WWI Digest 851 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: DVII by mbittner@juno.com 2) von Schleich's Fokker D-7 markings by Jim Wallace 3) FYI by Carlos Valdes 4) Re: Ernest's Fokkers by Ernest Thomas 5) Re: von Schleich's Fokker D-7 markings by TPT PUMPER 6) Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar by Joey Valenciano 7) turned metal finishes, Ernest's Fokkers by Joey Valenciano 8) Re: FYI by mbittner@juno.com 9) Re: FYI by DavidL1217 10) Re: Pricing for D-Va by DavidL1217 11) JvBertrab's purple Albatross by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 12) Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar by Bob Pearson 13) Re: turned metal finishes, Ernest's Fokkers by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 14) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by Bob Pearson 15) Re: turned metal finishes, Ernest's Fokkers by Bob Pearson 16) RE: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 17) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by "CHARLES JOHNSON" 18) Re: DVII by Dave Watts 19) Re: Yipee! by Dave Watts 20) Color Profiles of WW1 Combat Planes (was Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross) by Bob Pearson 21) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by Matthew Zivich 22) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by Carlos Valdes 23) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by Bob Pearson 24) Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar by Joey Valenciano 25) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by Joey Valenciano 26) Re: New Schiffer Fokker Dr.1 book by BStett3770 27) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by TPT PUMPER 28) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by KarrArt 29) models and engines by KarrArt 30) Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross by KarrArt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:38:46 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: DVII Message-ID: <19980117.073847.4254.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:22:48 -0500 Allred240Z writes: >What's the title of the DVII book I see ravings about and where is it >available. Fokker D.VII, Anthology 1, Albatros Productions Ltd (the same folks putting out Windsock and the Datafiles) Mine came from Roll Models, for $30. A must buy if you have any inkling of building Fokker D.VII's. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:15:48 -0500 From: Jim Wallace To: wwi Subject: von Schleich's Fokker D-7 markings Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19980117101548.00955100@pop.atl.mindspring.com> I have a friend working on this a/c and has a question about the markings below. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Jim W. >Somewhere I picked up the idea that >Ritter von Schleich's Fokker D-7 was painted all black, except for the >white outlined crosses and the Prussian stripe and the Bavarian coat of >arms on the fuselage and a white radiator section. > Is the white radiator section >correct? Or was it, like the rest of the ship, painted black? >None of my references give any specific detail on von >Schleich's plane except for "all black, with the Bavarian emblem and the >black-and-white Prussian stripes." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:18:31 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: FYI Message-ID: <34BF6C37.44C9@conted.gatech.edu> Found this at a Polish on-line hobby shop (some snipping): TOKO has announced its releasing plans for 1998 - here they are: Sopwith 7F1 Snipe and Nieuport 11 Bebe (1/72, Feb.) Hansa Brandenburg W29, Aviatik Berg D I (Mar.) Hansa Brandenburg D I, Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter (Apr) The Pfalz D.XII and SSW D.III/IV are already out. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:16:46 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Ernest's Fokkers Message-ID: <34C0D96E.5880@bellsouth.net> Kevin & Kimberley Barrett wrote: > > If you haven't already, have a look at Ernest's Fokkers at > www.xnet.com/~tmblweed. Great stuff. > > Ernest, which method did you use to get the "turned metal" look on the > E.III engine cowl? > > The Waldo Pepper triplane brought back some good memories - very nice airplane. > > Kevin Barrett. Kevin, Thanks for the nice words on my models. The E-III cowl was painted like that. The darker base color is Pactra Acryllic gunmetal with either Humbrol flat aluminum or Testors silver. I honestly don't remember which. The real challenge was keeping the silver squigles random but consistant. The brush has a tendency to fall into patterns like S's or C's. But other than that, it's pretty easy to do and I'm pleased with the result. The Waldo Pepper Triplane has always been a favorite of mine. I did it on the Revell 1/28 Dr-I when I was a kid, but that model got "Big Sistered". So when the DML came out, I just had to do it again. Thanks again. