WWI Digest 828

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: WWI Fighter Bombers
	by Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
  2) Re: WW1 Fighter Bombers
	by Crofoot <crow@computerpro.com>
  3) Re: To rich for my blood...
	by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
  4) Re: New Thread/WWI Calendars
	by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
  5) Re: New Thread/WWI Calendars
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
  6) Re: New Thread/WWI Calendars
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
  7) Re: Son of mailing weirdness
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
  8) Fokker D.VII
	by "Gary Hackney" <ghackney@iglou.com>
  9) Looking for Jane's
	by "Gary Hackney" <ghackney@iglou.com>
 10) Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms]
	by "Scott M. Head" <smh@iapc.net>
 11) Re: Vac-forms, AVRO's and W-29 Question
	by "Charles Duckworth" <cnlduckwor@ninenet.com>
 12) Re: Looking for Jane's
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 13) Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms]
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 14) Re: New Thread/WWI Calendars
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 15) Message kickbacks
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 16) HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION!
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 17) Re: Looking for Jane's
	by lothar@televar.com (mark)
 18) Re: Cheap trick - wow!(but connected!)
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 19) Paint inter-reactions
	by Suvoroff <Suvoroff@aol.com>
 20) Re: HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION!
	by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
 21) Re: Paint inter-reactions
	by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
 22) Re: Paint inter-reactions
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 23) Re: Paint inter-reactions
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 24) Nicknames (was Message kickbacks)
	by Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
 25) Re: Paint inter-reactions
	by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett)
 26) Re: Message kickbacks
	by John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
 27) Re: Paint inter-reactions
	by John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
 28) Re: Nicknames (was Message kickbacks)
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 29) Re: Paint inter-reactions
	by "Leonard Endy" <lfendy@firstsaga.com>
 30) Re: Vac-forms, W-29 Question
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 31) Re: Looking for Jane's
	by "Don RInker" <drinker@fast.net>
 32) Re: Paint inter-reactions
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:19:37 -0500
From: Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi>
Subject: Re: WWI Fighter Bombers
Message-ID: <199801021519_MC2-2DD4-F2A9@compuserve.com>

Matt wrote:

>I believe there was also an article on a Windsock, but I can't
seem to find it in my database.
<

The rocket article was Avions-torpilleurs by Harry Woodman in Windsock
Vol10/3.

Regards,

Geoff

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:01:15 -0600
From: Crofoot <crow@computerpro.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: WW1 Fighter Bombers
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980102190115.007dc340@computerpro.com>


For anyone that's interested, the Schiffer book "German Guided Missiles" by
Nowarra has a photo on page 3 of a Halberstadt D-II with rocket launchers
on the interplane struts.

Tim Crofoot

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:16:57 -0500
From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: To rich for my blood...
Message-ID: <199801030116.UAA08559@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

At 02:05 PM 1/2/98 -0500, David Couvillon wrote:
>David Couvillon
>Major of Marines, Righter of Wrongs, 
>Wrong most of the time,
        Nice end line. My daughter in kindergarten used to say he dad's job
was to "Right Wrongs. Defends the defenseless. And to Defeat the
defeatless." Wonder where she got that from......
Mike Muth



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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:23:45 -0500
From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: New Thread/WWI Calendars
Message-ID: <199801030123.UAA08612@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

At 08:27 AM 12/31/97 -0500, Paul Schwartzkopf wrote:
>What about a list collaboration to turn out one for 1999?  We still might 
>be able to get 1998, too.  Any inputs or volunteers?

Paul
        I'd be willing to pull some factoids from RFC Communiques, etc. to
put in big events for each day. As for my artistic ability, I consider
stick-men a major artistic triumph.
Mike Muth



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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:34:58 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: New Thread/WWI Calendars
Message-ID: <01345883615827@KAIEN.COM>


Greetings All,

I could let a profile go for such a project.

