WWI Digest 855 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Il'ya Muromets by DavidL1217 2) Hat In The Ring Markings by "Leonard Endy" 3) Re: Champlin Berg by "Bill Ciciora" 4) Re: Bergman MP 18/1 dimensions by Suvoroff 5) Re: Lozenge colour shades by Bob Pearson 6) Re: Ethnic Slurs by KarrArt 7) Re: Toko kits #2 (SSW D.III/D.IV) by Joey Valenciano 8) Re: Printing onto plastic card by Joey Valenciano 9) Re: Hat In The Ring Markings by "Don RInker" 10) Re: Hat In The Ring Markings by "Douglas R. Jones" 11) Re: Hat In The Ring Markings by Ernest Thomas 12) Re: Hat In The Ring Markings by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 13) Re: Ethnic Slurs by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 14) Re: Il'ya Muromets by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 15) Re: FYI by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 16) Re: Il'ya Muromets by Bob Pearson 17) Re: FYI by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 18) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 19) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: Fokker E.III rudder by Ernest Thomas 21) Re: Active & Passive Undersides by Ernest Thomas 22) Re: Active & Passive Undersides by Bob Pearson 23) Re: Il'ya Muromets by mbittner@juno.com 24) Re: Hat In The Ring Markings by mbittner@juno.com 25) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by "Sandy Adam" 26) Re: Albatros W.4 by Alberto Rada 27) Methuen Color Reference by James Gibbons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:18:14 EST From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: Il'ya Muromets Message-ID: <2e556cd5.34c40974@aol.com> Yes, I too am glad to see a better Muromets. But why another 'Beh' and not the more common 'G'? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:29:15 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Hat In The Ring Markings Message-ID: <34c50a81.24616359@legend.firstsaga.com> I had a request from an individual, via his friend, who managed to get a hard copy list of the decals listed on the SnS page. What he is looking for is "Hat In The Ring" markings for a 1/4 scale model. I'll assume it's RC in nature. Anyone have any ideas ? I did suggest maybe scanning a smaller version, blowing it up, no, not with TNT (somebody else would have said it...), and using the printed large size as a mask. Also I've almost completed a comparison of the Eduard Star Strutter against the info in the FMP book. Pretty accurate for the most part. Hope to get it finished later this week and I'll post it to the list then. Len Endy lfendy@firstsaga.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:46:37 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: Champlin Berg Message-ID: Ira asks: >> Does anyone have decent color shots of this bird that they could scan and email me? << Have you looked at http://www.xnet.com/~tmblweed/aviatikd1.html Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:24:35 EST From: Suvoroff To: wwi Subject: Re: Bergman MP 18/1 dimensions Message-ID: According to Ian Hogg's _The Complete Machinegun_, the MP-18 had a length of 32.1" overall, barrel length of 7.9". Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:16:43 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Lozenge colour shades Message-ID: <03164312461198@KAIEN.COM> Greetings All, As the originator of the Methuen for CMYK colours, I had best clarify that these are for final PRINTED results. The colour on your screen will vary due to room lighting and screen setup. One way to get accurate screen colours is to print out a test strip and then adjust your screen to match. Also when printing be sure that you are set for CMYK mode and not RGB. The CMYK colours were also in 10% increments, so can vary by 5% in either direction. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: infosilver@czechia.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Lozenge colour shades > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:26:23 -0500 > > Hello everybody, > > I spent some time browsing through WWI mailing list archive and found there > very interesting thread dealing with German lozenge colour shades. > Using Methuen colour references from WWI web site I followed Mr. Pearson's > conversion table to CMYK signal to obtain these shades in my Corel Draw > soft, but I am not very happy with the results. Light colours seem too > bright, even gaudy, darker ones, especially Deep Turquoise 24E7, are almost > black. Am I supposed to do something more in order to get better results > (e.g. supress the colour hue or lower contrast)? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:51:44 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Ethnic Slurs Message-ID: <8b25165.34c41142@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-19 20:22:08 EST, you write: << derivation of "boche" >> Checking the etymology in the American Heritage Dioctionary gives "French,short for alboche :probably al -, from allemand, German + caboche, pate, hard skull from Old French caboce, head ( see cabbage) further: ca -, perjoritive prefix +boce, a bump or swelling from Vulgar Latin bottia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:18:21 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko kits #2 (SSW D.III/D.IV) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980120101821.006d4bf0@philonline.com.ph> Hi Ivan, Could you give a more detailed description of this one? >Alfred Lenz's green/lozenge SSW D.IV 3083/18. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:27:24 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Printing onto plastic card Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980120112724.006d4bf0@philonline.com.ph> >It's been 45 minutes since the first test and IT'S NOT DRY YET. > >I'll get back to you when I find out how long. Don't! You may never get back to us if you decide to wait. I have another, much simpler solution. I used it to make a Fokker D.III fuselage and cowl: 1) Make the necessary drawings with whatever CAD software. 2) Print onto good quatiy paper. 3) Apply double sided tape to the plastic you'll be using. 4) Apply the drawing onto the tape. 5) Cut out plastic parts and peel off paper/tape. 6) If you want to transfer certain marks (datum lines, locating marks), just prick through the drawing to transfer them onto the plastic. I got fuselage parts of great accuracy this way. And I'd probably never get the cooling slots on the front of the cowl right without this process. BTW, anyone who wants the templates I drew for the Fok.D.III project is welcome to them (not much, just fuselage sides and front, and cowl front) upon request. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:30:15 -0500 From: "Don RInker" To: Subject: Re: Hat In The Ring Markings Message-ID: <01bd2553$b95dfde0$35ef93cd@default> >I had a request from an individual, via his friend, who managed to get >a hard copy list of the decals listed on the SnS page. A friend , of a relative of a friend, knows a guy down the street..... :-) > What he is >looking for is "Hat In The Ring" markings for a 1/4 scale model. I'll >assume it's RC in nature. > >Anyone have any ideas ? > What the guy wants is a decal set from MAJOR decals. I dont have the address right here, but if the guy IS and R/Cer, they post adds almost every month in Model Aviation ( the AMA magazine) and adds appear monthly in most of the R/C magazines. They have 1/4 scale decals of US, RAF, French and German roundels in various sizes up to about 12" diameter. They also have several US squadron markings includint the HAt in the Ring logo. These are available in Pressure sensitive mylar and also in water transfer. This should help.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:01:15 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi Subject: Re: Hat In The Ring Markings Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980119214736.006a8f58@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 09:33 PM 1/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone have any ideas ? Have him contact anyone of the several decal makers/vinyl cutters. There are several that will take something as small as 1/48 decals and make larger ones. American Vinyl (?) comes to mind. Have him search some of the modeling mags or the R/C web sites. Doug ------------------------------------------------------------- Douglas R. Jones Aero Classics Mfg. Co. 3106 Bellflower Dr. Carrollton, TX. 75007 (972)394-0093 ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:04:56 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Hat In The Ring Markings Message-ID: <34C42268.47EE@bellsouth.net> > > Also I've almost completed a comparison of the Eduard Star Strutter > against the info in the FMP book. Pretty accurate for the most part. > Hope to get it finished later this week and I'll post it to the list > then. > > Len Endy > lfendy@firstsaga.com Len, I'll be looking forward to that. TIA. Ernest. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:45:57 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Hat In The Ring Markings Message-ID: <199801200445.AA26633@ednet1.orednet.org> > >I had a request from an individual, via his friend, who managed to get >a hard copy list of the decals listed on the SnS page. What he is >looking for is "Hat In The Ring" markings for a 1/4 scale model. I'll >assume it's RC in nature. >Anyone have any ideas ? I've seen BIG decal sheets of this marking at hobby shops specializing in flying models. I know not whether they were 1/4 scale or not but there were a couple different scales available and as 1/4 scale is at least semi-standard for R/C models, it does seem likely. You might check out a hobby shop which is heavily into flying models - even