WWI Digest 827 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] by "John Glaser" 2) Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] by John & Allison Cyganowski 3) Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] by Ernest Thomas 5) Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] by Ernest Thomas 6) Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] by Ernest Thomas 7) Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms]Nieuport28 by KarrArt 8) Re: an indulgence? by KarrArt 9) Cheap trick - wow! by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 10) Fw: [Fwd: Vac-forms] by "John Glaser" 11) 97 Nats by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 12) Re: 97 Nats by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: Fw: [Fwd: Vac-forms] by Ernest Thomas 14) Son of mailing weirdness (was Re: Fw: [Fwd: Vac-forms]) by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 15) To rich for my blood... by "David Couvillon" 16) Re: To rich for my blood... by Charles Hart 17) FS: Flying Corps by Carlos Valdes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:38:29 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] Message-ID: <19980102014206.AAA5190@johng> Ernest: There are three pretty good articles about this by Scott Head in the articles section of the IPMS Houston web site. They are part of Scott's "Skeet Sheet" column. Try it at http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh/ Also, our own Joey Valenciano has put forth the idea for a vacuum making treatise on the WW1 modeling page. Hope this helps. - John ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [Fwd: Vac-forms] > Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 6:31 PM > > Message-ID: <34AC1E5E.584B@bellsouth.net> > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:53:18 -0600 > From: Ernest Thomas > Reply-To: ethomas6@bellsouth.net > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; U) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: multiple recipients of list <"wwi"@pease1.sr.unh.edu,> > Subject: Vac-forms > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi Ho Everybody, > > My name is Ernest and I'm a brand new subscriber to the list. I've been > moedling for over 25 years(since I was 5-even through the teenage years > when most of us get distracted by girls). I've always been partial to > WWI and bi-planes but there was so few kits available in 1/48 for so > long. That's changed recently with the few DLM offerings and now with > all the Eduard kits I've been able to focus on my primary interest in > aviation. But I guess that's the same story a lot of us have. > > So now I'm starting on my very first ever Vac-form kit. It's the 1/48 > Albatross DIII from Tom's modelworks. Anybody out there want to share > some advice or tips on building vacs. in general or this model in > particular. I've only cut out the fuselage halves so far, so I still > have a long way to go. Any advice would be most appreciated. > > Also, anybody out made it to the IPMS Nationals in Columbus OH. this > past summer? I entered two DML fokkers in absentia but I didn't win > anything. Que sara! But I heard there was 37 entries in the 1/48 > bi-plane catagory. I would have loved to have seen them in person and my > friends who took my models up there didn't take much notice of what I > was competeing against. Can someone get back to me and tell me what the > field looked like? For those who were there, my entries were the DML > Fokker D-VII(Udet w/lozenge on upper & lower wings) and the DML DrI. > done in the Waldo Pepper Black & Yellow checkerboard scheme. > Thanks. > > Ernest Thomas > aka: Polly Styrene > ethomas6@bellsouth.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 21:07:54 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] Message-ID: <34AC4BFA.6870@worldnet.att.net> Ernest Thomas wrote: > > Hi Ho Everybody, > > My name is Ernest and I'm a brand new subscriber to the list. Hi Ernest, and welcome. I am also a relative newcomer. > > > Also, anybody out made it to the IPMS Nationals in Columbus OH. this > past summer? > I would have loved to have seen them in person and my > friends who took my models up there didn't take much notice of what I > was competeing against. Can someone get back to me and tell me what the > field looked like? I went to the Nats this year. It was good and bad. Good to see such a stunning exercise in art and craftmanship. Bad when I realized that my work is not in the same league. Truly, I was dumbstruck that in this exhibition the models did not run the spectrum. They were simply all good. Shamefacedly I must admit that I did not take a lot of pictures of the WWI field. However, I did take a photo of a SMER DH2 because a friend was wrestling with this very subject. In the background of this shot there is a black and yellow diamonded German Aircraft! Could it be? Again all of these ships were good, but here are the standouts in my mind. 1/72 RE8 - Some madman unwound a ferrite core transistor radio antenna and rigged the airplane with it! The guy had turnbuckles on the rigging as well. 1/72 Ilya Muromets - First time I saw this thing built up. It was beautiful and BIG. I don't even build 1/72 and I was in love with these! 