WWI Digest 837 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) too damn long of a posting by Dave Watts 2) Re: Toko kits by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 3) Re: too damn long of a posting by KarrArt 4) Re: Toko kits by Joey Valenciano 5) Re: Fokker D VI by KarrArt 6) Re: Sopwith Turtledecks by "Sandy Adam" 7) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by "Sandy Adam" 8) Re: Toko kits by "Sandy Adam" 9) Re: Bristol Fighter Question by Hirohisa Ozaki 10) Datafiles & Windsock by BStett3770 11) Re: Sopwith Turtledecks by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 12) Re: Fokker D VI by Charles Hart 13) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by Mick Fauchon 14) Re: Toko kits by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 15) Conflicting refs RE: Corporal James Bach's aerial victory by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 16) Re: Book info./LIst Library by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 17) SVA 5, Smer, review of dimensions by Joey Valenciano 18) Re: Toko kits by mbittner@juno.com 19) Re: the Good and the Bad - 1916 by "Charles Duckworth" 20) Re: Book info./LIst Library by KarrArt 21) Re: Toko kits by Joey Valenciano 22) Re: the Good and the Bad - 1916 by Joey Valenciano 23) Re: Toko kits by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 24) Re: Toko kits by ModelerAl 25) Re: too damn long of a posting by Suvoroff 26) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Ernest Thomas 27) Re: One More Done by REwing 28) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Ernest Thomas 29) Re: SVA 5, Smer, review of dimensions by Ernest Thomas 30) Re: New Thread: Worst Pilot Award! by lothar@televar.com (mark) 31) Re: New Thread: Worst Pilot Award! by Ernest Thomas 32) Re: Book info./LIst Library by Ernest Thomas 33) Re: SVA 5, Smer, review of dimensions by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 34) RE: too damn long of a posting by Reid Sweatman 35) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by "Sandy Adam" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:46:33 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: too damn long of a posting Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980107184633.007cd360@192.168.0.5> Hi fellow WWI enthusiasts, Let me apologize for posting that strangler, choker, killer 08/15 SPANDAU posting. I'm very new to this page group, and can hardly post, let alone know what size postings to make. Next time I'll e-mail it to Allan. I'll try to get a grip on it. I was just trying to share info. Again, sorry about that! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:18:48 -0600 (CST) From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko kits Message-ID: >I just saw on Silverbird that the first two Toko 1/72nd injected kits >are out: the Pfalz D.XII and the SSW D.III/D.IV. > >Does anybody know of any other distributor for Toko? Silverbird has >been extremely bad about filling orders lately - Erik and I have been >waiting about 4 months for one. I saw where Meteor Productions is >starting to carry Toko, but are almost twice as much as Silverbird. > Squadron will also be stocking the kits. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:14:00 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: too damn long of a posting Message-ID: <18f87a31.34b41a4b@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-07 19:03:01 EST, you write: << Hi fellow WWI enthusiasts, Let me apologize for posting that strangler, choker, killer 08/15 SPANDAU posting. I'm very new to this page group, and can hardly post, let alone know what size postings to make. Next time I'll e-mail it to Allan. I'll try to get a grip on it. I was just trying to share info. Again, sorry about that! Dave >> Actually, parts 1 and 2 that came through as just regular, if LONG postings look VERY interesting.I haven't had time to absorb them yet, but I've taken a quick peek and I think you've a fine job! Robert P.S. the bizzarre attachment was easily deleted! no problem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:01:19 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko kits Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980108080119.006c18d8@philonline.com.ph> At 03:37 PM 1/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >I just saw on Silverbird that the first two Toko 1/72nd injected kits >are out: the Pfalz D.XII and the SSW D.III/D.IV. > >Does anybody know of any other distributor for Toko? Silverbird has >been extremely bad about filling orders lately - Erik and I have been >waiting about 4 months for one. This is strange news. I've had good service from Silverbird in the past. Have you tried writing to follow up? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:17:46 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D VI Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-07 15:16:44 EST, you write: << I would like to know where there is published photographic evidence for mauve/green/light blue camouflage on a Fokker D-VI. Charles >> The ONLY reference I've seen showing the mauve/green scheme is the Munson fighter book.Never seen a photo in anything but lozenge Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:21:06 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Turtledecks Message-ID: <199801080037.AAA09425@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Has anyone on this list attempted the correction to the turtledeck > suggested in Windsock. I've never done that kind of surgery before on a model > and I'm not sure if it is really worth it. TIA I've done several Sopwith turtledecks in the last six months, the latest being the Eduard Tripe and I don't know what the fuss is about. All you do is add a little body putty (the white Squadron stuff went on my Tripe) to either side of the rear fuselage stringers. If you're careful in applying this you dont have to sand much. You just use a sanding stick to carry the flat side upwards, then flatten it across the top. The last little bit is to catch the correct curve at the outer edges and the slight ribbing of the stringers. Like Robert's struts, its one of those jobs that you could think about all day, but when you get down to it it only takes an hour or so. I haven't found any fitting problem with the wings although they are only dry fitted at present. I attached the cabanes at correct angle against Datafile, sanded out wing slots and glued interplanes at same correct angle. By sitting top wing in place (snug), you can slide in the middle wing/strut and lightly sand cabane notches etc until perfect fit is achieved. You do have to reduce locating plugs at the end of every strut quite a bit, but that is pretty obvious. At this stage I drilled out fairly large holes for wires passing through wings and ran a test piece of mono through to get the correct line. I then superglued the PE reinforcing piece in place, which hides the size of original hole but guarantees the centre will be exactly right after painting and assembly before you run the actual cable through. I do agree about cutting and fitting resin tailplane exactly though - I realised after giving fuselage/bottom wing/tailplane assembly a coat of primer that the tailplane was out of true planwise and spent half an evening with CA releasing fluid trying to coaxe it off again! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:32:21 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <199801080037.AAA09433@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > Did you know that the Smer Ansaldo SVA DOES NOT-repeat NOT have the > > insignia embossed on the plastic? Yeh but you know that that's because it was the only one that Artiplast added to the range when they acquired the Merit moulds before they sold to Smer, don't you? Best things about this kit (apart from the fabulous subject of course) were the splendid "Lion of St Marks'" transfers. (But we have covered this before haven't we?). The only reason I bought a Smer one was for the trannies and found the god-awful red stars instead! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:24:40 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Toko kits Message-ID: <199801080037.AAA09430@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > Does anybody know of any other distributor for Toko? > Matt Bittner > Look at the Hannants web page, they were all there last time I inadvertently looked before I realised they were just 1/72 and not worth spending any time on. Box art is quite good though - could always through the kit away and keep the box. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 09:43:44 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Bristol Fighter Question Message-ID: <199801080045.JAA01413@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Hello Shane, I checked all references of Biff which I have last night. I think that you may believe SqnSig book (Bristol Fighter In Action), especially two photograhs on page 47 for ailerons and elevators. Rudder hinges position are drawn cleary in center fold color illustrations. Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:42:13 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Datafiles & Windsock Message-ID: <4b252eb0.34b420ea@aol.com> Hi Gang Just purchased another collection of WWI Stuff. Have Datafiles $10.00 each Windsock Int Mags - $7.50 each WWI Aero $ 4.00 each and a few books Surf on over to : www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby & click in the WWI book collection listing Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:57:39 -0800 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: Sopwith Turtledecks Message-ID: <34B54BD3.5FE9@connectorsystems.co.nz> I'm not up to speed on this particular kit and what problems it may or may not have, but for this sort of work I lke epoxy putty. add the stringers from whatever you narmally use for fine sections and build up the curve in the fabric with a slurry of putty and water. Let it sit to get rid of some of the water - 15 -20 minutes say, then work it with a wet brush to get the right shape and a clean finish . You'll just need to touch it up with abit of sandpaper in the worst case, but even that is not always necessary. Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:22:46 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D VI Message-ID: >In a message dated 98-01-07 15:16:44 EST, you write: > ><< I would like to know where there is published photographic evidence > for mauve/green/light blue camouflage on a Fokker D-VI. > > Charles >> >The ONLY reference I've seen showing the mauve/green scheme is the Munson >fighter book.Never seen a photo in anything but lozenge >Robert This is only one reason I question the reliability of illustrations in the Munson volumes. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:43:30 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: Matt, > Well, kinda...and I can't believe you're going to build some 1/72nd > models for us! Which part can't you believe? Hey! you get it at all, you get it in the Scale of Kings! 