if they don't have it in stock, they should have access to the cataloges. Good luck and cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:50:35 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Ethnic Slurs Message-ID: <199801200450.AA29190@ednet1.orednet.org> > >In a message dated 98-01-19 20:22:08 EST, you write: > ><< derivation of "boche" >> >Checking the etymology in the American Heritage Dioctionary gives >"French,short for alboche :probably al -, from allemand, German + caboche, >pate, hard skull from Old French caboce, head ( see cabbage) >further: ca -, perjoritive prefix +boce, a bump or swelling from Vulgar Latin >bottia Well, I knew it had something to do with "cabbage heads" even if I had the wrong language. Come to think of it, I can't imagine why I would have supposed that the French pejorative for the Germans would have orginated from a German rather than a French word - projecting from the derivation of "kraut", I suppose. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:09:44 -0600 (CST) From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: Il'ya Muromets Message-ID: >YES!!! I scoff at all you people who have bought multiple Maquetes >Il'ya's. > >ICM has announced an Il'ya in 1/72nd!!!! Word has it it's more accurate >and better detailed than the Maquetes version. > It is more accurate in many ways. There are some parts that look to be very thick, but they can't be seen when the kit is assembled. The flying compartment has all the wood framework in place on the inside, and the surface detail on the aft end of the fuselage is very nice. The dry fit is good. When I get arounf to actually doing some glue work, this one will be like the others from ICM. A small amoount of filling to be done on almost all seams. The way the engines and all associated parts is representated is quite nice. Markings are provided for Kievskij, type V-9 No 150 pilot snr. lt. I Bashko, Feb 1915, Ukranian Squadron of Air Ships, Summer 1918, Aviation of 1st Polish Corps, Bobrujsk, Feb 1918 and Red Army Aviation 1919. It also has full rigging diagrams. Yoou have to study them a while to make out all the splits and anchor points, but they are there. The castings are a bit more finate than the Maquetes one. The engine treatment is much better. I am sure someone will be able to come up with other uses when the kit is available. > >Squadron (John): will you be bringing these out under the Encore banner >like you have the other ICM 1/72nd kits? Please say yes. :-) It will not be in an Encore box. This one will be under the ICM label. John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:12:22 -0600 (CST) From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: FYI Message-ID: >>On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:55:02 -0500 Charles Hart >>writes: >> >>> All of these Toko kits have had earlier guises as Czech resin >>>kits, though I have never seen a resin example of the Hansa Brandenburg >>D-I >>>Star--strutter. Anyone on this list have one ? Comments ? >> >>You have seen the kits then? Why are you holding out. :-) >> >> >>Matt Bittner > > I'll clarify my earlier statement. All of the subjects on the TOKO WW >I list have been past subjects of Czech Resin kits. My first suspicion on >seeing the Toki list was that these would be mastered from the Czech kits, >a la Pegasus and Merlin and others. I along with everyone else on this >list await the arrival of Toko kits in a local shop. > Squadron will be stocking the line. Watch for arival info on the web page. They will be listed there as soon as they come in. JPH Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:18:49 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Il'ya Muromets Message-ID: <05184966061566@KAIEN.COM> But I already built the Maquete one . . . . . . . . Bob Pearson ---------- > From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Il'ya Muromets > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:12:47 -0500 > > >YES!!! I scoff at all you people who have bought multiple Maquetes > >Il'ya's. > > > >ICM has announced an Il'ya in 1/72nd!!!! Word has it it's more accurate > >and better detailed than the Maquetes version. > > > It is more accurate in many ways. There are some parts that look to be > very thick, but they can't be seen when the kit is assembled. The flying > compartment has all the wood framework in place on the inside, and the > surface detail on the aft end of the fuselage is very nice. The dry fit is > good. When I get arounf to actually doing some glue work, this one will be > like the others from ICM. A small amoount of filling to be done on almost > all seams. The way the engines and all associated parts is representated > is quite nice. Markings are provided for Kievskij, type V-9 No 150 pilot > snr. lt. I Bashko, Feb 1915, Ukranian Squadron of Air Ships, Summer 1918, > Aviation of 1st Polish