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:38:12 EST From: TPT PUMPER To: wwi Subject: Re: von Schleich's Fokker D-7 markings Message-ID: Hi Jim! I have the DS Abbott drawing for von Schleich's D.VII. It was an OAW machine (with the "small" louvers). The wings and tailplane are 4-color lozenge fabric. The fin and rudder were white with the appropriate crosses. The rest was black. Gray tires, no fuselage ctosses. Just behind the cockpit was the circular emblem found on his earlier Albatros--the Bavarian lion on a field of blue/white diamonds. The drawing is based on a painting by Rudolph Stark (Jastas 34b and 35b). Hope this helps! Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:46:05 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980117234605.006b2b38@philonline.com.ph> First of all, Graham, many many thanks for the complete calendar. Hi all, Since many of you now own the calendar, I'm posting this on the list. I was surprised, honored, and amused to see one of my own drawings included in the calendar. It's the black Albatros D.V, where'd you get it Graham? Just curious. A little explanation about the drawing for those interested: Udet flew it, hence the "LO" The lower wing should have a cross on the lower surface This plane is drawn as a D.V, the actual plane with this scheme was a D.Va Graham, where'd you get the profile of the twin seater on the Nov-Dec .jpg? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:00:37 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: turned metal finishes, Ernest's Fokkers Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980118000037.006b2b38@philonline.com.ph> >Ernest, which method did you use to get the "turned metal" look on the >E.III engine cowl? It's been a while since this sort of thread was tossed around. Let's give it another go. Ernest, how'd you do yours? I also seem to remember someone using a felt tip pen in his process. Who was it? Anyone remember how it was done? I seem to remember a few list members giving this method a thumbs up. My method: 1) Make sure the surface is smooth, free of scratches, wet sand, then buff with metal polish (liquid abrasive) if necessary. 2) Spray area with Humbrol Polished Steel and buff to a sheen. 3) With a fine tipped brush, paint little circles/donuts onto the suface, using Humbrol Polished Aluminum. Follow the buffing pattern seen in pictures. 4) When dry, put some Humbrol Polished Aluminum into your airbrush and give the area a LIGHT DUSTING. This will lessen the contrast between the dark steel background and the light aluminum donuts. Remember, go easy when spraying, just a light dusting. Metal paints are very opaque, you could ruin the work you've done with one too many passes. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:00:36 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: FYI Message-ID: <19980117.121322.4238.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:16:04 -0500 Carlos Valdes writes: >Found this at a Polish on-line hobby shop (some snipping): > >TOKO has announced its releasing plans for 1998 - here they are: > Sopwith 7F1 Snipe and Nieuport 11 Bebe (1/72, Feb.) > Hansa Brandenburg W29, Aviatik Berg D I (Mar.) > Hansa Brandenburg D I, Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter (Apr) > > The Pfalz D.XII and SSW D.III/IV are already >out. Finally some dates! Looks like I'll be going broke in February (just how many Nie.11's should I buy? :-)) and April. However, the Aviatik is new to me. Too cool! Anybody have the Pfalz and SSW yet? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:32:20 EST From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: FYI Message-ID: How do these compare with the Pegasus kits? My guess is that they both come fro Czech Masters resins. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:37:35 EST From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: Pricing for D-Va Message-ID: It's a shame about the kit. As an insurance broker, I would have hoped Proctor would have Products liability coverage in sufficient amounts and made the designer an additional insured. It's a shame we have to share this planet with the plaintiff's bar. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:01:44 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <01BD2348.1098AAA0.panz-meador@vsti.com> after having seen mention of Joachim von Bertrab's "purple alb. with unique white comet insignia" at the aerodrome's aces list and in grub street's "above the lines", i'm tempted to model it. does anyone know of any existing profiles, photographs, or drawings of this plane? somewhat off topic, but i've been "lurking" on this list after having subsribed back in november. thanks to all for the information and many hours of enjoyment reading about modeling and wwI (and including weird tidbits like where "tommy atkins" came from). phillip anz-meador ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:15:52 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar Message-ID: <21155258855790@KAIEN.COM> Joey, I am the culprit for your Udet D.V appearing in the calender. I sent it to Graham (after asking you for permission) many months ago. As I was unable to open the calender images, what other aircraft are shown? Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Joey Valenciano > First of all, Graham, many many thanks for the complete calendar. > > Hi all, > > Since many of you now own the calendar, I'm posting this on the list. > I was surprised, honored, and amused to see one of my own drawings included > in the calendar. It's the black Albatros D.V, where'd you get it Graham? > Just curious. > > A little explanation about the drawing for those interested: > Udet flew it, hence the "LO" > The lower wing should have a cross on the lower surface > This plane is drawn as a D.V, the actual plane with this scheme was a D.Va > > Graham, where'd you get the profile of the twin seater on the Nov-Dec .jpg? > > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:18:25 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: Re: turned metal finishes, Ernest's Fokkers Message-ID: <01bd238d$72bb99a0$a14ffbce@chrisban> I just took a look at Ernest's web site, and I noticed that he's got pictures of the Champlin collection. I've heard a pretty solid rumor that the Boeing Museum up in Seattle has purchased the majority of the Champlin collection, including all of the WWI stuff, and will be bringing it North over the next two years. They also got most of the WWII stuff, with the exception of the P-51. So, if you're down in that area, you might want to take lots of pictures before they leave, and if you're in the Pacific Northwest, hang on for a couple of years.... This rumor was from one of the museum directors, so I think that it is pretty solid. Chris Banyai-Riepl .. "One must be a wise reader to quote wisely and well." A. Bronson Alcott (1799-1888), U.S. educator, social reformer. Table Talk, bk. 1, "Quotation" (1877). .. Alga Computer Systems http://willapabay.org/~herper/ .. Aviation What-Not http://www.willapabay.org/~herper/aviation ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:23:42 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <21234263455805@KAIEN.COM> Phillip, I have done a profile of this aircraft in the purple scheme. Although I would like it to have been black, when Jon Guttman and Greg Vanwyngarden viewed it they commented that purple is readily made from blue and red, so purple is a possibility. All references I have seen suggest pruple overall with white and red comet. The crosses are in revese colour as well. If you would like a copy let me know. The photograph of vB and the Albatros appears in Windsock 5/4: 5. If you are unable to find a copy, I can email it as well. Regards, Bob PEarson ---------- > From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: JvBertrab's purple Albatross > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:04:19 -0500 > > after having seen mention of Joachim von Bertrab's "purple alb. with unique > white comet insignia" at the aerodrome's aces list and in grub street's > "above the lines", i'm tempted to model it. does anyone know of any > existing profiles, photographs, or drawings of this plane? > > somewhat off topic, but i've been "lurking" on this list after having > subsribed back in november. thanks to all for the information and many > hours of enjoyment reading about modeling and wwI (and including weird > tidbits like where "tommy atkins" came from). > > phillip anz-meador > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:26:03 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: turned metal finishes, Ernest's Fokkers Message-ID: <21260325655806@KAIEN.COM> That would be great - and we could have a future OTF gathering in Seattle :-) None of this spending all day flitting about North America for me - the rest of you however . . . . . Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" > I just took a look at Ernest's web site, and I noticed that he's got > pictures of the Champlin collection. I've heard a pretty solid rumor that > the Boeing Museum up in Seattle has purchased the majority of the Champlin > collection, including all of the WWI stuff, and will be bringing it North > over the next two years. They also got most of the WWII stuff, with the > exception of the P-51. So, if you're down in that area, you might want to > take lots of pictures before they leave, and if you're in the Pacific > Northwest, hang on for a couple of years.... > > This rumor was from one of the museum directors, so I think that it is > pretty solid. > > Chris Banyai-Riepl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:44:54 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <01BD235E.DC1B0C20.panz-meador@vsti.com> Bob: yes, i would certainly appreciate copies of your profile, as well as the Windsock photo. I'm coming back to modeling after an interregnum (er, uh, my last and best model was a heller yak-3 that i completed with the cincinatti-san francisco super bowl going on in the background...) and haven't started updating my references (inspired by the list, though, i've started to dig out harleyford's fighter book, "color profiles of ww1 combat planes", profiles, "eisernes kreuz und balkan kreuz", etc.