WWI Digest 858 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: 1/72 FE-8 by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 2) Re: Methuen Color Reference by vedrank@pro1.sjever.fsb.hr (Vedran Kalamiza) 3) Re: Fabric wrinkles by Jim Wallace 4) Re: 160hp Mercedes D.III by Maciej Szymanski 5) Re: spad 13 colours by Charles Hart 6) Re: One more to make the syndicate by Kr0i2 7) RE: Active & Passive Undersides by Matthew Zivich 8) Re: help pleeeeease!!!! by Matthew Zivich 9) RE: One more to make the syndicate by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 10) Re: Fabric wrinkles by Matthew Zivich 11) RE: One more to make the syndicate by fedders 12) Harleyford R&B- H-P 0/400 by KarrArt 13) RE: One more to make the syndicate by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 14) Lnike-Hofmann R Planes by KarrArt 15) Re: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes by Charles Hart 16) RE: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes by Shane Weier 17) Re: One more to make the syndicate by Kr0i2 18) Re: Harleyford R&B- H-P 0/400 by Kr0i2 19) RE: Active & Passive Undersides by Shane Weier 20) RE: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 21) RE: One more to make the syndicate by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 22) Re: Harleyford R&B- H-P 0/400 by KarrArt 23) RE: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes by Shane Weier 24) RE: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 25) Re: Fabric wrinkles by Joey Valenciano 26) Re: Fabric wrinkles by Joey Valenciano 27) Re: help pleeeeease!!!! by Joey Valenciano 28) Re: spad 13 colours by "Bill Ciciora" 29) RE: Active & Passive Undersides by 30) RE: Active & Passive Undersides by ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:40:38 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/72 FE-8 Message-ID: Graham Nash wrote: > >I have three listed on my database > >Aeroclub Injected Announced Only circa 1996 >Airframe Vacuform 1981 >Scaleplanes Vacuform 1987 > >None of which I've ever seen around. > I did some research into the Aeroclub injected kit some months back. After exchanging E-mails with Sopwith Hobbies, it was determined that the kit, sadly, was never produced and looks like it won't be. Who knows - If Toko kits do well, maybe they'll pick up the ball on this one. (Hey, one can hope!) Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:21:14 +0100 From: vedrank@pro1.sjever.fsb.hr (Vedran Kalamiza) To: wwi Subject: Re: Methuen Color Reference Message-ID: <199801211221.NAA00703@pro7.sjever.fsb.hr> Is this the D.H.Klaus IPMS cross reference book?I didn`t see it on sale since 1994 Hannants cat.Do you know where one could find a copy? Vedran Kalamiza vedrank@sjever.fsb.hr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:10:23 -0500 From: Jim Wallace To: wwi Subject: Re: Fabric wrinkles Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19980121071023.00928cf0@pop.atl.mindspring.com> Joey Valenciano wrote: > > >One thing I do see is the fuselage wrinkling which I sometimes will try to > >duplicate. > > And what are the ways that this could be done? Although I haven't tried it, I saw a fine example of wrinkles done with white glue. I asked the modeler how he did it and he said he simply painted the wrinkles on. This may be a better technique for smaller scale kits. jw ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:26:40 +0100 From: Maciej Szymanski To: wwi Subject: Re: 160hp Mercedes D.III Message-ID: <34C5F790.2D258204@ibch.poznan.pl> Bob Pearson wrote: > > Greetings All, > > I have just completed a computer profile of the 160hp Mercedes D.III engine, > using the old Wylam drawings as a basis. My head hurts when I try to work > out what the present scale is, but when reduced to 16.6% it becomes 1/48 > scale. Anyone wanting a copy, drop me a line, the file size is 112k. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson I'd like to get a copy. Thanks, Maciej -- ----------------------- Maciej Szymanski Poznan, Poland mszyman@ibch.poznan.pl ----------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:25:29 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: spad 13 colours Message-ID: >michell steel writes: > >>I know that the Italians used the Spad 7 during the war but did they use >>the Spad 13 and if so any great decals out there. This would have to be the >> later version with the squared off wing tips as I wish to build this >>aircraft out of the box. > >The Italian 77a and 91a Squadriglie were equipped with SPAD XIII's >prior to the end of the war. I'm pretty sure most, if not all, >were of the later variety with the squared wing tips. > >The only Italian SPAD XIII decals I'm aware of are for Barraca's >SPAD XIII - which was included in one of the ESCI 1/72 kits. >Americal might have something else available but, after frantic >shuffling, I'm unable to locate my Americal list. > Americal/Gryphon's Italian sheets (#10 1/72 scale, #50 1/48 scale) only feature cockades and rudder stripes. