WWI Digest 862

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: not forgetful!
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
  2) Re: Fokker Ersatz Wheels
	by John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
  3) New Rendition of Fokker Streaks
	by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett)
  4) Windsock 14/1
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
  5) Re: Windsock 14/1
	by John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
  6) Re: Windsock 14/1
	by Kenneth Hagerup <hagerupk@prodigy.net>
  7) Re: Windsock 14/1
	by "Don RInker" <drinker@fast.net>
  8) Fokker Dr-1 Site
	by "Don RInker" <drinker@fast.net>
  9) Re: New Rendition of Fokker Streaks
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 10) Re: More SPAD info requested
	by "Paul R. Howard" <phoward@abilene.com>
 11) Re: Methuen, Fe-8, SPAD XIII (Italian)
	by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
 12) Re: Early Nieuport help
	by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
 13) Re: New Rendition of Fokker Streaks
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
 14) RPM Samochod pancerny FORD Tc (Polish armored car kit from Russo-Polish War c.1920) 
	by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
 15) TV show
	by Robert Godfrey <rgodfrey@sound.net>
 16) Re: Windsock 14/1
	by Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
 17) Failled Project.
	by Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:33:35 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: not forgetful!
Message-ID: <34CACEAF.24F4@bellsouth.net>

KarrArt wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 98-01-17 23:56:40 EST, you write:
> 
> << I know you're busy with a 0/400 but hows about writing me up a more
>  detailed "how-to" on your Linberg OX-5 in exchange for that burnished
>  cowl method? At your liesure, of course.
> 
>  Ernest.
>   >>
> Howdy- a quickie to let you know I haven't forgot!
> Robert

Robert,

Thanks. I was probably going to remind you next week. How's the 0/400
comming along?

Ernest

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:48:16 -0500
From: John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fokker Ersatz Wheels
Message-ID: <34CA61A0.439C@worldnet.att.net>

Riordan and Michelle Goodwin wrote:
> 
> 
> I remember reading/seeing somewhere that these wheels were sometimes
> used on planes in training units, with the same idea of conserving
> precious rubber for operational units.
> 
> 
I have some pictures from a WWI Aero showing Albatros assembly.  There
are some very nice close-ups here.  I could try to dig this up if there
is any interest.

John Cyg.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:31:29 -0500
From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett)
To: wwi
Subject: New Rendition of Fokker Streaks
Message-ID: <v01530500b0f0dadbdb6e@[207.34.203.155]>

To the List,

Now that most of us have had a chance to look through the Fokker D.VII
Anthology I, does anyone have a comment about the revisionist view of the
streaked Fokker factory finish? The bright green seems a little on the
lurid side, but maybe it's right. However, all those poor folks who build
Willi Gabriel's D.VII using the JGI Fabric Special as a guide (or earlier
references) have got to be a little steamed.

I like the redo of Berthold's machine. After seeing botched renditions in
books, on covers, full scale flying replicas (!) and so many model boxes,
it's nice to see a profile that comes close to the one photo of this bird.

This is a great book, but I can't help feeling a little disgusted that both
of my D.VII models (Berthold's and Khune's) are painted "somewhat
incorrectly." I'll just have to do better next time (and not follow
Superscale painting and decaling guides!).

Kevin Barrett.



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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:54:03 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: "AAA - WW1 Group" <wwi>
Subject: Windsock 14/1
Message-ID: <199801251158.LAA12150@beryl.sol.co.uk>

Well guess who got a mention at long last in Windsock? - Allan Wright and
his WW1 web page!
We may be meeting some new memebers if other Windsock readers are connected
- mind you I suppose if you have access to the Internet you will have found
us by now.

The rest of 14/2? Oh no, guess who appears on page after page. A clue - he
was a creepy little German guy who loved killing things and has been
over-publicised ever since he ended nose up in a pile of faggots. (Seems
appropriate somehow.)

Round-up of large scale Dr.1 kits, lots of interesting reviews (TC Short
184 and Felix F2a in 1/48!, Toms Pfalz D.VIII and astonishing AJP Maquettes
brass framework kits) New books etc.