1/48 Sopwith Baby - My least favorite Sopwith and this thing blew me away. Featured a foil laminated cowling complete with that circular buffed effect. The guy laminated the floats with the wood that comes in the metal cigar tubes and varnished it. 1/48 Glencoe/Albatros D.III - Thinking about the effort this madman put into this project is not unlike comtemplating self mutilation. Peculiar yellow spotted scheme. Perhaps Noth's? The ship was beautiful, but they must have had to throw a net over the guy when he was done. Need to hear any more? I had a blast, and having the run of the AF Museum was the highlight. I sat in the pilot, co-pilot and bombardier position in Bock's Car. I looked through the bomb sight and touched the salvo switch that ended WWII. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:57:37 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] Message-ID: <19980101.205820.3974.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:31:06 -0500 Ernest Thomas writes: > Also, anybody out made it to the IPMS Nationals in Columbus OH. > this past summer? I entered two DML fokkers in absentia but I > didn't win anything. Que sara! But I heard there was 37 entries > in the 1/48 bi-plane catagory. I would have loved to have seen > them in person and my friends who took my models up there didn't > take much notice of what I was competeing against. Can someone > get back to me and tell me what the field looked like? For those > who were there, my entries were the DML Fokker D-VII(Udet > w/lozenge on upper & lower wings) and the DML DrI. done in the > Waldo Pepper Black & Yellow checkerboard scheme. Thanks. I was there. No, I didn't take that Braille Scale Dr.I I built. I knew better. ;-) Seriously, there was serious competition all around. While I don't remember the 1/48th category very well (why should I? ;-)), the 1/72nd category was extreme, and a lot of wonderful models. I will never know why I didn't even place - the jerk-off judges weren't around like they should have been (sorry just a little bitter) - plus there were 40+ biplanes in the category, evenly represented between "WW1" and "others", and they didn't split it. That really ticked me off. Even Steve Hustad - who did well anyway - couldn't understand it. Yes, just a little bitter. ;-) I still would have like to know why my Nie.28 didn't make it, because I think it's my best effort to date - but not a Hustad competitor, I admit. :-( Anyway, the D.V that took first and the Mike Fritz award was awesome. It was the Eduard effort, well done even if it was a Brailler :-). Heck, 1994 and 1995 Mike Fritz went to 1/72nd!!! 1996 went to a behemoth (some 1/32nd job) and last year was a Brailler. Maybe we'll take it back in 1998!! Erik? ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:15:03 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] Message-ID: <34AC69C7.6D32@bellsouth.net> John Glaser wrote: > > Ernest: > There are three pretty good articles about this by Scott Head in the > articles section of the IPMS Houston web site. They are part of Scott's > "Skeet Sheet" column. Try it at http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh/ > Also, our own Joey Valenciano has put forth the idea for a vacuum making > treatise on the WW1 modeling page. > > Hope this helps. > > - John > > ---------- > > From: Ernest Thomas > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [Fwd: Vac-forms] > > Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 6:31 PM > > > > Message-ID: <34AC1E5E.584B@bellsouth.net> > > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:53:18 -0600 > > From: Ernest Thomas > > Reply-To: ethomas6@bellsouth.net > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; U) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: multiple recipients of list <"wwi"@pease1.sr.unh.edu,> > > Subject: Vac-forms > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Hi Ho Everybody, > > > > My name is Ernest and I'm a brand new subscriber to the list. I've been > > moedling for over 25 years(since I was 5-even through the teenage years > > when most of us get distracted by girls). I've always been partial to > > WWI and bi-planes but there was so few kits available in 1/48 for so > > long. That's changed recently with the few