Regards,
     Bob Pearson

----------
> From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: New Thread/WWI Calendars
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:23:58 -0500
> 
> At 08:27 AM 12/31/97 -0500, Paul Schwartzkopf wrote:
> >What about a list collaboration to turn out one for 1999?  We still might

> >be able to get 1998, too.  Any inputs or volunteers?
> 
> Paul
>         I'd be willing to pull some factoids from RFC Communiques, etc. to
> put in big events for each day. As for my artistic ability, I consider
> stick-men a major artistic triumph.
> Mike Muth
> 
> 


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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:19:03 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Thread/WWI Calendars
Message-ID: <57baf43.34ada019@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-01-02 20:37:43 EST, you write:

<< Greetings All,
 
 I could let a profile go for such a project.
 
 Regards,
      Bob Pearson >>
Oh well and yeah yeah- sure, why not? I suppose I could kick in a painting or
some piece of vaguely "artistic" output.Somebody organize it and tell me what
to do(I can barely organize my toes enough to get my socks applied)
Robert

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:48:37 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Son of mailing weirdness
Message-ID: <21c483f7.34ada707@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-01-02 14:00:13 EST, you write:

<< Some clot has probably forgotten to turn his mail off over the holidays
 and his mailbox has filled up - the messages are getting to the list,
 but not fom the list to the subscriber. The bouce message is coming back
 to the sender rather than to our dear leader and beloved listmeister.
 
 Perhaps it might be agood idea to unsubscribe said chap in the meantime?
 
 A? >>
It's still happening- My postings are getting to the list but always
accompanied a few minutes later by a return from this address :
phil@indigo1.umaryland.edu. Who is this Phil and why?
Robert

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:30:04 -0500
From: "Gary Hackney" <ghackney@iglou.com>
To: "WWI Modeling List" <wwi>
Subject: Fokker D.VII
Message-ID: <E0xoKPb-0002bn-00@iglou.com>

I've read in several places about the D.VII's ability to "hang by its
propeller" and get good shots into the belly of enemy planes.  What is it
about the D.VII that allowed it to do this?  It wasn't any lighter or
better powered than other planes of the period.  Something about the center
of gravity? Wing shape? Low stall speed? Or was this just a mis-perception
and the Fokker wasn't able to stay nose-high any better than the other
planes?
Gary Hackney

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:24:44 -0500
From: "Gary Hackney" <ghackney@iglou.com>
To: "WWI Modeling List" <wwi>
Subject: Looking for Jane's
Message-ID: <E0xoKPa-0002bn-00@iglou.com>

Anyone know where I can get a copy of Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War
One?  No one had any luck finding it for me for Christmas (although I did
get lucky and receive four of the Munson books).  And if I find it, how
much should it cost?  I'm in Kentucky and would prefer not to deal with
overseas shipping.
Gary Hackney

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:45:55 -0600
From: "Scott M. Head" <smh@iapc.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms]
Message-ID:  <9801022145.aa12229@mail.iapc.net>

>Ernest:
>        There are three pretty good articles about this by Scott Head in the
>articles section of the IPMS Houston web site.  They are part of Scott's
>"Skeet Sheet" column.  Try it at http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh/
>Also, our own Joey Valenciano has put forth the idea for a vacuum making
>treatise on the WW1 modeling page.
>
>        Hope this helps.

Hi Ernest! (and Thanks for the plug, John!)

I'll be adding a couple more vac related articles from the "Skeet Sheet"
soon too, maybe February if you can wait. Otherwise, just keep in mind that
once the parts are removed from the backing sheet and sanded down it's
pretty much a standard kit. I've actually saved myself a lot of time
sanding lately with an unorthodox method- after scoring the parts and
snapping them from the backing sheet, just trim off the excess carefully
with a new X-acto blade- though not yielding superbly even results, a light
sanding will true up the mating surfaces pretty good. I'd rather use a bit
of filler for small imperfections than spend all day sanding in the time
honored way.

Cheers!


