WWI Digest 838 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Toko kits by "Sandy Adam" 2) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by John & Allison Cyganowski 3) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Ernest Thomas 4) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Ernest Thomas 5) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Charles Hart 6) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Ernest Thomas 7) Fw: WW1 aviation books by "Sandy Adam" 8) Re: Smer Ansaldo by Matthew Zivich 9) Re: Smer Ansaldo by Patrick Padovan 10) Re: Smer Ansaldo by Matthew Zivich 11) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Mick Fauchon 12) Nieuport B'eb'e by Mick Fauchon 13) Aircraft with Dual Controls by Eric Hotz 14) Re: Nieuport B'eb'e by mbittner@juno.com 15) Re: Aircraft with Dual Controls by Charles Hart 16) RE: Aircraft with Dual Controls by Shane Weier 17) Re: Nieuport B'eb'e by Mick Fauchon 18) RE: Aircraft with Dual Controls by Mick Fauchon 19) Re: Aircraft with Dual Controls by KarrArt 20) RE: Aircraft with Dual Controls by Shane Weier 21) New kit combo: Smer Sopwith Tripe vs. Albatros D.III by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 22) Re: Book info./LIst Library by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 23) Ansaldo Photocopy by Joey Valenciano 24) RE: Aircraft with Dual Controls by Bob Pearson 25) Re: New kit combo: Smer Sopwith Tripe vs. Albatros D.III by Carlos Valdes 26) Re: Ansaldo Photocopy by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:19:42 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Toko kits Message-ID: <199801081152.LAA21499@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > What are they going for, or did you notice? I've heard rumors that they > are absurdly overpriced (OK, I know a lot of you think there's no such > thing as an overpriced WWI kit). Hi Rio (!) Prices are all "TBA" I'm afraid but I seem to remember seeing the announcement in SAMI some time back that set them all at about the 10GBP mark? I may be wrong as its not my scale and I didn't store it away, but maybe somebody else has the back issue? BTW the latest SAMI shows three 1/72 WW1 russians from ICM? - probably more detail on the Russian web pages. Sandy (Alessandrio?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:11:30 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <34B4C271.2394@worldnet.att.net> Ernest Thomas wrote: > > > News to me. Which ones? And would you or anyone else know if the Eduard > N.17's ever actually made it to the shelf? I put one on back order back > in August I think. Never did get it, but never checked up on it either. > The Nieuports are supposed to be next, then the Albatros D.III. It is interesting that Silverbird shows artwork and lists Feb'98 as the release date for the D.III John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:54:04 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <34B4E88C.46F@bellsouth.net> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > > > The Nieuports are supposed to be next, then the Albatros D.III. It is > interesting that Silverbird shows artwork and lists Feb'98 as the > release date for the D.III > > John Cyg. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:15:19 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <34B4ED87.385@bellsouth.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > Hi Ernest, I assume you mean Italian roundels? - I saw some in a shop the > other day - think they were Blue Rider, but I haven't got source handy to > check. Don't know if there were any SVAs on it though. Sandy, > > No, I meant fuselage insignia. I Don't know anything about Italian insigia other than the roundels, but the examples I've seen look neat. . The Aeromaster SPAD set has Italian roundels, as well as Belgian. Don't know for certain if they're close enough in size, but they look like they should work. Thanks. L8R. Ernest. > ---------- > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:08:48 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: >Sandy Adam wrote: >> >> Hi Ernest, I assume you mean Italian roundels? - I saw some in a shop the >> other day - think they were Blue Rider, but I haven't got source handy to >> check. Don't know if there were any SVAs on it though. > >Sandy, >> >> No, I meant fuselage insignia. I Don't know anything about Italian >>insigia other than the roundels, but the examples I've seen look neat. . >>The Aeromaster SPAD set has Italian roundels, as well as Belgian. Don't >>know for certain if they're close enough in size, but they look like they >>should work. Thanks. L8R. > >Ernest. > Americal/Gryphon Sheet # 50 (US$6.50) features Italian cockades that are properly sized for the Smer/Artiplast SVA. Rudder stripe material is also included on this sheet, but unfortunately no serials or personal insignia are included. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:14:09 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <34B4FB51.7FE0@bellsouth.net> Charles Hart wrote: > > >Ernest. > > > Americal/Gryphon Sheet # 50 (US$6.50) features Italian cockades that are > properly sized for the Smer/Artiplast SVA. Rudder stripe material is also > included on this sheet, but unfortunately no serials or personal insignia > are included. > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu Rats! Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:36:56 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Fw: WW1 aviation books Message-ID: <199801081640.QAA29865@beryl.sol.co.uk> The book collectors may be interested in the following reply I received yesterday: Sandy > I only allow a small number of customers to view my stock on-line. However, > you'll find a goodly selection on: > http://www.clique.co.uk/cole/aviation.htm > > > ------------------------------------------ > Michael Cole > 7 Pulleyn Drive, York YO2 2DY, England > Tel: 01904 631752 Fax: 01904 651325 > cole@clique.co.uk > http://www.clique.co.uk/cole > ------------------------------------------ > AVIATION BOOKS: Historic and rare books on > powered flight published prior to 1940 > ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:56:30 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Smer Ansaldo Message-ID: My experience with the SMER Ansaldo was initially very frustrating. There was alot of warped plastic and the decals were not appropriate for my WWI interests. (An earlier attempt at the Pegasus 1/72 version lent some insight into Italian markings, etc.) Later I found a soft-cover profile (forgot the name)of the Ansaldos and that helped immensely. The diagrams were in 1/72 & 1/48 and loaded with detail that could be applied to the model. The SMER as mentioned by other members is not in 1/48 scale. Anyway, I redid the SVA-5 almost completely with much more appreciation of the model. Some interesting notes: there was some difference of opinion between my sources as to where the wings' underside national colors (red & green on opposite sides, no roundels) actually began. As I recall one source stated coloration from wing tip to first outer strut joint. The other called for wing tip inward to a certain spar near but beyond the strut joint. On the topsides it was interesting to note that the roundels did not extend to the outer limits fore & aft of the wing but stopped short aft at the aileron's edge. I found that unusual, since most WWI wing markings extend into the control surfaces on the wings. I also have since noticed some unusual coincidences between the SVA5 & its adversaries in the Aus\Hun air force. Both at times used national colors on wing markings rather than symbols. Both used a mottled earth colored camouflage pattern in some instances. Exhaust pipes were often straight pipes cantilevered from the engine, etc. Matt Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:36:42 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Smer Ansaldo Message-ID: Dear Matt: Yes! Excellent points, particularly the parallels between Italian and A.H. national markings. May I add, that A.H. crosses often did not extend to the, or were marked inboard of the, ailerons, also? just like Italian roundels you mentioned! Now, why these similarities between the adversaries on this front? Could it be that national markings often reflect deeper cultural ethos, and that particularly in this region, national boundaries often artifically seperate(d) ethnic groups which shared the same, or at least related, cultural backgrounds? Or am I reading WAY too much into this, and talking complete drivel? Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:31:42 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Smer Ansaldo Message-ID: Patrick, It does make one wonder. As you've pointed out other similarities, one wonders why the coincidences when the opposite should have been true. For clearer identity of opposing aircraft why would so many similarities exist when other options were known? Maybe there were regional styles that prevailed over logical distinctions. I recall also the many AH planes that had CDL undersides, a rarity amonst German planes, but common to Italian planes as well. (But of course the Germans were truly unique with their schemes in this case.) Matt Z On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Patrick Padovan wrote: > Dear Matt: Yes! Excellent points, particularly the parallels between > Italian and A.H. national markings. May I add, that A.H. crosses often did > not extend to the, or were marked inboard of the, ailerons, also? just > like Italian roundels you mentioned! Now, why these similarities between > the adversaries on this front? Could it be that national markings often > reflect deeper cultural ethos, and that particularly in this region, > national boundaries often artifically seperate(d) ethnic groups which > shared the same, or at least related, cultural backgrounds? Or am I > reading WAY too much into this, and talking complete drivel? > Regards, Patrick > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Patrick Padovan > Interlibrary Loan Associate > > Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 > 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 > Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:02:47 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: Ernest, > News to me. Which ones? The Nie.11, at least. I bought one last night......couldn't tell from the one I'm converting to a Nie.16, because I'd already worked on the wings. And would you or anyone else know if the Eduard > N.17's ever actually made it to the shelf? I put one on back order back > in August I think. Never did get it, but never checked up on it either. > I wasn't aware that Eduard was going to run one; the only other one I know of is the Blue Max....but I ain't that rich 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:17:17 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: WW1Av Subject: Nieuport B'eb'e Message-ID: Can any Nieuport buffs fill me in on the following for the Ne.11? Is the fuselage decking fwd of the cockpit polished aluminium, and does it extend back to about mid-point of the cockpit coaming? Is there a metal access panel underneath the fwd fuselage, aft of the engine, `a la Fok. DrI/DVIII? What colour are the undercarriage and centre-section struts? Varnished spruce? Aluminium dope? What are the carbi. access panels either side of the fwd fuselage made of? If they're metal, what colour would they be painted on an a/c in clear-doped linen? Yes, I have been doing my homework, but I'm not getting far with the resources I've got, and surprise! surprise!, I don't have an awful lot on Nieuports. I wonder why? 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:13:42 -0700 From: Eric Hotz To: wwi Subject: Aircraft with Dual Controls Message-ID: I was just curious about aircraft with Dual Controls. What was the exact purpose of dual controls, other than to allow the observer to fly the aircraft if the pilot were to be wounded/killed? Was it for training purposes? To allow the pilot to do something while flying (unjam guns?). Do dual controls also extend to front mounted weapons, or is this something that only the pilot could operate? Eric Hotz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:46:28 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport B'eb'e Message-ID: <19980108.174628.14246.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:15:50 -0500 Mick Fauchon writes: > Can any Nieuport buffs fill me in on the following for the > Ne.11? I'll try, but I'm operating from memory. > Is the fuselage decking fwd of the cockpit polished aluminium, > and does it extend back to about mid-point of the cockpit > coaming? I believe the metal areas were just around the cowl, including the cheeks. I think the upper part ahead of the cockpit was made of wood. However, do keep in mind that I'm operating from memory, and we know how that is. :-) > Is there a metal access panel underneath the fwd fuselage, aft > of the engine, `a la Fok. DrI/DVIII? I don't think so, just a "straight" metal piece (straight meaning no access panel). > What colour are the undercarriage and centre-section struts? > Varnished spruce? Aluminium dope? Depends on the machine. However, CDL machines tended to have natural struts, with the fabric tapes on the interplane struts. You know, I really should pull out some reference. I'm confusing myself. Just what I thought. The struts are natural, but they appear to be made out of metal. So, I would go with an alumnium shade (FWIW, I pulled out Windsock Vol 5 No 3, the "first" issue dealing with the Nie.11). Rimell also shows them to be aluminum colored. It also does look like the forward upper fuselage section is made of wood - I say this because looking at these photo's, it's painted the same shade as the rest of the a/c, while the metal parts are left natural. > What are the carbi. access panels either side of the fwd > fuselage made of? If they're metal, what colour would they be > painted on an a/c in clear-doped linen? It appears those panels are made out of metal. It also appears they're the same color as the main parts of the a/c. > Yes, I have been doing my homework, but I'm not getting far with > the resources I've got, and surprise! surprise!, I don't have an > awful lot on Nieuports. I wonder why? 80) Why is that? Everything written (well, I might add) is a bible to some of us. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:33:55 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft with Dual Controls Message-ID: >I was just curious about aircraft with Dual Controls. What was the exact >purpose of dual controls, other than to allow the observer to fly the >aircraft if the pilot were to be wounded/killed? Was it for training >purposes? To allow the pilot to do something while flying (unjam guns?). >Do dual controls also extend to front mounted weapons, or is this something >that only the pilot could operate? > > > >Eric Hotz Well, this would depend on the aircraft. I was just reading a bit about the Bristol Fighter the other evening. The gunner in this machine had limited controls, apparently a stick to insert into a socket that gave him limited elevator control. Certainly he didn't have access to the forward gun. His controls were for emergencies only. I don't believe that too many of the two-place reconnaissance a/c of WWI had full "dual" controls. Waiting with someone with references at the ready to blow me away with this one. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:43:23 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Aircraft with Dual Controls Message-ID: <199801090053.KAA09327@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi all, Charles posts: > Well, this would depend on the aircraft. I was just reading a bit >about the Bristol Fighter the other evening. The gunner in this machine >had limited controls, apparently a stick to insert into a socket that gave >him limited elevator control. Certainly he didn't have access to the >forward gun. His controls were for emergencies only. ...and is certainly right about this. The pitolt stick was connected to a horizontal bar running across the floor of his cockpit spanwise. A horn welded to the starboard side protrudes through a hole in the floor and is connected connected via a bar running *outside* the undersides of the cockpits to a similar horn welded to the bottom of a socket in the forward starboard corner of the observers cockpit. I often wondered what utility this *really* has aside from allowing the rear seater a modicum of self delusion since he has no lateral control at all. Incidentally, it runs outside the fuselage because the space between the cockpits is full of fuel tank Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:59:38 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nieuport B'eb'e Message-ID: Matt, > > Can any Nieuport buffs fill me in on the following for the > I'll try, but I'm operating from memory. Oh-oh! > I believe the metal areas were just around the cowl, including > the cheeks. The cheeks are OK, they're obviously metal, and vented at the bottom. I think the upper part ahead of the cockpit was made > of wood. However, do keep in mind that I'm operating from > memory, and we know how that is. :-) I know how *mine* is. I thought of wood, but there's nothing to keep it's rolled shape just fwd of the cockpit coaming. > I don't think so, just a "straight" metal piece (straight meaning > no access panel). Sounds OK: if it's were hinged somewhere, or detachable, there will be retainers on it somewhere; I'll check the photos [which will brobable all be taken from the wrong angle 80(] > > What colour are the undercarriage and centre-section struts? > > Depends on the machine. However, CDL machines tended to have > natural struts, with the fabric tapes on the interplane struts. > You know, I really should pull out some reference. Please! 80) I'm confusing > myself. Only yourself? Just what I thought. The struts are natural, but they > appear to be made out of metal. So, I would go with an alumnium > shade (FWIW, I pulled out Windsock Vol 5 No 3, the "first" issue > dealing with the Nie.11). Rimell also shows them to be aluminum > colored. OK, tentatively aluminium......though I have seen a couple of colour drawings in which they're varnished wood. The interplane struts are not a problem. > It also does look like the forward upper fuselage section is made > of wood - I say this because looking at these photo's, it's > painted the same shade as the rest of the a/c, while the metal > parts are left natural. If it's painted, it only tends to cloud the issue, because it could be painted wood or painted metal.....you won't be able to tell. On cdl a/c, you should be able to pick up the contrast between the metal and the fabric. > It appears those panels are made out of metal. It also appears > they're the same color as the main parts of the a/c. ****! That's a problem, because on cdl a/c, the metal parts are not usually painted, e.g. the strut attachment fittings, which are bare metal, or black, either of which would show up in contrast with the linen, which these panels don't. > > Yes, I have been doing my homework, but I'm not getting far with > > the resources I've got, and surprise! surprise!, I don't have an > > awful lot on Nieuports. I wonder why? 80) > > Why is that? Don't beat me, master!.......probably because I haven't needed this kind of detailed info before. Why did I start this!? Everything written (well, I might add) is a bible > to some of us. :-) For some people, the reverse may also be true.80) OK, thanks, Matt, I'll go through what I've got with all this in mind .....and probably build something else 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:14:34 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Aircraft with Dual Controls Message-ID: > I often wondered what > utility this *really* has aside from allowing the rear seater a modicum > of self delusion since he has no lateral control at all. > That appears to be true of Be2s as well; my drawings showed a control column, but no rudder-bar. I gather this was the normal "dual control" arrangement. If the pilot was hit, as sometimes happened, and slumped over his own control-column, it would jam both, and......well..... As far as I'm aware, no German two-seaters had even that rudimentary arrangement. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:03:20 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft with Dual Controls Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-08 19:48:26 EST, you write: << I often wondered what utility this *really* has aside from allowing the rear seater a modicum of self delusion since he has no lateral control at all. >> I do not remember the aircraft type but in an old article in C&C by an observer (British)about his training days,he says they were told to steer by just grabbing the rudder cables on the outside! He didn't think much of the idea! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:57:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Aircraft with Dual Controls Message-ID: <199801090209.MAA09638@mimmon.mim.com.au> Robert, > << I often wondered what > utility this *really* has aside from allowing the rear seater a > modicum > of self delusion since he has no lateral control at all. >> > >I do not remember the aircraft type but in an old article in C&C by an > observer (British)about his training days,he says they were told to > steer by > just grabbing the rudder cables on the outside! He didn't think much > of the > idea!> > Okay, I'll buy that since the rudder cables run along inside his cockpit, though how one grabs them down at ankle level, controls the elevator with the stick and still *sees* is a moot point. I suspect that your source had good reason to be sceptical. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:55:51 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: New kit combo: Smer Sopwith Tripe vs. Albatros D.III Message-ID: <34B5458F.7DA6@ricochet.net> Saw an ad for this in APC Hobbies. The Aurora Tripe is reborn at last... $12.75 USD -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:11:23 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Book info./LIst Library Message-ID: <34B5955B.6C61@ricochet.net> Ernest Thomas wrote: > > R > > Riordan (aka Roy, Ray, Murray, Corey, and now 'Rio') > > > > > Sorry. I do that sometimes. If it bugs you, I'll never do it again. > > E. On the contary; accumulating potential pen-names has become a hobby; there seems to be no end to how many diffrent ways my name may be attenuated, misspoken or misunderstood. About the strangest so far is 'Darius', which as some of you may know was the name of the Persian King who's son-in-law Datis lost to Miltiades at Marathon c.490 B.C. Rio (aka Darius the lesser) -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:14:03 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Ansaldo Photocopy Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980109111403.006be910@philonline.com.ph> Hi Riordan, Did you get the message I sent you about the SVA5 stuff ? Sorry guys, just trying another way to get to Riordan..... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:23:21 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Aircraft with Dual Controls Message-ID: <03232164930841@KAIEN.COM> I recall reading that some aircraft had handgrips fitted to the rudder cables for the observor to use in an emergency. There is also mention made of the observor practicing with these and the detachanble stick *just in case*. Unfortunately I don't recall exactly where this is from, but it was in something I read recently. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Aircraft with Dual Controls > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:02:42 -0500 > > Robert, > > > << I often wondered what > > utility this *really* has aside from allowing the rear seater a > > modicum > > of self delusion since he has no lateral control at all. >> > > > >I do not remember the aircraft type but in an old article in C&C by an > > observer (British)about his training days,he says they were told to > > steer by > > just grabbing the rudder cables on the outside! He didn't think much > > of the > > idea!> > > > Okay, I'll buy that since the rudder cables run along inside his > cockpit, though how one grabs them down at ankle level, controls the > elevator with the stick and still *sees* is a moot point. I suspect that > your source had good reason to be sceptical. > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 11:21:05 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: New kit combo: Smer Sopwith Tripe vs. Albatros D.III Message-ID: <34B3AB71.1AEC@conted.gatech.edu> > Saw an ad for this in APC Hobbies. The Aurora Tripe is reborn at last... > $12.75 USD I picked up this combo. The tripe is actually the recent Eduard offering sans PE or resin parts and a single choice of markings. Not a bad deal. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:38:42 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Ansaldo Photocopy Message-ID: <34B59BC2.6EF1@ricochet.net> Joey Valenciano wrote: > > Hi Riordan, > > Did you get the message I sent you about the SVA5 stuff ? > > Sorry guys, just trying another way to get to Riordan..... > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* Joey, Sorry, Yes, I got your message. Just having trouble keeping up with the volume. Guess you might as well send it, as I may opt to trade/sell my SVA datafile rather than donate it to the library. Riordan 3865 Burton Common Fremont CA 94536 -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 838 *********************