WWI Digest 878 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Aerocam: PC-10, etc. by Patrick Padovan 2) Re: Meikraft by Patrick Padovan 3) Re: WWI WWW Page on CD? by Patrick Padovan 4) Re: Staggerwing by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 5) Re: Off topic:VVS Web Page by Patrick Padovan 6) Re: WWI WWW Page on CD? by Allred240Z@aol.com 7) Re: PC-10, ETC by The Shannons 8) Re: message for Alberto Rada... by Alberto Rada 9) Re: PC-10, ETC by Charles Hart 10) Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) by Bob Pearson 11) Hannover fabric (was RE: PC-10, ETC ) by Shane Weier 12) Re: Bombs by Geoff Smith 13) RE: Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) by Shane Weier 14) Re: Off topic:VVS Web Page by mbittner@juno.com 15) Re: Loz colours - was NEW FSM by mbittner@juno.com 16) Re: Loz colours - was NEW FSM by mbittner@juno.com 17) Re: Staggerwing by Ernest Thomas 18) Re: Staggerwing by Ernest Thomas 19) Re: Off topic by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: Off topic by Carlos Valdes 21) VVS Page by Bill Bacon 22) Re: Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 23) Morane Saulnier help by mbittner@juno.com 24) George Cronin Has Passed Away by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 25) Re: WWI WWW Page on CD? by aew (Allan Wright) 26) 2* Dust Jackets by Graham Nash 27) Re: 2* Dust Jackets by aew (Allan Wright) 28) Re: Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) by The Shannons 29) Re: Off topic by "Gillian & Ray Boorman" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:25:47 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aerocam: PC-10, etc. Message-ID: Dear Ray: You're very welcome, and the least I could do in return for all the help and assistance I've gotten from others on this list! (Okay, its warm and fuzzy time! I hear the List Band striking up "FEELINGS, NOTHING MORE THAN FEELINGS. . . in the background!) Ciao! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:31:48 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Meikraft Message-ID: Dear Kevin: I have the BE2c "Early," a "Later" example was planned and never produced, I believe. It's closer to the Albatross, about the same as his W.29, which came out about the same time. Nice set of decals, but the kit needs mucho thinning, etc. Still haven't tackled it, after all these years. Still plan to do so someday, though. The decals include early red/white roundels and Union Jacks, as well as early tricolor roundels, so that you have a variety of different a/c & markings to choose from. I haven't had it out of the box in years, so that's about all I recall. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Kevin & Kimberley Barrett wrote: > Carlos broke the news on the following: > > > > >Here is what is available, all 1/72 unless otherwise noted): > >4x BE.2c > > > Has anybody seen the Meikraft BE2c? Is it on the really bad side of the > Meikraft scale (Alb DII), or the good side (Pfalz DIII)? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:48:28 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: WWI WWW Page on CD? Message-ID: Greetings, Allan: I've been wondering for a while, if you are related to the Allan Wright who flew Spitfires with the RAF in WWII? Probably just a coincidence, I suppose, but I thought I'd ask. . . Curious, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Allan Wright wrote: > Hi Everyone! > > I was just wondering if there would be any interest in getting the WWW page > on CD? I'm thinking of burning a copy for myself, and If I do it wouldn't be > that much extra work to make some extra copies. I'd be using the CD writer > at work after hours, so turn around might not be really fast, but once you > got the CD you'd save yourself download time for all those images. > > I'm thinking the cost would be about $25, which would include US shipping, > but international shipping would be actual cost extra. > > If you're interested please respond to me, I'll decide weather to do it > based on interest. Comments / discussion can go to the list. 'Me too' messages > to me personally: aew@unh.edu > > Thanks, > Al > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:38:10 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Staggerwing Message-ID: <199802032138.AA14950@ednet1.orednet.org> Paul A. Schwartzkopf writes: >If I am not mistaken, the ITC Staggerwing was 1/32 scale. You are, indeed, not mistaken - still got a couple of those. So, which staggerwing is Glencoe scheduled to product - the 1/48 AMT or the 1/32 ITC/Staggerwings Unltd? Seeings how Glencoe has previously produced some ex-ITC kits and no ex-AMT kits, I'd wager its the later. (Damn! There goes the value of my staggerwing kits!) :-( Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:57:43 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Off topic:VVS Web Page Message-ID: Yeah! I've visited the site, and if any of you are interested in WWII Soviet Aircraft, you're in for a very pleasant surprise! Great work, Matt & Erik! Two thumbs up (left & right!) from me! Das Vedonya! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U wrote: > Not to toot our own horn, or anything, but for those with an interest, > Erik P. and I have created a web site devoted to WW2 VVS modeling. > Check out: > > http://www.oz.net/~xopowo/VVS/vvs.htm > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:20:54 EST From: Allred240Z@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI WWW Page on CD? Message-ID: <6149706f.34d79849@aol.com> Would this include the archives? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:40:24 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: PC-10, ETC Message-ID: <34D79CD8.6426@ix.netcom.com> Got a couple of questions, and a correction. First, did my post that started out as below reach the list? From all I could tell, I dumped it down a well. Correction -- or at least a proper reference, the article was in the Scale Aircraft Modelling Magazine as listed. Second question -- Albatros markings. von Hipple's dragon marked D.V has been depicted three ways in pictures and instructions I have seen. Specifically, the upper wing stripes seem to change with the seasons. AeroMaster would have you not put any upper-wing (command?) stripes on this plane, ScaleMaster shows two white stripes slanting outward from leading edge to trailing, ending about at the inside edge of the ailerons. Another picture I have seen shows the white bands, but slants them inward from leading to trailing edge. I am more inclined to have either no stripes or the slanted outward, but I only have one picture of this machine. It is a close-up of von Hippel with his sister alongside the cockpit, and the portion of the wing visible is hard to determine if it is a stripe or a reflectance. Help?!!! Third, on the Hannover CL.IIIa -- how is the lozenge typically laid? I have spanwise on the lower wing, diagonal on the upper wing with spanwise ailerons, and spanwise on the tail surfaces, but not matched between the elevator and fixed fin on the upper stabilizer. And, Fourth and then forth, just curiosity. Why, with the Pfalz D.III being so ruggedly put together and strong, did the British bother to add the stabilizer bracing struts when they captured Hecht's 1370/17? Was it just because of being unfamiliar with the type and wondering about the strange stabilizer or did the plane have some damage that made them doubt the strength of this one's stabilizer? -------------- > No information about the German dopes and colors, but there is a later > Ian Huntley article than was brought up about the Camel. In Volume 10, > #6, March 1988, pp 275-7 he discusses the experiments done by the > "Doupers" after they re-discovered sun-rot. > -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:19:53 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: message for Alberto Rada... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980203151953.006e6cb0@pop.true.net> Hi Joey Yes , I did receive it At 11:42 AM 03-02-98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Alberto, > >Did you receive my email containing this phrase: > >Ooooh, my many ...... > >It seems that something went a bit wrong between our servers. > > > >********************************************************************* > >Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, >joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist >tel. (632) 921-26-75 >Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > >********************************************************************* > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:59:32 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: PC-10, ETC Message-ID: >Got a couple of questions, and a correction. > >First, did my post that started out as below reach the list? From all I >could tell, I dumped it down a well. I received the post. <<>> >Third, on the Hannover CL.IIIa -- how is the lozenge typically laid? I >have spanwise on the lower wing, diagonal on the upper wing with >spanwise ailerons, and spanwise on the tail surfaces, but not matched >between the elevator and fixed fin on the upper stabilizer. Definitely spanwise on the ailerons and tail surfaces and not matched between elevator and fin. I'll have to check some photos regarding the wing applications. Diagonal application of 5-color fabric is a peculiar application found on Halberstadt aircraft. >And, Fourth and then forth, just curiosity. Why, with the Pfalz D.III >being so ruggedly put together and strong, did the British bother to add >the stabilizer bracing struts when they captured Hecht's 1370/17? Was >it just because of being unfamiliar with the type and wondering about >the strange stabilizer or did the plane have some damage that made them >doubt the strength of this one's stabilizer? I have heard stories about how Pfalz ply covered fuselages could warp and produce some undesirable effects on the stability of the aircraft, but I don't have a written source to refer people to. Perhaps this is why the struts were added to 1370/17. This machine broke its back in a hard landing by a RFC pilot, so perhaps it was a high-time airframe. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu >-------------- >> No information about the German dopes and colors, but there is a later >> Ian Huntley article than was brought up about the Camel. In Volume 10, >> #6, March 1988, pp 275-7 he discusses the experiments done by the >> "Doupers" after they re-discovered sun-rot. >> > >-- >This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon >at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > >History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:15:17 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) Message-ID: <23151725102068@KAIEN.COM> Mark, After my journey through Stewart Taylor's files a couple of years ago. I wrote the following note to myself . . . "Although one of the more elegant aircraft of the First World War, the Pfalz D.III/D.IIIa has always been considered to be less successful than the Albatros series of fighters. This is curious since most Allied evaluations of both types favour the Pfalz. So why did the Germans feel it was the inferior of the two? Information in the possession of S K Taylor may explain this question. Stewart has been given a translation of the Jasta 49 log and it lists chronic complaints with their Pfalz aircraft. Chief amongst these is that the aft fuselage is subject to warping. This could be due to their having been left out of doors and subject to the effects of weather. Others include mismatched cylinders and metal filings in the engine, radiators subject to corrosion. These were suspected to be the result of using unwilling labour in the Pfalz factory." In regard to the *command stripes*. If these are in fact what they are, this can be ex[plained as the dragon D.V was the aircraft of Oblt Flashar, OC of Jasta 5, prior to von Hippel's spot of excitement with it. regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:27:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: Hannover fabric (was RE: PC-10, ETC ) Message-ID: <199802032337.JAA07718@mimmon.mim.com.au> Mark posted and Charles replied: > >>Third, on the Hannover CL.IIIa -- how is the lozenge typically laid? > I > >>have spanwise on the lower wing, diagonal on the upper wing with > >>spanwise ailerons, and spanwise on the tail surfaces, but not > matched > >>between the elevator and fixed fin on the upper stabilizer. > > Definitely spanwise on the ailerons and tail surfaces and not matched >between elevator and fin. I'll have to check some photos regarding the >wing applications. Diagonal application of 5-color fabric is a peculiar >application found on Halberstadt aircraft. I was researching precisely this last night. Looking at the photos in the datafile which are clear enough to determine the loz pattern i agree completely with Charles, and add that the fabric is IMHO chordwise on both upper and lower wings. It is *very* easy to see the repetition of pattern running parallel with the rib tapes, and noticeable in one or two shots where the bolt edges are. No, I'm not about to stop building the Biff and run off to build my hannovers. Jusr curious. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:25:54 -0500 From: Geoff Smith To: WWI List Subject: Re: Bombs Message-ID: <199802031826_MC2-31CB-4A52@compuserve.com> >if anyone else is interested, i've scanned in the british bomb images fr= om >the octopus book "the bombers 1914-1945". if you'd like them (JPG = >format), let me know. >phillip I'd like 'em please. Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:39:06 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) Message-ID: <199802032348.JAA07796@mimmon.mim.com.au> Mark, Bob, >In regard to the *command stripes*. If these are in fact what they are, this >can be ex[plained as the dragon D.V was the aircraft of Oblt Flashar, OC of >Jasta 5, prior to von Hippel's spot of excitement with it. It also explains the "F" under the lower wings. I wonder whether they are "command stripes" though. Too many members of jasta 5 have them. Perhaps they denoted the aces or "kanone" Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:35:23 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic:VVS Web Page Message-ID: <19980203.174130.13166.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:55:31 -0500 Patrick Padovan writes: >Yeah! I've visited the site, and if any of you are interested in WWII >Soviet Aircraft, you're in for a very pleasant surprise! Great work, >Matt & Erik! Two thumbs up (left & right!) from me! Thanks for the good words, Patrick. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:20:29 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Loz colours - was NEW FSM Message-ID: <19980203.174130.13166.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:47:09 -0500 Don Rinker writes: >Scale Judge: Hmmm what the hell is this? a dayglo pink Nieuport ???? > >Sandy : Ohh judgie, I was attempting to portray the glowing effect of >a > late evening sunset on silver wings > >Judge: Security, get this nutcake out of here... > >Sandy : What about my early morning purple Fokker ?? > >Whammm, Bappp.... , Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhh. More ROTFL!!!!! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:19:58 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Loz colours - was NEW FSM Message-ID: <19980203.174130.13166.