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:43:27 EST From: Kr0i2 To: wwi Subject: Re: One more to make the syndicate Message-ID: <2f27ea34.34c633c1@aol.com> Hi gang, I happen to have the following two Harleyford books and would be glad to provide info from either: Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War The Recon & Bomber book is dated 1962. The Fighter book shows first published in 1960 with my copy showing 1964. The Recon & Bomber book is full of fold-out pages due to the size of the three-view layouts in 1/72 scale. I don't use them very often and it seems a shame not to make them available to someone who might need the info. Ed MacDonald ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:26:58 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Active & Passive Undersides Message-ID: Shane, Thanks for the reprint. It has helped me to understand what I was observing in my photographs. However I would still wonder about the effects of humidity on canvas/linen. I know, for example, that oil paintings on canvas or more particularly on linen are liable to expand and warp under humid conditions indoors. These works too are varnished, etc. Wouldn't it seem equally difficult to control an aircraft's canvas out-of-doors? Matt Z. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:31:19 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: help pleeeeease!!!! Message-ID: Joey, Off-beat suggestion: try German postage stamps from that era. Matt Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:32:33 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: One more to make the syndicate Message-ID: <01BD2668.A79A3F40.panz-meador@vsti.com> ed: does the bomber/recce book have any info/plans on the german linke-hoffman giant bombers (i think the R-I had chain driven props between the wings, whereas the R-II had all engines driving a single propeller in the nose, but aside from a photo of the R-I partially covered in "cellon", i've never seen pix on either...)? phillip -----Original Message----- From: Kr0i2 [SMTP:Kr0i2@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: One more to make the syndicate Hi gang, I happen to have the following two Harleyford books and would be glad to provide info from either: Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War The Recon & Bomber book is dated 1962. The Fighter book shows first published in 1960 with my copy showing 1964. The Recon & Bomber book is full of fold-out pages due to the size of the three-view layouts in 1/72 scale. I don't use them very often and it seems a shame not to make them available to someone who might need the info. Ed MacDonald ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:42:39 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fabric wrinkles Message-ID: I've never tried it yet, but why not tiny filaments of hobby shop moss mixed with primer and painted on flat? Matt Z On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jim Wallace wrote: > Joey Valenciano wrote: > > > > >One thing I do see is the fuselage wrinkling which I sometimes will try to > > >duplicate. > > > > And what are the ways that this could be done? > Although I haven't tried it, I saw a fine example of wrinkles done with > white glue. I asked the modeler how he did it and he said he simply > painted the wrinkles on. This may be a better technique for smaller scale > kits. > > jw > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:48:13 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: One more to make the syndicate Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > ed: > > does the bomber/recce book have any info/plans on the german linke-hoffman > giant bombers (i think the R-I had chain driven props > between the wings, whereas the R-II had all engines driving a single > propeller in the nose, but aside from a photo of the R-I partially covered > in "cellon", i've never seen pix on either...)? > Try the book on German Giants by Grosz and Haddow (sp?) pfed > phillip > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kr0i2 [SMTP:Kr0i2@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 11:55 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: One more to make the syndicate > > Hi gang, > > I happen to have the following two Harleyford books and would be > glad to provide info from either: > > Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War > > Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War > > The Recon & Bomber book is dated 1962. The Fighter book > shows first published in 1960 with my copy showing 1964. > > The Recon & Bomber book is full of fold-out pages due to the > size of the three-view layouts in 1/72 scale. > > I don't use them very often and it seems a shame not to make > them available to someone who might need the info. > > Ed MacDonald > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:41:41 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Harleyford R&B- H-P 0/400 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-21 12:52:24 EST, you write: << Hi gang, I happen to have the following two Harleyford books and would be glad to provide info from either: Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War >> Howdy It's been a long time since I saw the Recon-Bomber book.I'm still gathering all I can on the Handley-Page 0/400 and I can't remember what Harleyford might have that's pertinant. I have another book that reprinted the sideview from the Harleyford but is there anything photo-wise that looks good? Especially the guts?Internal bomb racks etc? Thanks! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:58:16 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: One more to make the syndicate Message-ID: <01BD266C.3F9CB540.panz-meador@vsti.com> thanks--i've got that one on order from putnam in the UK. the nice thing about the harleyford books (at lease the fighters book, which i've got) is that they provide cross sections of the fuesalage and wing. because these guys, and the ones built by siemens, were so, er, unusual looking, i've got the itch to try scratchbuilding one. phillip -----Original Message----- From: fedders [SMTP:pfed@saladin.wustl.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 12:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: One more to make the syndicate On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > ed: > > does the bomber/recce book have any info/plans on the german linke-hoffman > giant bombers (i think the R-I had chain driven props > between the wings, whereas the R-II had all engines driving a single > propeller in the nose, but aside from a photo of the R-I partially covered > in "cellon", i've never seen pix on either...)? > Try the book on German Giants by Grosz and Haddow (sp?) pfed > phillip > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kr0i2 [SMTP:Kr0i2@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 11:55 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: One more to make the syndicate > > Hi gang, > > I happen to have the following two Harleyford books and would be > glad to provide info from either: > > Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War > > Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War > > The Recon & Bomber book is dated 1962. The Fighter book > shows first published in 1960 with my copy showing 1964. > > The Recon & Bomber book is full of fold-out pages due to the > size of the three-view layouts in 1/72 scale. > > I don't use them very often and it seems a shame not to make > them available to someone who might need the info. > > Ed MacDonald > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:50:32 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-21 13:33:53 EST, you write: << does the bomber/recce book have any info/plans on the german linke-hoffman giant bombers (i think the R-I had chain driven props between the wings, whereas the R-II had all engines driving a single propeller in the nose, but aside from a photo of the R-I partially covered in "cellon", i've never seen pix on either...)? phillip >> I've got the Grosz-Haddow Giant book.You're correct on all bits!Nice coverage of both- 3-views, photos. Besides the cellon R.8/15, the second of these beasts, R.40/16, was a covered with lozenge. The R.II was a massive single prop thing.In 1/144 it's about the size and look of a 1/48 fighter! If you ever go crazy and want to make one of these things, let me know. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:23:44 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes Message-ID: >In a message dated 98-01-21 13:33:53 EST, you write: > ><< does the bomber/recce book have any info/plans on the german linke-hoffman > giant bombers (i think the R-I had chain driven props > between the wings, whereas the R-II had all engines driving a single > propeller in the nose, but aside from a photo of the R-I partially covered > in "cellon", i've never seen pix on either...)? > > phillip >> > I've got the Grosz-Haddow Giant book.You're correct on all bits!Nice coverage >of both- 3-views, photos. Besides the cellon R.8/15, the second of these >beasts, R.40/16, was a covered with lozenge. >The R.II was a massive single prop thing.In 1/144 it's about the size and look >of a 1/48 fighter! >If you ever go crazy and want to make one of these things, let me know. >Robert There is an issue of Windsock that has drawings of the L-H R-II in either 1/72 or 1/144. Issue in question is not in front of me. I'm sure that one of the database hounds on this list will provide the specific reference before I can get to my stash of issues. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:57:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes Message-ID: <199801212207.IAA09438@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi all, Charles says > >There is an issue of Windsock that has drawings of the L-H R-II in >either 1/72 or 1/144. Issue in question is not in front of me. I'm sure >that one of the database hounds on this list will provide the specific >reference before I can get to my stash of issues. >Charles Without looking in my database, because coincidence leads me to have it with me at work, I can tell you that the Linke Hoffman R.I article is in Windsock Vol 10 # 1 January/February 1994 It includes 1/72 and 1/144 plans by Col Owers, and 7 photos of R.8/15 and R.40/16 FWIW I am sure that the L-H R.II is covered in similar depth in the next issue. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:38:01 EST From: Kr0i2 To: wwi Subject: Re: One more to make the syndicate Message-ID: Phillip, The Linke-Hofmann R-1 is not covered in the 3-view plans. There is a small picture 1 1/2" x 3 1/2" shot of the left side taken from an angle that comes in slightly behind the left wingtip. The propeller that is visible is on a long shaft that does appear to be chain-driven. The photo contrast isn't the greatest. There's what appears to be an open section on both sides of the fuselage that starts forward of the lower wing trailing edge and continues for several feet to the rear. You can see completely through the fuselage in the photo. Fuselage is completely lozenge. The photo is captioned "Linke-Hofmann R-1, 4x260hp Mercedes, 1916, Experimental" The plane is not covered in the aircraft specifications section. This is the only Linke-Hofmann picture in the book. Ed MacDonald ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:38:04 EST From: Kr0i2 To: wwi Subject: Re: Harleyford R&B- H-P 0/400 Message-ID: <514d3d4f.34c66abf@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-21 13:53:57 EST, you write: << Howdy It's been a long time since I saw the Recon-Bomber book.I'm still gathering all I can on the Handley-Page 0/400 and I can't remember what Harleyford might have that's pertinant. I have another book that reprinted the sideview from the Harleyford but is there anything photo-wise that looks good? Especially the guts?Internal bomb racks etc? >> Hi Robert, There's 3 pictures specifically of the 0/400 and 3 more of the 0/100. One of the 0/400 is a 1 3/4" x 3 1/2" shot from behind the pilot that shows the front Lewis gun and mount and a little bit of the cockpit over the pilot's right shoulder. Another one is shot from the left front and shows the plane with the wings folded back. The 3rd is shot from the right front from quite a distance and shows the plane with the tail sitting on a 4 wheel cart. One of the 0/100 shots shows the plane from the right rear (distant) the other two 0/100 are shot from the left front (one is the prototype). All from distance. I could send you the narrative that accompanies the photos and plans if it would be of interest. Let me know... Ed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:10:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Active & Passive Undersides Message-ID: <199801212220.IAA09545@mimmon.mim.com.au> Matt asks >Thanks for the reprint. It has helped me to understand what I >was observing in my photographs. However I would still wonder about the >effects of humidity on canvas/linen. I know, for example, that oil >paintings on canvas or more particularly on linen are liable to expand >and warp under humid conditions indoors. These works too are varnished, etc. >Wouldn't it seem equally difficult to control an aircraft's canvas >out-of-doors? Yes and no. Aircraft fabric is fine linen, not canvas. It's covered with dope, not varnish. When the first coat of dope is applied it is worked into the weave quite vigorously - this is reported in several sources. The intention is to completely fill the weave and shrink the fabric as the shrinking dope dries. Note several things. An artist does not paint a canvas with the intention of completely soaking the fabric to protect it though the fabric is undercoated with a medium intended to tauten and paint proof it. "Dope" is *not* the same stuff as the varnish applied over an oil painting , and we really shouldn't call it varnish. It's normally a mix of nitro cellulose alcohol, benzol and amyl acetate, and is intended to shrink enormously as it dries. Put that over a painting and it would pull the paint off the canvas. But put it on linen (*not* canvas) and it makes it waterproof to a large extent, shiny, smooth, hard and never saggy except if it's damaged. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:14:13 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes Message-ID: <01BD2687.9E110D40.panz-meador@vsti.com> outstanding, and a big thanks! one question: is the "next issue" the vol. 10, no. 2 issue, or the current upcoming issue? phillip -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier [SMTP:SDW@qld.mim.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 4:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes Hi all, Charles says > >There is an issue of Windsock that has drawings of the L-H R-II in >either 1/72 or 1/144. Issue in question is not in front of me. I'm sure >that one of the database hounds on this list will provide the specific >reference before I can get to my stash of issues. >Charles Without looking in my database, because coincidence leads me to have it with me at work, I can tell you that the Linke Hoffman R.I article is in Windsock Vol 10 # 1 January/February 1994 It includes 1/72 and 1/144 plans by Col Owers, and 7 photos of R.8/15 and R.40/16 FWIW I am sure that the L-H R.II is covered in similar depth in the next issue. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:16:42 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: One more to make the syndicate Message-ID: <01BD2687.F6FA9660.panz-meador@vsti.com> OK, thanks for the quick reply. based on other stuff, i'll try the windsock article for this beauty... phillip -----Original Message----- From: Kr0i2 [SMTP:Kr0i2@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 4:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: One more to make the syndicate Phillip, The Linke-Hofmann R-1 is not covered in the 3-view plans. There is a small picture 1 1/2" x 3 1/2" shot of the left side taken from an angle that comes in slightly behind the left wingtip. The propeller that is visible is on a long shaft that does appear to be chain-driven. The photo contrast isn't the greatest. There's what appears to be an open section on both sides of the fuselage that starts forward of the lower wing trailing edge and continues for several feet to the rear. You can see completely through the fuselage in the photo. Fuselage is completely lozenge. The photo is captioned "Linke-Hofmann R-1, 4x260hp Mercedes, 1916, Experimental" The plane is not covered in the aircraft specifications section. This is the only Linke-Hofmann picture in the book. Ed MacDonald ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:27:53 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Harleyford R&B- H-P 0/400 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-21 17:04:41 EST, you write: << 0/400 and ..... 