DLM offerings and now with > > all the Eduard kits I've been able to focus on my primary interest in > > aviation. But I guess that's the same story a lot of us have. > > > > So now I'm starting on my very first ever Vac-form kit. It's the 1/48 > > Albatross DIII from Tom's modelworks. Anybody out there want to share > > some advice or tips on building vacs. in general or this model in > > particular. I've only cut out the fuselage halves so far, so I still > > have a long way to go. Any advice would be most appreciated. > > > > Also, anybody out made it to the IPMS Nationals in Columbus OH. this > > past summer? I entered two DML fokkers in absentia but I didn't win > > anything. Que sara! But I heard there was 37 entries in the 1/48 > > bi-plane catagory. I would have loved to have seen them in person and my > > friends who took my models up there didn't take much notice of what I > > was competeing against. Can someone get back to me and tell me what the > > field looked like? For those who were there, my entries were the DML > > Fokker D-VII(Udet w/lozenge on upper & lower wings) and the DML DrI. > > done in the Waldo Pepper Black & Yellow checkerboard scheme. > > Thanks. > > > > Ernest Thomas > > aka: Polly Styrene > > ethomas6@bellsouth.net John C, Thanks for the tip on IPMS Houston. I'll check it out. IPMS Houtston is how I found the WWI site. As much as I was hoping to find some info, I was also just hoping to meet some other modelers who aren't afraid of struts & string. L8R Polly. "The unexamined life is not worth living for man." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:12:06 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] Message-ID: <34AC7726.3582@bellsouth.net> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > Ernest Thomas wrote: > > > > Hi Ho Everybody, > > > > My name is Ernest and I'm a brand new subscriber to the list. > > > > Hi Ernest, and welcome. I am also a relative newcomer. > > > > > > > > > Also, anybody out made it to the IPMS Nationals in Columbus OH. this > > past summer? > > > > > I would have loved to have seen them in person and my > > friends who took my models up there didn't take much notice of what I > > was competeing against. Can someone get back to me and tell me what the > > field looked like? > > > > I went to the Nats this year. It was good and bad. Good to see such a > stunning exercise in art and craftmanship. Bad when I realized that my > work is not in the same league. Truly, I was dumbstruck that in this > exhibition the models did not run the spectrum. They were simply all > good. Shamefacedly I must admit that I did not take a lot of pictures of > the WWI field. However, I did take a photo of a SMER DH2 because a > friend was wrestling with this very subject. In the background of this > shot there is a black and yellow diamonded German Aircraft! Could it > be? Again all of these ships were good, but here are the standouts in > my mind. > > 1/72 RE8 - Some madman unwound a ferrite core transistor radio antenna > and rigged the airplane with it! The guy had turnbuckles on the rigging > as well. > > 1/72 Ilya Muromets - First time I saw this thing built up. It was > beautiful and BIG. > > I don't even build 1/72 and I was in love with these! > > 1/48 Sopwith Baby - My least favorite Sopwith and this thing blew me > away. Featured a foil laminated cowling complete with that circular > buffed effect. The guy laminated the floats with the wood that comes in > the metal cigar tubes and varnished it. > > 1/48 Glencoe/Albatros D.III - Thinking about the effort this madman put > into this project is not unlike comtemplating self mutilation. Peculiar > yellow spotted scheme. Perhaps Noth's? The ship was beautiful, but they > must have had to throw a net over the guy when he was done. > > Need to hear any more? I had a blast, and having the run of the AF > Museum was the highlight. I sat in the pilot, co-pilot and bombardier > position in Bock's Car. I looked through the bomb sight and touched the > salvo switch that ended WWII. > > John John C. Thanks for the recap on the Nats. I guess my stuff wasn't up to snuff either. Life goes on. We can only get better, and it's much more productive to be inspired by the craftsmanship of others than discouraged. And don't you love it when you see a model of something you don't even really like but it's so well done that you just have to say WOW! And if you REALLY want to get a dose of reality, check out the book "Scratch Built-a celebration of the static scale aviation modelers art" by Shiffer Publishing. It made me realize I've still got a long way to go. I have the Ilya Muromets in my stock pile but I have no imediate plans for it right now. It does look big. And I did the foil lamination