Scott M. Head
IPMS/Houston
IPMS/USA 32841
smh@iapc.net

IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum: http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh



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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:58:43 -0800
From: "Charles Duckworth" <cnlduckwor@ninenet.com>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Vac-forms, AVRO's and W-29 Question
Message-ID: <199801030357.VAA14324@mail.primary.net>

Took a day's vacation today and got up around 7:00 am with cup of coffee
and started rigging the AVRO, finished about 90% now need to paint AVRO on
the bottom wings in bold characters.  Someone ought to reissue these old
Inpact kits (Glencoe maybe??) they make up into nice pre-WWI aircraft.

Looked at Sierra's W-29 (I'd asked Santa to bring) and Scott's articles
were a big help in deciding this model has to be next up after two other
'started but unfinished' kits get built.  Forgot about the change in the
wing ribbing one depth to another narrower cord.  Have anyone built this
plane and and suggestions as to it's assembly.         



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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:45:13 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Looking for Jane's
Message-ID: <34ADC259.670D@bellsouth.net>

Gary Hackney wrote:
> 
> Anyone know where I can get a copy of Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War
> One?  No one had any luck finding it for me for Christmas (although I did
> get lucky and receive four of the Munson books).  And if I find it, how
> much should it cost?  I'm in Kentucky and would prefer not to deal with
> overseas shipping.
> Gary Hackney

Hey Gary,

I recently found a reprint of the 1919 Jane's for about twenty dollars
U.S., The spine was broke so it really wasn't worth that much but I
wasn't going to pass it up. Good luck on your search.

E.

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:47:07 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms]
Message-ID: <34ADC2CB.6235@bellsouth.net>

Scott M. Head wrote:
> 
> >Ernest:
> >        There are three pretty good articles about this by Scott Head in the
> >articles section of the IPMS Houston web site.  They are part of Scott's
> >"Skeet Sheet" column.  Try it at http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh/
> >Also, our own Joey Valenciano has put forth the idea for a vacuum making
> >treatise on the WW1 modeling page.
> >
> >        Hope this helps.
> 
> Hi Ernest! (and Thanks for the plug, John!)
> 
> I'll be adding a couple more vac related articles from the "Skeet Sheet"
> soon too, maybe February if you can wait. Otherwise, just keep in mind that
> once the parts are removed from the backing sheet and sanded down it's
> pretty much a standard kit. I've actually saved myself a lot of time
> sanding lately with an unorthodox method- after scoring the parts and
> snapping them from the backing sheet, just trim off the excess carefully
> with a new X-acto blade- though not yielding superbly even results, a light
> sanding will true up the mating surfaces pretty good. I'd rather use a bit
> of filler for small imperfections than spend all day sanding in the time
> honored way.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Scott M. Head
> IPMS/Houston
> IPMS/USA 32841
> smh@iapc.net
> 
> IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum: http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh

Thanks Scott, I'll be checking out your articles in the next day or two.

E.

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 23:59:44 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Thread/WWI Calendars
Message-ID: <34ADD3D0.4693@bellsouth.net>

Paul Schwartzkopf wrote:
> 
> First off, Happy New year to all.
> 
> As far as a calendar goes, I know it may be a little late for this year,
> but what about making our own for next year?  There are several
> artists on our list who have great profiles, and I know that a copy
> service (such as Kinko's) will make calendars for a price.  What
> about a list collaboration to turn out one for 1999?  We still might
> be able to get 1998, too.  Any inputs or volunteers?
> 
> Paul A. Schwartzkopf

Hey Paul,

Re; Calendar. I would gladly offer a picture for a calendar. Let us know
if you get enough interest.

E.

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 00:31:01 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Message kickbacks
Message-ID: <34ADDB25.1EBC@bellsouth.net>

Attn; John C., John G., John K., Matt B., Gary H. and all concerned:

I've sent responses to you guys who have been helpful in some quereies
I've made in the last day or two but they seam(Freudian slip) to to to
have been kicked back. Let me know if the msgs got out there. Thanks.

E.
ethomas6@bellsouth.net

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 00:40:59 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION!
Message-ID: <34ADDD7B.30AD@bellsouth.net>

TO: ALL SUBSCRIBER TO THE WWI MAILING LIST

If you could have ANY ARTIFACT from the WHOLE OF RECORDED HISTORY
but YOU COULD NOT SELL IT, What would it be?