0/100...... I could send you the narrative that accompanies the photos and plans if it would be of interest. Let me know... Ed >> Thanks- it sounds like I've got the same photos- but the text might have some hidden clue! Yes, please- I'd love to check out narrative. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:29:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes Message-ID: <199801212240.IAA09642@mimmon.mim.com.au> Phillip, >outstanding, and a big thanks! Most welcome. >one question: is the "next issue" the vol. 10, no. 2 issue, or the current upcoming issue? Sorry, I meant 10/2. Incidentally, at the price of a snail mail address, I'll copy both articles and post them to you Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:51:16 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes Message-ID: <01BD268C.CAC00260.panz-meador@vsti.com> shane: thanks, but only if it's not an imposition or any trouble. the address is: Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador Viking Science & Technology, Inc. 16821 Buccaneer Lane, Ste. 216 Houston, TX 77058 USA phillip -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier [SMTP:SDW@qld.mim.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 4:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Lnike-Hofmann R Planes Phillip, >outstanding, and a big thanks! Most welcome. >one question: is the "next issue" the vol. 10, no. 2 issue, or the current upcoming issue? Sorry, I meant 10/2. Incidentally, at the price of a snail mail address, I'll copy both articles and post them to you Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:23:49 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Fabric wrinkles Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980122072349.006d9194@philonline.com.ph> >> >One thing I do see is the fuselage wrinkling which I sometimes will try to >> >duplicate. >> >> And what are the ways that this could be done? > >The most succesful effort I have had so far was to use aluminium kitchen >foil attached with epoxy resin Interesting procedure, I'll try it one of these days. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:24:56 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Fabric wrinkles Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980122072456.006d9194@philonline.com.ph> At 07:14 AM 1/21/98 -0500, you wrote: >Joey Valenciano wrote: >> >> >One thing I do see is the fuselage wrinkling which I sometimes will try to >> >duplicate. >> >> And what are the ways that this could be done? >Although I haven't tried it, I saw a fine example of wrinkles done with >white glue. I asked the modeler how he did it and he said he simply >painted the wrinkles on. Hmmmm.... but white glue shrinks. I'll give it a try anyway. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:45:03 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: help pleeeeease!!!! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980122084503.006e0934@philonline.com.ph> At 01:34 PM 1/21/98 -0500, you wrote: >Joey, > >Off-beat suggestion: try German postage stamps from that era. Hmmmm..... a good idea. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:02:35 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: spad 13 colours Message-ID: I have a MSAP Spad 13 set in 1/48 that includes the 91a Squadriglia griffon and red-white-green (outside to inside) cockades. Available for trade. Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:07:16 +0000 From: To: wwi Subject: RE: Active & Passive Undersides Message-ID: <199801220513.AAA10468@newman.concentric.net> > "Dope" is *not* the same stuff as the varnish applied over an oil > painting , and we really shouldn't call it varnish. It's normally a mix > of nitro cellulose alcohol, benzol and amyl acetate, and is intended to > shrink enormously as it dries. Shane is, of course, correct. Dope has more in common with what US usage calls lacquer than it does with varnish. Real lacquer is made with nitrocellulose and alcohol, among other things, while traditional, pre-urethane varnish is made with linseed oil. Varnish was used on British airplanes, but in the form of Pigmented Oil Varnish, the grey finish used on metal and called battleship grey by modelers. Rob Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:10:57 +0000 From: To: wwi Subject: RE: Active & Passive Undersides Message-ID: <199801220517.AAA11619@newman.concentric.net> >Wrinkles on laced fuselages are another kettle of fish of > course. Also true. I believe that they result because the warp and the woof of the fabric have different degrees and rates of shrinkage--the fabric tends to bag more along the bias as you tighten it more. Rob Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 858 *********************