WWI Digest 849 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Handley-Page 0/400-yes I have 108 by KarrArt 2) Re: Info on Pegasus Alb. W4 by Patrick Padovan 3) RE: WWI digest 848 (Proctor Albatros pricing) by "Denest, Michael J" 4) Poll Giant Triplane by Geoff Smith 5) Re: Poll Giant Triplane by Charles Hart 6) Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar by "Brad Gossen" 7) Re: Handley-Page 0/400 by Geoff Smith 8) Yipee! by Carlos Valdes 9) RE: Yipee! by Shane Weier 10) Re: RNAS 1912 - 18 by B-A-L 11) Re: Syndicate Required to buy rarish Harleyford books... by B-A-L 12) Re: Yipee! by B-A-L 13) Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar by rnrniles@2xtreme.net (Russell W Niles) 14) New Schiffer Fokker Dr.1 book by BStett3770 15) Handley-Page 0/400 by KarrArt 16) 1998 WW1 Calendar by "John Glaser" 17) Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar by "Gillian & Ray Boorman" 18) Re: New Schiffer Fokker Dr.1 book by Dave Watts 19) Ethnic Slurs by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 20) Re: Ethnic Slurs by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 21) Re: Poll Giant Triplane by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 22) Re: Handley-Page 0/400 by KarrArt 23) Engine drawings wanted by Bob Pearson 24) Re: Engine drawings wanted by Ernest Thomas 25) Latest FSM offering: GSM 1998 by mbittner@juno.com 26) D.VII Anthology by mbittner@juno.com 27) Re: Ethnic Slurs by "Sandy Adam" 28) ink jet printing on plastic by Joey Valenciano 29) Re: Latest FSM offering: GSM 1998 by Ernest Thomas 30) Re: Ethnic Slurs by Bob Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:46:39 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Handley-Page 0/400-yes I have 108 Message-ID: <5e4cc196.34be4b81@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-15 11:17:00 EST, you write: << Robert, I do have WW I Aero #108 if you need copies. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu >> Hello- I've just extracted #108 from some deep hiding place.I just know it was mocking me, probably eating a candy bar and chucking softly.It knew it contained a nice full-on shot of the instrument panel. Thanks Again Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:10:00 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Info on Pegasus Alb. W4 Message-ID: Dear Brian: I compared the Pegasus Alb.W4 w/ the Minidatafile plans, and it scaled out well. Wings, tailplanes, spinner and wheels were so close I'd call them right on the money, and the fuselage very nearly so (just a tiny bit narrow right behind the cockpit area). Guns, ear radiators, and a few other parts are in white metal. There is the usual very basic Pegasus cockpit. The plane is an early W.4 (ear radiators instead of wing radiators) BUT the floats are those which the datafile identifies as late type, so a slight discrepancy there. This can either be overlooked, or corrected with a bit of work. Decals and painting guide are for a natural linen/wood/and grey-green bird, with white background crosses, and no lozenge decals are included. I've cut mine from the sprue and started sanding (I know some people don't like the soft, buttery Pegasus plastic, but I love it. Very easy to work) but I haven't begun building yet. I hope this helps. Ciao! Patrick -------------------------------------------- --------------------------- Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Brian Nicklas wrote: > Does anyone have word/review of the Pegasus 1/72 Albatros W4 floatplane? > > PS - Tom Eisenhour stopped by for lunch yesterday, he was in Washington DC > for a meeting. He passes greetings to the list. > Brian > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:22:56 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WWI digest 848 (Proctor Albatros pricing) Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4019BD531@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com> The Fokker E-III plans carry a disclaimer that the plans should not be used to build a man carrying replica of any size. It specifically states that it has been engineered strictly as a model aircraft. What is the difference between a lawyer and a catfish? One is a bottom dwelling scum sucker.......the other is a fish. Mike > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:16:11 -0500 > From: Don RInker > To: wwi > Subject: Re: Pricing for D-Va > Message-ID: <34BDFE0B.49F7@fast.net> > > Patrick Padovan wrote: > > > > Dear Don: So, tell us the story? You can't just say, "Interesting > story > > in itself there. . . " and leave it at that, surely? What's the > dirt? > > Regards, Patrick > > > > Well, it's not all that exciting really. The Albatros D-V was a highly > anticipated kit from Proctor. Rumors swirled around for years as to if > it was really going to be done. Then in 1990, I think, it was > announced > that Ralph Beck was doing a prototype and plans. Ralph is a really > excellent designer, having previously done plans for a very authentic > Curtiss Jenny that Protor then kitted a few years later. > > So Proctor goes thru all the gear up to produce this kit, Ralph takes > the prototype all around the country ( even Demoed it at AERODROME 92) > and the magazines put the D-V on the cover. Protor spends thousands in > advertising. > Then it gets a little hazy. With little or no warning, Ralphs lawyer > sends a letter to Protor telling them he's withdrawhis copyright to > the > plans for the D-V AND the Jenny. I guess Protor was just producing > kits > under lisence and Beck retained the copyright. > His lawyer had convinced him he was setting himself up for a massive > liability suit if a Protor plane crashed and injured someone or > something. Soooooo... A few weeks later Proctor pulls the plans and no > more kits are shipped. > It's all too confusing, but you can bet the winner was the lawyer. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:29:59 -0500 From: Geoff Smith To: WWI List Subject: Poll Giant Triplane Message-ID: <199801151331_MC2-2F6C-BFB7@compuserve.com> Hi guys, Two things, firstly, today I visited the Aerospace Museum in Manchester a= nd saw a wheel. (So ?) This was a wooden wheel. (he's never seen a wooden wheel before?) This object was about 6 ft in diameter and had no tyre, in fact it didn't= have what I recognise as a rim. It was described as a "wheel from a Poll Giant Triplane". The staff told me it was recovered near Cologne from a pile of part built remains in 1919. They say the aircraft was 45.75m long= and 50.33m span and had 10 (TEN ?) engines, carried fuel for 80 hrs fligh= t and was planned to drop propaganda leaflets on New York. The German Navy had plans to use it as a bomber. I'm intrigued and would appreciate more info on this aircraft if anyone has any. Secondly, railway modellers are scanning plans and printing out the resul= ts direct onto plastic card. So you scratchers could draw up your own parts.= They reckon 15 thou is the thickest most printers will take though some will take 20. I haven't tried this but put this forward in case it may be= useful. BTW please don't try this at home on your laser printer, it could serious= ly damage your wealth, inkjets only. Sorry for the obvious but we've all don= e things we wish we'd thought about beforehand. (well I have) ; - ( Cheers, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:50:36 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Poll Giant Triplane Message-ID: >Hi guys, > >Two things, firstly, today I visited the Aerospace Museum in Manchester a= >nd >saw a wheel. (So ?) This was a wooden wheel. (he's never seen a wooden >wheel before?) > >This object was about 6 ft in diameter and had no tyre, in fact it didn't= > >have what I recognise as a rim. It was described as a "wheel from a Poll >Giant Triplane". The staff told me it was recovered near Cologne from a >pile of part built remains in 1919. They say the aircraft was 45.75m long= > >and 50.33m span and had 10 (TEN ?) engines, carried fuel for 80 hrs fligh= >t >and was planned to drop propaganda leaflets on New York. The German Navy >had plans to use it as a bomber. I'm intrigued and would appreciate more >info on this aircraft if anyone has any. The journal World War One Aeroplanes featured a painting of this machine on the cover of one issue 4 years ago or so. Nice painting, rolled copies of the cover (issue itself is OOP) are available for US$5.00 from WW I Aero. Their address is on the Web page for this list. I'll look in my copy of this issue and see what else I can find. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:20:53 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar Message-ID: <199801151924.OAA22192@smtp2.globalserve.net> Me also please. Thanks. Brad Gossen BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: David Randall (SMS) (Volt Computer) (Exchange)@pease1.sr.unh.edu > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: 1998 WW1 Calendar > Date: Thursday, January 15, 1998 8:46 AM > > I would like to receive a copy of the calendar too... > > > Dave Randall > a-davidr@microsoft.