thing on the Eduard Eindecker with the squigley buffed effect and a stiched piece of thin sheet styrene laminated to the underside the fuselage. Actually, thats what caused me to have to do the foil lamination thing in the first place. Unfortunately, it had a mishap and is still waiting to have it's starboard wing re-attatched so it couldn't be sent to OH. Just as well. It's my most ambitous attempt to date at super detailing and I'm very proud of it, but it still isn't even close to flawless, and therefore, not really eligable to win against something that is flawless though simpler . I'll be putting a few photos of it on the WWI page when this guy Trent Tidmore gets back from vacation and finishes scaning them for me. He has a real nice site that is linked to the WWI page and has the kind of color photos of A/C that modelers want. And he puts a 5 or 6 or 7 decent sized pictures on a page so it's easier to look at them. Thanks again for the info. TTYL. Polly Styrene "Knowledge is the Selective Force" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:37:59 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] Message-ID: <34AC7D37.5737@bellsouth.net> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:31:06 -0500 Ernest Thomas > writes: > > > Also, anybody out made it to the IPMS Nationals in Columbus OH. > > this past summer? I entered two DML fokkers in absentia but I > > didn't win anything. Que sara! But I heard there was 37 entries > > in the 1/48 bi-plane catagory. I would have loved to have seen > > them in person and my friends who took my models up there didn't > > take much notice of what I was competeing against. Can someone > > get back to me and tell me what the field looked like? For those > > who were there, my entries were the DML Fokker D-VII(Udet > > w/lozenge on upper & lower wings) and the DML DrI. done in the > > Waldo Pepper Black & Yellow checkerboard scheme. Thanks. > > I was there. No, I didn't take that Braille Scale Dr.I I built. > I knew better. ;-) > > Seriously, there was serious competition all around. While I > don't remember the 1/48th category very well (why should I? ;-)), > the 1/72nd category was extreme, and a lot of wonderful models. > I will never know why I didn't even place - the jerk-off judges > weren't around like they should have been (sorry just a little > bitter) - plus there were 40+ biplanes in the category, evenly > represented between "WW1" and "others", and they didn't split it. > That really ticked me off. Even Steve Hustad - who did well > anyway - couldn't understand it. > > Yes, just a little bitter. ;-) I still would have like to know > why my Nie.28 didn't make it, because I think it's my best effort > to date - but not a Hustad competitor, I admit. :-( > > Anyway, the D.V that took first and the Mike Fritz award was > awesome. It was the Eduard effort, well done even if it was a > Brailler :-). Heck, 1994 and 1995 Mike Fritz went to 1/72nd!!! > 1996 went to a behemoth (some 1/32nd job) and last year was a > Brailler. Maybe we'll take it back in 1998!! Erik? ;-) > > Matt Bittner Hey Matt, Thanks for the recap on the nats. Sorry to poke at a sore spot. I've judged a model contest on the local level and I have to say I wouldn't like to have to judge a catagory with 40 entries. On the other hand, I've entered a contest where they split up the catagories so much the the only way a model didn't win was if it was the 4th model built by the same person in the same catagory. And think of how much sweeter that victory would have been in a field of 40+ competitors. Of course thats real easy for me to say, not having been there in person. What's "Braille Scale" anyway? That's a new one on me. And you mentioned a Nie.28. Do you have a good 3 view drawing of one? I want to build the Glenco kit and the fuselage looks all wrong to me. I have the new Squadron book on Nieuports which has a 3 view but it looks all wrong too. Of course I haven't put the parts on the drawing yet and I would like to get as much info as I can. The 28 is probably the prettiest a/c ever built in my opinion so I really want to do it right. And for some strange reason, the "Scale a/c drawings book vol.1 WWI" doesn't have that a/c or even the Nie.17. And all I can say is that you're some kind of Scary Modeling Fiend if your gonna train your spider to make those toggles. Happy Modeling. TTYL Polly. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 01:47:56 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms]Nieuport28 Message-ID: <3b1a7cab.34ac8da1@aol.com> In a message dated 98-01-02 00:44:03 EST, you write: << I want to build the Glenco kit and the fuselage looks all wrong to me. >> Greetings Ernest! Unfortunately you're correct.The outline isn't all that bad but there are so many extra stringers, and gross sagging between these that the fuselage is almost hopeless.This is a shame because the rest of the kit is pretty good.The incredibly overpriced Blue Max kit has a great (near perfect) fuselage but that's about all it's got going for it.I suppose somebody might succeed at filling in all the detail with putty and filing what should be "facets" to represent the taut fabric between the stringers, but if so,then as the Yardbirds used to sing "Mr. You're a Better Man Than I"( sorry, I got their greatest hits CD for my birthday a few weeks ago!) Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Vol.1 has Nieuport 28 drawings as does the DataFile. The best drawings are by Bergen Hardesty- especially if you want to build a full size job in your backyard! I've got these drawings lurking around here somewhere.... Again,WELCOME! Robert Karr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:28:32 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: an indulgence? Message-ID: <4d20cc0d.34ac9722@aol.com> I thank all of you who responded to my plea for indulgence- those who kicked me out of the list band (didn't know I was in it!), complimented my dynamics and generally gave the wife of a fellow list member a hell of a good laugh! On to a great '98!( finally finishing the off-and-on scratched Tabloid) Robert np:Cheap Trick Live at Budokan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:39:17 -0800 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Cheap trick - wow! Message-ID: <34ADCF05.791B@connectorsystems.co.nz> > Robert > np:Cheap Trick Live at Budokan Hell and damnation - I've not heard that in years (Sounds offstage of frantic scrabbling through an ageing vinyl collection) Yeah here it is. Time to p#ss off the neighbours big time. HAAAHAHAHAHAHAA!! Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 06:21:30 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: "World War 1 Mail List" Subject: Fw: [Fwd: Vac-forms] Message-ID: <19980102122455.AAA2979@johng> This kicked back so I'm trying again. - JG ---------- > From: John Glaser > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] > Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 7:38 PM > > Ernest: > There are three pretty good articles about this by Scott Head in the > articles section of the IPMS Houston web site. They are part of Scott's > "Skeet Sheet" column. Try it at http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh/ > Also, our own Joey Valenciano has put forth the idea for a vacuum making > treatise on the WW1 modeling page. > > Hope this helps. > > - John > > ---------- > > From: Ernest Thomas > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [Fwd: Vac-forms] > > Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 6:31 PM > > > > Message-ID: <34AC1E5E.584B@bellsouth.net> > > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:53:18 -0600 > > From: Ernest Thomas > > Reply-To: ethomas6@bellsouth.net > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; U) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: multiple recipients of list <"wwi"@pease1.sr.unh.edu,> > > Subject: Vac-forms > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Hi Ho Everybody, > > > > My name is Ernest and I'm a brand new subscriber to the list. I've been > > moedling for over 25 years(since I was 5-even through the teenage years > > when most of us get distracted by girls). I've always been partial to > > WWI and bi-planes but there was so few kits available in 1/48 for so > > long. That's changed recently with the few DLM offerings and now with > > all the Eduard kits I've been able to focus on my primary interest in > > aviation. But I guess that's the same story a lot of us have. > > > > So now I'm starting on my very first ever Vac-form kit. It's the 1/48 > > Albatross DIII from Tom's modelworks. Anybody out there want to share > > some advice or tips on building vacs. in general or this model in > > particular. I've only cut out the fuselage halves so far, so I still > > have a long way to go. Any advice would be most appreciated. > > > > Also, anybody out made it to the IPMS Nationals in Columbus OH. this > > past summer? I entered two DML fokkers in absentia but I didn't win > > anything. Que sara! But I heard there was 37 entries in the 1/48 > > bi-plane catagory. I would have loved to have seen them in person and my > > friends who took my models up there didn't take much notice of what I > > was competeing against. Can someone get back to me and tell me what the > > field looked like? For those who were there, my entries were the DML > > Fokker D-VII(Udet w/lozenge on upper & lower wings) and the DML DrI. > > done in the Waldo Pepper Black & Yellow checkerboard scheme. > > Thanks. > > > > Ernest Thomas > > aka: Polly Styrene > > ethomas6@bellsouth.