Plans feature on Avro 504 Seaplane - obviously Ray is having trouble with
copiers as he has printed plans on a grey-tone background, presumably to
stop the plagiarists.

New feature at the back on recently discovered colourful subjects for
popular aircraft - this one is a Fok D.VIII.

If you just buy occasionally, I suggest this is one to get, even with Red
Tripe everywhere.
Sandy

PS could somebody bounce a comment back on this message as I had system
messages back on the last three to say difficulties encountered. Thanks.


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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:01:39 -0500
From: John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Windsock 14/1
Message-ID: <34CB37B3.7729@worldnet.att.net>

Sandy Adam wrote:
> 
> The rest of 14/2? Oh no, guess who appears on page after page. A clue - he was a creepy little German guy who loved killing things and has been over-publicised ever since he ended nose up in a pile of faggots. (Seems appropriate somehow.)
> 

He probably enjoyed the kill as much as Mannock did, who after all is
supposed to have liked to watch them burn as they went down. Perhaps we
can be generous to both sides and say that war has a way of warping
one's values. 

Cyg

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:37:53 -0600
From: Kenneth Hagerup <hagerupk@prodigy.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Windsock 14/1
Message-ID: <34CB4E40.3007@prodigy.net>

Sandy Adam wrote:

> PS could somebody bounce a comment back on this message as I had system
> messages back on the last three to say difficulties encountered. Thanks.

Sandy,

Got it.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:06:41 -0500
From: "Don RInker" <drinker@fast.net>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Windsock 14/1
Message-ID: <01bd29a2$d7806a80$1199f5ce@default>

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:10:17 -0500
From: "Don RInker" <drinker@fast.net>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Fokker Dr-1 Site
Message-ID: <01bd29a3$5817ba40$1199f5ce@default>

For those who aren't afraid to sit alone in their room staring
at a shelf of dusty plastic ( and even those that are) this
page is for you.

http://www.gtmodels.com

Glenn Torrance models  1/4 scale Fokker Dr-1 and sonn D-VIII
CHeck out the customer photos page...
                                            Great work....



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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:57:57 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Rendition of Fokker Streaks
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980125235757.006e5284@philonline.com.ph>

Sorry, I don't have the book yet. So.....

>does anyone have a comment about the revisionist view of the
>streaked Fokker factory finish? The bright green seems a little on the
>lurid side

Why the suggestion of a brighter green? What proof does the book show?

> However, all those poor folks who build
>Willi Gabriel's D.VII using the JGI Fabric Special as a guide (or earlier
>references) have got to be a little steamed.

I've made the Gabriel D.VII, what does this new book say about it?


>I like the redo of Berthold's machine. After seeing botched renditions in
>books, on covers, full scale flying replicas (!) and so many model boxes,
>it's nice to see a profile that comes close to the one photo of this bird.

How is this new rendition different?


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Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:18:17 -0600
From: "Paul R. Howard" <phoward@abilene.com>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: More SPAD info requested
Message-ID: <01bd29ac$d828ace0$2a868ece@default>

Patrick,

Based on the fabric samples in the San Diego A&S Museum, the color
is a light blue.  The decals that Mike West of Lone Star Models uses are
very close to the samples I've seen.  I think that this is one case where
the
conjecture about availability it correct.  I'm sure that there will be many
people
who will argue this one, but the fabric in San Diego is supposed to have
been
taken from the US squadrons while serving with Nieuports.

MY $.02 worth,

Cheers,

Paul H.
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From: Patrick Gilmore <petrov26@novagate.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 4:25 PM
Subject: More SPAD info requested


>I am working on a SPAD XIII in USAS colors and was wondering what the
>correct color of blue is for the roundels? Every decal sheet I have has a
>very different shade of blue ranging from french "lightish" blue, a mid
>bright blue to a very dark navy blue. This last is on the Aeromaster 1/48th
>SPAD collection which I am using the 22nd Aero markings for this project. I
>know there was much variation in the colors during the Nieuport28 period,
>but I thought by the time the SPAD was in wide-scale US squadron use that
>there was a more-or-less official set of colors for the national markings.
>
>Someone recently mentioned an article on the 22nd Aero in C&C magazine but
>I lost the e-mail. Could someone let me know what issue that was and also
>if there is any source for getting my hands on a copy of this?
>
>Also, a back issue of Over the Front magazine I have has an excellent
>article on the 94th squadron N28s in Toul. In this article it mentions that
>there would be a second part in a future issue that would deal with the
>94ths SPADs. Does anyone know if this article was ever done?
>
>Thanks,
>Patrick Gilmore
>


