WWI Digest 864 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Old thread by "Tom Werner Hansen" 2) Re: Imrie's Triplane Book by Don RInker 3) Re: New Rendition of Fokker Streaks by Carlos Valdes 4) Re: Imrie's Triplane Book by Charles Hart 5) Re: Old thread by Don RInker 6) Re: Imrie's Triplane Book by Carlos Valdes 7) Re: Imrie's Triplane Book by "Patrick Gilmore" 8) Fokker Finishes by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 9) Re: New Rendition of Fokker Streaks by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: Imrie's Triplane Book by Bob Pearson 11) Re: Mannock by "Sandy Adam" 12) Re: Windsock 14/1 by "Sandy Adam" 13) Re: Windsock 14/1 by Carlos Valdes 14) Re: Mannock by fedders 15) Re: Active & Passive Undersides by Patrick Padovan 16) Americal French Markings: by Patrick Padovan 17) Re: Americal French Markings: by Charles Hart 18) Re: Mannock by "Tom Werner Hansen" 19) RE: Active & Passive Undersides by Shane Weier 20) God in Details, etc. by Matthew Zivich 21) New Smer Double Kit by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 22) RE: Old thread by Shane Weier 23) Re: New Smer Double Kit by Charles Hart 24) Books by Carlos Valdes 25) Re: New Smer Double Kit by BStett3770 26) Re: Americal French Markings: by mbittner@juno.com 27) Re: Windsock 14/1 by mbittner@juno.com 28) OT : Hans-Joachim Marseille's Bf 109 F by "Alexandre " 29) Re: OT : Hans-Joachim Marseille's Bf 109 F by mbittner@juno.com 30) Re: OT : Hans-Joachim Marseille's Bf 109 F by Kenneth Hagerup 31) Re: New Smer Double Kit by Carlos Valdes 32) Re: OT : Hans-Joachim Marseille's Bf 109 F by "Don RInker" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:42:23 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Old thread Message-ID: <199801261634.RAA13930@d1o211.telia.com> Tidying up in my archive I found this old thread. I was able to take apart an old radio and came up with this incredibly thin wire wound round the ferrite core. Is that what he used? How, was it painted? My piece of wire is copper, maybe it could be stained black chemically? Did it look allright, or too thin? Tom ---------- > From: John & Allison Cyganowski > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Threads Was: I wonder where everyone is.... > Date: 25. oktober 1997 13:49 > > I saw a 1/72 RE8 at the IPMS Nationals this year. This person had > unwound the coil inside and old transistor radio. You know the one that > is wrapped around the rectangular ferrite core? He rigged the airplane > with this stuff...and had little white glue turnbuckles on the rigging. > It looked like he used spider web, it was so fine! > > I must say that the ship was a work of art, but..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:40:42 -0500 From: Don RInker To: wwi Subject: Re: Imrie's Triplane Book Message-ID: <34CCBC8A.781C@fast.net> David, Randall, (SMS), (Volt, Computer), (Exchange)@pease1.sr.unh.edu wrote: > > I have the opportunity to purchase this book for $87... (It's via > Amazon.com) > > Is that a ridiculous price, or should I take it at any price? > > Dave Randall Sounds rather ridiculous... Have you tried Historic Aviation, Zenith, or Paul Gauledette (sp?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:45:04 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: New Rendition of Fokker Streaks Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980126164504.006d3380@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Kevin, These new greens represent only a theory. I suppose the question is, Why would Fokker change shades from the Dr.I to the D.VII (assuming a change DID occur)? There's always the "seasonal" explanation mentioned in the text. I'll be writing Greg VanW. soon and will ask his opinion. I agree that it is a great book in spite of a few errors--now I can't wait for the other volumes. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:52:58 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Imrie's Triplane Book Message-ID: >I have the opportunity to purchase this book for $87... (It's via >Amazon.com) > >Is that a ridiculous price, or should I take it at any price? > >Dave Randall You said it, this is an outrageous price. You might want to shop around a bit more before plunking down this kind of money. This book went through at least two printings, the second was in 1994 or 1995, so it hasn't been that long since it was "in print". There are a number of specialist book sellers on the Web you could check with. Try: http://www.aeroplanebooks.com/ http://www.scholarsbookshelf.com/ https://secure.azc.com/cgi-bin/Store?username=monty&store=wbab http://www.hamiltonbook.com/ If you really have this much cash burning a hole in your pocket, you can have my copy for US$87.00. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:52:38 -0500 From: Don RInker To: wwi Subject: Re: Old thread Message-ID: <34CCBF56.1F43@fast.net> Tom Werner Hansen wrote: > > Tidying up in my archive I found this old thread. > I was able to take apart an old radio and came up with this incredibly thin > wire wound round the ferrite core. Is that what he used? > How, was it painted? My piece of wire is copper, maybe it could be stained > black chemically? > Did it look allright, or too thin? You can never get too thin.... :-) What you want is "Blacken-it" available at any hobby store that sells train hobby items. Leve the wire in it till you get the shade you want. With wire this thing it only takes minutes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:50:18 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Imrie's Triplane Book Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980126165018.006d520c@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Dave, This is a great book and a must-have for Dr.I afficionados, but $87 is just to much. I believe scholar's Bookshelf and, perhaps, even Edward R. Hamilton have caried it in the past. Also, you might try contacting the distributor drectly; unfortunately, I don't have any addresses handy but can look them up when I get home. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:02:35 -0500 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: Imrie's Triplane Book Message-ID: <199801261707.MAA27886@sulaco.novagate.net> > I have the opportunity to purchase this book for $87... (It's via > Amazon.com) > > Is that a ridiculous price, or should I take it at any price? > > Dave Randall That seems very high - is the book out of print? I seem to remember paying under $30 for it when it first came out. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 1998 12:09:46 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Fokker Finishes Message-ID: <88583463653010@bdsbbs.com> A few years ago OtF ran a detailed series of articles on the history and markings of JGII. Textual reference was provided for the theory that Berthold's dagger was also on the top wing: another pilot wrote a description of a dogfight where he saw "Berthold's dagger fly beneath him" (paraphrasing from memory). If the dagger was painted on teh top wing, this reference would make perfect sense. This to me is a valid theory. There's reasonable evidence to support the supposition. And a theory is valid until proven incorrect. There is no known photograph clearly showing the upperwing. Speaking of theories, I think it was the Albatros book on JGI (and of course I can't find my copy right now) that brought up the theory that the Fokker finish was olive brown rather than green. Has anyone come up with further proof for or against this one? Personally, it struck me that a thin streaked green finish would quickly fade to brown the same as the PC10. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:03:19 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New Rendition of Fokker Streaks Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-26 11:49:00 EST, you write: << These new greens represent only a theory. >> There's alot of lozenge samples floating around- anybody know of any streaky- green samples? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:31:43 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Imrie's Triplane Book Message-ID: <18314382079522@KAIEN.COM> Dave, I just checked www.abebooks.com. And they show Articles of War as carrying the Imrie book for $30 US. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "David Randall (SMS) (Volt Computer) (Exchange)"@pease1.sr.unh.edu > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Imrie's Triplane Book > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:29:24 -0500 > > I have the opportunity to purchase this book for $87... (It's via > Amazon.com) > > Is that a ridiculous price, or should I take it at any price? > > Dave Randall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:57:30 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Mannock Message-ID: <199801261826.SAA23367@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Note> The German and French biult many more 2-seater than 1-seat > fighters. The opposite was true of the English. Then how can you say > the the Brits were primarily interested in recon and the Germans in > shooting down aircraft? Sorry pfed (is it Peter?), I thought the general duties of the two air forces was pretty generally accepted but if your figures are correct it is certainly worth investigation. Do you have sources for the ratios you refer to? As an example I previously quoted Lieut-Gen Sir David Henderson in his report to the General Staff in April 1917: "....considering the deployment that is made of the air forces, that is to say that the German aeroplanes are merely employed in trying to bring down our aeroplanes, whereas ours are mainly employed in doing work required by the Army." Many, many sources will bear this out, but I don't think it is really necessary is it? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:22:07 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Windsock 14/1 Message-ID: <199801261826.SAA23371@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Yours is a reasonable response, but keep in mind who you're > responding to. After a while one realizes a stone wall cannot offer a > reasoned reply. Carlos Behave yourself Carlos. Did you not tell us recently that you felt we should all kneel down and pray to the great man. Pretty balanced and objective outlook that one! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:48:13 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock 14/1 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980126184813.006d76fc@conted.swann.gatech.edu> I believe you're misquoting me a bit, Sandy, but it doesn't really matter. BTW, will you be celebrating April 21st (specially this year) as a personal holiday, maybe take the day off from work, knock back a few pints, beat up a German tourist or two, and blow up a couple of Dr.I models? You could always sneak into the IWM and destroy that wretched man's rotary, and then there's that portrait of "the creep" in the RAFM . . . Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:56:00 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Mannock Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Sandy Adam wrote: > > Note> The German and French biult many more 2-seater than 1-seat > > fighters. The opposite was true of the English. Then how can you say > > the the Brits were primarily interested in recon and the Germans in > > shooting down aircraft? > > Sorry pfed (is it Peter?), I thought the general duties of the two air > forces was pretty generally accepted but if your figures are correct it is > certainly worth investigation. Do you have sources for the ratios you refer > to? > > As an example I previously quoted Lieut-Gen Sir David Henderson in his > report to the General Staff in April 1917: > "....considering the deployment that is made of the air forces, that is to > say that the German aeroplanes are merely employed in trying to bring down > our aeroplanes, whereas ours are mainly employed in doing work required by > the Army." > Many, many sources will bear this out, but I don't think it is really > necessary is it? > Sandy I'll try to look up the reference tonight. However, just because an English (or German or certainly American) officer says something doesn't mean that it is true. It could easily be propaganda. pfed (peter fedders) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:17:18 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Active & Passive Undersides Message-ID: Dear Sandy: Re your "works outing," man, you really have to suffer for your job, don't you? Well, tough it out, buddy, tough it out! Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Sandy Adam wrote: > > Dear Sandy: Welcome back! How was the castle? > > Regards, Patrick > Great Patrick. Thanks for asking. > 16th-century oak-panelled dining room with walk-in fireplace which we had > to ourselves - and hit the bull's-eye because we had Microsoft Europe do a > presentation to us Thursday afternoon, who liked the place so much that > they are going to do their Spring roll-out there. > The owners couldn't do enough after that and gave a bottle of > Pouilly-Fuisse each at dinner that night! Friday morning was a blur! > Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:42:47 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Americal French Markings: Message-ID: Greetings, gents! As much as I hate to interupt the fascinating and productive debate as to which historical figures were demonic assassins, and which were shell-shocked basket cases, I'm going to do so anyway. A few issues back, I saw a reference in FSM's "New Products" listing about a recent addition to Americal's product line, in the way of French Escadrille markings in 1/72 & 1/48 scale. I haven't gotten around to ordering any of these yet, as I intend to do, but I'm wondering if any of you have them or have seen them, and could provide some insight as to what I might expect to find when I get mine? Anybody? Regards, Patrick P.S. Say, wasn't that Rene Fonk a real stinker, or what? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:53:19 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Americal French Markings: Message-ID: >Greetings, gents! As much as I hate to interupt the fascinating and >productive debate as to which historical figures were demonic assassins, >and which were shell-shocked basket cases, I'm going to do so anyway. A >few issues back, I saw a reference in FSM's "New Products" listing about a >recent addition to Americal's product line, in the way of French >Escadrille markings in 1/72 & 1/48 scale. I haven't gotten around to >ordering any of these yet, as I intend to do, but I'm wondering if any of >you have them or have seen them, and could provide some insight as to what >I might expect to find when I get mine? Anybody? > Regards, Patrick > >P.S. Say, wasn't that Rene Fonk a real stinker, or what? > There are two sets of French personal making sheets relatively recently released by Americal/Gryphon, these are: #110 Escadrille 3, MS/N/SPA $12.50 #111 Escadrille 3, MS/N (1:48) $12.50 #112 Escadrille 3, SPADs (1:48) $12.50 #113 Escadrille 3, Ni-17 (1:32) $12.50 #130 Groupe de Combat 12, Les Cigones, Esc 26,73,103 $12.50 #131 Groupe de Combat 12, Les Cigones, Esc 26,73,103 (1) (1:48) $12.50 #132 Groupe de Combat 12, Les Cigones, Esc 26,73,103 (2) (1:48) $12.50 #133 Groupe de Combat 12, Les Cigones, Esc 26,73,103 (1:32) Ni-17s $12.50 #134 Groupe de Combat 12, Les Cigones, Esc 26,73,103 (1:28) SPADs $12.50 My samples of these are at home, if you want additional details write me and I can give you some impressions. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:05:34 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Mannock Message-ID: <199801262054.VAA22217@d1o211.telia.com> War is war. and when you train young men to become killing machines, you shouldn't be surprised that they torn out to be exactly that. I have recently read a book by a Norwegian fighter pilot with the RAF during out last tiff with the Germans, which is really chilling reading. I'm sure the book has not been translated into English, so I'll try my own: >From Chapter I: One day I am on my way back towards the lines after a mix-up over the target. I fly at a couple of hundred feet below a continuous layer of stratocumulus. That's when I see them below me. A lorry convoy of German civilians. Evacuees from a nearby village which has come under artillery fire. From eight large lorries panicstricken eyes stare up at me. I flick the safety catch to the off position .. trying to stop myself, but is unable to . . again something happens to me that I cannot control. I *have to* get them. Have to. In a shallow dive towards the convoy I place my thumb on the button... Know that each second 190 bullets and shells pour into the bodies that now are tumbling off the backs of the lorries. I calculate coldly - approximately a couple of hundred women and men have survived the first attack. They lie flattened in the fields on both sides of the road. - Oh, no, dont think I'm giving you a chance! I hear a strange, exalted voice say it aloud. Smoke is rising from the burning lorries, while I'm circling the terrified people who now understand I'm preparing for another attack. I decide to alter targets. My bombs have a sort of spear tip that will make them stand in the ground even if I drop them in a flat trajectory. They have an 11 second delay fuse, so that a low-flying attacker will get away before the explosion. The people on the ground are turning their faces away as I drop three bombs right in the middle of the lot. I can feel their hope as the bombs fail to explode on impact. That's why most of them have gotten to their feet when the bombs go off. .... I land relieved and exalted. Then he goes on to tell his story from when he left occupied Norway, through his years with the Royal Norwegian Air Force in England, to the wasted years after the war while he was still suffering the aftereffects, with no help or understanding from the service he left immediately after the war. He concludes the book with the following: Several Norwegian pilots have committed suicide since the war. Many of them were highly decorated men who made a decisive and admirable effort during the war, but could not tackle the return to life in peacetime, after what they had had to go through. I hope the truth about my dead friends and their secret battle, will serve as grounds for an even greater gratitude to their efforts, and in the future serve as a basis for a realistic view of how war works on a human mind. (Sorry about the translation, best I could do in a hurry.) The book is by: Helmer Grundt Spang and is titled "Den hemmelige kampen" ("The Secret Fight/Battle") I guess this should serve as a lesson to those of us who have been fortunate enought to be spared this, and teach us not to pass judgment on people who have endured things we probably can never imagine. Let them rest, it's hardly for us to vilify men who fought for what they believed was right. Tom ---------- > Without getting into any risky racial comparisons regarding militarism, I > believe the British pilot had the same combat stresses as the German, but > also a whole number of additional fears and worries to keep him screaming > in his cot at night which the German did not have to put up with. > >>snip>> > It also helps to explain, (and I think to some extent condone,) why