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:21:00 -0600 (CST) From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: 97 Nats Message-ID: > > >I went to the Nats this year. It was good and bad. Good to see such a >stunning exercise in art and craftmanship. Bad when I realized that my >work is not in the same league. Truly, I was dumbstruck that in this >exhibition the models did not run the spectrum. They were simply all >good. Shamefacedly I must admit that I did not take a lot of pictures of >the WWI field. However, I did take a photo of a SMER DH2 because a >friend was wrestling with this very subject. In the background of this >shot there is a black and yellow diamonded German Aircraft! Could it >be? Again all of these ships were good, but here are the standouts in >my mind. > snip > >Need to hear any more? I had a blast, and having the run of the AF >Museum was the highlight. I sat in the pilot, co-pilot and bombardier >position in Bock's Car. I looked through the bomb sight and touched the >salvo switch that ended WWII. I was at the Nats also. This was a great show. The workmanship was truly outstanding. I herd a comment after the judging that this years Third place winners would have all been in contention for "Best OF Show" 5 years ago, and the folks who didnot place would all have been good enough to place 1st or 2nd hands down 5 to 8 years ago. We have come a long way. I remember my first Nationals 11 years ago. I thought the workmanship was outstanding then. I did not have anything entered this year, and had models that had taken 1st and 2nd place awards at the Regional get beat last year (96). The one thing I have learned over the years is that on any given day, any given model (no matter how good or haw well it has done in the past) can and will get beat. I have progresses to the point of building for me now instead of for the judges. I get more enjoyment out of the hobby this way. If I should have something that catches the judges eye and they see fit to honor me, that is just icing on the cake. I do enjoy the events I attend these days, but due to employment restraints, I do not get to spend much time visiting with friends and taking advantage of the tours and semenars. I envy those of you who can partake in these events. On the other hand, it is a pleasure to be able to take a second or two at the booth and say to any of you who come by. I wish I could spend more time visiting. You are all a great bunch of modelers and friends. Some day I will retire again and attend these events in a vacation mode instead of work mode. On the other hand, how often does one get paid to do what he has enjoyed as a hobby for 40 plus years. I will talk to any of you who will be in eithr Dallas, El Paso , Santa Clara, or Chicago in the comming year. May you all have a productive building year, and may all the kits we wish were available be announced at the Show in Germany next month. Best wishes and Happy New year John H Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:02:46 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: 97 Nats Message-ID: <34AD1DB6.4494@bellsouth.net> John Huggins wrote: > > > > > > >I went to the Nats this year. It was good and bad. Good to see such a > >stunning exercise in art and craftmanship. Bad when I realized that my > >work is not in the same league. Truly, I was dumbstruck that in this > >exhibition the models did not run the spectrum. They were simply all > >good. Shamefacedly I must admit that I did not take a lot of pictures of > >the WWI field. However, I did take a photo of a SMER DH2 because a > >friend was wrestling with this very subject. In the background of this > >shot there is a black and yellow diamonded German Aircraft! Could it > >be? Again all of these ships were good, but here are the standouts in > >my mind. > > > snip > > > >Need to hear any more? I had a blast, and having the run of the AF > >Museum was the highlight. I sat in the pilot, co-pilot and bombardier > >position in Bock's Car. I looked through the bomb sight and touched the > >salvo switch that ended WWII. > > I was at the Nats also. This was a great show. The workmanship was truly > outstanding. I herd a comment after the judging that this years Third > place winners would have all been in contention for "Best OF Show" 5 years > ago, and the folks who didnot place would all have been good enough to > place 1st or 2nd hands down 5 to 8 years ago. We have come a long way. I > remember my first Nationals 11 years ago. I thought the workmanship was > outstanding then. > > I did not have anything entered this year, and had models that had taken > 1st and 2nd place awards at the Regional