WWI Digest 832 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) MPM Brandenburg W.29 (erratum) by Shane Weier 2) Re: Aurora DH4 by KarrArt 3) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by Matthew Zivich 4) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by Mick Fauchon 5) Re: MPM Brandenburg W.29 (part 5 and final) by Hirohisa Ozaki 6) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 7) Re: Possible early French 3-color variation by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 8) Baumer's Nie.17 by Joey Valenciano 9) Book Query by "S.M.Sundberg" 10) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by mbittner@juno.com 11) RE: Smer(Aurora) Rules by Shane Weier 12) Re: Book Query by Carlos Valdes 13) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by Mick Fauchon 14) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by KarrArt 15) RE: Smer(Aurora) Rules by Mick Fauchon 16) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Mick Fauchon 17) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 18) Re: Baumer's Nie.17 by Mick Fauchon 19) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 20) Re: Kit of the Year by DavidL1217 21) Re: Kit of the Year by DavidL1217 22) RE: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by Shane Weier 23) Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 by KarrArt 24) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by KarrArt 25) Re: New Thread/WWI Calendars by Shane Weier 26) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by Ernest Thomas 27) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 28) Help with F2A info by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 29) Re: Smer(Aurora) & Testors (Hawk) rules, but don't write off AMT. by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 30) Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules by mbittner@juno.com 31) Re: Kit of the Year by mbittner@juno.com 32) Re: Help with F2A info by B-A-L ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:30:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: MPM Brandenburg W.29 (erratum) Message-ID: <199801052241.IAA01329@mimmon.mim.com.au> oops! I didn't you know. I used the kit *aileron* horns. Duh. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:13:06 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Aurora DH4 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-05 16:59:30 EST, you write: << Bob Pearson wrote: > > Ooh, good question ! ! ! ! ! I'm guessing Liberty would be the most likely. Riordan >> Nope! 'Tis the RR Eagle with the early built up turtle.The radiator grill pattern vaguely resembles the Liberty but it's somewhat crude anyway.The good thing is the overall Eagle nose contours. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:31:47 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Bob Pearson wrote: > > Ooh, good question ! ! ! ! ! > > Bob Pearson I don't remember off-hand. My immediate guess is a Liberty engine, but I'll check my "Scale Aircraft Drawing" book. As stated in the preface of this re-release, many of(Aurora's) models were based on the drawings in this publication. Those familiar with the Auroras and this book will see how two mistakes don't make a right, if you get my drift. Matt Z> > ---------- > > From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules > > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:20:43 -0500 > > > > KarrArt wrote: > > > > > As always extra work can be done on things like guns,wheels,prop, and > > > engine, but the basics are there! > > > > Is the Aurora/Glencoe an RAF,BHP,Eagle or Liberty-engined version? > > > > Riordan > > -- > > --------------------------------------- > > This e-mail has been brought to you by > > - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - > > ***************************** > > Great Gift Ideas at > > Jewels of the Silk Road > > http://www.silkroadjewels.com > > ***************************** > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:42:55 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: > Wasn't that built-in rear wind screen fantastic!!!! Oh! Is that what it was? A windscreen?! 80) If you really want to punish yourself, try converting it to a Ne.16. Now that I've been prompted onto the subject of Nieuports, I've started the Ne.11->Ni.16 conversion......hey! there's so much in bringing the kit up to scratch [no pun intended!], that a conversion really isn't a problem, and it isn't all that difficult. The one I've chosen is a captured one flown by Gustav Leffers. Second choice is a captured Ne.17 flown by our old friend Paul B"aumer. Major bummer! The only kit available is the dreadful Hawk/Testors "offering" [sacrifice?], but it should turn out OK. Third is a captured Ne.11, which is a really interesting case: it was an unarmed evaluation machine, and appears to have undergone a major overhaul; amongst other things, all the exits for the cable-runs have been reinforced with large leather patches, and all the panels fwd. of the cock- pit seem to have been replaced with varnished plywood [in conjunction with clear-doped fabric...yum-o!!], but I'm prepared to take advice on that if anyone else is familiar with the machine. Unarmed, BTW, whereas B"aumer's machine retained its Lewis [!] gun. I'm beginning to wish I'd never started to read this thread!! 