some > British pilots had Mannock's regrettable attitude of wishing to ensure > that, not only did the enemy plane go down, but that the enemy pilot died > on the way. Otherwise he would be up again tomorrow. That Mannock wanted > him to be actually burned alive shows he was hardly rational - but given > the above and seeing your comrades being set up and picked off every day > might make some of the rest of us pretty unhinged as well. > >>another snip>> >That many British and Commonwealth pilots, like Mick Mannock, > had mental problems is hardly surprising - but that many managed to retain > an appearance of normality and get on with their job; I find astonishing > and much more worthy of the term "hero" than any of the sycophantic crap > written about MvR. > > Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:42:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Active & Passive Undersides Message-ID: <199801262153.HAA06053@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hello Sandy, >It is not safe therefore to infer that the comments >about slack fabric only refer to BE2s (which my caption probably implied). >He of course moved on to SE5s after this. Nor of course, to infer the universal from the singular. Which makes: >But I quoted Douglas to >show that there is an opposing view which has first-hand documented >support. Believe whichever you will. ...an entirely laudable point of view. My position on this (as in everything that happened in a war that ended nearly 40 years before I was born) is that one had best check ones references and build ones models to suit. A good starting point is a photo of the aircraft in question of course ! When I build my BE2 I think I'll weigh your referece against my photos - and build another 425/17 ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:12:58 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: God in Details, etc. Message-ID: On the lighter side, I've noticed a slender stripe, probably painted, running chordwise and near the tips of propellers on some Aus./Hun. aircraft. These prop. lines seem to be peculiar to A/H aircraft only, perhaps an interesting distinction. What color are they? (They always appear darker in value than the props.) I'm working on an Oeffag Alb. now, and since I've joined the List, I feel it is absolutely mandatory to get it right. Also while I'm at it, on the rounded-nose series at times three lines are shown descending from the wing radiator to the engine/fuselage on side views. If two of the lines fore & aft are coolant lines, what is the third middle line? I didn't think there was a fuel tank in the wing. Matt Z. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:30:55 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: New Smer Double Kit Message-ID: Hello, Someone noted recently that the new Smer Sopwith Triplane is actually a reissue of the Eduard Tripe. I've seen an advert for a double kit - the Smer Tripe and the Alb. D.III. What's the pedigree of the Albatros? Is it the much maligned Aurora molding? Something worse? Something better? Just curious. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:30:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Old thread Message-ID: <199801262340.JAA06855@mimmon.mim.com.au> Don, Tom, The wire wound on a transformer or coil is coated in non conducting lacquer - so blacken-it won't work unless you first laboriously and scrupulously remove all the lacquer. For all that, I use this sort of wire frequently. It is available in spools from good electronics suppliers in an amazing range of thicknesses usefull for piping, cabling etc - but in my case NOT rigging where I find it too soft to be much use Regards Shane > ---------- > From: Don RInker[SMTP:drinker@fast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 27 January 1998 3:56 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Old thread > > Tom Werner Hansen wrote: > > > > Tidying up in my archive I found this old thread. > > I was able to take apart an old radio and came up with this > incredibly thin > > wire wound round the ferrite core. Is that what he used? > (Snip) > What you want is "Blacken-it" available at any hobby store that sells > train hobby items. Leve the wire in it till you get the shade you > want. > With wire this thing it only takes minutes. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:00:02 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: New Smer Double Kit Message-ID: >Hello, > >Someone noted recently that the new Smer Sopwith Triplane is actually a >reissue of the Eduard Tripe. I've seen an advert for a double kit - the >Smer Tripe and the Alb. D.III. What's the pedigree of the Albatros? Is it >the much maligned Aurora molding? Something worse? Something better? > >Just curious. > >Kevin Barrett. I'm wanting to see one of these myself. An earlier post said that the Albatros is the old Aurora/Merit/Smer molding of a cross between a D-III and D-V. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:26:56 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Books Message-ID: <34CC9D30.DF7@conted.gatech.edu> I got the latest Edward R. hamilton catalog today and came across the following items which might be of interest to some list members. Carlos 241989 Above the War Fronts $33.56 242012 Barker VC $24.46 861022 The Battleship Dreadnought $15.95 861030 Battleship Warspite $17.95 861103 The Britsih Fighter since 1912 $24.95 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:59:04 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: New Smer Double Kit Message-ID: <604e49fa.34cd3159@aol.com> Hi Kevin & Charles The New Smer Double is the Eduard Trip & the old Smer/Aurora(Copy) Alb D-3. Heck of a combo, one great kit ( Trip) & one 1960's Alb. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:59:30 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Americal French Markings: Message-ID: <19980126.200023.8982.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:40:37 -0500 Patrick Padovan writes: >P.S. Say, wasn't that Rene Fonk a real stinker, or what? Cripes. Now you've done it, Patrick. Why don't we let the aces rest for awhile? Let's get back to talking about the best series of planes ever produced; the Nieuports! :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:00:18 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock 14/1 Message-ID: <19980126.200023.8982.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:39:03 -0500 "Sandy Adam" writes: >Behave yourself Carlos. Did you not tell us recently that you felt we >should all kneel down and pray to the great man. Pretty balanced and >objective outlook that one! I don't know about the rest of you; I am sick and tired of this thread. Sure, the delete key is used, but I'm wearing it out. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:11:27 -0200 From: "Alexandre " To: Subject: OT : Hans-Joachim Marseille's Bf 109 F Message-ID: <199801270211.CAA28045@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br> Hi all ! Sorry for this "off topic" request, but I'm looking for some information about H-J M's Bf 109 F. Do you know if there is any decal sheet available in 1/48 scale? Any help would be appreciated. TIA ! Best regards, Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:44:06 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: OT : Hans-Joachim Marseille's Bf 109 F Message-ID: <19980126.204407.14294.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:15:03 -0500 "Alexandre " writes: > Sorry for this "off topic" request, but I'm looking for some >information about H-J M's Bf 109 F. Do you know if there is any decal sheet >available in 1/48 scale? AH...AH...AHHHHHHHHHHH My brain just stopped. Not only the Bf 10thingie was mentioned, but so was Braille Scale! AH...AH...AHHHHHHHHHHH Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:43:57 -0600 From: Kenneth Hagerup To: wwi Subject: Re: OT : Hans-Joachim Marseille's Bf 109 F Message-ID: <34CD49ED.7E41@prodigy.net> Alexandre wrote: > = > Message forwarded from Classic Prodigy=AE > = > --------------------------------------------------------------- > = > Subject: OT : Hans-Joachim Marseille's Bf 109 F > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:15:06 -0500 > From: "Alexandre " > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > To: Multiple recipients of list > = > Hi all ! > = > Sorry for this "off topic" request, but I'm looking for some informat= ion > about H-J M's Bf 109 F. Do you know if there is any decal sheet availab= le > in 1/48 scale? > Any help would be appreciated. > = > TIA ! > = > Best regards, > = > Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br Alexandre, (Apologies to the list for the off topic reply...) I have an old IPMS article with info on Marseille's Bf109Fs. I can send you scans or copies. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:23:54 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: New Smer Double Kit Message-ID: <34CCC6AA.18BD@conted.gatech.edu> Kevin, > What's the pedigree of the Albatros? Is it the much maligned Aurora molding? Oh yes. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:06:12 -0500 From: "Don RInker" To: Subject: Re: OT : Hans-Joachim Marseille's Bf 109 F Message-ID: <01bd2ad0$85dd9f20$2991f5ce@default> >> Sorry for this "off topic" request, but I'm looking for some >>information about H-J M's Bf 109 F. Do you know if there is .. Oh, that pathetic wretch Marseille.. Just another overrated hun with myriad metal problems, not at all like the God and Honor bound pilots of the UK. I heard Marseille drowned puppies and kicked blind people too............. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 864 *********************