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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:59:29 -0800
From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Methuen, Fe-8, SPAD XIII (Italian)
Message-ID: <34CB6F71.2FF8@ricochet.net>

Tom Werner Hansen wrote:
> 
> At least the boxed collection ESCI called The Red Baron's Circus included Baracca's SPAD XIII.
> Has anybody built this one? Anything wrong with it apart from the
> corrugated wings? Not quite as bad as the Airfix offering, but still.

I believe its a repackaging of the old Eldon Matchstick kit. A very
basic Spad with bumpy, inaccurate detail. The Academy kit is the same
molds. Suitable as a donor; I salvaged the thick prop and gave it to a
friend who doesn't usually build WWI. IMHO, the Revell kit is the way to
go.

Cheers,

Toby  
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:07:20 -0800
From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Early Nieuport help
Message-ID: <34CB7148.7182@ricochet.net>

KarrArt wrote:

>This plane has some kind of torch-like insignia on the side

FWIW, Nie. 1135 is the subject of one of the color profiles in the
Squadron Nieuport book. Good for a view of the torch insignia anyway.

Toby  
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:51:32 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Rendition of Fokker Streaks
Message-ID: <l03102800b0f12ba917d8@[128.138.153.98]>

>To the List,
>
>Now that most of us have had a chance to look through the Fokker D.VII
>Anthology I, does anyone have a comment about the revisionist view of the
>streaked Fokker factory finish? The bright green seems a little on the
>lurid side, but maybe it's right. However, all those poor folks who build
>Willi Gabriel's D.VII using the JGI Fabric Special as a guide (or earlier
>references) have got to be a little steamed.

     Some members of this list opted to buy this book direct from Albatros
and still await delivery via surface mail.  Given that there are to be
three volumes in the series, it helps to cut costs where possible.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu



>I like the redo of Berthold's machine. After seeing botched renditions in
>books, on covers, full scale flying replicas (!) and so many model boxes,
>it's nice to see a profile that comes close to the one photo of this bird.
>
>This is a great book, but I can't help feeling a little disgusted that both
>of my D.VII models (Berthold's and Khune's) are painted "somewhat
>incorrectly." I'll just have to do better next time (and not follow
>Superscale painting and decaling guides!).
>
>Kevin Barrett.




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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:04:36 -0800
From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: RPM Samochod pancerny FORD Tc (Polish armored car kit from Russo-Polish War c.1920) 
Message-ID: <34CB8CB4.129A@ricochet.net>

Sorta off-topic, but thought a few might be interested. Picked this up
at a shop yesterday for $8.00+ US, and was generally pleased. The box
art features two of these early Polish AFVs (based on the Model T) w/
4-color camo in front of a knocked-out Austin-Putilov halftrack.
Good 1/35 kit of an unusual subject - early armored cars. Good moldings
with a bit of cleanup necessary on the spoked wheels. Detail is good all
round with separate chassis and drivetrain,front & rear ends, individual
fittings molded separately, and although not really visible, no engine
is included (anyone know of any sources for 1/35 injection 'T' engine or
drawings at least?) and no turret view/sighting port is depicted. The
Maxim/Vickers could probably be augmented with a replacement from Tamiya
Russian WWII Soldiers kit. Also, no lens supplied for headlight. Subtle
texturing on plate surfaces, but there are no locator tabs, so this one
will take some care to assemble.
I might have to get the DML (Italeri?) Cossacks so this one has
something to gun down >:-)

Has anyone gotten around to producing a Rolls armored car kit in 1/35
(or anything larger than 1/72?) for say, under $40?