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:29:18 -0500 "Sandy Adam" writes: >> The two best parts of the article are: (1) the author builds in >1/72nd, >> and (2) he chooses an unusual subject to show his technique; the >Fokker >> D.VI. >I see you have made a typo here Matt - you obviously meant to say: >The two best parts of the article are: (1) the author builds a >Fokker >D.VI, and (2) he chooses an unusual scale to show his technique; 1/72. > >Never mind we know what you meant ROTFL!! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 21:50:07 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Staggerwing Message-ID: <34D7E56F.5AEB@bellsouth.net> Jim Lyzun wrote: > > > I want Ertl to re-re-release the old AMT 1/48 Staggerwing.That thing even had > > stitching on the wings that was in scale. > > Robert > > Glencoe has announced it will rerelease the old ITC(?) 1/48 Staggerwing > this Spring. WWAAAAHHHOOOOO!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 21:57:21 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Staggerwing Message-ID: <34D7E721.4CC3@bellsouth.net> Bill Shatzer wrote: > > Paul A. Schwartzkopf writes: > > >If I am not mistaken, the ITC Staggerwing was 1/32 scale. > > You are, indeed, not mistaken - still got a couple of those. > > So, which staggerwing is Glencoe scheduled to product - the > 1/48 AMT or the 1/32 ITC/Staggerwings Unltd? > > Seeings how Glencoe has previously produced some ex-ITC > kits and no ex-AMT kits, I'd wager its the later. > > (Damn! There goes the value of my staggerwing kits!) :-( > > Cheers and all, > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." > Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker Bill, So would you be interested in letting one of those Beech 17's go to a good home that has a pile of reference photos waiting for a kit to apply them to? Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:08:33 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic Message-ID: <34D7E9C1.1D72@bellsouth.net> Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U wrote: > > Not to toot our own horn, or anything, but for those with an interest, > Erik P. and I have created a web site devoted to WW2 VVS modeling. > Check out: > > http://www.oz.net/~xopowo/VVS/vvs.htm > > Matt Bittner Matt, What perfect timing. I just happen to be ready to put the first coats of paint on a 1/48 Yak-9. Thanks E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:37:07 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic Message-ID: <34D28043.52AA@conted.gatech.edu> Very nice work, Matt. This will be a site to keep an eye on. The color info was most interesting. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:10:30 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: Matt Bittner , WWI Aero Modelers Subject: VVS Page Message-ID: <34D7F846.B9533E99@netjava.net> Matt, You and Erik filled a void. Most interesting and a great job. Congratulations. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:36:03 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) Message-ID: <199802040636.AA05397@ednet1.orednet.org> Bob Pearson writes: -snips- >In regard to the *command stripes*. If these are in fact what they are, this >can be ex[plained as the dragon D.V was the aircraft of Oblt Flashar, OC of >Jasta 5, prior to von Hippel's spot of excitement with it. Norman Franks, et al, in "The Jasta Pilots" state that JG 5 Albatros D.Vs were "often, but not always, marked with a white chevron on the upper wing." They seem to consider it a Jasta marking rather than any sort of command designation. I think the "streamers" from the wings struts were the method usually used to designate Jasta and section commanders rather than any permanent markings on the aircraft themselves. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:03:46 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Morane Saulnier help Message-ID: <19980204.050347.8982.5.mbittner@juno.com> Believe it or not, I need some help on the MoS' Type N/I/V and their cockpits. Since all were essentially the same aircraft, what applies for one applies for all. In general, I need cockpit help. I have the FMP book, the Windsocks and Datafiles, but none of these help with the cockpit overall. Specifically I'm wondering about the sections of the fuselage. Look at section C, I believe (the area right behind the seat which includes the under-fuselage "cable holder"). From the drawing of this fuselage section it appears that the area in the cockpit is flat, "slab" sided. All section drawings seem to appear that the fuselage starts as a square section, with the monocoque (sp?) surrounding this square section. If that's the case, then the cockpit sides will be flat, "slab" sides. I'm asking this for the Temens Type I and Hora Type N I have. Neither comes with a cockpit, but the Hora at least supplies a seat. Are there any drawings out there for flying scale (or flying "real" :-)) that could help? Plus, how did Eduard handle it? Can anybody provide me with a photocopy of the Eduard instruction sheet and/or supply me with written details? I Dremeled out the huge hunks of plastic from the inside of the cockpit that are used as "wing stops" from the Temens Type I. You can get rid of most of the plastic while still retaining a wall that the wing butts up against. TIA! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:04:18 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: George Cronin Has Passed Away Message-ID: <199802041304.IAA08969@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 11:14 PM 2/1/98 -0500, Carl J. Bobrow wrote: >>From: T191418@aol.com >>Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:05:04 EST >>To: ilyam@pipeline.com >>Subject: George Cronin Has Passed Away >> >>Dear Carl, Lou, Tom, et al, >> >>I regret to report that our dear friend, George Harold Cronin, died in his >>sleep yesterday. As you know, George had been ill for many months >>but his passing was peaceful. I met George briefy at a Atlantic Coast Chapter of OTF meeting. He had a great sense of humor and could really spin a yarn. Sorry to hear of his passing. He flew Caproni bombers in Italy at the end of the war. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI WWW Page on CD? Message-ID: <199802041422.JAA09261@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Greetings, Allan: I've been wondering for a while, if you are related to > the Allan Wright who flew Spitfires with the RAF in WWII? Probably just a > coincidence, I suppose, but I thought I'd ask. . . Probably not, at least not by blood. Wright is my father's adopted name. My blood line is 1/2 french and 1/2 french canadian. I'm half Benoit and half Dufresne. I'm more likely to be distantly related to Guynemeyer than any Wright! -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:54:13 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: 2* Dust Jackets Message-ID: <199802041733.AA00879@egate2.citicorp.com> Ok, I now have the Harleyford 'Fighters' dustjacket scanned in and retouched, in addition to the Harleyford 'Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War'. If anyone wants these let me know. Can I also have a show of hands for the dustcovers of the Harleyford 'Bombers' and 'Marine' books? Allan, would you like these for the Web site, to go along with the 'recommended reading' link? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:42:24 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: 2* Dust Jackets Message-ID: <199802041842.NAA10006@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Ok, I now have the Harleyford 'Fighters' dustjacket scanned in and > retouched, in addition to the Harleyford 'Aircraft of the 1914-1918 > War'. If anyone wants these let me know. Are you going to print some replacement dust-jackets for those of us unfortunate enough to get our copies sans cover? If so count me in! > Can I also have a show of hands for the dustcovers of the Harleyford > 'Bombers' and 'Marine' books? > > Allan, would you like these for the Web site, to go along with the > 'recommended reading' link? Yes please - ftp to wintermute.sr.unh.edu and e-mail me when they're there. -allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 13:00:45 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz Dragons (was Re: PC-10, ETC) Message-ID: <34D8BADD.53D1@ix.netcom.com> Bill Shatzer wrote: > > Bob Pearson writes: > > -snips- > > >In regard to the *command stripes*. If these are in fact what they are, this > >can be ex[plained as the dragon D.V was the aircraft of Oblt Flashar, OC of > >Jasta 5, prior to von Hippel's spot of excitement with it. > > Norman Franks, et al, in "The Jasta Pilots" state that JG 5 > Albatros D.Vs were "often, but not always, marked with a > white chevron on the upper wing." > > They seem to consider it a Jasta marking rather than any sort > of command designation. I think the "streamers" from the > wings struts were the method usually used to designate > Jasta and section commanders rather than any permanent markings > on the aircraft themselves. > > Cheers and all, > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." > Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker -- Thank you all, I appreciate the help. On the other hand, is it sure that Hipple had the chevron on this aircraft ;{)? Anyway, this great bunch has answered the questions I had, at least in reasonable answers -- this one and the Hannover fabric one were really bugging me, because it was hard to tell from the photos I have on hand, and I am on a bit of a budget when it comes to all my hobby needs. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:05:54 -0800 From: "Gillian & Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Off topic Message-ID: <007e01bd31a8$4d888020$3d18c2cf@rayboorm> Matt, Erik, Off topic, but nice I-16's, says Ray as he pushes his to the back of the shelf. Whats the colorscheme on the red Winged one, sorry I-16 /10 I think? Ray -----Original Message----- From: Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 1:03 PM Subject: Off topic >Not to toot our own horn, or anything, but for those with an interest, >Erik P. and I have created a web site devoted to WW2 VVS modeling. >Check out: > >http://www.oz.net/~xopowo/VVS/vvs.htm > > >Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 878 *********************