lozenge side up"*, Dave * That's a little joke on the sod layer joke of, "green side up",....hey it's late....cut me some slack,....or is it,...the seams runs parallel to the chord. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 02:08:33 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-05 01:43:50 EST, you write: << Hi Allan, Nothing like giving out free chocolate chip cookies at a picnic, and when you ask if anyone would like to pitch in to buy a quart of milk, you get the surprised look of dismay. Count me in, it'll save me that much money in freed up memory, on my computer, (I keep too many damned postings). "Keep the dark lozenge side up"*, Dave >> Considering what $25 gets these days (geez, using that phrases makes me feel old) a CD with all this good stuff lurking on it sounds great. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:22:39 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <07223998706965@KAIEN.COM> -> Nothing like giving out free chocolate chip cookies at a picnic, and when > you ask if anyone would like to pitch in to buy a quart of milk, you get > the surprised look of dismay. Dave, That is a very true statement. At Ottawa and Washington I was letting anyone who wanted to, take a b/w binder of zeroxes of ALL my profiles and copy at their own cost in the hotel - I complaints that it wasn't already done for them, and when I said that the actual profiles weren't for sale the very same person at both seminars asked what I brought them there for if not for sale (I wonder if I will see/hear Mr X again in Phoenix). I would take a CD provided it runs off of our browsers and doesn't need extra software to work. regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 02:07:32 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: f**k ups Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980205020732.007c0b10@192.168.0.5> I normally wouldn't bring this out in the open, but I figure you guys could use this, and I'd like to hear other "war stories". A long, long, time ago, (OK, maybe it was two years ago), I was working on a model. I had just bought a brand new bottle of rubber contact cement. Holding the bottle in my left hand, I popped the seal, unthreaded the cap, pulled out the applicator with my right hand,.....giving full concentration to the model, (which I also held in my left hand, with the open bottle), I began to apply the glue, (the model obscuring my view of the bottle immediately behind), with full concentration, I slowly rotated the model, applying the glue as I went,.....(I think you get the picture).....my concentration was slowly being distracted by the cool feeling emanating from my crotch......you've got it right,....I poured the whole bottle into my crotch. And no!, I wont go into what type of model you use bottled rubber cement on, I was in a hurry, OK. That's all I'm going to say about it. You can come up with your own punch-line. Alright, I want to hear some others fess up. Best Wishes, Dave PS.I won't even go into the time I was carving out a wooden motor mount, and while pulling the Xacto knife towards myself, the blade slipped, and I stuck the blade into my wrist up to the hilt. You've got to love it when you can count your heart rate by the spurts, my "best" friend thought it was quite entertaining. I almost passed out. Love those Xacto stories. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:32:31 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: f**k ups Message-ID: <07323126806987@KAIEN.COM> > PS.I won't even go into the time I was carving out a wooden motor mount, > and while pulling the Xacto knife towards myself, the blade slipped, and I > stuck the blade into my wrist up to the hilt. You've got to love it when > you can count your heart rate by the spurts, my "best" friend thought it > was quite entertaining. I almost passed out. Love those Xacto stories. Oh yes, My right hand just hates the left one - otherwise why would it keep trying to kill the left. My 'favorite' story is supergluing my ring finger callus back on , so I would be able to play guitar in the bar that same night Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 01:36:40 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <34D96C08.46F0@bellsouth.net> What the hell. Put me down for one. Any chance I could submit some model pics before you burn em. For that matter, Allan, I have 100 pictures from 2 years of Aerodrome. These would include 3 decent shots of a DH-5, DrI cockpits w/o the skin, engines, 2 Alb. D-Va's, a nice Pfalz, N. 28's, some nice shots of fly-by's, and lots of others. Here's the rub. I don't have any way to put them on a disk. I'll gladly lend them to a responsible person who has that capability if you would like to build up the image library before you make up the CD's. Let me know. Ernest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:57:21 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <199802050757.AA14883@ednet1.orednet.org> Would the CD be in Mac compatible format or would it be only for the acolytes of Bill Gates (he of the pie spattered face!)?? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 02:05:31 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <34D972CB.62C9@bellsouth.net> BILL SHATZER. I AM BILLGATES OF BORG. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 01:54:55 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: f**k ups Message-ID: <34D9704F.233D@bellsouth.net> Ok. I'll play. This past October, I'm just about to start rigging my Ed. Plz.D-III at 1:00am the night before the local contest. Still not sure how but as I approach the model with the first piece of wire, I see a BIG drop of C/A right on top of the wing. And after four years of having no competition in Bipes & WWI, a guy shows up with 3 real nice entries and sweeps it by default. And I have a scar on the tip of my left ring finger from a real Monty Python Blood Gushing scene with a 1/28 Sop. Camel from 21 years ago. Ernest BTW Dave, Are you trying to tell us you build models in your birthday suit? I wish I could be like David Watts... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:24:19 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: f**k ups Message-ID: <08241991807053@KAIEN.COM> > And I have a scar on the tip of my left ring finger from a real Monty > Python Blood Gushing scene with a 1/28 Sop. Camel from 21 years ago. Even in 1/28 scale the Camel gets its operators :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:24:43 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <199802050824.AA20254@ednet1.orednet.org> > >BILL SHATZER. I AM BILLGATES OF BORG. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED! Sigh! Oh well, do your worst! It can't be worse than the folks who keep flooding my mail box with solicitations for "hot sexy babes". Indeed, I would trade assimilation for a few fewer "hot sexy babe" messages. Could we make a deal along those lines, BILLGATES? You assimilate the "hot sexy babe" folks and I'll do your bidding! I'll even dump my Mac and buy a BILLGATES compatible if you'll guarantee no more "hot sexy babes" messages. Elimination of the "make money fast" crap would be appreciated as well. Deal? If so, I promise _never_ to throw pies! Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:30:53 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <199802050830.AA21219@ednet1.orednet.org> Whoops! Sorry - previous posting was intended to be by private e-mail. Pushed the wrong button and forgot to check the address. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea mucho culpa. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:46:05 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <19980205.045627.4062.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 02:43:42 -0500 Ernest Thomas writes: >What the hell. Put me down for one. >Any chance I could submit some model pics before you burn em. >For that matter, Allan, I have 100 pictures from 2 years of Aerodrome. >These would include 3 decent shots of a DH-5, DrI cockpits w/o the >skin, engines, 2 Alb. D-Va's, a nice Pfalz, N. 28's, some nice shots of >fly-by's, and lots of others. Here's the rub. I don't have any way to >put them on a disk. I'll gladly lend them to a responsible person who >has that capability if you would like to build up the image library >before you make up the CD's. Let me know. Count me in on a CD as well. Also count me in as contributing the Nieuport stuff I put together, as long as Al doesn't mind copying them to the CD. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:13:29 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: wwi page on cd-rom Message-ID: Allan wrote: > >Sorry if this sounds tense, but I don't like having is sound like I'm doing >this to cheat anyone out of their money. I've poured hundreds, possibly >thousands of hours of my own time administering this list and the WWW page >strictly for the enjoyment of it and never asked for anything from the lists >users. I appreciate the participation of the lists members and simply offered >this in case people were interested, if the price sounds 'too steep' then >don't ask me to make you one you're still welcome to use the site and the >list, free of charge with my compliments. > Allan, 99% of your subscribers truely appreciate the work that you put into the WWI mailing list. I bill-out my time too, and understand the sacrifice of a free service. $25 for a CD archive is a true bargain, and if a vocal minority has a problem with what you are doing, or critisizes your efforts, they can (unprintable). You are an Eagle - don't let the Turkeys bring you down. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 07:53:09 -0500 From: Don RInker To: wwi Subject: Re: wwi page on cd-rom Message-ID: <34D9B635.506A@fast.net> I just want to take this opportunity to thank several list members who packed my mailbox overnite with hate messages filled with unspeakable gutter language, slurs, an racial epithets. My daughter read several of them searching the email this morning. If some you would look at my original message, I never accused Allan of doing anything dishonest. I made a simple statement that the price seemed a bit steep. What the hell is wrong with that? Emailing me hate mail, pornography, and trying to mailbomb my mailbox seems a bit overboard, don't you think? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:55:27 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: wwi page on cd-rom Message-ID: <199802051357.HAA15289@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Allan, Count me in for a copy. With many sites now starting to ask fees to view them, I applaud you for keeping your site free of charge. Besides, if we all get a copy of the current site, shouldn't this permit you to "clean out" some of the older information on it? :-) Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:59:27 -0600 From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Red Baron Theme Message-ID: I just found a Win95/NT theme that is related to Red Baron 2, the Sierra computer game. It's at: http://ftp.cc.monash.edu.as/win95.themes/baronba.zip I haven't looked at it yet, so I don't know what to expect. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:08:16 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: wwi page on cd-rom Message-ID: <199802051408.JAA13552@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Count me in for a copy. With many sites now starting to ask fees to > view them, I applaud you for keeping your site free of charge. > > Besides, if we all get a copy of the current site, shouldn't this > permit you to "clean out" some of the older information on it? :-) Actually the site runs on a 9GB disk, so I have no need to 'clean out' anything, unless it's obsolete. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! 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