Cheers,  

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:09:55 -0600
From: Robert Godfrey <rgodfrey@sound.net>
To: wwi
Subject: TV show
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980125140955.007ca730@pop.sound.net>

Greetings Group,

Yesterday I stumbled on a really good program about WWI aircraft, pilots,
tactics, etc.  It had lots of movie footage I haven't seen before.  I
watched nearly 10 min. before I got the VCR on, but then I got most of it.
I got started where they discuss construction, metallurgy and
reconstruction with lots on the Reinbeck (?sp) museum.  They go through
most of the more common developmental features of the aircraft and
armaments.  There's much on Americans before and after the US got in the
war.  They rather poo poo the Brown-Richtofen claim and  believe the Aussie
ground gunners got him.   They said MvR clearly wasn't up to par again
after his head injury and that his coordination and determination were
definitely off when he was shot down by whomever.  

"Wings: Flying Coffins" was shown on the Discovery Channel on Saturday, Jan
24th at 2pm(cst) for one hour.  I checked to see when it would be again,
but had been on the two days before and only had 3 runs scheduled.  I went
to DC's web site and left a message to please show it again and let me know
when so I can tell all of you.

It's well worth watching and for info on actual aircraft construction
methods and materials I haven't seen anything better.  They spend lots of
time on the Sopwiths with much detail.  There's also obviously a bunch on
von Richtofen and his Dr I.

Regards to you all,

Bob G.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:30:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Windsock 14/1
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980125153008.10426B-100000@tardis.svsu.edu>

Message received AOK.

On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Sandy Adam wrote:

> Well guess who got a mention at long last in Windsock? - Allan Wright and
> his WW1 web page!
> We may be meeting some new memebers if other Windsock readers are connected
> - mind you I suppose if you have access to the Internet you will have found
> us by now.
> 
> The rest of 14/2? Oh no, guess who appears on page after page. A clue - he
> was a creepy little German guy who loved killing things and has been
> over-publicised ever since he ended nose up in a pile of faggots. (Seems
> appropriate somehow.)
> 
> Round-up of large scale Dr.1 kits, lots of interesting reviews (TC Short
> 184 and Felix F2a in 1/48!, Toms Pfalz D.VIII and astonishing AJP Maquettes
> brass framework kits) New books etc.
> 
> Plans feature on Avro 504 Seaplane - obviously Ray is having trouble with
> copiers as he has printed plans on a grey-tone background, presumably to
> stop the plagiarists.
> 
> New feature at the back on recently discovered colourful subjects for
> popular aircraft - this one is a Fok D.VIII.
> 
> If you just buy occasionally, I suggest this is one to get, even with Red
> Tripe everywhere.
> Sandy
> 
> PS could somebody bounce a comment back on this message as I had system
> messages back on the last three to say difficulties encountered. Thanks.
> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:29:05 +0100
From: Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
To: "'ww1 modeling list'" <wwi>
Subject: Failled Project.
Message-ID: <01BD29D3.15E04720@fei1-p14.telepac.pt>

Hi Guys,


Ok, I'll admited it: I BLEW IT.

Wish I had  taken Shane's advice  and forget all about wing ribs: after =
using up 2 wing sets and trying all the tricks in the book I ended up =
trying to scratchbuild 2 wings for my Roland CII: Plastic core with  =
.005 scored sheet uppersurfaces. This seemed like a good solution but I =
ended up with a couple of blunt wings with a very faulty aerodynamic =
profile.=20

But that was just the beginning: when I started painting the beast I =
mistook the thinners bottle and used a very strong thinning agent that =
turned the wings and fuselage plastic into something akin of 200 grit =
wet and dry...

I'll finish it anyway. I've spent so much time on it that it just =
doesn't seem right to lay it off... and I have a spare fuselage and a =
top wing to start it all over again, so sometime in the future.... who =
knows....

Um abraco

Pedro

Guys,  I went through the site  that deals with the 27th pursuit =
squadron ( a very nice job BTW) and this guy Jerry Vasconcells (who was =
a descendant from a Portuguese emigrant) got me wonderin' and looking at =
my Revell SPAD... Anyone with  3 side views of it? (or was it Nieuport?)


Pedro




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