WWI Digest 834 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly - 1916 by knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 2) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 3) Re: WW I aircraft books(sales of kits) by Alberto Rada 4) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 5) Bristol Fighter Question by Shane Weier 6) Re: WW I aircraft books by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 7) Re: Book info./LIst Library by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 8) Re: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly - 1916 by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 9) Re: Bristol Fighter Question by Mick Fauchon 10) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by mbittner@juno.com 11) Re: Help with F2A info by mbittner@juno.com 12) Re: Help with F2A info by B-A-L 13) RE: WW I aircraft books(sales of kits) by Bob Pearson 14) RE: Help with F2A info by Shane Weier 15) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by Joey Valenciano 16) Re: Book info./LIst Library by "CHARLES JOHNSON" 17) Re: Help with F2A info by KarrArt 18) RE: Help with F2A info by Shane Weier 19) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: Book info./LIst Library by Ernest Thomas 21) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Joey Valenciano 22) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Ernest Thomas 23) Re: The Good, the Bad and the very Ugly - 1916 by KarrArt 24) The Ugly by Ernest Thomas 25) Off subject- The weather by Ernest Thomas 26) Re: The Ugly by John & Allison Cyganowski 27) One More Done by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 28) FWIW by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 29) Re: HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION! by "Sandy Adam" 30) Re: New Thread: Worst Pilot Award! by "Sandy Adam" 31) Re: Book info.. by "Sandy Adam" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:28:30 +0100 (MET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly - 1916 Message-ID: <199801062328.AAA13227@login.eunet.no> >Given all the aircraft that got into production during WWI am wondering >what the list would consider the Good (best), the bad (worse) and the >Ugly(ist) aircraft used in 1916. Fighters, bombers and floaters - even >prototypes can be voted on any country. >Would also like to know your reasons for each catagory...now where did I >put Hallion's book Rise of the Fighter A/C? Good: Sopwith Pup - if it looks right, it usually flies well. Bad: Farman F.40 - outdated and someone managed to sell a number of them to Norway so we were stuck with them well into the twenties. Ugly: Handley Page 0/100 - if you were on a German airfield receiving its full load. Eders Knut Erik _ _ { | { | ||+| ||o| {|\ || | {|\ || | ---====(o)|O\.........................---====(o)|O/ {|/ || | {|/ || | ||+| ||o| {_| {_| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:28:31 +0100 (MET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <199801062328.AAA13230@login.eunet.no> >Matthew Zivich wrote: > >> But on behalf of the SMER lovers amonst us > >I suppose I must be Smer fan as well, because I have at least one of >every WWI kit except for the dreaded Dr.I. As an archaeologist ------------------- I just had to ask how often you encounter Smer kits when you are digging? Eders Knut Erik _ _ { | { | ||+| ||o| {|\ || | {|\ || | ---====(o)|O\.........................---====(o)|O/ {|/ || | {|/ || | ||+| ||o| {_| {_| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:02:18 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I aircraft books(sales of kits) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980106190218.006ef668@pop.true.net> Paul For those of us on this side of the world, I think it's faster and cheaper to subscribe to W/D through Whise Owl Publications, wiseowl@sprintmail.com until last year I subscribed direct, but this year I'll go through WOP as I do with other British publications. SALUDOS Alberto At 03:56 PM 06-01-98 -0500, you wrote: >Bob, > >Could you list an address (and subscription rate?) so those of us on the list >who are not well-informed could look into subscribing? Thanks! > >Paul > >> My nine year old subscription number to Windsock/Datafile is 1098/130, >> so how high are any new members up to? > >> Bob Pearson > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 15:53:34 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <34B2C3FE.57AD@ricochet.net> > I just had to ask how often you encounter Smer kits when you are digging? Only when I'm digging through my boxes of unbuilt kits and "works in progress". I unearthed and fondled my Avro 504 just last night. -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:59:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Bristol Fighter Question Message-ID: <199801070008.KAA29631@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi all, I'm busy marking up wings and tail of my Biff prior to drilling holes for "hinges" Since there is a fairly large gap between the various control surfaces and the wings/tailplane I want to at least represent the gap, which means using pins at the proper hinge locations to hold things together. Most of the photos are unclear. Stairs plans in datafile and datafile special don't show them. I have *some* idea from careful perusal of these books and the SqnSig of the proper placement, but wonder if I could get an independant opinion from anyone on the list - or if anyone has the Bruce volume and whether it has photos unknown to me which make matters clearer. Any help welcome Shane nb: Surprise, surprise..... ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 1998 19:19:14 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I aircraft books Message-ID: <88413239795026@bdsbbs.com> I like Munson's books as a secondary source. I wouldn't pay more than $10-15 US for them though. A lot of different types of planes are shown with a color side view and single split top/bottom view. The split view is a pain for instances where the markings may not be symmetrical. Brian RW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 16:21:48 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Book info./LIst Library Message-ID: <34B2CA9C.72E5@ricochet.net> CHARLES JOHNSON wrote: > > My thanks to all of those who answered my ques.abt good illustrated > reference books. Im just getting back into the hobby after many years, and > not being a man of great monetary means, i want to spend my money in the > right place, the first time out. All of the folks on this list have been > just terrific when it comes to answering my many questions, and i want to > say Thankyou to all for making me feel welcome. Till the next question.. > Charlie Charlie,Ernest, & other initiates, If you have any specific data requests, you may direct them to the list librarian (me). The list library/librarian has many references, including several volumes of C&C, OTF, nearly all of the WWI Profiles, Janes WWI, FMP French volume, Harleyford Fighters, other books and accumulated stuff in bloody great unwieldy binders. Required materials (such as 3-view drawings or reference photos) can be copied and sent to you for nothing, unless you want color copies or a thick stack of reference, in which case a nominal reimbursement is 'customary'. Anything in particular you need at the moment? Riordan the Librarian ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 1998 19:30:02 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly - 1916 Message-ID: <88413669373032@bdsbbs.com> As for defining "good" and "bad" I'd have to go from the viewpoint of the user, if I had to go into combat, what would I want to be flying.... And I'll define "1916" as planes that entered frontline service in 1916. I'd have to give best of 1916 to the Albatros D.II, reasonable climb rate, good performance, sturdy construction, and the deciding factor -- *two* fuselage guns at a time when the opposing planes have one. Runners up are: the Spad VII, better climb rate and slightly faster than the D.II, but only the one gun; and the Sopwith Pup, more maneuverable than the D.II, same speed and climb, but the one gun (In a one-on-one fight I'd take the Pup over the D.II, but in larger scrums which are more likely, I'll take the firepower.) For worst of 1916, there's a lot of close competition. I'd give the crown to the R.A.F. B.E. 2d, a minor upgrade on a 1914 plane! The climb rate and speed make it worse than most of the runner ups for the deciding factor, plus the emotional decider that 20 of MvR's confirmed kills were various flavors of B.E.s, this is not a good plane to be in. For the runners up, B.E. 2e (worse maneuverability than the 2d, but at least it could go faster); numerous French two-seat pushers the Farman F.40 and Breguet-Michelin 4 & 5 get forgiven because they entered service in February, but the Voisin 8 in August '16?! this plane beats out the B.E. only on the emotional factor listed above (that and the fact that bombers aren't as likely to be intercepted as reconnaissance planes like the B.E., the Voisin is the only runner up slower than the B.E., but it does have a higher ceiling and better climb); for the Germans, the Fokker D.I also ran a very tight race for worst, but did not win because it can go faster than the B.E. so the pilot might be able to escape before the fight starts, and the Pfalz E.V -- a plane with wing-warping arriving at the front in June of '16?! But at least it could go faster than the Fokker. Honorouble mention for not quite making the runner-up list is the Russian Moska MBbis, its slower than the B.E. and arrives at the front in mid-'16 with factory installed deflector plates. However, considering that the deflector plates were more reliable than Russian-built synchronisers, this is a good design feature. Considering the low aeroplane population density on the Russian front and that this plane was highly unlikely to actually encounter enemy planes it gets spared from the list. And for ugliest plane (still keeping to production aircraft that entered frontline service) the winner, without any competition, is the Farman F.40. Wow does that look ungainly. The only thing that could make it worse would be to make it a triplane. Brian RW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:41:45 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Subject: Re: Bristol Fighter Question Message-ID: Shane, > these books and the SqnSig of the proper placement, but wonder if I > could get an independant opinion from anyone on the list - or if anyone > has the Bruce volume and whether it has photos unknown to me which make > matters clearer. > > Any help welcome I'm pretty sure I've got a set of drawings at home in 1/48 from an old Aeromodeller, or something of that sort. I'll have a look tonight, and see what I've got. From Monday, I'll be on leave, but I won't be going to Canberra for a couple of weeks. Did you say you had a contact in their p/r department? If so, I'll try to arrange something before I go down there. > nb: Surprise, surprise..... Now, I wonder what that would be? 