Corps, Bobrujsk, Feb 1918 and Red Army Aviation > 1919. It also has full rigging diagrams. Yoou have to study them a while > to make out all the splits and anchor points, but they are there. The > castings are a bit more finate than the Maquetes one. The engine treatment > is much better. I am sure someone will be able to come up with other uses > when the kit is available. > > > >Squadron (John): will you be bringing these out under the Encore banner > >like you have the other ICM 1/72nd kits? Please say yes. :-) > > It will not be in an Encore box. This one will be under the ICM label. > John > > Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:23:48 -0600 (CST) From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: FYI Message-ID: >On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:33:49 -0500 Riordan and Michelle Goodwin > writes: > >>Does that mean they'll be priced < $20 US? > >One place I seen I think is asking $10.90 for them. > I think Squadron will havr them around the $10.00 mark. I will check an dsee what I can kind out. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:32:31 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <199801200532.AA20296@ednet1.orednet.org> Sandy writes: >Isn't it a shame that Hawker's pusher was so outclassed - if he could just >have had a Pup a few weeks later, he could have stopped the murdering >little Prussian in his tracks there and then. Just think - no Red Baron >crap to have to put up with ever after! >Wishfully >Sandy Okay, I'll bite if no one else will. Why this almost pathologic hatred of MvR? The task of a fighter pilot is to engage and destroy the enemy. MvR was better at this particularly nasty task than were most but that hardly makes him a murderer - unless we wish to classify Hawker and McCudden and Guynemer and Bishop and a whole host of others as murderers as well. War is a particularly deadly business but participation therein does not make the participant a "murderer". Hawker died because he made the most basic of all fighter pilot errors - he and his compatriots were so eager to "jump" the German observation planes that they were pursuing that they failed to "check their six" and got "jumped" themselves. MvR was simply a fine fighter pilot who took maximum advantage of a tactical opportunity but he was no murderer. If you wish to use the term "murderer" in connection with the WW1 combatants, you might reserve the term for the likes of French and Ludendorff who could send 10,000 young men to their deaths in a single morning, have tea with lunch, and order the attack renewed in the afternoon with another 10,000 dead. All for 500 meters of shell scarred real estate of no particular importance at all. Or, perhaps the term might be justly applied to the donkeys in the Air Department of the War Office who kept sending young men up in BE.2s long after it should have been apparent to any thinking person that the damn things weren't even suitable for training - much less combat. But MvR doesn't deserve that particular pejorative. He was no saint - indeed few fighter pilots are saints. Most of them were (and are) given to a multitude of venial sins. But they are not murderers, MvR included. -soap box mode off- Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:37:05 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <34C44611.5253@bellsouth.net> Bill Shatzer wrote: > > Sandy writes: > > >Isn't it a shame that Hawker's pusher was so outclassed - if he could just > >have had a Pup a few weeks later, he could have stopped the murdering > >little Prussian in his tracks there and then. Just think - no Red Baron > >crap to have to put up with ever after! > >Wishfully > >Sandy > > Okay, I'll bite if no one else will. Why this almost pathologic > hatred of MvR? > > The task of a fighter pilot is to engage and destroy the enemy. > MvR was better at this particularly nasty task than were most > but that hardly makes him a murderer - unless we wish to classify > Hawker and McCudden and Guynemer and Bishop and a whole host of > others as murderers as well. War is a particularly deadly > business but participation therein does not make the participant > a "murderer". > > Hawker died because he made the most basic of all fighter > pilot errors - he and his compatriots were so eager to > "jump" the German observation planes that they were > pursuing that they failed to "check their six" and got > "jumped" themselves. MvR was simply a fine fighter pilot > who took maximum advantage of a tactical opportunity > but he was no murderer. > > If you wish to use the term "murderer" in connection with the > WW1 combatants, you might reserve the term for the likes of > French and Ludendorff who could send 10,000 young men to their > deaths in a single morning, have tea with lunch, and order > the attack renewed in the afternoon with another 10,000 dead. > All for 500 