WWI Digest 847 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: wise owl e-mail by Alberto Rada 2) Pricing for D-Va by Don RInker 3) Re: 160hp Mercedes D.III by Geoff Smith 4) Re: Pricing for D-Va by Charles Hart 5) Re: Pricing for D-Va by djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) 6) Koku-Fan by vedrank@pro1.sjever.fsb.hr (Vedran Kalamiza) 7) Re: Pricing for D-Va by Patrick Padovan 8) Airfix Mk.1 Tank by Charles Hart 9) Re: Airfix Mk.1 Tank by Bill Bacon 10) Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar by "Alexandre " 11) Re: Koku-Fan by Jesse Thorn 12) Re: Italian/Austrian markings - was Smer Ansaldo by Matthew Zivich 13) Re: New Products by "Brad Gossen" 14) Re: by Franco Poloni 15) Re: Italian/Austrian markings - was Smer Ansaldo by Patrick Padovan 16) Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar by Joey Valenciano 17) Back On-Line by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 18) Re: 160hp Mercedes D.III by "CHARLES JOHNSON" 19) Re: Rumpler C.III by BStett3770 20) Re: Ray Brooks' -Question by BStett3770 21) Re: New Products by Carlos Valdes 22) Re: New Products by Ernest Thomas 23) Re: German pride by Dave Watts 24) Re: 180hp Mercedes D.IIIa by Dave Watts 25) Re: RNAS 1912 - 18 by B-A-L 26) Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar by "Scott M. Head" 27) Handley-Page 0/400 by KarrArt 28) Re: RNAS 1912 - 18 by Carlos Valdes 29) Re: Jan/Feb98 Calendar by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 30) Re: Handley-Page 0/400 by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:20:44 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: wise owl e-mail Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980114152044.006e4fa8@pop.true.net> Hi Franco wiseowl@sprintmail.com Saludos Alberto At 10:09 AM 14-01-98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all >can somebody give me the e-mail address of Wise Owl Worldwide Publications? >Thanks > Franco > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:49:56 -0500 From: Don RInker To: wwi Subject: Pricing for D-Va Message-ID: <34BD16E4.5C8A@fast.net> I might have a line on a PROCTOR Albatros D-Va new in the box. What was the retail price before they were discontinued, and what do you think a fair price would be for one today? For the uneducated this is a quarter scale No not 1/48th.... 3"-1'-0) model that Proctor sold for a few years before the designer got scared into withdrawing permisssion to use the plans on the advice of some Shilock lawyer. ( Interested story in itself there) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:29:52 -0500 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: 160hp Mercedes D.III Message-ID: <199801141431_MC2-2F4F-8228@compuserve.com> >Anyone wanting a copy, drop me a line, the file size is 112k. Bob, I'd like one please. Regards, Geoff PS since I've just read about the D.IIIa, could I trouble you for that as= well? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:00:08 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Pricing for D-Va Message-ID: >I might have a line on a PROCTOR Albatros D-Va new in the box. > >What was the retail price before they were discontinued, and what do you >think a fair price would be for one today? > >For the uneducated this is a quarter scale No not 1/48th.... 3"-1'-0) >model that Proctor sold for a few years before the designer got >scared into withdrawing permisssion to use the plans on the advice of >some Shilock lawyer. ( Interested story in itself there) Chech some old issues of World War One Aero. Proctor has been advertising there for some time, though I can't directly recall seeing the price on the Albatros in one of their ads. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:00:32 -0600 (CST) From: djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) To: wwi Subject: Re: Pricing for D-Va Message-ID: <9801142000.AA28814@deimos.tx.iex.com> > I might have a line on a PROCTOR Albatros D-Va new in the box. They are a bit rare these days! Nice work. > What was the retail price before they were discontinued, and what do you > think a fair price would be for one today? Last I saw was $695. Depends. I think they are going to reissue this model. I believe they are doing their own and baseing it on the previous model. I know the Jenny will be back in production this year. Anyway, if it was me I would offer $695 for it and go from there! > For the uneducated this is a quarter scale No not 1/48th.... 3"-1'-0) > model that Proctor sold for a few years before the designer got > scared into withdrawing permisssion to use the plans on the advice of > some Shilock lawyer. ( Interested story in itself there) > Yes it is. Damn lawyers. I wonder if Proctor has been bought out yet? Doug -- ------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:22:30 +0100 From: vedrank@pro1.sjever.fsb.hr (Vedran Kalamiza) To: wwi Subject: Koku-Fan Message-ID: <199801142022.VAA00336@pro7.sjever.fsb.hr> I heard that one can find translations of Koku-Fan FAOW and Model Art books on the net. Anybody knows more? Vedran Kalamiza vedrank@sjever.fsb.hr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:33:06 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pricing for D-Va Message-ID: Dear Don: So, tell us the story? You can't just say, "Interesting story in itself there. . . " and leave it at that, surely? What's the dirt? Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Don RInker wrote: > I might have a line on a PROCTOR Albatros D-Va new in the box. > > What was the retail price before they were discontinued, and what do you > think a fair price would be for one today? > > For the uneducated this is a quarter scale No not 1/48th.... 3"-1'-0) > model that Proctor sold for a few years before the designer got > scared into withdrawing permisssion to use the plans on the advice of > some Shilock lawyer. ( Interested story in itself there) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:30:34 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Airfix Mk.1 Tank Message-ID: Greetings All, Can anyone out there give me some idea when the Airfix kit of the 1916 Mk. 1 tank was last in production ? Thanks Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:42:19 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix Mk.1 Tank Message-ID: <34BD232B.D0158A1@netjava.net> Charles, It must still be in production as I got one from Squadron a month or two ago. Comes in a neat new box as opposed to the plastic bag of years ago. Not as cheap either. Cheers, Bill B. Charles Hart wrote: > Greetings All, > > Can anyone out there give me some idea when the Airfix kit of the 1916 > Mk. 1 tank was last in production ? > > Thanks > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:04:39 -0200 From: "Alexandre " To: Subject: Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar Message-ID: <199801142104.VAA01415@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br> Hi Graham ! I'd like to receive it as a JPG's files. Thanks in advance ! Best regards, Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br ---------- > De: Graham Nash > Para: Multiple recipients of list > Assunto: 1998 WW1 Calendar > Data: Quarta-feira, 14 de Janeiro de 1998 15:34 > > Due to unprecdented demand (well actually Matthew Bittner said 'Why > not?') the 1998 calendar is available upon request. > > I have used profiles or pictures provided by other list members, > although I have not sought their express permission. Hopefully no-one > will mind, but please accept my apologies straight away. It is not my > intention to plagarise their excellent work or breach their copyright. > If there are any problems, I will happily remove the offending item. > > It will be available as a series of six jpgs or a 1.1meg zip file. Let > me know which you would like. > > Alan, would you like a copy for the site, copyright allowing? > > Rgds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:31:59 -0400 From: Jesse Thorn To: wwi Subject: Re: Koku-Fan Message-ID: I think I saw these at the Aviation Usk website >I heard that one can find translations of Koku-Fan FAOW and Model Art >books on >the net. >Anybody knows more? > >Vedran Kalamiza > > vedrank@sjever.fsb.hr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:17:09 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Italian/Austrian markings - was Smer Ansaldo Message-ID: Patrick, I'm a little confused by the references made to inboard national markings in the last few messages on this subject. When I initially mentioned Italian roundels on the SVA-5 I meant the diameter of the circle that did not extend from wing leading edge back to trailing edge, but stopped at the aileron. Placing the roundel inboard like some Jennies, SE-5's, etc. was an issue I've never noticed occuring on the Ital. aircraft I've ever seen. As I understand though, it was an earmark of A/H aircraft though perhaps not as far inboard. Wasn't that placement remarkable for differentiating A/H craft from Imp. German craft, generally speaking? I think we agree on some issues of nat. markings though. I'm still amazed at the similarities of the underwing blocks of color instead of symbols by the adversaries in this case. Though one of the members offered a very plausible explanation for ready identification based on placement (you expect to see it there), the fact is colors or hues lose their identity at a distance, called atmospheric perspective, therefore the red/green & the red/red hues would appear a similar shade of grey at a distance. Maybe that's why both sides eventually changed to symbols. Matt Z. On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Patrick Padovan wrote: > Dear Matt: The Italian use of underwing tri-color was also standard issue > on their Macchi-Nieuport 11s, to name another a/c type widely used on > this front. On the A/H side, the red/white/red wingtip stripes could be > found on Lohner flying boats and Phonix fighters in AH naval use, among > others. Hope this helps! > Ciao, Patrick > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Patrick Padovan > Interlibrary Loan Associate > > Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 > 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 > Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Matthew Zivich wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Sandy Adam wrote: > > > > > Or am I reading WAY too much into this, and talking complete drivel? > > > > Regards, Patrick > > > > > > Yes Patrick I think you are. > > > > > > There are a few similarities on some aircraft, which is as far as it goes. > > > But there are also many dissimilarities. > > > Some Italian aircraft had one under-wing tip red and the other green > > > instead of applying roundels. Thus the whole undersurface became > > > effectively a tricolore (but with CDL rather than white.) > > > Some Austrian aircraft applied red/white/red stripes on upper- and > > > lower-wing tips so you had in effect four separate flags at the extremity > > > of each wing. Not one big flag. > > > Also these were applied in addition to national markings, whereas the > > > Italian underwing colours were in place of them. > > > Its worth remembering that several French and British aircraft applied > > > red/white/blue stripes to upper and/or lower elevators. Nungesser of course > > > applied them across the wings too. > > > > > > As for the markings being applied inboard of the elevators, this is hardly > > > peculiar to the Austro-Italian front as it was standard practice on a great > > > number of British aircraft, most commonly on SEs. Look at McCudden's plane > > > or the "Zanzibar" FE2b. Come to think of it, it was also standard practice > > > on a great number of American aircraft too. I don't think too many Jennies > > > flew combat missions over the Piave, but you may be able to correct me on > > > that. > > > Also plenty of Italian (and Austrian) aircraft did cover elevators with > > > national markings. > > > > > > As for the sponged/speckled camouflage, out of all the variety of colour > > > schemes applied by the Austrians and Italians two have a slight degree of > > > similarity - but so many do not. And with other types of speckled camoulage > > > on each side which the other did not use. (Autumn Leaf etc). Also other > > > nationalities used speckles (Halberstadt Cl.II). > > > > > > So the stripes are not the same, the positioning is commonplace and the > > > camouflage is not that similar either. No on a matching scale of 1 to 100, > > > I'd say we are in the decimal point area: on the talking drivel scale > > > though..... > > > Sandy > > > > > O.K. I'm convinced, I guess. I am left with this summary of sorts. I am > > aware of underwing national colors near the outer edges of lower & upper > > wings on the Ansaldo SVA-5 and perhaps one or two others I can't name. I > > am aware that the Its. immediate adversaries, the A/H's used a similar > > marking in similar positions on the wings of certain aircraft that too I > > cannot identify at this time. I understand that no other > > adversaries used aforementioned markings that seem to be totally unique > > to the Ital. & Aus-Hun. aircrafts regardless of amounts involved. Large > > numbers of other markings, etc. by either side do not negate the lone > > occurances that appear no where else at that time. > > > > The same is true of the splotched camouflage according to my limited to > > be sure, observations. The Halb. had a stippled pattern on the fuselage > > that lost distinction beyond a short distance because of the scale of the > > marks. The splotched camouflage maintained distinction at a greater > > distance and was shared by the Ital. & A/H's on the wings of the Caproni > > bombers & SVA aircraft and on greater parts of the Alb. Oeffag's > > including but not restricted to the wings. (Both sides used CDL on the > > undersides, now didn't they?) This may indeed be true of only a small % > > of either sides' aircraft, but it seems unique to these particular > > combatants in view of the whole war. > > > > Your serve, > > > > Matt Z > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:33:25 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: New Products Message-ID: <199801142237.RAA24328@smtp2.globalserve.net> No that was actually Roy Brown hedge-hopping, eh! Brad ---------- > From: Patrick Padovan > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: New Products > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 1:50 PM > > Gentlemen: Wasn't Sgt. Popkin's MG set up on the grassy knoll? > Ciao, Patrick > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Patrick Padovan > Interlibrary Loan Associate > > Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 > 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 > Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:17:35 GMT From: Franco Poloni To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: <199801121017.KAA07550@lo.itline.it> At 12.15 14/01/98 -0500, you wrote: > >> It appears that I will ve visiting Italy (Rome and north) in May. Are >> there any museums with WWI aircraft that are