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:28:39 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <19980106.194949.4302.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:33:39 -0500 Mick Fauchon writes: > You and Joey happy now? Grump! 80) I am, Gramps. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:11:49 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Help with F2A info Message-ID: <19980106.202935.4718.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:55:47 -0500 Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton writes: > Having got to the stage where the decking needs to go on the > Fuselage of the Felixstowe, I've hit a problem - I've got no > definitive information on the layout of the instruments in the > cockpit. WW1 Aero, #109 has cockpit/instrument info. If you're interested (any of you) email me your snail mail address. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:52:44 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: Help with F2A info Message-ID: <34B37A9C.574A@eis.net.au> John Huggins wrote: > > >Hi folks > > > >Having got to the stage where the decking needs to go on the Fuselage of the Felixstowe, I've hit a problem - I've got no definitive information on the layout of the instruments in the cockpit. > > Do any of the Australin gurus on the list know who built the F2A which now resides at the ? Tweed Heads or Coffs Harbour RSL/ SERVICES CLUB ? The model is superb and in 1/32 packed with detail Only ever seen photographs but the bloke who built this little moinster seems to have had a great deal of arcane knowledge at his disposal ! DAVID ( WITH A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:50:20 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: WW I aircraft books(sales of kits) Message-ID: <02502034624410@KAIEN.COM> Shane mentioned . . ---------- > Bob ponders: > > >So perhaps it would be an > >idea for these journals to advertise in some publication like > WINGS/AIRPOWER > >or (shudder) any of the CHALLENGE publications (they do get bought). > This > >way they would be seen by those with an interest in aviation, and > perhaps > >also in WW1, but who have no idea of the existance of the various > journals. > > C&CI advertises in the UK modelling press - at least I have seen an > advert. in one of them in the last few weeks. Maybe they're after the > WW1 modelling fraternity - and they have me > > Shane > (C&CI #5089) Exactly my point, and if it wasn't for FLYPAST, I would still be unaware of all of the wonderful stuff I have gathered in the past ten years. So who knows what I would have now if any of the American magazines had carried ads for C&C(USA) during the late 70s/early 80s. As for Alberto's suggestion to order through Wise Owl, I prefer to deal direct with the publisher, especially in light of Bill Dean Books failure in the last year or so. This way as long as Albatros, or whoever, is still in existance, I will eventually get my copies. Regards, Bob Pearson (C&CI #3663) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:11:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Cc: "'B-A-L'" Subject: RE: Help with F2A info Message-ID: <199801070320.NAA00392@mimmon.mim.com.au> David, > Do any of the Australin gurus on the list know who built the F2A which >now resides at the ? Tweed Heads or Coffs Harbour RSL/ SERVICES CLUB ? >The model is superb and in 1/32 packed with detail Only ever seen >photographs but the bloke who built this little moinster seems to have >had a great deal of arcane knowledge at his disposal ! I can't tell you right off the top of my (balding) head, but the maker is a fellow member of the Aust. Soc. of WW1 Aero Historians. There was mention of it in either the 14-18 Journal or a society newsletter sometime in the last few years. If you can wait until tomorrow I'll look him up for you Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 10:37:57 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980107103757.006bf548@philonline.com.ph> > 2) Nie. 17c, ex-60 Sqn. RFC, flown by Uffz. Paul B"aumer, Fliegerabt. >7. Aluminium dope > You and Joey happy now? Grump! 80) I am, thanks. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:05:05 -0500 From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" To: Subject: Re: Book info./LIst Library Message-ID: <19980107040708.AAA16407@default> Thanks Riordan, im justabt finished with the Fok. D. VI, Have the Eduard Morane N going on the table next, have ordered the Morane G/H from APC In the Russian Ver. Anything on these 2 aircraft would be appreciated, some color prints of each if available, would be appreciated , and some rigging data also.doing both in 1/48 th scale. Thanks Charlie ---------- > From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Book info./LIst Library > Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 7:27 PM > > CHARLES JOHNSON wrote: > > > > My thanks to all of those who answered my ques.abt good illustrated > > reference books. Im just getting back into the hobby after many years, and > > not being a man of great monetary means, i want to spend my money in the > > right place, the first time out. All of the folks on this list have been > > just terrific when it comes to answering my many questions, and i want to > > say Thankyou to all for making me feel welcome. Till the next question.. > > Charlie > > Charlie,Ernest, & other initiates, > > If you have any specific data requests, you may direct them to the list > librarian (me). The list library/librarian has many references, > including several volumes of C&C, OTF, nearly all of the WWI Profiles, > Janes WWI, FMP French volume, Harleyford Fighters, other books and > accumulated stuff in bloody great unwieldy binders. Required materials > (such as 3-view drawings or reference photos) can be copied and sent to > you for nothing, unless you want color copies or a thick stack of > reference, in which case a nominal reimbursement is 'customary'. > Anything in particular you need at the moment? > > Riordan the Librarian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:05:07 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Help with F2A info Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-06 22:05:51 EST, you write: << Do any of the Australin gurus on the list know who built the F2A which now resides at the ? Tweed Heads or Coffs Harbour RSL/ SERVICES CLUB ? The model is superb and in 1/32 packed with detail Only ever seen photographs but the bloke who built this little moinster seems to have had a great deal of arcane knowledge at his disposal ! >> Well well, just now as I was searching for something else entirely I came across a little piece in WW Aero (No 140 May '93) about this model.Built by a couple of guys- Bob Gawne and Harry Lobb of Coffs Harbour.Says this 1/32 model was built from plans by Stair appearing in C&C (GB) Vol9 #2 Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:42:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Help with F2A info Message-ID: <199801070454.OAA00788@mimmon.mim.com.au> Robert, David, > << Do any of the Australin gurus on the list know who built the F2A > which << now resides at the ? Tweed Heads or Coffs Harbour RSL/ SERVICES CLUB ? >Well well, just now as I was searching for something else entirely I came >across a little piece in WW Aero (No 140 May '93) about this model.Built by a >couple of guys- Bob Gawne and Harry Lobb of Coffs Harbour.Says this 1/32 model >was built from plans by Stair appearing in C&C (GB) Vol9 #2 HENRY Lobb makes sense. He's definitely a ASSWW1AH member resident in Coff Harbour. I don't recall what the article said precisely, but I now vaguely recall it being a collaboration. Will look further tonight Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:55:11 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <34B30AAF.952@bellsouth.net> Mick Fauchon wrote: > > Robert, > > > << Oh, alright.....it's a good cowl.....once you hack the dreadful > > engine out of it. >> > > I'll tell you the way I look at it- after much dread and fear and loathing, I > > finally get down to the job at hand and I find that the monster task took > > maybe 5 minutes to do! IF that! > > I'm not averse to *small* doses of pain.....but there is a limit > to the amount I'm prepared to accept from one kit at one time. Cutting > the engine of of the cowl of the Lindberg Curtiss Hawk II and refining the > cowling took a *lot* more than five minutes. > There are a lot of things I don't mind doing, e.g. reducing the > Smer DrI to basic components just so you can have something to work on, > and scratch-building the rest.......but I *despise* embossed > decal-stations...I can't help it, it's been with me since I was a kid 80) > A propos of which, I was interested to observe that Smer provided > roundels [Czech? Russian?....I can't remember] with their Albatros. Roundels > over heavily-embossed Eiserne Kreuze?! Cute! > > > I HATE making my own struts, but even when there's great gob of 'em to do( > > such as, oh say, 12 on a BE2, not counting the landing gear), if I just GET > > DOWN TO IT, the whole set is done in an hour or less. > > Getting down to it, as you point out, is the trick. Some things are > easier to get down to than others 80) > > Cheers, > > Mick. > > -- -- > Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au > Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 > University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > M M > M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M > M M > M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M > M M > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Hey Mick and/or anyone else concerned, Did you know that the Smer Ansaldo SVA DOES NOT-repeat NOT have the insignia embossed on the plastic? Because that's always been the hemoroid in my modeling life too. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 23:07:13 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Book info./LIst Library Message-ID: <34B30D81.662D@bellsouth.net> Riordan and Michelle Goodwin wrote: > > CHARLES JOHNSON wrote: > > > > My thanks to all of those who answered my ques.abt good illustrated > > reference books. Im just getting back into the hobby after many years, and > > not being a man of great monetary means, i want to spend my money in the > > right place, the first time out. All of the folks on this list have been > > just terrific when it comes to answering my many questions, and i want to > > say Thankyou to all for making me feel welcome. Till the next question.. > > Charlie > > Charlie,Ernest, & other initiates, > > If you have any specific data requests, you may direct them to the list > librarian (me). The list library/librarian has many references, > including several volumes of C&C, OTF, nearly all of the WWI Profiles, > Janes WWI, FMP French volume, Harleyford Fighters, other books and > accumulated stuff in bloody great unwieldy binders. Required materials > (such as 3-view drawings or reference photos) can be copied and sent to > you for nothing, unless you want color copies or a thick stack of > reference, in which case a nominal reimbursement is 'customary'. > Anything in particular you need at the moment? > > Riordan the Librarian Hey Rio, Ernest here. Don't need anything at the moment(except the courage to really start on my vac. alb.dIII.) Robert Karr is going to be sending me some drawings for the N.28 and that will have me set for a while. But I'll make sure I don't forget your offer. I have a small collection of ref.books but I also have about 100 photos from 2 years of the Aerodrome WWI Fly-in that was help in Alabama(until the sponser got killed in a plane crash. A sad day for all of us.) So let me know if YOU ever need anything. Thanks. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:26:04 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980107132604.006bf384@philonline.com.ph> At 12:01 AM 1/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >Did you know that the Smer Ansaldo SVA DOES NOT-repeat NOT have the >insignia embossed on the plastic? Because that's always been the >hemoroid in my modeling life too. But the wings are all wrong anyway. the fuselage is just right, though..... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 00:07:59 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <34B31BBF.459C@bellsouth.net> Joey Valenciano wrote: > > At 12:01 AM 1/7/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >Did you know that the Smer Ansaldo SVA DOES NOT-repeat NOT have the > >insignia embossed on the plastic? Because that's always been the > >hemoroid in my modeling life too. > > But the wings are all wrong anyway. > > the fuselage is just right, though..... > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* Wrong how? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:30:22 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the very Ugly - 1916 Message-ID: <78313038.34b320ff@aol.com> I've found the ugliest airplane of all time!(or at least my candidate)- the Siemens Schuckert DDr.I.It's a push-pull twin engined triplane with double rudders.Picture an unholy hybrid of a Farman pusher as a triplane with an additional engine stuck on the front of the nacelle.Yikes(although kinda cute in a really sick way) Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 01:23:01 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: The Ugly Message-ID: <34B32D55.F2E@bellsouth.net> Like R.K., I only have a candidate for the ugliest; The L.V.G. D-V Scout. It's on page 332a in the Jane's 1919 for those who have said book. At least in my copy which is the '69 reprint. Do the newer editions come with all the advertisments? E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 01:45:37 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: Off subject- The weather Message-ID: <34B332A1.73C1@bellsouth.net> Hey everybody, I'm in New Orleans LA and we're having a real Rath-o-God flood of biblical proportions here right now. I'm trying to round up pairs of animals for the ark. Think I'll correct Noah's mistake and leave the chihuahuas behind this time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 06:44:21 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: The Ugly Message-ID: <34B36A95.415E@worldnet.att.net> The SPAD A.4 has to be one of the scariest contraptions ever devised. I don't think it was new for 1916 though. John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:00:03 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: One More Done Message-ID: <199801070429.WAA00504@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Finished up rigging the Eduard 1/48 Sopwith Triplane last night. Boy are my eyes getting bad! A little touch up tonight should complete it. FWIW to those who will be building this one, I had more trouble getting the wings on the Tripe than I did with the Star Strutter! As I built this one "for pleasure" out of box, I have not compared the model with drawings, so these comments are based on the kit "as is". Had a little