meters of shell scarred real estate of no > particular importance at all. > > Or, perhaps the term might be justly applied to the donkeys > in the Air Department of the War Office who kept sending > young men up in BE.2s long after it should have been apparent > to any thinking person that the damn things weren't even > suitable for training - much less combat. > > But MvR doesn't deserve that particular pejorative. He was > no saint - indeed few fighter pilots are saints. Most of them > were (and are) given to a multitude of venial sins. But > they are not murderers, MvR included. > > -soap box mode off- > > Cheers and all, > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." Bill, Watch out. Someone may accuse you of trying to advance some revisionist history and start calling you names. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:43:47 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker E.III rudder Message-ID: <34C447A3.2406@bellsouth.net> Geoff Smith wrote: > > Hi y'all, > > First off, many thanks for the Poll Triplane info. > > Can someone explain how the E.III rudder was pivoted? From the datafile i= > t > looks like the lower end pivoted at the junction of the tailskid struts b= > ut > how about the upper end? TIA > > Regards, > > Geoff Geoff, Having studied that question long and hard while building my Eduard E-III, I've decided that this is one of the great mysteries of life. It seems the best photo I could find of that detail is in the datafile. And on that particular specimen of eindecker, the rudder seems to be attatched at the top by 70 years of dust. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:13:04 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Active & Passive Undersides Message-ID: <34C45C90.6AA9@bellsouth.net> Matthew Zivich wrote: > > Recently while viewing some photographs that I had taken of WWI > aircraft at the Smithson. Air/Space Mus. (Snipe, Voisin, Alb DVa, etc.) & > some my son had taken at the Imp. War Mus., London (Camel, BE.), I > noticed the undersides of the wings (all were above eye level) were not > noticeably defined with the "starved cow" look of protruding ribs beneath > canvas. The surfaces were uniformly even on all craft with only the > slightest definition of rib tape. Indeed on the Alb. DVa there was the > slightest hint of convexity of canvas between the supportive tapes. > After noting this I glanced at my own varied collection of > 1/48th, aeroplanes also above eye level and noted the variety of > definitions of wing undersides. Those that had the starved cow > definition appeared overstated (Aurora Alb.C-III for example) while those > that may have been criticized for lack of definition (other early > Auroras) appeared closer to my photographs in unders. appearance. > Could it be then, that plance in flight with wind resistance > would have one kind of definition whereas planes meant for, say, dioramas > or not in flight would have another kind of definition? > > Matt Z. Matt, That's a real good observation. I noticed that at Aerodrome and it didn't even register in my mind until you said it just now and then it clicked. I think the starved cow look is a good example of someone making a model the way they think it should look instead of the was does look. I know I can't be the only person who's done this. But we try to get better, yes? I would think think that if anything, the underside wing fabric would be stretched tighter on an A/C in flight, thus, less pronounced ribs. This would be caused be the overall stress on the wing, span-wise, over-riding the stresses on the fabric between the ribs. Of course, the shape of the airfoil would also play a part and that would explain variation between different a/c. Ex; Flat bottomed wings would have no dip between the ribs, symetrical airfoils would have the starved cow look. While the earlier type airfoils with the lower camber running more parrallel with the upper camber might appear to sag due to stresses in the fabric running more from leading edge to trailing edge. Something like the wings on the DML DrI. But this example seems overstated to me. I'll check my pictures from Aerodrome when I get them back from Trent Tidmore. But even these a/c were modern replicas and I don't know for certain that those airfoils are accurate reproductions. Any word from the experts? Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:37:29 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Active & Passive Undersides Message-ID: <09372911562015@KAIEN.COM> Attention Shane ! ! ! ! Please repost your thesis on this subject for the enlightenment of the newcomers, or direct them to the date you originally sent it. :-) regards, The Foul Imposter (read your archives to see where this is from) ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Active & Passive Undersides > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 03:19:24 -0500 > > Matthew Zivich wrote: > > > > Recently while viewing some photographs that I had taken of WWI > > aircraft at the Smithson. Air/Space Mus. (Snipe, Voisin, Alb DVa, etc.) & > > some my son had taken at the Imp. War Mus., London (Camel, BE.), I > > noticed the undersides of the wings (all were above eye level) were not > > noticeably defined with the "starved cow" look of protruding ribs beneath > > canvas. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:54:27 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Il'ya Muromets Message-ID: <19980120.050013.4254.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:12:47 -0500 huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) writes: >It will not be in an Encore box. This one will be under the ICM >label. Any idea about when Squadron plans on getting them in? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:31:58 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Hat In The Ring Markings Message-ID: <19980120.050013.4254.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:33:37 -0500 "Leonard Endy" writes: >Also I've almost completed a comparison of the Eduard Star Strutter >against the info in the FMP book. Pretty accurate for the most part. >Hope to get it finished later this week and I'll post it to the list >then. I for one would like to know which version is makes (28 or 65; which 65). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:11:04 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <199801201215.MAA22464@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > Okay, I'll bite if no one else will. Why this almost pathologic > hatred of MvR? Three reasons - First I have a typical British empathy for the underdog - MvR always, always, always had the cards heavily loaded in his favour. Second - irrespective of what you say the man was a pathological killer - almost all the other aces you mention expressed distate for what they did and sought to escape killing when they went on leave. On leave MvR merely switched his killing from men to animals. Bickers (not the most objective author - but then neither is Kilduff) even likens his cups and trophy hunting to that of savages exhibiting their enemy's heads. Third - the grossly over-spotlit attention given to this miserable wretch, insults the lives and deaths of many, many admirable young men - on both sides - who are much more worthy of our attention, but remain in his public shadow. I will always respect Voss for the job of work he did (much as I dislike the fact that he was killing my grandfathers' contemporaries), but MvR took too long in finally (inadvertantly) crossing the lines and facing the same risks that his BE2 opponents faced every one of their brief days. That the legend of the Red Baron brings newcomers to our area of interest is greatly welcomed. That they quickly appreciate that he was but one over-publicised, candidate for their attention is greatly to be hoped for. I totally agree with your comments about the High Command on both sides, especially the British, but thats a different story. Maybe we should take this off-list if you want to continue. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:19:22 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros W.4 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980119221922.006eb418@pop.true.net> Hi Lone Star Macchi M5 and Lohner L also Alberto At 02:09 AM 18-01-98 -0500, you wrote: > >The Formaplane Rumpler 6B1 comes with dollies and trestles - granted they >are vacform, but they are a start. > >Bob > >---------- >> From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: Albatros W.4 >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:56:52 -0500 >> >> snip >> >> >Am I the only one who wishes Pegasus/MPM/whomever would supply beaching >> >"dollies" with their seaplanes? >> >> Matt, you are not alone in this area. Some float planes need a dolly or >> something just to display them in a decent way. >> John >> >> Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission >errors. >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:14:42 -0500 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Methuen Color Reference Message-ID: <01BD257C.74B47D80.jgibbons@vppsa.com> Howdy all, Does anyone know if there is a cross reference available for converting Methuen color references to US Federal Standard color references. Barry at Rosemont informed me that Methuen color decks are hard to find and fairly expensive when I asked him if he could get one for me. On the other hand he indicated that the FS standard book was readily available from the US government for under $25. If anyone on list has done any work in this area (or knows where such a listing can be found) I would love to hear about it. James Gibbons ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 855 *********************