The first person who wants the same thing as me wins ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
except maybe a modicum of my respect which, in this cold cruel world, is
worth less than Atari stock. 

The phones lines are open! Call now!

Ernest.
ethomas6@bellsouth.net

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:37:42 -0800 (PST)
From: lothar@televar.com (mark)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Looking for Jane's
Message-ID: <199801030737.XAA28868@concord.televar.com>

>Anyone know where I can get a copy of Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War
>One?  No one had any luck finding it for me for Christmas (although I did
>get lucky and receive four of the Munson books).  And if I find it, how
>much should it cost?  I'm in Kentucky and would prefer not to deal with
>overseas shipping.
>Gary Hackney

Hi Gary -

Barnes & Noble mail order catalog frequently lists this book as being
available. Would give you their 800 # but I've thrown out the last catalog I
got from them. Got it from B&N in '96 for about $24.95.

Happy New Year to all...

Mark
(Still recovering from a wild New Years Eve with my band at a local ski
resort...somebody wake me up when the 5th rolls around, 'cause I gotta go
back to work!!!)


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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:09:18 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Cheap trick - wow!(but connected!)
Message-ID: <8289e9a8.34adf230@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-01-02 03:55:09 EST, you write:

<< > Robert
 > np:Cheap Trick Live at Budokan
 
 Hell and damnation  - I've not heard that in years (Sounds offstage of
 frantic scrabbling through an ageing vinyl collection) Yeah here it is.
 Time to p#ss off the neighbours big time. HAAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!
 
 Aidrian >>
Yep- so as not to drag the list completely through the degradation of another
round of off-topic musical meanderings I'll tenuously make this posting
somehow connect.
Ah, I CAN connect Cheap Trick to at least a  modeling experience.I once put my
modeling prowess (uh, such as it is) to the band's service.Many many years ago
their guitarist hired me to build a model of the entire band and their stage
setup.Out came the balsa,dowels, plastic sheet,epoxy putty etc..A couple of
months later there was Cheap Trick in 1/8 scale- the guys were all about 9"
tall.The whole stage was around 5' wide.Marshall amps, extra picks stuck to
the mic stand- the whole thing. I used a large portion of the money I made to
buy WW I airplane books! Soon after this I started making pilot figures and
doing more and more scratch building. It's been a long strange modeling trip
from Cheap Trick to the Gotha G IV.( I got the Budokan CD for Christmas- don't
know what happened to my ancient vinyl copy.)
Robert

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:09:32 EST
From: Suvoroff <Suvoroff@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Paint inter-reactions
Message-ID: <69ea1e7e.34adf23e@aol.com>

     Well, I just finished a model (off-topic, so I won't draw the odium of
the group by saying what) and it is the first thing I have ever done in
waterbased paint, to be specific, the new Poly Scale paints.  Now I am
concerned, what will happen if I spray Dulcote over the Poly Scale?  I have
read too much about bad interreactions with different media and I am scared of
the paint wrinkling up on me or the model catching on fire (a joke, kind of)
or something bad like that.  So have other people done this, and if so with
what degree of success?

Yours,
James D. Gray

nb:  Eduard Alb.DV

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 00:18:33 -0800
From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION!
Message-ID: <34ADF459.324B@ricochet.net>

Ernest Thomas wrote:
> 
> TO: ALL SUBSCRIBER TO THE WWI MAILING LIST
> 
> If you could have ANY ARTIFACT from the WHOLE OF RECORDED HISTORY
> but YOU COULD NOT SELL IT, What would it be?
> 
> The first person who wants the same thing as me wins ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
> except maybe a modicum of my respect which, in this cold cruel world, is
> worth less than Atari stock.
> 
> The phones lines are open! Call now!

Hispano-Suiza Tulipwood Speedster (c. late 1920s/early '30s) Someone on
this list knows its proper name.