trouble getting the rear fuselage trimmed to accept the resin tailplane. The trick is to enlarge the area to receive it without screwing up the "flatness" of the area, so it fits level. Absolutely necessary if you use super glue to attach it, since you only have one shot to get it in place. Getting the wings on was the headache. The inner struts are a little too long, or the wing struts are a little short--depends on your point of view. The strut attachment areas on the middle wing need to be adjusted so they fit the strut's angle--they are molded at 90 degrees, no slant! The lower attachment area of the wing struts are molded to fit a flat wing surface, not the airfoil shape of the wing. I first got the inner struts glued in place. The top wing was next. I then was able to slid the wing struts over the middle wings, and insert the wing & strut. The wing strut was glued, and then friction kept the middle wing in place (after adjusting) until glued to the struts. I completed the rigging over a few days time. Easier said than done! Doesn't look too bad for a shelf-sitter. I think my next project (after a non-topic one) will be the Hobbycraft Nie 17. Should be just the thing for my not-so-nimble fingers to build and rig! :-) Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:16:02 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: FWIW Message-ID: <199801070444.WAA00723@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Just thought I would share this information. Every Sunday, our newspaper runs an archive photo with a little historical data. Last Sunday, it was a picture of a WW1 vet (Pvt. Arthur C. King, serial #1435801) dressed in his fatigues for a Veteran's Day parade in 1977. This is some of what was said in the article: "Before and during the war, anti-German sentiment erupted in Nebraska. The State Council of Defense held the power to mobilize rescources, subpeona witnesses, punish for contempt and compel people to present evidence to prove or disprove their American loyalty. A Grand Island grocer posted a sign requiring customers to speak only English, and German Lutheran ministers were forbidden to preach in German."----A lot of Germans settled in this area, my grandparents included. "The Almanac for Nebraskans (1939) reported that Nebraska furnished 47,801 men, about 1,000 of whom died in service. Monetarily, the state gave approximately $300 million." Just gives us something to think about. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:40:19 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION! Message-ID: <199801071427.OAA23496@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Hey Bill Shatzer, > > Ernest Thomas here. I opened my '56 Aroura sopwith as per your > suggestion ........ aaarghh! - hope you didn't open any bottles of '26 Latour at the same time! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:56:09 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: New Thread: Worst Pilot Award! Message-ID: <199801071427.OAA23501@beryl.sol.co.uk> > My vote for the worst molded pilot goes to the SMER, DH-2 pilot. Most > homely chap ever created in plastic. > Matt Z While there are many worse moulded pilots, the one that always gave me nightmares as a kid was the Aurora Camel driver. This guy was supposed to be Roy Brown, champion of champions, slayer of the foul Red Baron, hero of the Empire - he should have had Chuck Heston's jaw, James Garner's neck and Robert Redford's periwinkle blue eyes. - Instead he looked like the model for Edvard Munch's "The Scream"!!!!!! I was astonished years later to find pictures of Brown and find he was a reglular guy - OK his nerves were so shot after the war that he couldn't even drive a car, but I still don't think that Aurora should have shown him as an eight foot long stick insect with abdominal problems, scary eyes and a screaming rictus. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:20:08 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Book info.. Message-ID: <199801071427.OAA23510@beryl.sol.co.uk> > My thanks to all of those who answered my ques.abt good illustrated > reference books. ..... Charlie A late response Charlie. I suggest if you are just starting back into the hobby you need something fairly general to start with. Later you can add the expensive specific tomes as you decide more of what you are primarily interested in. The Munson books are about as good as you will get and should be available fairly easily and not too expensively - they usually sell over here for less than 10GBP each. Other general books would include the whole series of books and publications which originated from the Purnell "History of the World Wars" series. These are published here by a number of companies such as Phoebus Books, Salamander Books, etc, and individual titles are usually only a couple of pounds. The most general is probably "Warplanes and Air Battles of WW1". These may be frowned on by the anal-retentives but take no notice; much is good, much is very good and they are cheap and readily available. Above all these volumes fill the reader with enthusiasm and help you decide where you want to go next. Sandy ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 834 *********************