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:39:55 -0500 From: Geoff Smith To: WWI List Subject: Re: Handley-Page 0/400 Message-ID: <199801151440_MC2-2F6D-476F@compuserve.com> Graham wrote in response to Robert : >The most concentrated reference work must be >Handley Page Bombers of the First World War by Chaz Bowyer >(two copies available at full price from Foyle's in the UK) >but even this does not seem to have interior shots. Charles = >(Hart) can you confirm? Page 77 has a shot of pilot & gunner, taken from over the pilot's right shoulder. P.19 shows cockpit interior with part complete instrument board= and underside view of bomb cell arrangement and rear gunner's trapdoor an= d also the wing fold mech. This book was still available in remaindered boo= k shops in the UK 2 weeks ago. Price about 8.50GBP. HTH, Regards, Geoff BTW Last week happened to buy Windsocks 13/6 and 12/4, the latter because= it was the only back issue in the store. You can't get away from that Robert Karr bloke, can you? Seriously though, it's all brilliant stuff an= d if nothing else it's inspired me.................. towards suicide. : - )= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:22:35 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Yipee! Message-ID: <34BE8C2B.4377@conted.gatech.edu> I finally got my hanfs on the new D.VII special! Can't wait to digest it all. Is anyone familiar with the backgrounds of contributors Juanita Franzi, Dave Roberts, and Charles Schaedel? Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:41:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Yipee! Message-ID: <199801152252.IAA13801@mimmon.mim.com.au> Carlos, >Is anyone familiar with the backgrounds of contributors Juanita >Franzi, Dave Roberts, and Charles Schaedel? > > Charlie Schaedel is a long serving member of the Australian Society of WW1 Aero Historians resident in or near Adelaide, South Australia IIRC. He's author of a book "Men and machines of the Australian Flying Corps" and another on Albatros Fighters (not sure, it may be D.V only). There may be more. He's fairly well respected in the field. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:15:02 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: RNAS 1912 - 18 Message-ID: <34BF2516.2BBB@eis.net.au> Carlos Thanks !!! David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:30:50 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: Syndicate Required to buy rarish Harleyford books... Message-ID: <34BF28CA.22F9@eis.net.au> Graham, Any chance of getting me grubbys on the Marine A/ c Harleyford Price, at $us41 sounds fine to me DAVID R.L. LAWS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:49:34 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: Yipee! Message-ID: <34BF2D2E.6A59@eis.net.au> Carlos, Don't know about the others but Charles Schaedel is one of the venerables - About the same vintage as Harry Woodman - He lives in Adelaide, South Australia and has a quite encylopaedic knowledge of real flying machines VIZ anything pre c.1945 Like Harry Woodman he is very much a gentleman " of the old school " and wonderfully generous with information from his extensive collection of material... He'd be right at home on this List I am corresponding with him now in relation to a project - I haven't thought to ask if he's on line but will attempt to seduce him onto the list if he is !!! David ( R.L. Laws ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:43:00 -0800 From: rnrniles@2xtreme.net (Russell W Niles) To: wwi Subject: Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar Message-ID: <19980116004258772.AAA304@97.usr3.2xtreme.net> I too would like to receive a copy of the calendar. thanks in advance. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 rnrniles@2xtreme.net Too close for missles....switching to guns. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:12:33 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: New Schiffer Fokker Dr.1 book Message-ID: <88a704d4.34beb403@aol.com> Hi Gang Just got the new Schiffer Fokker V5/Dr.I book. By Wolfgang Schuster & Achim Sven Engels. Just started to go through it. Good text, a few new photos, ( lots we have all seen before) only one color plate of Kempf 's Dr.1. No three views. a few drawings but not much detail drawings. But at $14.95 MSR well worth having if your a Dr-1 fan. 50 pages, 75 photos, Now for a plug, I got em in stock $ 13.49. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:02:50 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Handley-Page 0/400 Message-ID: <12916b2.34becddc@aol.com> Hello- 'tis me again.An article about the Airfix 0/400 in Scale Models International May 1984 refers to an article by Harry Woodman in the April/June 1969 U.S. IPMS Magazine concerning said airplane. Have any of you packrats out there kept all your old IPMS back issues?(he wrote with his heart full of hope) Thanks Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:09:39 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: "World War 1 Mail List" Subject: 1998 WW1 Calendar Message-ID: <19980116031516.AAA9732@johng> Graham: Please add me to the list for the calendar. Thanks. - John johnglaser@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:30:06 -0800 From: "Gillian & Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar Message-ID: <005c01bd2237$7ec30e60$077434d1@rayboorm> Can I have a copy of the calendar too. Thanks, Ray Boorman ( Gillian_Boorman@bc.sympatico.ca ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:36:03 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: Re: New Schiffer Fokker Dr.1 book Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980115233603.007c0180@192.168.0.5> At 08:36 PM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Gang > >Just got the new Schiffer Fokker V5/Dr.I book. > >By Wolfgang Schuster & Achim Sven Engels. > >Just started to go through it. Good text, a few new photos, ( lots we have all >seen before) only one color plate of Kempf 's Dr.1. No three views. a few >drawings but not >much detail drawings. > >But at $14.95 MSR well worth having if your a Dr-1 fan. >50 pages, 75 photos, > >Now for a plug, I got em in stock $ 13.49. > >Keep Modeling >Barry >Rosemont Hobby > For what it's worth, I got the book about a year ago, and Barry's right, it's worth having, if your into tripes. One thing that sticks out a little, is the fact that the accompanying drawings are quite obviously missing dimensions. Achim of course is peddling a set of drawings and information on the Dr.I, and the D.VII, and therefore is trying to wet your appetite. I know a number of the known authorities in the field, were upset with Achim's publication. One, I talked to said his original photo has a stain on it, and in Achim's pub, the same photo appears, with the same stain. Some of the photos do appear a little grainy, and others were scanned, so they are a bit pixilated, but sometimes you've got to have it anyway. Best Wishes Dave PS. About 2 years ago I sent Achim, "Fokker Team Schorndorf", some $$$ for a D.VII book, but received a letter saying the 1st edition was sold out, and an improved 2nd edition would be ready, "in the early days of 1997". Short of me contacting him, does anyone know the status of his work. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 1998 00:08:46 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Ethnic Slurs Message-ID: <88492735535060@bdsbbs.com> Hmm, the German Pride thread has reminded me of a question that's puzzled me for some time: In WWI the allies called the Germans "Boche" and "Huns" (as far as I know "Kraut" didn't come in until WWII), but what did the Germans call the various Allied nationalities? Also, my French dictionary simply defines "Boche" as a derogatory term for Germans. Can anyone elaborate on this further, does it have a specific meaning or reference? And what terms were used for various enemies on the other fronts? Brian RW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:15:55 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Ethnic Slurs Message-ID: <199801160515.AA13850@ednet1.orednet.org> Brian writes: -snips- > Also, my French dictionary simply defines "Boche" as a derogatory term >for Germans. Can anyone elaborate on this further, does it have a >specific meaning or reference? I believe it derives from the German word for "cabbage head" - perhaps Mick or one of the German speakers on the list can elucidate further as the precise word escapes me at present. The word referred either to the shape of the German helmets or the supposed intellegence of the Germans, or both. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:29:08 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Poll Giant Triplane Message-ID: <199801160529.AA19955@ednet1.orednet.org> Geoff writes: > >Hi guys, > >Two things, firstly, today I visited the Aerospace Museum in Manchester a= >nd >saw a wheel. (So ?) This was a wooden wheel. (he's never seen a wooden >wheel before?) > >This object was about 6 ft in diameter and had no tyre, in fact it didn't= > >have what I recognise as a rim. It was described as a "wheel from a Poll >Giant Triplane". The staff told me it was recovered near Cologne from a >pile of part built remains in 1919. They say the aircraft was 45.75m long= > >and 50.33m span and had 10 (TEN ?) engines, carried fuel for 80 hrs fligh= >t >and was planned to drop propaganda leaflets on New York. The German Navy >had plans to use it as a bomber. I'm intrigued and would appreciate more >info on this aircraft if anyone has any. >From the Bowers and McDowell book, "Triplanes": Mannesmann (Poll) Triplane This giant triplane seems to have been a dying gasp of the German Air Force. It was meant to carry leaflets across the Atlantic Ocean to drop on New York City. While the designer's name seems to be a bit of a mystery, it is believed that it was the work of Villehad Forssman who had worked previously for Siemens-Schuckert. The unfinished aircraft was discovered in a hanger after the Armistance by the Allied Control Commissions inspection team. A section of the plane and a wheel 8 feet in diameter where sent back to England for study. The span of the center wing was 165 ft (50.3 m); the top and bottom wing were of equal span but quite a bit smaller. It was to have tandem mounted engines - eight on the center wing and a pair on the lower wing. The fuselage was long and slender, mounted between the center wing directly above the engines on the lower wing. The fuselage was 150 ft (45.7 m) long. An eighty-hour flight endurance was planned (editorial comment: Wow!), and provision was made to carry such a load of fuel. The overall structure was heavy but extremely weak. No interal bracing cable was installed, and while it was covered with two layers of three-ply wood which made it as heavy as a boat, these did little to add strength. In addition, the ailerons were too small, the center of gravity way aft, and the elevators would have been ineffective. So, it is doubtful it would have flown if it had been completed. That's all they wrote: Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:12:28 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Handley-Page 0/400 Message-ID: <331d78eb.34befa4f@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-15 14:41:39 EST, you write: << Regards, Geoff BTW Last week happened to buy Windsocks 13/6 and 12/4, the latter because= it was the only back issue in the store. You can't get away from that Robert Karr bloke, can you? Seriously though, it's all brilliant stuff an= d if nothing else it's inspired me.................. towards suicide. : - )= >> Inspired suicide! Yes- grown men are weeping, policemen are turning in their badges..... oops- wrong comment genre. My real talent is for coining never-before heard obscenities.Any large project generates several new phrases.I expect the 0/400 to set a record. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:54:29 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Engine drawings wanted Message-ID: <06542939451765@KAIEN.COM> Greetings All, With the response that the Mercedes profiles have received so far I was wondering if anyone has drawings of other major engines of the period. My Database shows I have the following references containing GA drawings: THE EARLY SALMSON ENGINES Harry Woodman Engine, GA Drawing Salmson radials Windsock 10/1:24 =8CPAINT THE ENGINE MATT BLACK=B9 Various Engine, Camouflage and Markings 160hp Beardmore, 180hp BMW, 100hp Mercedes Windsock 11/5:RC =8CPAINT THE ENGINE MATT BLACK=B9 No2 Alberto Casirati/Gianni Casari Engine, Camouflage and Markings Colour photos of WW1 engines Windsock 11/6:FC WW1 ENGINES IN COLOUR Gianni Casari Engine Argus As.II, 210 Hp Benz in colour WIndsock 13/1:FC BEARDMORE 160hp GA drawing, Engine GA and photos of Beardmore 160 WW1 Aero 121:84 BENTLEY AR/BR ENGINES GA Drawings, Engine Bentley AR/BR.1 WW1 Aero 123:81 MAYBACH 160hp GA Drawing, Engine Maybach 160hp WW1 Aero 125: 82 ARGUS FLUGMOTOR 50hp Herbert K Seiser GA Drawing, Engine Argus 50hp WW1 Aero 126:83 ENGINES GA Drawing, engine Clerget 200hp 11Eb, Curtiss