80) That should get me into enough trouble until next New Year 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:26:13 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: MPM Brandenburg W.29 (part 5 and final) Message-ID: <199801060028.JAA01251@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Shane, Congratulation! Your reports is most helpful for me. Another list members? I should be careful about struts assembly. Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:08:00 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <34B183F0.7E01@ricochet.net> Matthew Zivich wrote: > > O.K., I'll bite. What's wrong with the Dr.I? (I bet you thought no one > would ever ask. Nothing, other than the Manfred von Richtofen Syndrome (MvRS for short. Probably the most over-represented copy (WAY to many models of this one built) of a fine Sopwith aircraft due to it having been Ricky's last mount. Depending on who you talk to, MvR is either the best thing or the worst thing that happened in WWI aviation. Best because he's generated at least superficial interest in our particular obsession, worst because popular culture fixates on the very small fraction of the first air war that belonged to him and all the other glamorized fighter pilots. > And I might add I feel pretty good about the filing, filling and sanding it took to create the proper contour of the > body and the necessary fore & aft fairings. Interesting. I decided to shine the wing fairing problem in favor of correcting the struts and wing incidence. I used the controversial "Scale Aircraft Drawings" for a guide,and found them to be very helpful, especially for interior detail. I'd encourage you to refer to other sources, especially for the exhaust manifold, if you intend to fool with that. Cheers, Riordan -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:16:34 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Possible early French 3-color variation Message-ID: <34B185F2.2D78@ricochet.net> BTW, although a bit reddish, Floquil Italian brown is a fair match for French 'drab' brown. Also, Pactra topside green is pretty close to 'drab' green. These are matched to colors of Nieuport color plates in FMP French book. FWIW, Testor's Field drab is my choice for khaki, although this could just as well be any other species of greenish earth tone. -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:15:13 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Baumer's Nie.17 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980106091513.006d76bc@philonline.com.ph> Hi Mick, How did Baumer's Nie.17 look like? How was it marked? > Second choice is a captured Ne.17 flown by our old friend Paul >B"aumer. Major bummer! The only kit available is the dreadful Hawk/Testors >"offering" [sacrifice?], but it should turn out OK. >B"aumer's machine retained its Lewis [!] gun. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:40:08 -0600 From: "S.M.Sundberg" To: wwi Subject: Book Query Message-ID: <34B18B76.2FDA@netins.net> Zenith Books has "The Red Baron's Last Flight," by Franks & Bennett. Yes, I know it's more about MvR, but is it worth the $24.95 they are asking. Steve S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:00:13 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <19980105.200101.4302.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:42:00 -0500 Mick Fauchon writes: > If you really want to punish yourself, try converting it to a >Ne.16. > Now that I've been prompted onto the subject of Nieuports, >I've >started the Ne.11->Ni.16 conversion......hey! there's so much in >bringing the >kit up to scratch [no pun intended!], that a conversion really isn't a Could you supply your sources for all Nieuports you mentioned in this message? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:13:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <199801060222.MAA07415@mimmon.mim.com.au> Mick (as is his wont) says a lot ;-) so (snip) > Second choice is a captured Ne.17 flown by our old friend Paul >B"aumer. Major bummer! The only kit available is the dreadful Hawk/Testors >"offering" [sacrifice?], but it should turn out OK. Gross calumny !! The Hawk Nie 17 is really quite a good basis for a nice Nieuport. Of course, there are about two foolscap pages of changes needed to make a really accurate 17, but for a kit which is older than *I*, and which you will know from your early middle age , it isn't *that* bad Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 01:04:39 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Book Query Message-ID: <34AF2677.2863@conted.gatech.edu> > Zenith Books has "The Red Baron's Last Flight," by Franks & Bennett. > Yes, I know it's more about MvR, but is it worth the $24.95 they are > asking. Steve, I picked up the book while in London last month. I haven't started reading it yet but can say that it looks like is a must have for anyone who has any interest in the Baron at all. Well illustrated and full of details, it aims at being the definitive work on the subject (and probably succeeeds, judging from the main author's previous work). Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:24:02 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: Matt, > Could you supply your sources for all Nieuports you mentioned in this > message? No! No!! Stand back, villeins! I wanted to be secretive abouot this one! 80) Of course, I'll have the references for you [pl.] in the morning. Jeez, a bloke can't keep anything a secret any more 80( Grunt! Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:10:49 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-05 21:19:48 EST, you write: << Gross calumny !! The Hawk Nie 17 is really quite a good basis for a nice Nieuport. Of course, there are about two foolscap pages of changes needed to make a really accurate 17, but for a kit which is older than *I*, and which you will know from your early middle age , it isn't *that* bad Shane >> Sometimes this venerable kit can be had for as little as $5 US.The basics are there for really great accurate model.The plastic is pleasant to work with and ANYTHING beats rasslin' with resin or vac.Give me 2 good fuselage shell halves, 2 good wings, a set of wheels and a good cowl and I'm set. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:41:04 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: Shane, > Gross calumny !! Yes, I'm good at that 80) The Hawk Nie 17 is really quite a good basis > for a nice Nieuport. Of course, there are about two foolscap pages of > changes needed to make a really accurate 17, See! It's just that I've got a thing lately about sawing bodgey engines out of cowlings......and filling in trenches.....not to mention eradicating raised decal stations. But you're right, it's a good basis. especially for under $A10. > older than *I*, and which you will know from your early middle age :-) Thank you, sir; you're most kind. I feel better already. > , it isn't *that* bad Agreed. This particular bird is intersting in the respect that the bottom 1/3 of the cowling has been cut away for cooling, `a la Nie.11. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:57:13 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: > :-) > , it isn't *that* bad > Sometimes this venerable kit can be had for as little as $5 US.The basics are > there for really great accurate model.The plastic is pleasant to work with and Aw, thanks Rob, I needed that! I'm eating my my hat.....can you hear me? My *hat*! Jeez! 80) and a good cowl and I'm set. Oh, alright.....it's a good cowl.....once you hack the dreadful engine out of it. 80) Actually, it's most woeful feature is the "pilot". I'll quit now.....don't beat me more 80) Sniff! Snivel! Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:13:53 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <199801060413.AA13851@ednet1.orednet.org> Riordan writes (about the Aurora DH-4 kit): >Is the Aurora/Glencoe an RAF,BHP,Eagle or Liberty-engined version? 'Tis, according to foggy memory, a Liberty-engined version. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:23:23 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Baumer's Nie.17 Message-ID: > How did Baumer's Nie.17 look like? How was it marked? Et tu, Brute? All will be revealed tomorrow, he hinted darkly......80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:19:55 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <199801060419.AA18705@ednet1.orednet.org> Matthew Zivich writes: > >O.K., I'll bite. What's wrong with the Dr.I? (I bet you thought no one >would ever ask). The biggest problem, and the one that really can't be fixed, is that it is closer to 1/43 scale rather than 1/48. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:24:14 EST From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: Kit of the Year Message-ID: <320effb6.34b1b1f4@aol.com> No. the divorce involves the owner of Elan minatures. Eacock, Elan and PP airparts were working jointly on the Halberstadt. PP which was to do the molding went bust, we know what has happened with Elan. Mike would like his masters back. The Elan minatures range went to Reheat. What about the Halberstadt? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:28:15 EST From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: Kit of the Year Message-ID: Really depends on how you buy them and what you want. The skybirds have accurate interiors, better struts, and finer features. In addtion, the Pegasus and Blue Max kits need an awlful lot of reengineering. The Skybirds kits are probably the best engineered kits. In addition, you get multible markings. (Not as good as the Meikraft Pfalz, but a good selection.) It's $35 vs. $20. How much reworking you want to do? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:15:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <199801060526.PAA12783@mimmon.mim.com.au> Robert, >>Sometimes this venerable kit can be had for as little as $5 US.The basics are >>there for really great accurate model.The plastic is pleasant to work with and >>ANYTHING beats rasslin' with resin or vac.Give me 2 good fuselage shell >>halves, 2 good wings, a set of wheels and a good cowl and I'm set. Part of my love of this kit may have to do with the newsagent who sold me 4 of them at A$2 each (about US$1.30 at todays rates) a little over 2 years back. I started correcting one, but the Eduard flood enticed me away. Just the same, you are quite right, the basis *is* there for a nice model Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:54:02 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora)Hawk N.17 Message-ID: <2f04c4db.34b1c6fc@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-05 22:54:42 EST, you write: << Actually, it's most woeful feature is the "pilot". I'll quit now.....don't beat me more 80) Sniff! Snivel! Mick. >> Ok Ok- I agree.That pilot is perhaps the WORST piece ever ever molded in the history of mankind. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:54:04 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <85557028.34b1c6fe@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-05 23:21:18 EST, you write: << >Is the Aurora/Glencoe an RAF,BHP,Eagle or Liberty-engined version? 'Tis, according to foggy memory, a Liberty-engined version. >> Perhaps you're thinking of the exceedingly crappy AMT kit of a "DH-4" in "1/48"?That truly was a monstrosity.It sorta kinda vaguely almost coulda maybe been a Liberty version. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:12:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: Re: New Thread/WWI Calendars Message-ID: <199801060623.QAA14425@mimmon.mim.com.au> Robert asks in reply to my post >> For what it's worth there's a rather nice calendar of Aviation Art which >> I *believe* is entirely WW1 released by *I think* the National >> Aeronautical and Space Museum of Australia. In any even, it's available >> at my local Military Bookshop (Napoleons) for A$20 or thereabouts. If >> anyone is interested let me know and i'll do a recce and give you more >> info >Yeah, I'm always curious about things like this- if it's an art calender, I'd >like to know who did the work I had a look yesterday. The calendar is indeed of all WW1 aviation art. The 12 paintings are by Norman Clifford, and were commissioned by Hawker de Havilland Australia in 1988 in tribute to the Australian aviator and Hawker founder, Harry Hawker. The largest of the original paintings is 4 feet by 5 feet; the subjects vary widely but IIRC they are mostly -but not all - AFC subjects The calendar itself is about 12 x 16 landscape format (maybe a little larger) on what appears to be good quality stock and costs A$22 or between US$14 and US$15 at our current disgraceful exchange rate. Its published for the RAAF Museum Point Cook, part of NASMA. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 00:10:30 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <34B1CAD6.46A@bellsouth.net> KarrArt wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-05 23:21:18 EST, you write: > > << >Is the Aurora/Glencoe an RAF,BHP,Eagle or Liberty-engined version? > > 'Tis, according to foggy memory, a Liberty-engined version. > >> > Perhaps you're thinking of the exceedingly crappy AMT kit of a "DH-4" in > "1/48"?That truly was a monstrosity.It sorta kinda vaguely almost coulda maybe > been a Liberty version. > Robert Hey! I have one of those and I was looking forward to building it someday. Now you ruined it. sniff! E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:14:04 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <199801060714.AA10148@ednet1.orednet.org> Robert writes: >In a message dated 98-01-05 23:21:18 EST, you write: > ><< >Is the Aurora/Glencoe an RAF,BHP,Eagle or Liberty-engined version? > > 