80) I would have thought 1/48th - for your own collection! > However, do what you want...;-) Actually, they are for my collection, hence the above. > > BTW, I caved in and bought the Squadron-Signal book last > Not a great book, but some good pictures. Yes, that's pretty generally true of the SquadSig line; good for photos, but the text often tends to be a bit dodgey. It probably helps to know a bit about your topic before you buy them. > > You want the details when I'm finished? Or can I proceed on > >these on my own? 80) > No, you must supply the step by step process you went through, First, I opened the book...... including > corrections, .....then I read it; then I closed it again 80) the ferret, and how you painted it. Not enough left to paint; is unsalvageable....... Oh, yea, which brushes > you use, as well!! .........so I'm using its bristles for brushes 80) In fact, I was referring to a run-down on the photos when I've had a good look at them. But don't let that stop you 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:46:41 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko kits Message-ID: <34B43001.8A8@ricochet.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > > > > Does anybody know of any other distributor for Toko? > > Matt Bittner > > > > Look at the Hannants web page, they were all there last time I > inadvertently looked What are they going for, or did you notice? I've heard rumors that they are absurdly overpriced (OK, I know a lot of you think there's no such thing as an overpriced WWI kit). Thanks, Riordan -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:01:01 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Conflicting refs RE: Corporal James Bach's aerial victory Message-ID: <34B4335D.621A@ricochet.net> Corporal James Bach was an American who served with MS 38 in 1915, and according to Edwin C. Parson in "I Flew With The Lafeyette Escadrille", Cpl. Bach shot down an Aviatik in the Summer of 1915, but the FMP French book says no victories were recorded for MS 38. So what gives? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:09:18 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Book info./LIst Library Message-ID: <34B4354E.2255@ricochet.net> Ernest Thomas wrote: > So let me know if YOU ever need anything. Mighty wide of you. I'll keep it in mind. Thanks, Riordan (aka Roy, Ray, Murray, Corey, and now 'Rio') -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:12:09 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: SVA 5, Smer, review of dimensions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980108101209.006ba824@philonline.com.ph> >> But the wings are all wrong anyway. >> >> the fuselage is just right, though..... >> >Wrong how? All measurements are for an a/c in 1/48 scale. Wings: The kit wings have a very funny aerofoil shape, sort of resembling a wing from the beginnings of flight. Top wing: Keep in mind that the SVA5 top wing was assymetrical in span. The port top wing was longer (96mm) than the starboard top wing (94.5) to counteract prop torque. The Smer wing is too short in span. Bottom wing: The lower wing of the real plane was symmetrical, each wing being (70mm) in span. The Smer lower wings are short (67mm per side). The real a/c bottom wing had dihedral the kit part does not. Horizontal tail: The kit's fixed horizontal tail is slightly smailler in area and does not have enough sweepback. You could probably correct it by adding plastic to the leading edge. Fuselage: The fuselage on the otherhand is almost spot on. Laying the port fuselage side on the Datafile plans (by Marco Gueli), the kit profile is verrrrrry close to the drawing. The nose could be made 1.5mm longer though. The headrest could be extended forward, making it more vertical. The rudder should be enlarged. Other parts: prop - kit part is about 4mm shorter than the real thing. wheels - correct diameter. overwing water tank - wrong in shape. struts - cross section of struts is ok but I won't comment much on the struts. You'd have to make the kit to find out if the strut lengths are right. I love this kit. I'll try to make a good model. And the datafile has a soft spot in my heart because it's my very first one. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:38:32 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko kits Message-ID: <19980107.203837.13310.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:22:22 -0500 huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) writes: >Squadron will also be stocking the kits. Any idea about price? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1988 20:37:22 -0700 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: the Good and the Bad - 1916 Message-ID: <199801080240.UAA16186@mail.primary.net> Was reading/looking at photos in the book 'Billy Bishop' to my 8 year old last night, he has really gotten into the WWI scene as the only game we have on our PC id the original Red Baron. He now knows more about the aces than his old man and is quite opinionated at to the pereformance of the D.H. 2 and Morane Bullet vs Albatros D.II. His all time favorite is the D.V. Anyway back to the subject, in Bishop's on pages 28 and 29 he describes flying (or trying to in an R.E. 7 as an observer). The plane is my candidate for The Bad. Bishop quotes "...It was a machine designed to mount four guns, camera and all manner of other equipment including a 500 pound bomb lashed to the fuselage.......the first time we tried to take up our R.E.7, Roger Neville gunned across Boidinghem at least a dozen times into the wind, but the wheels nver left the gound. Consultation followed. They decided that we should try and get airborne without the bomb. The wheels bounced a few times, but we still weren't in the air.........They decided to move us to a larger field at St. Qmer.....we finally succeeded but only after removing two of the four machine guns as well." Before I also tack on The Ugly title to it as well I'm going to look through FMP's French book. The Good in 1916 - the Albatros D.II, fast and lots of fire power compared to the Allied ships. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:43:35 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Book info./LIst Library Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-07 21:17:34 EST, you write: << Riordan (aka Roy, Ray, Murray, Corey, and now 'Rio') >> Hey Danny...... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:23:42 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko kits Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980108102342.006c9468@philonline.com.ph> >Look at the Hannants web page, they were all there last time I >inadvertently looked before I realised they were just 1/72 and not worth >spending any time on. Box art is quite good though - could always through >the kit away and keep the box. >Sandy I'd enlarge the box art by 150% on a photocopy machine to REALLY make it 1/48. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:55:16 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: the Good and the Bad - 1916 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980108105516.006c9468@philonline.com.ph> >Before I also tack on The Ugly title to it as well I'm going to look >through FMP's French book. You'll find many candidates there. Mine would be the Breguet U2. Anybody with 3 views out there? (I ask again) ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:43:53 -0600 (CST) From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko kits Message-ID: >On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:22:22 -0500 huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) >writes: > >>Squadron will also be stocking the kits. > >Any idea about price? Idon't remember seeing any figures for the costing, but there were about 6 or 7WWI kits listed in their flyer. The ones that are currently available are on order, and the others will be added when they are available. Watch the web site or the supplement for availability. They will more than likely be marked down when they come in. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:51:28 EST From: ModelerAl To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko kits Message-ID: <37151910.34b46962@aol.com> Toko kits are also available directly from the CIS via Tushino-Aviapress at: http://store.in.ru/karateev/engl/main_e.htm HTH, Al ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:55:07 EST From: Suvoroff To: wwi Subject: Re: too damn long of a posting Message-ID: <1fcfce91.34b46a3d@aol.com> I really appreciated that posting, and will be copying it for my files. It must have taken an amazing amount of time to type, though. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:08:44 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <34B46D6C.346E@bellsouth.net> Mick Fauchon wrote: > > > I did notice on a couple of the other Smer kits that they've made > a sort of half-hearted attempt to remove the insignia. > > Cheers, > > Mick. Mick, News to me. Which ones? And would you or anyone else know if the Eduard N.17's ever actually made it to the shelf? I put one on back order back in August I think. Never did get it, but never checked up on it either. TTYL, Ernest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:03:14 EST From: REwing To: wwi Subject: Re: One More Done Message-ID: << Sopwith Tripe turtledeck corrections are really no sweat >> Thanks, Paul, for the quick answer. I'll have to pull up my boot straps and give this one a go. Someday ;^}. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:46:40 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <34B47650.328B@bellsouth.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > > > Did you know that the Smer Ansaldo SVA DOES NOT-repeat NOT have the > > > insignia embossed on the plastic? > > Yeh but you know that that's because it was the only one that Artiplast > added to the range when they acquired the Merit moulds before they sold to > Smer, don't you? > Best things about this kit (apart from the fabulous subject of course) were > the splendid "Lion of St Marks'" transfers. (But we have covered this > before haven't we?). The only reason I bought a Smer one was for the > trannies and found the god-awful red stars instead! > Sandy No, I didn't know that. But since you bring up decals, would you know where I might find something beside those red stars? Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 01:22:24 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: SVA 5, Smer, review of dimensions Message-ID: <34B47EB0.386E@bellsouth.net> Hey Joey, you responded; > All measurements are for an a/c in 1/48 scale. > > Wings: > The kit wings have a very funny aerofoil shape, sort of resembling a wing > from the beginnings of flight. Yeah, I noticed that too, But since it's a future project I haven't actually compared it to my 1 or 2 drawings yet. > Top wing: > Keep in mind that the SVA5 top wing was assymetrical in span. The port top > wing was longer (96mm) than the starboard top wing (94.5) to counteract > prop torque. The Smer wing is too short in span. > I had no idea about that either. Or any of the other things you mentioned. As of right now, I pretty much feel that if you can recognize it as an SVA(or whatever) from 5 feet away, then that's close enough for me. With a few exceptions of course. But it seems that every model I build these days needs more and more corrections. So maybe by the time I get around to building it, my confidence will have reached a point where I'm ready to take on those kind of corrections. Thanks for all the info anyway. I will hang on to it and will see if I can find that Datafile. My first(and only) Datafile is the Eindecker and I do love it. It made my Eduard 1/48 E-III so much nicer. Let me know how yours progresses. It may inspire me. Thanks. Ernest. "I fear nothing but treachery" Joan of Arc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: New Thread: Worst Pilot Award! Message-ID: <199801080758.XAA23796@concord.televar.com> > >My vote for the worst molded pilot goes to the SMER, DH-2 pilot. Most >homely chap ever created in plastic. >Matt Z No doubt about that one. Looks like he smashed his face into a brick wall. For runners up though, you can't beat the wierdly shaped, almost 1/72 sized chaps that come with the Testors Nie. 17 and SPAD XIII 1/48 kits..... MArk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 02:04:54 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: New Thread: Worst Pilot Award! Message-ID: <34B488A6.13A1@bellsouth.net> mark wrote: > > > > >My vote for the worst molded pilot goes to the SMER, DH-2 pilot. Most > >homely chap ever created in plastic. > >Matt Z > > No doubt about that one. Looks like he smashed his face into a brick wall. > For runners up though, you can't beat the wierdly shaped, almost 1/72 sized > chaps that come with the Testors Nie. 17 and SPAD XIII 1/48 kits..... > > MArk How about that wallflower driving the Smer Fok.D-VII? Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 02:08:36 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Book info./LIst Library Message-ID: <34B48984.72B1@bellsouth.net> R > Riordan (aka Roy, Ray, Murray, Corey, and now 'Rio') > > Sorry. I do that sometimes. If it bugs you, I'll never do it again. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:17:28 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: SVA 5, Smer, review of dimensions Message-ID: <199801080817.AA17960@ednet1.orednet.org> Joey Valenciano writes: -snips- >All measurements are for an a/c in 1/48 scale. -snips- Perhaps some of the problems with the undersized dimensions with the SMER (and before that, Artiplast) kit is that it was nominally a 1/50, rather than a 1/48, kit? The SMER SVA.5 _shouldn't_ scale out correctly if you apply 1/48 scale dimensions to it. Of course, it misses the mark a few places in 1/50 scale as well, but it does come considerably closer. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:43:00 -0700 From: Reid Sweatman To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: too damn long of a posting Message-ID: <01BD1BD7.35EBB400.Reid.Sweatman@m.cc.utah.edu> On Wednesday, January 07, 1998 5:01 PM, Dave Watts [SMTP:davew@wattstrainshop.com] wrote: > Hi fellow WWI enthusiasts, > Let me apologize for posting that strangler, choker, killer 08/15 SPANDAU > posting. I'm very new to this page group, and can hardly post, let alone > know what size postings to make. Next time I'll e-mail it to Allan. I'll > try to get a grip on it. I was just trying to share info. Again, sorry > about that! > Dave > Don't apologize. It was fascinating stuff. If you have sources for that data, please list them. I'm only aware of one book on WWI aerial weapons, and I don't think it covered that material. Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer Reid.Sweatman@m.cc.utah.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:52:21 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <199801080955.JAA18341@beryl.sol.co.uk> Hi Ernest, I assume you mean Italian roundels? - I saw some in a shop the other day - think they were Blue Rider, but I haven't got source handy to check. Don't know if there were any SVAs on it though. I still have my original Artiplast one made up but did buy another Smer in Hannant's sale in December for a future project to modify to D'Annunzio's 2-seater. I saw the original last summer in Italy and a project has been festering away in the back of my mind since then. So if I can find another set of Artiplast transfers - they will be earmarked for use. Sandy ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 > Date: 08 January 1998 06:53 > > Sandy Adam wrote: > > > > > > Did you know that the Smer Ansaldo SVA DOES NOT-repeat NOT have the > > > > insignia embossed on the plastic? > > > > Yeh but you know that that's because it was the only one that Artiplast > > added to the range when they acquired the Merit moulds before they sold to > > Smer, don't you? > > Best things about this kit (apart from the fabulous subject of course) were > > the splendid "Lion of St Marks'" transfers. (But we have covered this > > before haven't we?). The only reason I bought a Smer one was for the > > trannies and found the god-awful red stars instead! > > Sandy > > No, I didn't know that. But since you bring up decals, would you know > where I might find something beside those red stars? > > Ernest ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 837 *********************