Riordan

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:26:48 -0800
From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Paint inter-reactions
Message-ID: <199801030826.AA00345@ednet1.orednet.org>



James Gray wrote:

>     Well, I just finished a model (off-topic, so I won't draw the odium of
>the group by saying what) and it is the first thing I have ever done in
>waterbased paint, to be specific, the new Poly Scale paints.  Now I am
>concerned, what will happen if I spray Dulcote over the Poly Scale?  I have
>read too much about bad interreactions with different media and I am scared of
>the paint wrinkling up on me or the model catching on fire (a joke, kind of)
>or something bad like that.  So have other people done this, and if so with
>what degree of success?

Well, I've not tried this specific combination but I've had
no problem applying lacquers or enamels over acrylics or
vice versa so long as I've waited for the "under coat" to
dry completely.

With your specific combination, the best approach might be
to try an experiment on a piece of scrap plastic or on
a less-than-successful model.  This is the best method of
assuring yourself that the specific combination works
without untoward results.  

I am, incidently, not all that taken with straight
Dulcote - a mixture of one part gloss to two parts
dull seems closer suited to a typical WW1 finish -
to my eye, at least.  Straight Dulcote, along with
most of the other "flat" finishes is just too flat -
again, to my eye.

Cheers and all,


--
                 Bill Shatzer  - bshatzer@orednet.org

"This is the West, sir.  When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." 

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 02:33:22 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Paint inter-reactions
Message-ID: <34ADF7D2.6C7F@bellsouth.net>

Suvoroff wrote:
> 
>      Well, I just finished a model (off-topic, so I won't draw the odium of
> the group by saying what) and it is the first thing I have ever done in
> waterbased paint, to be specific, the new Poly Scale paints.  Now I am
> concerned, what will happen if I spray Dulcote over the Poly Scale?  I have
> read too much about bad interreactions with different media and I am scared of
> the paint wrinkling up on me or the model catching on fire (a joke, kind of)
> or something bad like that.  So have other people done this, and if so with
> what degree of success?
> 
> Yours,
> James D. Gray
> 
> nb:  Eduard Alb.DV

James,

Shouldn't be a problem. But test it on a scrap piece if you have doubts.
I've never had a problem with Dulcoat over acryllics but I haven't tried
the Polly Scale brand yet. Let the Polly Scale dry at least overnight
before you spray the Dulcoat. Good luck.

E.

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:00:55 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Paint inter-reactions
Message-ID: <f205da0c.34adfe49@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-01-03 03:11:57 EST, you write:

<< Now I am
 concerned, what will happen if I spray Dulcote over the Poly Scale?  >>
A couple of light coats should be fine- works for me. I HAVE had Dullcote
wrinkle some paints- both water and oil- by trying to rush and spraying one
heavy coat.
Robert

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:23:25 -0500
From: Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi>
Subject: Nicknames (was Message kickbacks)
Message-ID: <199801030623_MC2-2DEC-156A@compuserve.com>


>Attn; John C., John G., John K., Matt B., Gary H. and all concerned:

>I've sent responses to you guys who have been helpful in some quereies
>I've made in the last day or two but they seam(Freudian slip) to to to
>have been kicked back. Let me know if the msgs got out there. Thanks.<

 Can anyone say why all list members don't get ALL bounces rather than ju=
st
their own sends? Let's hope this gets sorted when whomever returns to wor=
k
or we're going to have to think about getting rid of Maryland.

No, that won't work, they'd probably still bounce, it'd have to be Al's
site.

Oh no, that won't work either 'cos we'd get everything bounced
and........................................nobody to talk to. (read ?)

Better leave it till a failsafe solution comes up.

Now business, I've just been reading the first vol of "The Bandy Papers" =
by
Donald Jack ("Three Cheers for me") and halfway through is a reference to=

"Tin Whistles". I've never heard of this, somebody broaden my knowledge
please about nicknames.