--FUN!). pretty much any format (JPG, GIF, ZIP, etc. is OK). thanks, Phillip -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson [SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 1998 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Phillip, I have done a profile of this aircraft in the purple scheme. Although I would like it to have been black, when Jon Guttman and Greg Vanwyngarden viewed it they commented that purple is readily made from blue and red, so purple is a possibility. All references I have seen suggest pruple overall with white and red comet. The crosses are in revese colour as well. If you would like a copy let me know. The photograph of vB and the Albatros appears in Windsock 5/4: 5. If you are unable to find a copy, I can email it as well. Regards, Bob PEarson ---------- > From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: JvBertrab's purple Albatross > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:04:19 -0500 > > after having seen mention of Joachim von Bertrab's "purple alb. with unique > white comet insignia" at the aerodrome's aces list and in grub street's > "above the lines", i'm tempted to model it. does anyone know of any > existing profiles, photographs, or drawings of this plane? > > somewhat off topic, but i've been "lurking" on this list after having > subsribed back in november. thanks to all for the information and many > hours of enjoyment reading about modeling and wwI (and including weird > tidbits like where "tommy atkins" came from). > > phillip anz-meador > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:10:40 -0500 From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" To: Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <19980117221235.AAA27647@default> Phillip, when you dig out your copy of Color Profiles of WW I combat Planes. I need the full title and author and publisher , i have had no luck in finding this book T I A for your help.. Regards Charlie ---------- > From: Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: JvBertrab's purple Albatross > Date: Saturday, January 17, 1998 4:49 PM > > Bob: yes, i would certainly appreciate copies of your profile, as well as > the Windsock photo. I'm coming back to modeling after an interregnum (er, > uh, my last and best model was a heller yak-3 that i completed with the > cincinatti-san francisco super bowl going on in the background...) and > haven't started updating my references (inspired by the list, though, i've > started to dig out harleyford's fighter book, "color profiles of ww1 combat > planes", profiles, "eisernes kreuz und balkan kreuz", etc.--FUN!). pretty > much any format (JPG, GIF, ZIP, etc. is OK). > > thanks, > > Phillip > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Pearson [SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 1998 3:25 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross > > > Phillip, > > I have done a profile of this aircraft in the purple scheme. Although I > would like it to have been black, when Jon Guttman and Greg Vanwyngarden > viewed it they commented that purple is readily made from blue and red, so > purple is a possibility. All references I have seen suggest pruple overall > with white and red comet. The crosses are in revese colour as well. If you > would like a copy let me know. > > The photograph of vB and the Albatros appears in Windsock 5/4: 5. If you > are > unable to find a copy, I can email it as well. > > Regards, > Bob PEarson > > ---------- > > From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: JvBertrab's purple Albatross > > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:04:19 -0500 > > > > after having seen mention of Joachim von Bertrab's "purple alb. with > unique > > white comet insignia" at the aerodrome's aces list and in grub street's > > "above the lines", i'm tempted to model it. does anyone know of any > > existing profiles, photographs, or drawings of this plane? > > > > somewhat off topic, but i've been "lurking" on this list after having > > subsribed back in november. thanks to all for the information and many > > hours of enjoyment reading about modeling and wwI (and including weird > > tidbits like where "tommy atkins" came from). > > > > phillip anz-meador > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:35:31 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: Re: DVII Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980117143531.007cbe20@192.168.0.5> At 08:22 AM 1/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >What's the title of the DVII book I see ravings about and where is it >available. >Bob > Hi Bob, "FOKKER D.VII Anthology". I got mine from Wise Owl Worldwide Publications, I ordered on a Monday and got it Thursday. Pretty good, seeing how I'm 2000 miles away from them. Their phone number is 310-375-6258, fax 310-375-0548, email: wiseowl@sprintmail.com. The price with US mail priority express was $37.00. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:22:48 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: Re: Yipee! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980117142248.007ca440@192.168.0.5> At 01:19 AM 1/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >In a message, Carlos write: > ><< I finally got my hanfs on the new D.VII special! > >I got mine Thursday, and it is a beautiful book. I thing this anthology will >be very good. Like you, I have to dive into this and absorb it. > >-Rick- > I got mine Friday from Wise Owl, I'm with ya, this thing "kicks rudder"! Great insights, and conclusions, as well as some unpublished photos. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:31:39 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Color Profiles of WW1 Combat Planes (was Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross) Message-ID: <22313911655926@KAIEN.COM> Charlie, Color Profiles of WW1 Combat Planes by Giorgio Apostolo & Giorgio Begnozzi, Crescent books 1974. The five view profiles are great, the rest of the 300 or so side views are suspect in many cases. But this was one of my two *bibles* twenty years ago. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:37:32 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: Bob, On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Bob Pearson wrote: > > Phillip, > > I have done a profile of this aircraft in the purple scheme. Although I > would like it to have been black, when Jon Guttman and Greg Vanwyngarden > viewed it they commented that purple is readily made from blue and red, so > purple is a possibility. I have found that getting "purple" as we may commonly know it (neither blue-violet or red-violet) is virtually impossible to obtain from mixing red & blue pigments together. At least not what most people would commonly accept as purple. You get a maroon hue, but perhaps not all that different from some of the mauve hues also used by the Germans. All references I have seen suggest pruple overall > with white and red comet. The crosses are in revese colour as well. If you > would like a copy let me know. > > The photograph of vB and the Albatros appears in Windsock 5/4: 5. If you are > unable to find a copy, I can email it as well. > > Regards, > Bob PEarson > > ---------- > > From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: JvBertrab's purple Albatross > > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:04:19 -0500 > > > > after having seen mention of Joachim von Bertrab's "purple alb. with > unique > > white comet insignia" at the aerodrome's aces list and in grub street's > > "above the lines", i'm tempted to model it. does anyone know of any > > existing profiles, photographs, or drawings of this plane? > > > > somewhat off topic, but i've been "lurking" on this list after having > > subsribed back in november. thanks to all for the information and many > > hours of enjoyment reading about modeling and wwI (and including weird > > tidbits like where "tommy atkins" came from). > > > > phillip anz-meador > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:59:38 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <34BFD84A.1400@conted.gatech.edu> Bob, > I have done a profile of this aircraft in the purple scheme. Although I > would like it to have been black, when Jon Guttman and Greg Vanwyngarden > viewed it they commented that purple is readily made from blue and red, so > purple is a possibility. All references I have seen suggest pruple overall > with white and red comet. The crosses are in revese colour as well. If you > would like a copy let me know. I had a conversation (or it could have been via correspondence) with Greg V. in which he opined that this a/c was probably black. This opinion was in aprt based on vB.'s being shot down in a black D.V. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:07:53 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <00075355956064@KAIEN.COM> Carlos, I agree about it possibly being black, the profile was based on what I read at the time I did it back in 1989. However I haven't seen any reference on it suggesting black. Does anyone have Dan Abbotts drawing of this aircraft (does he have one?) ? One other reason is the white/red comet would show up so much better on a black fuselage, or a black/white comet on a purple fuselage, or a . . . . . Come on guys! lets get that time machine built and settle this (and Udet's D.VII - Hah I said those words again) once and for all :-) regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Carlos Valdes > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:57:14 -0500 > > Bob, > > > I have done a profile of this aircraft in the purple scheme. Although I > > would like it to have been black, when Jon Guttman and Greg Vanwyngarden > > viewed it they commented that purple is readily made from blue and red, so > > purple is a possibility. All references I have seen suggest pruple overall > > with white and red comet. The crosses are in revese colour as well. If you > > would like a copy let me know. > > I had a conversation (or it could have been via correspondence) with > Greg V. in which he opined that this a/c was probably black. This > opinion was in aprt based on vB.'s being shot down in a black D.V. > Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 05:50:43 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980118055043.006cbd5c@philonline.com.ph> Hi Bob, >I am the culprit for your Udet D.V appearing in the calender. Yeah, I thought so. :-) >I sent it to >Graham (after asking you for permission) many months ago. As I was unable to >open the calender images, what other aircraft are shown? I think your work is there as well as some from Scott Head's site, a few from the WWI Fighters Webpage. Of course, Graham would know better than I. Nice work Graham. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:55:58 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980118065558.006b47e8@philonline.com.ph> >I agree about it possibly being black, the profile was based on what I read >at the time I did it back in 1989. However I haven't seen any reference on >it suggesting black. Does anyone have Dan Abbotts drawing of this aircraft >(does he have one?) ? Yes, it's in the catalog: Js30-12 Ltn. Joachim von Bertrab Alb.D.III 21--/16 August 1917 ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:50:59 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: New Schiffer Fokker Dr.1 book Message-ID: <9680bc67.34c151f5@aol.com> Hi Dave Yup the Schiffer , is in English. Tranlated from the German version. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:03:56 EST From: TPT PUMPER To: wwi Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <6ffd46e9.34c154fe@aol.com> Hi Guys! I have DS Abbott's drawing of the von Bertrab D.III. He calls the fuselage black, the comet possibly yellow, and the crosses overpainted white (lighter border--black still visible through paint. Wings are red-brown/green over light blue. How could I help with the List Time Machine? We need to settle key issues: Udet's striper, Voss' Dr.I cowl, 425/17 red, and a few other explosive and List consuming items. Ready to dodge hurled invectives, I am still . . . Having Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:36:59 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <271e8574.34c15cbd@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-17 17:38:50 EST, you write: << I have found that getting "purple" as we may commonly know it (neither blue-violet or red-violet) is virtually impossible to obtain from mixing red & blue pigments together. At least not what most people would commonly accept as purple. You get a maroon hue, >> It is difficult.Most reds have a small amount of yellow in them and this kicks any attempt at purple over into the slighty brownish range.The ONLY red I've found that works is good ol' Polly S Fire Red. Almost any blue will work with this (provided there's no yellow in it!) Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:37:01 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: models and engines Message-ID: Hey Ernest- nice work.I'm going to memorize and ripoff your cowl burnishing method! Pretty honkin' fine engine photos too. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:37:00 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: JvBertrab's purple Albatross Message-ID: <2a4185f4.34c15cbf@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-17 20:05:04 EST, you write: << How could I help with the List Time Machine? We need to settle key issues: Udet's striper, Voss' Dr.I cowl, 425/17 red, and a few other explosive and List consuming items. Ready to dodge hurled invectives, I am still . . . Having Fun!! IRA >> Perhaps a trip in the Way-Back machine might help me solve Baumer's Alb DV- the Jasta 5 green tail with a dark fuselage and edelweis.Most sources show red- I say No No No- the dark portion is BLACK.I'd better be because I've done a 1/48 scratch build AND a painting showing it thusly! Robert (up to his knees in little sticks for the H-P 0/400 fuselage) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 851 *********************