'Tis, according to foggy memory, a Liberty-engined version. >Perhaps you're thinking of the exceedingly crappy AMT kit of a "DH-4" in >"1/48"?That truly was a monstrosity.It sorta kinda vaguely almost coulda maybe >been a Liberty version. No, less than foggy memory remembers the AMT kit as a Liberty- engined DH-4B. My foggy memory of the Aurora DH-4 (definitely no "B") is separate from that of the AMT kit. Alas, I have no Aurora DH-4 down in my basement to check out - so foggy memory is all that remains available. Still, I do distinctly recall mention that the Aurora kit represented an early Liberty-engined DH-4 with the curved rear deck. What I can't recall (through foggy memory) is whether or not I actually checked this out and compared the kit against the various drawings. Do not laugh, young ones! Someday you too will approach old age and suffer as well from foggy memory syndrome. Cheers - and may you never suffer from foggy memory! -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:38:24 -0800 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Help with F2A info Message-ID: <34B306C0.6FD4@connectorsystems.co.nz> Hi folks Having got to the stage where the decking needs to go on the Fuselage of the Felixstowe, I've hit a problem - I've got no definitive information on the layout of the instruments in the cockpit. If need be I can fudge it from typical practice at the time, but I'm not sure of which way I should go in designing my own setup if this is necessary. Might I take advantage of the list's collective knowledge and wisdom and ask whether anyone has drawings or photos of the office, or failing that, whether anyone has any special insights into the likely arrangements? Aidrian (PS apologies for the Cheap Trick stuff, I had intended to send that privately. I won't do it again , 'onest guv'nor.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 00:12:12 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) & Testors (Hawk) rules, but don't write off AMT. Message-ID: <34B1E75C.79A1@ricochet.net> Bill Shatzer wrote: > > No, less than foggy memory remembers the AMT kit as a Liberty- > engined DH-4B. Ah, but the crappy AMT kit can be the basis for either a DH9 or 9A. I'll probably opt for the Ninack. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 04:49:06 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer(Aurora) Rules Message-ID: <19980106.045115.4238.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:22:32 -0500 Mick Fauchon writes: > No! No!! Stand back, villeins! I wanted to be secretive abouot >this one! 80) > > Of course, I'll have the references for you [pl.] in the >morning. Jeez, a bloke can't keep anything a secret any more 80( What do you expect when you post these things to the list? Gads... :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 04:42:50 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Kit of the Year Message-ID: <19980106.045115.4238.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:54:34 -0500 DavidL1217 writes: > Really depends on how you buy them and what you want. > > The skybirds have accurate interiors, better struts, and finer > features. In addtion, the Pegasus and Blue Max kits need an > awlful lot of reengineering. The Skybirds kits are probably the > best engineered kits. In addition, you get multible markings. > (Not as good as the Meikraft Pfalz, but a good selection.) It's > $35 vs. $20. How much reworking you want to do? I would have to disagree on one thing. Most Pegasus kits do *not* need a lot of reengineering. If the kits are accurate (and besides the Albatros D.III, are) then all that needs to be added is a cockpit. Most newer Pegasus have come with struts - if those struts are 'N', 'V', or something besides straight struts. You don't get that luxury (that I'm aware of - please correct me if I'm wrong) with Skybirds. I agree that Skybirds are engineered really well, but I have already spent more than $25 on a *single seat fighter* (the later Atelier Noix Toycraft Berg resins) and sorry, but I refuse to do it again. Again, just MHO, YMMV. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 23:21:23 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: Help with F2A info Message-ID: <34B2BC73.3B95@eis.net.au> Aidrian What references do you have for the Felixstowe - Ive got a few GA drawings via Bill Bacon and Bob Pearson ( bless them ) and did you get the Aug + Sept issues of Aeroplane ( the UK glossy cover mag ) which did a special on Felixtowes ? The copy plans I have do show some of the " office " - If there's not going to be a duplication perforce of being pre empted by the usual flood of List generosity VERY Happy to help with what I've got !!! DAVID ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 832 *********************