Regards,

Geoff

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:51:16 -0500
From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Paint inter-reactions
Message-ID: <v01530501b0d3f0ebeb0f@[207.34.203.33]>

>>
>>      Well, I just finished a model (off-topic, so I won't draw the odium of
>> the group by saying what) and it is the first thing I have ever done in
>> waterbased paint, to be specific, the new Poly Scale paints.  Now I am
>> concerned, what will happen if I spray Dulcote over the Poly Scale?  I have
>> read too much about bad interreactions with different media and I am
>>scared of
>> the paint wrinkling up on me or the model catching on fire (a joke, kind of)
>> or something bad like that.  So have other people done this, and if so with
>> what degree of success?
>>
>> Yours,
>> James D. Gray
>>
>> nb:  Eduard Alb.DV
>

James,

All of my models use this combination (Polly S -or waterbased- paint with
Dulcote over top), and I've had no problems. However, recently, I've
sprayed some gloss on first before decal application to get them to lie
down properly. Spraying Dulcote on after this has caused some problems for
me as a weird cloudy "mottling" effect covers the model as the Dulcote
dries. Very bad after spending so much time on the finish! I'm still trying
to figure this one out, and experimenting a lot. If anyone else has run
into this problem, I'd appreciate their solution (other than going to
future floor wax or alternate "dullcote" covering}. I will try floor wax
eventually, but I'd like to know if my spray combination will work first.

Thanks,

Kevin Barrett.



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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 08:18:57 -0500
From: John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Message kickbacks
Message-ID: <34AE3AC0.4C7B@worldnet.att.net>

Ernest Thomas wrote:
> 
> Attn; John C., John G., John K., Matt B., Gary H. and all concerned:
> 
> I've sent responses to you guys who have been helpful in some quereies
> I've made in the last day or two but they seam(Freudian slip) to to to
> have been kicked back. Let me know if the msgs got out there. Thanks.
> 
> E.
> ethomas6@bellsouth.net


I have seen your messages
John Cyg.

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 08:22:59 -0500
From: John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Paint inter-reactions
Message-ID: <34AE3BB3.79FC@worldnet.att.net>

I have had no issues with dullcote over Polly paint.  I will never go
back to solvent. 

John Cyg.

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 21:45:23 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Nicknames (was Message kickbacks)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980103214523.006b757c@philonline.com.ph>

Hi Geoff,

>Now business, I've just been reading the first vol of "The Bandy Papers" 
>by Donald Jack ("Three Cheers for me") and halfway through is a reference 
>to "Tin Whistles". I've never heard of this, somebody broaden my knowledge
>please about nicknames.

If the "Tin Whistles" you're referring to are aircraft then they're
probably the Breguet U2. I quote from the FMP French book:

"The Breguet U2s of 1913 were tractor biplanes whose unusual shape and
aluminum covering led to their being labeled (although only by the British
Breguet Plane Limited Company) 'tin whistles'. The fuselage of curcular
cross-section, had aluminum skin and terminated in a cruciform all-flying
tail assembly."

".... They served with Escadrille BR 17, which was formed on 2 August 1914
and assigned to the 1st Armee in October 1914. the Breguets saw limited
service on the Alsace front.
.... the unit re-equipped with Voisin 3s to become VB 2 on November 1914."

Span = 13.5m   Length = 8.55m

Anyone have 3 views of this one? A really cool looking tail. A great
scratchbuild project. I'd like to have drawings of this one......



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Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:58:41 GMT
From: "Leonard Endy" <lfendy@firstsaga.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Paint inter-reactions
Message-ID: <34ae6d20.46612534@legend.firstsaga.com>

On Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:53:49 -0500, you wrote:

>me as a weird cloudy "mottling" effect covers the model as the Dulcote
>dries.

Sometimes this problem is attributed to too much moisture in the air.
I encountered it once or twice a few years back. I have also heard
that both Testor's Glosscoat and Dullcoat will go bad eventually. (I'm
not stating this to be fact, just something I've heard over the
years.)

Len Endy
lfendy@firstsaga.com

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 21:17:29 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Vac-forms, W-29 Question
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980103211729.006b622c@philonline.com.ph>

Hi Charlie, et al,

>Looked at Sierra's W-29 and Scott's articles
>were a big help in deciding this model has to be next up after two other
>'started but unfinished' kits get built.  Forgot about the change in the
>wing ribbing one depth to another narrower cord.