get beat last year (96). The one > thing I have learned over the years is that on any given day, any given > model (no matter how good or haw well it has done in the past) can and will > get beat. I have progresses to the point of building for me now instead of > for the judges. I get more enjoyment out of the hobby this way. If I > should have something that catches the judges eye and they see fit to honor > me, that is just icing on the cake. > > I do enjoy the events I attend these days, but due to employment > restraints, I do not get to spend much time visiting with friends and > taking advantage of the tours and semenars. I envy those of you who can > partake in these events. On the other hand, it is a pleasure to be able to > take a second or two at the booth and say to any of you who come by. I > wish I could spend more time visiting. You are all a great bunch of > modelers and friends. Some day I will retire again and attend these events > in a vacation mode instead of work mode. On the other hand, how often does > one get paid to do what he has enjoyed as a hobby for 40 plus years. > > I will talk to any of you who will be in eithr Dallas, El Paso , Santa > Clara, or Chicago in the comming year. May you all have a productive > building year, and may all the kits we wish were available be announced at > the Show in Germany next month. > > Best wishes and Happy New year > John H > > Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. To; John Huggins, Thanks for the reply. I know what you are saying about judging. This past October in the local contest, My first resin figure took 2nd place but when I first entered it 3 years ago in the same contest, it didn't win anything. As far as building for the judges goes, I don't do that. But I find that when I'm building something with the contest in mind, I do much better work than when I'm building just for fun. And my 2 entries at the nats took first and second at the regionals in Houston, which is the only reason I was confident enough to send them to the nats. Thanks again. Ernest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:08:50 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Fw: [Fwd: Vac-forms] Message-ID: <34AD1F22.1D6@bellsouth.net> John Glaser wrote: > > This kicked back so I'm trying again. > > - JG > > ---------- > > From: John Glaser > > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vac-forms] > > Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 7:38 PM > > > > Ernest: > > There are three pretty good articles about this by Scott Head in the > > articles section of the IPMS Houston web site. They are part of Scott's > > "Skeet Sheet" column. Try it at http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh/ > > Also, our own Joey Valenciano has put forth the idea for a vacuum making > > treatise on the WW1 modeling page. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > - John > > > > ---------- > > > From: Ernest Thomas > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: [Fwd: Vac-forms] > > > Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 6:31 PM > > > > > > Message-ID: <34AC1E5E.584B@bellsouth.net> > > > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:53:18 -0600 > > > From: Ernest Thomas > > > Reply-To: ethomas6@bellsouth.net > > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; U) > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > To: multiple recipients of list <"wwi"@pease1.sr.unh.edu,> > > > Subject: Vac-forms > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > Hi Ho Everybody, > > > > > > My name is Ernest and I'm a brand new subscriber to the list. I've been > > > moedling for over 25 years(since I was 5-even through the teenage > years > > > when most of us get distracted by girls). I've always been partial to > > > WWI and bi-planes but there was so few kits available in 1/48 for so > > > long. That's changed recently with the few DLM offerings and now with > > > all the Eduard kits I've been able to focus on my primary interest in > > > aviation. But I guess that's the same story a lot of us have. > > > > > > So now I'm starting on my very first ever Vac-form kit. It's the 1/48 > > > Albatross DIII from Tom's modelworks. Anybody out there want to share > > > some advice or tips on building vacs. in general or this model in > > > particular. I've only cut out the fuselage halves so far, so I still > > > have a long way to go. Any advice would be most appreciated. > > > > > > Also, anybody out made it to the IPMS Nationals in Columbus OH. this > > > past summer? I entered two DML fokkers in absentia but I didn't win > > > anything. Que sara! But I heard there was 37 entries in the 1/48 > > > bi-plane catagory. I would have loved to have seen them in person and > my > > > friends who took my models up there didn't take much notice of what I > > > was competeing against. Can someone get back to me and tell me what the > > > field looked like? For those who were there, my entries were the DML > > > Fokker D-VII(Udet w/lozenge on upper & lower wings) and the DML DrI. > > > done in the Waldo Pepper Black & Yellow checkerboard scheme. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Ernest Thomas > > > aka: Polly Styrene > > > ethomas6@bellsouth.net to:JG I got it the first time, I guess you didn't get my response. I have to learn whats going on here because I'll send out a message and it gets kicked back- but I'll get replies to it. I'll re-send my first reply in a little while when I don't have a squirming 3 yr. old on my lap. Thanks. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 07:41:52 -0800 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Son of mailing weirdness (was Re: Fw: [Fwd: Vac-forms]) Message-ID: <34AE5C40.75EE@connectorsystems.co.nz> Some clot has probably forgotten to turn his mail off over the holidays and his mailbox has filled up - the messages are getting to the list, but not fom the list to the subscriber. The bouce message is coming back to the sender rather than to our dear leader and beloved listmeister. Perhaps it might be agood idea to unsubscribe said chap in the meantime? A? > > I got it the first time, I guess you didn't get my response. I have to > learn whats going on here because I'll send out a message and it gets > kicked back- but I'll get replies to it. I'll re-send my first reply in > a little while when I don't have a squirming 3 yr. old on my lap. > Thanks. > > E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:02:08 +0000 From: "David Couvillon" To: wwi Subject: To rich for my blood... Message-ID: <199801021853.SAA01936@scosysv> I had made an iquiry to Amazon.com on some WWI aircraft books. This is one of the responses they sent me. For current lack of funds, I had to cancel the order. Soooo, if anyone else out there is looking for this tome, Amazon.com can get the set... > >> Ordered item: John McIntosh Bruce "War planes of the first > >> world war" > >> > >> Title located: "War Planes of the First World War: > >> Fighters, Vols 1-5." > >> > >> Price: $214.50 > >> Shipping & handling charge: $3.95 > >> Total charge for item: $218.45 > >> Binding: Hardcover David Couvillon Major of Marines, Righter of Wrongs, Wrong most of the time, Lover extrordinaire, Chef de Hot Dog Excellance, Collector of Hot Sauce, Avoider of Yard Work Check out my homepage at http:\\www.cust.iamerica.net\captcouv\ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:22:12 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: To rich for my blood... Message-ID: >I had made an iquiry to Amazon.com on some WWI aircraft books. This >is one of the responses they sent me. For current lack of funds, I >had to cancel the order. > >Soooo, if anyone else out there is looking for this tome, Amazon.com >can get the set... > > > > >> >> Ordered item: John McIntosh Bruce "War planes of the first >> >> world war" >> >> >> >> Title located: "War Planes of the First World War: >> >> Fighters, Vols 1-5." >> >> >> >> Price: $214.50 >> >> Shipping & handling charge: $3.95 >> >> Total charge for item: $218.45 >> >> Binding: Hardcover > > > >David Couvillon Well, some of this outrageous price has to with paying someone else to chase down these volumes for you. I have this set (including two copies of v.1, there were two different editions) but it took me the better part of 14 years to accumulate it. Then again, I never paid over US$5.00 for any single volume. The point I am trying to make is that you can find virtually any title in the way of a used book if you look hard and long enough. There are lots of places to check, library sales (found one of the Bruce volumes there, price US$1.00), used book stores, new book stores with used sections, yard sales, even vandors and "unofficial" vendors at IPMS Nats. It was at the 1985 IPMS Nats that I found my copy of the Harleyford Marine book, price US$20.00. I couldn't have ripped a $20.00 bill out of my pocket faster if I wanted to. Perserverence has its rewards. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 08:11:39 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: FS: Flying Corps Message-ID: <34ACE78B.229@conted.gatech.edu> While waiting for my mail-order copy of Red Baron II to arrive, I picked up the new Flying Corps Gold, making my original Flying Corps redundant. If anyone is interested in getting that game for, say, $10 plus shipping, just drop me a note. Now, back to the flightline . . . Carlos ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 827 *********************