worth seeing?? >> thank you >> pfed > Hi Peter Well, near Rome, there is the Italian Air Force Museum, at Vigna di Valle, near Bracciano Lake, but I think is closed for maintenance,is better you check before, at north, in Milan, there is the Museo della scienza e dell'aeronautica,(science and aeronautical museum), with, if I remember, an original rudder from an Aviatik Berg d1, going to the east, you can go to the Vittoriale, D'Annunzio private estate, then , take a trip to the Caproni Museum in Trento, which is, unfortunately, open only on weekends. Never saw this museum, but I'm planning to go next month, and I will let you know what you can find. Franco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:48:57 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Italian/Austrian markings - was Smer Ansaldo Message-ID: Dear Matt: I think your remarks on atmospheric perspective are right on the money. Ditto, re the use of the term inboard with regard to national markings. I should have differentiated between the inboard crosses of AH a/c, and the small roundels that did not extend to ailerons on Italian a/c, although most of the photos I've seen also show the Italian a/c to have their roundels placed further inboard (as opposed to the wingtip) than was the norm on French and British a/c. Although I've seen some photos of AH a/c with larger crosses, the norm was smaller, un-outlined crosses on A/H a/c, although this too changed when AH adapted the Balkan cross in the last year of the war. In the long run, of course, exceptions can always be found to any markings rule or official decree. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:52:33 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980115045233.006bf4d0@philonline.com.ph> >It will be available as a series of six jpgs or a 1.1meg zip file. Let >me know which you would like. Hi Graham, thanks for the first one. I'd like the rest in .jpgs Thanks ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:56:07 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Back On-Line Message-ID: <199801142313.SAA20169@pease1.sr.unh.edu> After spending the last 2 days without ANY e-mail due to a hard drive crash on our Sun e-mail server, I am finally up and running again. I hope your messages weren't bounced back to the list because of this--if so, I apologize. Can't even blame Bill Gates for this one! Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:53:00 -0500 From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" To: Subject: Re: 160hp Mercedes D.III Message-ID: <19980114235620.AAA29014@default> Bob i would like a copy of it also TIA Chas. ---------- > From: Bob Pearson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: 160hp Mercedes D.III > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 2:32 PM > > > Greetings All, > > I have just completed a computer profile of the 160hp Mercedes D.III engine, > using the old Wylam drawings as a basis. My head hurts when I try to work > out what the present scale is, but when reduced to 16.6% it becomes 1/48 > scale. Anyone wanting a copy, drop me a line, the file size is 112k. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:49:18 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: Rumpler C.III Message-ID: <2a3b509e.34bd5d10@aol.com> Hi Matt The Reference Source Guide to Military Aeroplanes 1914-1918 shows the following Bombers 1914-18 - Harleyford German A/C WW1 Putnum Not much else, Per the Putnum book The CIII differed little form the CIV, the chief differances were the comma rudder and large angular balances on the ailerons. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:08:01 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: Ray Brooks' -Question Message-ID: Hi John Thanks What I'm after is which a/C Brooks was flying when he had the fight with the 8 Fokkers on Sept 14,1918. and landed at the emergency field. This A/c was then writen off as unrepairable. after more reading I believe this was the Spad 13 -#0 Any one else have any thoughts? Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:34:58 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: New Products Message-ID: <34BC86C2.1FD1@conted.gatech.edu> Ernest, Can you comment on the quality of these figures? Have you seen other, earlier sets from this source? Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:14:18 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: New Products Message-ID: <34BD70FA.39A@bellsouth.net> Carlos Valdes wrote: > > Ernest, > Can you comment on the quality of these figures? Have you seen other, > earlier sets from this source? > Carlos Carlos, Unfortunately, No. They are listed in the Feb. FSM but are not pictured. I plan to order some soon, maybe next week. When I get them, I'll post a review. Until then, Happy Modeling. Ernest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:08:05 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: Re: German pride Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980114210805.007c1e90@192.168.0.5> Patrick writes: >Dear Dave: The original order banning the display of the swastika "and >other Fascist symbols (!)" dates back to the period of occupation in the >immediate postwar period, in both Germany and Japan, as well as Italy. >It is quite rational and sensible that displaying the symbols of these >recently defeated regimes would be outlawed. >Patrick Padovan > Couple of last comments, on one of my earlier trips to Germany in 1983, Commemorating 50 years of Hitler coming to power. Book stores prominently displayed books with printed Nazi flag covers, in the store windows, with full size Nazi flag posters showcasing the books. So they must have freedom of press that allows it. Another trip some years after, I saw a T-shirt in a music store that had on the front "Hitler, The World Tour", then on the back it had cities, and countries listed with dates, (as they were conquered), Warsaw, Paris, etc., then it listed cities such as London, Moscow, etc. and said cancelled, cancelled, etc. Some may say funny, others not funny. I was just surprised to see it. Last question/observation on this subject, while talking to one of my German fellow enthusiasts, I asked him, since I am poor at the German language, Would a redhead in German be a "rotkauf" (sic), and he replied, "Yes". Then I asked what do you call a brunet? He said, "Vas is das "brunet"? I said, "You know like my hair, or no, more like your hair.", his hair being medium to dark brunet. He said, "My hair?, It's dark blonde!" I said, That's B.S.!", but he contended he was not kidding. Sorry to ask, but can anyone confirm this? Turning the corner back to airplane reality, but transitioning smoothly, I was fortunate to have visited the "Museum of Astronautics", (sic), in Krakow, Poland, while gathering information on the Roland D.VIb. It actually took several trips to get in to see the airplanes. After a couple bottles of Vodka, they let me get to the aircraft. I was a bit taken back when I saw the fuselage of the Roland, stacked on top of a Albatros B.II, another bottle of Vodka traded hands, and a fork lift from down the way, came in and lifted it off, and set it on the floor. I got some super good documentation, quite a bit different from Kiger's or Abbott's plans. A good thing to, they restored the aircraft already, and used Kiger's plans as a guide! The plane looks good though. When talking to the Berlin Museum people, they have said, "The Roland will be here, in Berlin, in 3 months.", that was 10 years ago, and they still don't have it. When I talked to the folks at the Krakow museum they said, "You know what they did to us in the var (war), we will make these to fire before they (Germany) gets them!" I must think that's the Vodka talking, and I know Berlin has gotten some aircraft back already, but it made me realize, that they have not, and will not, forget W.W.II. I know with the new unified Europe, they (Germany) is negotiating with many countries, to get back, and give back, "war booty". That'll take about a 100 years to settle, and by then they'll have had another war, (I hope not). Last thing, (it pertains to WWI), I looked extensively into doing family name searches in Germany, for example, to contact descendants of Fokker factory test pilots, to see if they may have photos, albums, etc. from that period, not so much to buy, just to unearth and diffuse the information. Things are starting to tighten up in the U.S. concerning public access to private information, well, it's nothing like as tight as it is in Germany, concerning privacy rights. Unfortunately there is no chance to do searches. As a matter of fact, when I was in the Deutches museum in April, I had brought large laser copies of photos from a Fokker test pilot's album. I offered them for free, as a goodwill gesture, knowing they couldn't already have copies of them. He was thankful, and selected only a few, and not the ones I thought he would've selected, I asked why he didn't take all, he said with the new privacy laws passed, he could not accept photos with the main subject being pilots or other people, only photos with aircraft by themselves. This new law is going to put a crimp in material you will be able to give or get at German museums. Hopefully they'll modify the law, but I doubt it. It probably gets back to the fear of Nazi skeletons in the closet. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:09:00 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: Re: 180hp Mercedes D.IIIa Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980114220900.007ea480@192.168.0.5> At 04:05 AM 1/14/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Greetings All, > >Well the 160hp Mercedes turned out so well I had to do the 180hp D.IIIa, so >anyone who wants this as well let me know. . . . Hmmm, perhaps an engine >profile page would be in order . . . . Al? > >Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Hi Bob, Hey, I'd love to have one. By the way I'm kinda a D.IIIa nut, if you want any particular particulars, such as when did the air pump change from vertical single, to large vertical single, to horizontal double, I can help ya. I've got a project going, that led to me digging into the archives at Daimler-Benz in Stuttgart. What amazed me is they have all the records for every motor they manufactured.....ever! If you're into cars, they can tell you, this motor was built for this race car on July 10th, 1906, the client cancelled, then the car was sold to a Mr. Vanderbilt in the U.S. of A. for x amount of dollars, and on and on, it's amazing. The good part, (and from speaking to Peter Grosz, Dan Abbott, Alex Imrie, etc., weren't aware), they have the delivery log books of every aircraft motor they made, along with the signed army commission books quoting how much they would be paid for each motor, and how many motors they delivered. In brief, I copied every journal entry of every delivery made to "Fokker-Schwerin", there were a few. This allowed me to compare the army/Fokker acceptance sheets with the Daimler delivery logs, and get a clearer picture of the Fokker D.VII production in many ways. Unfortunately, March and April's army/Fokker acceptance sheets have been lost over time, and this is where my primary interest lies. Only the first 24-27 (approx.) D.VII's were accepted in March/April. Does anyone know of a photograph of any of the following D.VII's. 233/18 234/18 235/18 236/18 237/18 238/18 240/18 243/18 245/18 248/18 249/18 252/18 253/18 256/18 Or if anyone could find any Fok. D.VII captured/interned reports with motor number, MN.37400 BN.711 , it would be most appreciated! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:46:30 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: RNAS 1912 - 18 Message-ID: <34BE1336.6C82@eis.net.au> Barry et al Anyone seen a new book ROAL NAVAL AIR SERVICE 1912 -18 Author Bradley King - Hikoki( publisher ) Looks promising but wiould like a bill of health on it - Any GAs or Plans ? Regards David ( Laws ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:37:50 -0600 From: "Scott M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: 1998 WW1 Calendar Message-ID: <9801142139.aa09321@mail.iapc.net> >Sure 'nuff- I'll take a calendar- 6 jpgs sounds good! >Robert Me too! I'd love to have one! Thanks in advance! Scott M. Head IPMS/Houston IPMS/USA 32841 smh@iapc.net IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum: http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:00:49 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Handley-Page 0/400 Message-ID: <13e6bd03.34bd89f3@aol.com> Well, now I've gone and done it! I've cut material for a 1/48 HP 0/400.Please humor me. I'm working from drawings by Colin Owers. They seem to be pretty accurate but not very detailed.Other sources include C&C GB v23 n3- from whence came the drawings; Aircraft Modelworld Feb 1988; 2 of the 4 page Willis Nye drawings( not too bad at all- I wish I had the other 2 pages); and bunch of photos scattered hither and yon in various books and mags. Anybody out there in list land got any amazing 0/400 stuff lurking about?.Especially ,as always, interior- the cockpit, bomb bay, engine cowl ? the usual detail stuff. Right now I've got enough to do the project but I'm afraid I'll miss some little doo-dad of a drain pipe or other whiz-phiggot. Oh yeah, a very basic question- were these darn things PC 10 over all? some sources say yes some say the usual CDL on the under sides. J. M. Bruce says it's doubtful if ANY plane saw combat in NIVO, so that's out. Thanks in advance Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:44:23 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: RNAS 1912 - 18 Message-ID: <34BCA517.63BF@conted.gatech.edu> David, I got this one: hardbound, 160 pages, 276 photos, 3 maps, 1 order of battle, 9 pages of profiles showing camo and markings (most in 1/72), 4 pages of color paintings, 1 color page of rank badges and insignia. All in all, a very good package. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:27:39 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Jan/Feb98 Calendar Message-ID: <34BD903B.5F6@ricochet.net> Graham Nash wrote: > > Would anyone who's asked for a calandar and not received it let me know Put the librarian down for one too. Thanks -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:29:39 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Handley-Page 0/400 Message-ID: <34BD90B3.52A0@ricochet.net> KarrArt wrote: > > Well, now I've gone and done it! I've cut material for a 1/48 HP 0/400.Please > humor me. I'm working from drawings by Colin Owers. They seem to be pretty > accurate but not very detailed.Other sources include C&C GB v23 n3- from > whence came the drawings; Aircraft Modelworld Feb 1988; 2 of the 4 page > Willis Nye drawings( not too bad at all- I wish I had the other 2 pages); and > bunch of photos scattered hither and yon in various books and mags. > Anybody out there in list land got any amazing 0/400 stuff lurking > about? Already got the Harleyford drawings? -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 847 *********************