I don't understand what you mean, "wing ribbing one depth...." please explain.

>Have anyone built this
>plane and and suggestions as to it's assembly.         

I've part made mine. All flying surfaces done, floats done, all parts
cleaned up, next thing to do would be to detail the interior. Very nice
kit. What'll you do for struts? I'd use the plastic Aeroclub struts for
this one. Nice struts, light grey, has rigidity and a wide assortmenr of
strut sizes in each pack. I haven't checked but I'm sure you'll find the
right strut sizes for this kit.

A few suggestions:

1) Boxy fuselages in vac form always come with the corners rounded. Here's
how I fix this:

1a) Remove fuselage halves from the mega flash and clean up.

1b) Cut a thin strip of 1mm plastic, I suppose you could use the mega flash
scraps.

1c) Super glue this strip lengthwise along the corners of the fuselage.

      |        Cross section view of a fuselage corner. 
      |        The "/\" is the plastic strip.
     /\----         \/
     \/

1d) Use a file to remove the excess "strip" and get the corners nice and
sharp. I'd use a file with a single cutting edge, it leaves a smoother
surface, unlike files with double cutting edges that gouge into the plastic
more.

1e) finish with some fine sandpaper. BTW, the super glue should act as a
filler as well. The sooner you work after the glue has hardened, the easier
it is to work with.


2) You could refine the float shape by using the above technique. But the
rear ends of the floats are incorrect in profile because of vac forming
limitations:

2a) Before removing the floats from the mega flash, coat the insides with a
hardener, one of Scott Head's Skeet Sheet articles advises this. What I did
with my floats was to fill them up with grains of lead and to drip some
super glue to set. I like to add weight to the floats because I feel that
this will help the model sit right. If you do what I did, before pouring
the lead grains in, first apply super glue sparingly to the insides of the
rear float ends, sparingly, because too much glue may eat away at the thin
plastic, but adding the glue will help harden this area.

2b) Remove float tops and bottoms from the mega flash and clean up.

2c) Glue the tops to the bottoms

2d) Glue some .5mm plastic to the rear of the float

  _____________
rear of float /|
 in profile  / |  <- .5mm scrap
  __________/__|

2e) Shape the scrap to the correct rear float profile.

2f) Super glue more scraps of plastic (thinner than .5 would be of help
here I suppose) to the sides to fill out the new rear float shape.

2g) File and sand to refine shape. My rear float ends came out nice and sharp!


I hope these tips will be helpful. BTW, this is more or less the format
that'll be used to construct the vac making treatise. I'll be using a lot
of AASCI (right spelling?) art. How do you find it? Any suggestions?




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Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:59:11 -0500
From: "Don RInker" <drinker@fast.net>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Looking for Jane's
Message-ID: <01bd1858$2638fea0$1399f5ce@default>

The URL you want is BarnesandNoble.Com

I ran a search and they currently  DON"T list it
but it appears often. It's usually about 19.00

PIcture quality is a bit weak. They went overboard
on the contrast in a lot of pics.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Hackney <ghackney@iglou.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Friday, January 02, 1998 10:41 PM
Subject: Looking for Jane's


>Anyone know where I can get a copy of Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War
>One?  No one had any luck finding it for me for Christmas (although I did
>get lucky and receive four of the Munson books).  And if I find it, how
>much should it cost?  I'm in Kentucky and would prefer not to deal with
>overseas shipping.
>Gary Hackney
>


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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:07:04 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Paint inter-reactions
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980103230704.006c544c@philonline.com.ph>

At 09:02 AM 1/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:53:49 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>me as a weird cloudy "mottling" effect covers the model as the Dulcote
>>dries.
>
>Sometimes this problem is attributed to too much moisture in the air.

Moisture in the air from the compressor. A water trap will fix this. I have
a long as hose as possible between the compressor and the water trap.


*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

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