WWI Digest 873 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Revell 1/28 D.VII Articles by DavidL1217@aol.com 2) New Thread SE5 Greenhouse by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 3) Meikraft Models by Robert Hickson 4) Cyg is out. by John & Allison Cyganowski 5) Re: Meikraft Models by "Gillian & Ray Boorman" 6) Re: Meikraft Models by mbittner@juno.com 7) DH-4 by Ernest Thomas 8) Re: DH-4 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 9) Re: DH-4 by KarrArt@aol.com 10) New Kilduff book by Bill Bacon 11) DH-4 by Ernest Thomas 12) Re: DH-4 by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: DH-4 by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: DH-4 by "Sandy Adam" 15) Re: DH-4 comments by "Charles Duckworth" 16) Re: Meikraft Models by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 17) Re: Meikraft Models by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 18) Re: RNAS Deperdussin No. 885 by "Charles Duckworth" 19) Re: Meikraft Models by "Charles Duckworth" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:57:11 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Revell 1/28 D.VII Articles Message-ID: <78675559.34d37409@aol.com> I wonder how many parts could be done over in resin? Fuselage, top wing, struts, let's see what else.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:46:27 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: New Thread SE5 Greenhouse Message-ID: <199801311946.OAA24845@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Ok guys, how come with all the aftermarket stuff out there, I've never seen the infamous SE5 "greenhouse", the quasi-canopy that was apparently removed by the guys as soon as possible? It seems made for a vac, but I've never seen them advertised. I don't dop vacs, but wouldn't it be simple...and if so any volunteers. Mike Muth nb: Hurricane Mk I and SE-5a nl: Buffalo Springsfield (I'm in a 60's kinda mood) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:22:42 -0600 From: Robert Hickson To: wwi Subject: Meikraft Models Message-ID: <34D3A432.92D7D55A@caa-archeology.org> I have a bit of a dilema that I could use some advice on. In June of 1995 I sent Meikraft $20.00 as a downpayment on a "soon to be developed/released" 1/72 Gotha Bomber. I have heard nothing since. Five unanswered letters to Meikraft has me wondering, are they still in business? has anyone else experienced this. I would like my money back. Any thoughts or info on Meikraft would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Rob Hickson, Kampsville, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:40:56 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Cyg is out. Message-ID: <34D3A878.83B@worldnet.att.net> I just wanted to mention that I am de-subscribing for a while as I am moving. It will be a couple of weeks before I get may act together so I can rejoin you. If there is an urgent need to contact me I can be reached at John_Cyganowski@Millipore.com Regards John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:59:34 -0800 From: "Gillian & Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Meikraft Models Message-ID: <000c01bd2e9b$e6feaaa0$6418c2cf@rayboorm> Meikraft are infamous for taking advance orders (234 years in advance). I know plenty of people who have been waiting for years. Dont ever order anything directly from them. They are still in business and are not really dishonest or anything like that, just slow. Ray Boorman (Gillian_ Boorman@bc.sympatico.ca) -----Original Message----- From: Robert Hickson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 2:22 PM Subject: Meikraft Models > > >I have a bit of a dilema that I could use some advice on. In June of 1995 I >sent Meikraft $20.00 as a downpayment on a "soon to be developed/released" >1/72 Gotha Bomber. I have heard nothing since. Five unanswered letters to >Meikraft has me wondering, are they still in business? has anyone else >experienced this. I would like my money back. Any thoughts or info on >Meikraft would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks. Rob Hickson, Kampsville, Illinois > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:51:31 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft Models Message-ID: <19980131.195411.4718.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:24:19 -0500 Robert Hickson writes: > I have a bit of a dilema that I could use some advice on. In > June of 1995 I sent Meikraft $20.00 as a downpayment on a "soon > to be developed/released" 1/72 Gotha Bomber. I have heard > nothing since. Five unanswered letters to Meikraft has me > wondering, are they still in business? has anyone else > experienced this. I would like my money back. Any thoughts or > info on Meikraft would be greatly appreciated. Ouch. Take it from one who knows. You're basically SOL until Meikrantz gets his act together. You could request your money back, but by the time he gets around to sending it, the kit is out. I was one of the "unlucky" ones who advanced ordered his Lloyd Triplane. It took *five years* to get the kit after I paid for it. Sorry for the bad news. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:55:53 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: DH-4 Message-ID: <34D3E439.69F7@bellsouth.net> Can anyone offer a review of the Glenco DH-4 before I fork over my hard earned shekels? TIA. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:30:34 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: DH-4 Message-ID: <199802010330.AA14072@ednet1.orednet.org> Ernest writes: > >Can anyone offer a review of the Glenco DH-4 before I fork over my hard >earned shekels? TIA. It's only whatever the shekel equivelent of nine dollars is, isn't it? It hasn't made it out here yet so I haven't seen one but even if there have been no improvements from the old Aurora kit, it's certainly worth nine bucks (or the shekel equivelent). As I remember, the Aurora DH-4 was one of their best ones - some problems with the wing tip shapes and maybe the depth of the fuselage and the general "clunkiness" on the detailing endemic to all Auroras but all in all, pretty decent. Even some of the clunkiness may have been cleaned up - as I understand it, the original accessory mold (machine guns, engine, prop, etc.) was missing and Glencoe had to have a new accessory molding made. If so, presumably the detailing on these parts will be closer to modern standards. But, whether or not, the kit is certainly worth nine bucks - you can buy and build nearly half a squadron of DH-4s for price of a single equivelent Eduard kit. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "If you can see the tracers, the little piss-ants have missed you." Chief Warrant Officer Emet "Stoney" Parker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:40:36 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: DH-4 Message-ID: <727dcb0b.34d3eeb6@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-31 21:59:34 EST, you write: << Can anyone offer a review of the Glenco DH-4 before I fork over my hard earned shekels? TIA. Ernest >> It's out? Geez, they announced that thing years ago.Anyway, it's supposed to be the old Aurora reworked- which means go buy it! By todays standards, Aurora pulled some clunkers, but the DH4 was one of the good ones.I've got an old Aurora and it scales out about right, the ribs are where they should be (one of my particular snit areas when they're wrong).Some of the detail may be a little crude- the engine area is probably gonna need some heavy duty re- engineering- I don't know how far Glencoe took the rework- but even if hot out of Auroras machines I'd go get it right now! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:32:22 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: WWI Aero Modelers Subject: New Kilduff book Message-ID: <34D3FAD6.CECA2F4D@netjava.net> Just got a copy of Peter's new book on JG1 and it looks real good. Many new (to me) pictures and as usual very well documented. The bibliography is most impressive. Also got the book on Barker. Outside of switching on the battery when starting the engine and advancing the throttle for takeoff, the first chapter is not too bad. Will keep you all posted. Zenith has the Barker book and Squadron has Peter's new one. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:30:21 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: DH-4 Message-ID: <34D3FA5D.F5D@bellsouth.net> Hey Bill & Robert Thanks for the reply on this kit. My local hobby shop is expecting them real soon and I thought maybe one of you guys had one already. I guess my shekels will be well spent. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:46:09 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: DH-4 Message-ID: <102debe7.34d3fe13@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-31 23:34:21 EST, you write: << Hey Bill & Robert Thanks for the reply on this kit. My local hobby shop is expecting them real soon and I thought maybe one of you guys had one already. I guess my shekels will be well spent. E. >> It's not in the Lindberg Jenny class, but the basics are there.As an earlier posting said, the wing tip outlines are a little off, but nothing that can't be fixed with a swipe or two of the file.The fuselage is a little too skinny in the top view and I suppose the crazies out there might want to widen it out some with some shimming (I probably would- but then I may have a masochistic streak).For the price- build 'em all! British ones, American ones, post war, ambulance, mail planes, all 3,576 differently engined ones! Short landing gear, long landing gear, raised turtle, lowered turtle ,squared turtle, rounded turtle. Do wierd things with a set of wings- spend a lifetime just doing the DH4 and it's derivatives! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:49:34 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: DH-4 Message-ID: <34D40CEE.5CA6@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-31 23:34:21 EST, you write: > > << Hey Bill & Robert > > Thanks for the reply on this kit. My local hobby shop is expecting them > real soon and I thought maybe one of you guys had one already. I guess > my shekels will be well spent. > > E. > > >> > It's not in the Lindberg Jenny class, but the basics are there.As an earlier > posting said, the wing tip outlines are a little off, but nothing that can't > be fixed with a swipe or two of the file.The fuselage is a little too skinny > in the top view and I suppose the crazies out there might want to widen it out > some with some shimming (I probably would- but then I may have a masochistic > streak).For the price- build 'em all! British ones, American ones, post war, > ambulance, mail planes, all 3,576 differently engined ones! Short landing > gear, long landing gear, raised turtle, lowered turtle ,squared turtle, > rounded turtle. Do wierd things with a set of wings- spend a lifetime just > doing the DH4 and it's derivatives! > Robert Robert, Shimming it doesn't sound too hard. If it's more than say 2mm to narrow, I'll give it a shot(whenever I get around to building it). Speaking of the Lindberg Jenny, did you do anything extra too the wings on yours? I was planning on cutting my top wing in three pieces but someone on the list made a comment about filling the troughs between the ribs. I hadn't thought of that. Any thoughts or comments? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:45:16 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: DH-4 Message-ID: <199802011041.KAA21499@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Thanks for the reply on this kit. My local hobby shop is expecting them > real soon ......... > E. Now, where have I heard that before? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:26:11 -0600 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: DH-4 comments Message-ID: <199802011330.HAA16493@mail.primary.net> Am glad to see Glencoe issue the DH-4 prior to or with the Aurora Jenny, if the Jenny were to hit the market first I believe most would lie on the hobby shop shelves due to the Lindbergh being a better model - reinforcing 'WW1 doesn't sell' and perhaps affecting future decisions in Glencoe's eyes on the WW1 market at $9 the DH-4 is a bargain, and there are many sources for adding superdetails, as example the NASM book on the American produced aircraft which is still available. One could also see 'after market' resin fuselages for a DH-9 version as Blue Rider did for the Airfix DH-4 several years back. Now going downstairs to make a pot of coffee and page through the DH-4..... Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:44:55 EST From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft Models Message-ID: <6312afee.34d48a69@aol.com> Hi Rob! Don't do that again! As others on the List will tell you, go to the hobby shop and pay full retail for Meikraft--that way you will have something in return for your money. A few years back Meikraft started a "Collector Club". I sent in the requisite $30 and received propaganda and an order form. I ordered. Now I'm in for $115. Nothing arrives on my doorstep. I write. I call. Nothing. After 1 year, 11 months, I send a postcard (My theory is that he tosses his mail--tired of reading bitchy letters.) I said, essentially, It's been 2 years. Send me 1.) my money, 2.) my kits, or 3.) kits totalling my $115. If I receive no response in 30 days, I'm going to the modelling press, and you do not need bad PR. Within 2 weeks I got kits totalling over $115, all but one WWI, an apology, and a promise to send me free of charge 2 Lloyd Tripes and 2 Fokker D.Is. (Never got the freebies, BTW.) Other sources say he spends his time crying tales of woe rather than producing kits. Not my problem. Will I buy Meikraft again? Maybe, but at the local hobby shop, NOT direct. Good luck. BTW, is Meikraft on the FAQ yet? ;^) Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:06:38 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Meikraft Models Message-ID: <199802011506.KAA26483@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 05:25 PM 1/31/98 -0500, Robert Hickson wrote: >I have a bit of a dilema that I could use some advice on. In June of 1995 I >sent Meikraft $20.00 as a downpayment on a "soon to be developed/released" >1/72 Gotha Bomber. I have heard nothing since. Five unanswered letters to >Meikraft has me wondering, are they still in business? has anyone else >experienced this. I would like my money back. Any thoughts or info on >Meikraft would be greatly appreciated. Rob (Rant mode on) By now you have gotten the replies from others on the list who sent $$ to the guy and got little or nothing to show for it. I've had clients go to jail for the same type of scam this guy seems to perpetrate. When you take someone's money and don't give them what they paid for, it comes close to theft. I don't care if the guy is making stuff from a era we love. I've never been burned by him, so maybe I'm not the one to talk. However, this same thread has regrettably(sp?) been on the list before, and I get the suspicion it will continue to show up unless something is done. Write to either your State Office of Consumer Affairs or even the US Attorney in your district if you sent things by the mail. (Rant mode off) Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:46:21 -0600 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: RNAS Deperdussin No. 885 Message-ID: <199802011550.JAA01757@mail.primary.net> Well after reading the threads on the DH4 I pulling J. M. Bruce's book on DeHavilland Aircraft of WW1 off the shelf and started flipping pages on the DH4; photo 43 of the sky blue and buff looks neat..anyway came to page 9 where the chapter starts on the D.H.1 and here's a photo (4) of the DH1 prototype with a RNAS Deperdussin sitting behind it at Hendon. Appears to be the same aircraft as the Inpact 1911 Deperdussin you can make out the early red/white RNAS roundel and the 885 on the tail. Does anyone know if this is the same as the 1911 Inpact/Pyro model to me it appears to be the same but I'm looking at a small grey aircraft that not totally in focus. Are their any other sources around showing the RNAS markings on this aircraft. Currently working on the Inpact kit, one wing was really moulded badly with deep impressions on the top and bottom - have filled with putty, primed with automotive primer and wet/dry sanded at least four times and still am not totally pleased, - may have to scratch build both wings to resolve - keep telling myself THIS IS A HOBBY! If anyone has any additional data on No. 885 I'd appreciate it. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:52:40 -0600 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Meikraft Models Message-ID: <199802011556.JAA02582@mail.primary.net> Write to either your State Office of Consumer Affairs or even the US Attorney in your district if you sent things by the mail. Mike Muth Mike raises a good point and is the one of the powerful tools of this FAQ, one knows from all the readings that Meikraft is a poor business to deal with - our local hobby shop stopped dealing with him several years ago do to the same problems. I'd encourage anyone who's got money tied up at Meikraft to complaint to a state consumer affairs office. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 873 *********************