OX5, BMW IIIa WW= 1 Aero 129: 72 ENGINES #10 - LeRHONE 80hp Dick Barton GA Drawing, Engine 80hp LeRhone WW1 Aero 130:70 ROLLS-ROYCE FALCON Dick BArton GA Drawing, engine Rolls-Royce Falcon WW1 Aero 134:106 ROLLS-ROYCE EAGLE Dick barton GA Drawing, engine Rolls-Royce Eagle WW1 Aero 135:98 ROLLS-ROYCE CONDOR Dick Barton GA Drawing, Engine Rols-Royce Condor WW1 Aero 136:112 ARGUS 50hp Herbie Seiser GA Drawing, engine Argus 50hp WW1 Aero 138:100 NAPIER LION Dick Barton GA Drawing, Engine Napier Lion 450hp WW1 Aero 138:98 SUNBEAM ENGINES Dick BArton GA DRawings, Engines Sunbeam Cossack, Maori, Dyak, Manitou WW1 Aero 140:74 CURTISS OX-5-A GA Drawing, engine Curtiss OX-5-A WW1 Aero 140:87 OBERURSEL UR2/3 GA Drawing, Engine Oberursel UR2, UR3 WW1 Aero 140:88 LESS COMMON GERMAN ENGINES GA Drawings, Engines 240hp Mercedes, 240 hp Maybach WW1 Aero 141:88 CURTISS 6-60 ENGINE GA Drawing, Engine Curtiss 6-60 WW1 Aero 141:89 SIDDELEY PUMA Dick Barton GA Drawing, Engine Siddeley Puma WW1 Aero 143:78 LERHONE DRAWINGS GA Drawing, Engine 80hp LeRhone, 110hp LeRhone WW1 Aer= o 144:106 LIBERTY INSTALLATION IN DH4 GA Drawing, Engine deHavilland DH4 German drawing of Liberty installation WW1 Aero 145: 92 AUSTRO-DAIMLER Koloman Mayrhofer GA Drawing, Engine Austro-Daimler engin= e for Alb D.III(Oef) WW1 Aero 145:107 GOEBEL GOE.II ENGINE GA Drawing, Engine Goebel Goe.II WW1 Aero 149:104 ENEMY ENGINES IN ITALIAN SERVICE Frederico Filippi GA Drawings, Engines Mercedes D.I/FIAT A.10 WW1 Aero 151:47 WOLSELEY ADDER / LIBERTY Dick Barton GA Drawings, Engine Wolseley Adder, Liberty V-12 WW1 Aero 155:66 If anyone has any that they can add to this I would be extremely grateful. At present I still need a good GA of a PUMA, RAF 3a, RAF 4a. Actually any that aren't on this list (and some that are) regards, Bob Pearson nl: Lulu -From Crayons to Perfume np: RAF BE12 (got the Datafile yesterday) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:14:03 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Engine drawings wanted Message-ID: <34BF08BB.4449@bellsouth.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > Greetings All, > > With the response that the Mercedes profiles have received so far I was > wondering if anyone has drawings of other major engines of the period. My > Database shows I have the following references containing GA drawings: > >Hey Bob, I don't have any drawings of engines, only photos. But could I beg you to send me a copy of those Curtiss OX-5 drawings. Would be most grateful. Ernest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:47:14 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Latest FSM offering: GSM 1998 Message-ID: <19980116.045707.14278.3.mbittner@juno.com> I've been meaning to post this for awhile. I picked up the latest greed effort from FSM: Great Scale Modeling 1998. Not a lot of WW1 content, but it does include a great photo of Mr. Hustad's WW1 Trench Diorama, "Gorilla's in the Mist". This is a different dio than appeared in FSM a few months back. There is also a picture of a well done huge scale (1/28th) Revell SPAD XIII. Other pictures as well. The main reason why I picked it up, though, is for the article on our club's effort: diorama's of the Martin Bomber plant here, in Omaha, in WW2 (plug plug). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:43:54 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: D.VII Anthology Message-ID: <19980116.045707.14278.2.mbittner@juno.com> Mine arrived last weekend. Am only now getting to a general review. Wow. Besides the obvious text problems, this is a beaut. With the revised GA drawings as well as the computer generated cockpit drawings, this is an awesome tome. The color plates are good, and the Jasta section done up by Greg VW is wonderful (note: some of the photo's in this book come from the ex-Ferko/Texas collection). If you like the Fokker D.VII, this book is a must. I honestly don't see how you can model without it! (Ok, maybe so, but it would be easier having this book, since it's a "one source shop".) The next volume should be just as awesome (minus the computer cockpit, of course); however, I wonder about volume 3. Hopefully (personal opinion here, folks) it won't concentrate too heavily on post war use. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:54:44 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Ethnic Slurs Message-ID: <199801161058.KAA25483@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > Also, my French dictionary simply defines "Boche" as a derogatory term > >for Germans. Can anyone elaborate on this further, does it have a > >specific meaning or reference? > > I believe it derives from the German word for "cabbage head" - > perhaps Mick or one of the German speakers on the list can > elucidate further as the precise word escapes me at present. > Bill Shatzer The later WW2 term "Kraut" derives from the traditional German habit of serving cabbage (kraut) with just about everything, usually as a cooked savoury (Sauerkraut). Thus Germans became "Krauts" pejoratively. "Boche" derives from "alboche" a slang contraction of allemand (German) caboche (pate or head). The Everyman soldier in England was Tommy Atkins and thus british troops from the Somme to Tobruk became "Tommies" to us and "Tommi" to the Germans. A French soldier was a "Poilu" which means hairy or shaggy for obvious reasons. (Poil = "hair") Rien du tout Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:59:12 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: ink jet printing on plastic Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980116185912.006c5320@philonline.com.ph> >Railway modellers are scanning plans and printing out the results >direct onto plastic card. So you scratchers could draw up your own parts. > >They reckon 15 thou is the thickest most printers will take though some >will take 20. I haven't tried this but put this forward in case it may be >useful. > >BTW please don't try this at home on your laser printer, it could >seriously damage your wealth, inkjets only. Anyone try this yet? Won't the ink run? How'd the railway modellers do it? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:08:27 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest FSM offering: GSM 1998 Message-ID: <34BF77EB.29EC@bellsouth.net> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > I've been meaning to post this for awhile. I picked up the latest greed > effort from FSM: Great Scale Modeling 1998. Not a lot of WW1 content, > but it does include a great photo of Mr. Hustad's WW1 Trench Diorama, > "Gorilla's in the Mist". This is a different dio than appeared in FSM a > few months back. > > There is also a picture of a well done huge scale (1/28th) Revell SPAD > XIII. Other pictures as well. > > The main reason why I picked it up, though, is for the article on our > club's effort: diorama's of the Martin Bomber plant here, in Omaha, in > WW2 (plug plug). > > Matt Bittner Hey Matt, Ernest here. FSM took pictures of my black & yellow DR-I at the nats. I was wondering if it made it into that issue? Can you tell me? E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:48:43 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Ethnic Slurs Message-ID: <15484320652546@KAIEN.COM> How many are aware of where "Tommy Atkins' comes from. When the British army was standardizing forms in the mid-1800s. Wellington was asked what name to use as an example on the various forms - he immediately recalled a dying soldier back in the Peninsular Wars who said "that it was all in a days work' (or words to that effect) and replied "Tommy Atkins". regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "Sandy Adam" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Ethnic Slurs > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:15:47 -0500 > > > > > Also, my French dictionary simply defines "Boche" as a derogatory term > > >for Germans. Can anyone elaborate on this further, does it have a > > >specific meaning or reference? > > > > I believe it derives from the German word for "cabbage head" - > > perhaps Mick or one of the German speakers on the list can > > elucidate further as the precise word escapes me at present. > > Bill Shatzer > > The later WW2 term "Kraut" derives from the traditional German habit of > serving cabbage (kraut) with just about everything, usually as a cooked > savoury (Sauerkraut). Thus Germans became "Krauts" pejoratively. > > "Boche" derives from "alboche" a slang contraction of allemand (German) > caboche (pate or head). > > The Everyman soldier in England was Tommy Atkins and thus british troops > from the Somme to Tobruk became "Tommies" to us and "Tommi" to the Germans. > A French soldier was a "Poilu" which means hairy or shaggy for obvious > reasons. (Poil = "hair") > Rien du tout > Sandy > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 849 *********************