WWI Digest 1348 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Book find by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: Book find by Mike Fletcher 3) Christmas greetings by "Michal Beran" 4) Scale Aviation Modeller Vol 5 Issue 1 January 1999 by Graham Nash 5) RE: german automobiles by "Diego Fernetti" 6) Re: rib tapes by "Sandy Adam" 7) Re: Scale Aviation Modeller Vol 5 Issue 1 January 1999 by Graham Nash 8) Re: rib tapes by Bob Pearson 9) Season Greetings by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 10) Re: rib tapes by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 11) Re: rib tapes by mkendix 12) Re: rib tapes by "Sandy Adam" 13) Re: rib tapes by Kevin Wenker 14) Re: rib tapes by Bob Pearson 15) Off-Topic Typhoon request by Bob Pearson 16) Re: rib tapes by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re: Jasta 16b by Rick Milas 18) Season's Greetings. by Bill Bacon 19) Re: CA Application by thayer@sirius.com (thayer syme) 20) Re: Jasta 16b by Bob Pearson 21) RE: rib tapes by Shane Weier 22) Happy Holidays all by Shane Weier 23) Season's Greetings! by Zulis@aol.com 24) Season's greetings by Pedro e Francisca Soares 25) Season Greetings by Alberto Rada 26) Next - FAQ by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 27) Latest FAQ by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:07:35 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Book find Message-ID: <3680A4C7.2CD9@bellsouth.net> Steven M. Perry wrote: > > A chance pass by the used book store yielded...(snip) Did it by chance yeild the title of the previously mentioned Osprey book?:) E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:58:08 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Book find Message-ID: <3680B0A0.FF7D623C@mars.ark.com> "Steven M. Perry" wrote: > > > Can anyone familiar with such resources tell me where the drawings in this > book fall on the correctness scale? > I think it falls off the correctness scale - they are the type of drawing that is done from a single photo in 5 minutes ... If you can find anything else - use that instead. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:29:49 +0100 From: "Michal Beran" To: Subject: Christmas greetings Message-ID: <199812231042.LAA06261@jenicek.cm-sec.cz> To all list members, their famillies and friends: Merry and peacefull Christmas time. (let's hope we will find some items from our wish lists under the trees!) Michal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:38:45 +0000 From: Graham Nash To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Scale Aviation Modeller Vol 5 Issue 1 January 1999 Message-ID: <199812230939.EAA26437@egate2.citicorp.com> After eating your Xmas meals, I suggest you may want to seek out the lastest issue, which I picked up today: Preview releases Copper State Models 1/48th Pfalz Dr.I $56.99 (bare facts of price etc.) Review Copper State Models 1/48th Pfalx D.XII (1 page article by Bob Gold) HR Models 1/72nd Alb D.II (Late) (2/3rds of a page by Bob Gold) Article Brisfit (2 pages colour profiles, 2 pages 1/48th plans, 2 1/2 pages text, a few photos) World War 1 Wings No.1- M/S Type I, (3 pages on building the 1/48th Flashback by Rod Holland) Reflections on the LFG Roland C.II by Harry Woodman, plus a look at the Blue Max C.II (3 pages) Bookshelf Details the release of the D.H.9 Datafile and re-release of the datafiles on the Alb C.III/Hann Cl.III/LVG C.VI/Halb C.II Readers Classified For sale WWI Aircraft in 1/48th-1/24th Eduard, Blue Max, Revell, Merlin, Tom's etc. send S.A.E to S.Chisholm, 24 Gidleys Meadow, Dartington, Totnes, South Devon, TQ9 6JZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:07:27 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: german automobiles Message-ID: <002201be2e53$adb2ebe0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: David & Carol Fletcher The car it is on has the >solid disk wheels (no PE required?). I can scan in some photo's if you >want. David: Yes, please, send me a picture off list if you can. It'll be useful. Light khaki with mud streaks will look great. Besides, I'll write to the manufacturer to know if he can send me any kind tech drawings or stuff. A friend of mine told me that the "torpedo" apelative were used for the solid disk wheel cars. Do you know if this is true? Thank you for all, and have a Feliz Navidad y próspero Año Nuevo (a drop of colorful local language). D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:01:22 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: rib tapes Message-ID: <199812231100.LAA19354@beryl.sol.co.uk> > All very well for CDL over CDL, but with PC.10 over CDL the lower tapes > appear lighter than the rest of the fabric .... Yes its very different with PC-10 Shane, in that there is a much wider variation of possibilities. I took a stack of pictures of details such as this on my last IWM/RAFM visits and the RAF SE5a shows exactly what you say, As does the IWM 2F.1 Camel - greyish beige CDL with lighter beige tapes - the effect on the Camel is very noticeable. However the RAF Tripehound tapes look exactly the same shade except that the frayed tape edges are distinctly lighter - an off-white in fact. The RAF F.1 Camel is similar to this but not as distinct as the Tripe. The Brisfit and Bristol M1C shades are totally open to the beholder's eye. I can't decide whether the tapes are darker, lighter or the same - they are in fact chromatically different but tonally similar! I didn't venture an opinion about PC-10 in the first post because of this - CDL effects are much easier to pin down - but since you raise the PC-10 issue, we might as well explore it properly. As you say, what a subtle, endlessly variable, world of tonal precision we PC-10 modellers inhabit! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:06:25 +0000 From: Graham Nash To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scale Aviation Modeller Vol 5 Issue 1 January 1999 Message-ID: <199812231107.GAA00976@egate2.citicorp.com> Also found hidden in the Accessories Section Photo-etch sheets by 'Part' for Toko Snipe Toko S-S D.III/D,IV Photo etch sheet by 'Eduard' for Eduard Nie 17 :^) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:09:42 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: rib tapes Message-ID: <11094222101639@KAIEN.COM> > I didn't venture an opinion about PC-10 in the first post because of this - > CDL effects are much easier to pin down - but since you raise the PC-10 > issue, we might as well explore it properly. As you say, what a subtle, > endlessly variable, world of tonal precision we PC-10 modellers inhabit! > Sandy Oooo hear hear ..... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:33:04 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Season Greetings Message-ID: <19981223.054038.-915507.2.mbittner@juno.com> I wanted to post this for the Solstice, but time ran out. The best of the holiday to all, and may the New Year be more prolific then the last! Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 05:32:06 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rib tapes Message-ID: <19981223.054038.-915507.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:07:37 -0500 (EST) Bob Pearson writes: >> I didn't venture an opinion about PC-10 in the first post because of >this >- >> CDL effects are much easier to pin down - but since you raise the >PC-10 >> issue, we might as well explore it properly. As you say, what a >subtle, >> endlessly variable, world of tonal precision we PC-10 modellers >inhabit! >> Sandy > >Oooo hear hear ..... :-{]~ :-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:38:58 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rib tapes Message-ID: Sandy: This has probably been the subject of discussion many times, so I thought I'd ask you directly. PC12 was mentioned recently. What colour is it? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Sandy Adam wrote: > > All very well for CDL over CDL, but with PC.10 over CDL the lower tapes > > appear lighter than the rest of the fabric .... > > Yes its very different with PC-10 Shane, in that there is a much wider > variation of possibilities. > > I took a stack of pictures of details such as this on my last IWM/RAFM > visits and the RAF SE5a shows exactly what you say, As does the IWM 2F.1 > Camel - greyish beige CDL with lighter beige tapes - the effect on the > Camel is very noticeable. However the RAF Tripehound tapes look exactly the > same shade except that the frayed tape edges are distinctly lighter - an > off-white in fact. The RAF F.1 Camel is similar to this but not as distinct > as the Tripe. > > The Brisfit and Bristol M1C shades are totally open to the beholder's eye. > I can't decide whether the tapes are darker, lighter or the same - they are > in fact chromatically different but tonally similar! > > I didn't venture an opinion about PC-10 in the first post because of this - > CDL effects are much easier to pin down - but since you raise the PC-10 > issue, we might as well explore it properly. As you say, what a subtle, > endlessly variable, world of tonal precision we PC-10 modellers inhabit! > Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:15:44 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: rib tapes Message-ID: <199812231413.OAA24430@beryl.sol.co.uk> > This has probably been the subject of discussion many times, so I thought > I'd ask you directly. PC12 was mentioned recently. What colour is it? > Michael Hi Michael I would not set myself up as an expert on Pigmented Cellulose colours - and I think there is discussion in the archive and probably on the web page as to how PCs were created. But basically PC-10 was greenish brown and PC-12 reddish brown due if I remember to lamp black and ferrous oxide, respectively, being mixed with the other constituents. I'm sure everybody has a view as to what each actually looked like - and different batches would probably have slightly different proportions of ingredients. Add to that the effect of hot French or Mesopotamian sunshine - and you have a wide range of possible shades to go for. My choice for PC-12 is a warm reddish mid brown - as on my 1/48 Dolphin on Al's Image Gallery - but you could make an equally valid case for a pretty broad range round that sort of shade. PS Received wisdom was always that PC-10 was used in Europe and PC-12 in Iraq, but much recent discussion centres around PC-12 probably being much more widespread than previously thought. HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:22:10 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rib tapes Message-ID: <3680FC92.E41@interaccess.com> mkendix wrote: > > Sandy: > > This has probably been the subject of discussion many times, so I thought > I'd ask you directly. PC12 was mentioned recently. What colour is it? > > Michael > Well, it's like PC10, only different. And, it's British. Hope that helps :-> Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:12:58 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: rib tapes Message-ID: <18125832902321@KAIEN.COM> > > This has probably been the subject of discussion many times, so I thought > > I'd ask you directly. PC12 was mentioned recently. What colour is it? > > > > Michael > > Well, it's like PC10, only different. And, it's British. > Hope that helps :-> > Kevin In the Spinal Tap vein.. .. "But this one goes to twelve." Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:15:37 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Off-Topic Typhoon request Message-ID: <18153708702328@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, Would anyone with The Typhoon File, Typhoon at war or, Typhoon and Tempest in RCAF Service please contact me off-list regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:16:50 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rib tapes Message-ID: <5de762ae.36813392@aol.com> In a message dated 12/23/98 3:08:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, bpearson@kaien.com writes: << > I didn't venture an opinion about PC-10 in the first post because of this - > CDL effects are much easier to pin down - but since you raise the PC-10 > issue, we might as well explore it properly. As you say, what a subtle, > endlessly variable, world of tonal precision we PC-10 modellers inhabit! > Sandy >> And the way that light reflects off the generally coarser frayed edges of the tapes has an effect, plus these edges are a great place for crud to nest in. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:10:54 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Milas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Jasta 16b Message-ID: Can anyone tell me about the markings of Jasta 16b aircraft in about January and February of 1918? I understand that Pfalz and Albatros had black tails. I also know that one aircraft had multiple narrow bands with a comet marking, and that at least one other had two narrow black bands around the fuselage cross. How were other aircraft marked? Did most have the two narrow bands around the fuselage cross or did the markings vary? If so, what were they? A Merry Christmas to all! Rick M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:28:31 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Season's Greetings. Message-ID: <3681445F.654B0D1D@netjava.net> Hello all, My best wishes for the Holidays and hope that all get their heart's desire under the tree. May you all have a Happy and Prosperous Newb Year. I can think of no group in the world that I would rather be associated with. The rest of the world could learn much from us. Where else can a group made up of so many nationalities meet, share information and techniques, kid one another and not engender any animosity? I fell honored and humble in being a member. Thank you. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:22:11 -0800 From: thayer@sirius.com (thayer syme) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CA Application Message-ID: Hi All, I know it is a day or two old, but so what... For nice small drops of ca, I have been using a piece of 0.020 music wire bent to a triangular shape, and glued to a handle. The two ends come very close together and are dipped into a puddle of glue. The resulting small drop is then applied at will. For cleaning, just pass the tip through a candle flame and let the accumulation burn off. I have a picture of it posted on my web site. Just follow the links for the Tips Page. Thayer -- Thayer Syme Model Aviation Homepage San Francisco http://www.sirius.com/~thayer/modelhp.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:31:41 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Jasta 16b Message-ID: <20314124100007@KAIEN.COM> Jasta 16b is one of the units that will be covered on the Aerodrome Modeler CD. Unit marking was the black tail. Individual markings were various designs, bands etc in b/w. Examples includes Ltn Roth Pfalz D.IIIa diagonal w/b/w band Ltn Giegl Alb D.V three black bands Ltn Riedle Alb D.V black heart Vzfw Fortig Pfalz D.III two black bands (this one everyone knows) Uffz Holtzem PFalz D.III/IIIa Comet &10 black bands I may as well take this opportunity and add these to my site .. . wait a little while and check the German section for it. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://www.kaien.com/~bpearson/Index.htm Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ ---------- > From: Rick Milas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Jasta 16b > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:11:13 -0500 (EST) > > Can anyone tell me about the markings of Jasta 16b aircraft in about > January and February of 1918? I understand that Pfalz and Albatros had > black tails. I also know that one aircraft had multiple narrow bands with > a comet marking, and that at least one other had two narrow black bands > around the fuselage cross. How were other aircraft marked? Did most have > the two narrow bands around the fuselage cross or did the markings vary? > If so, what were they? > A Merry Christmas to all! > Rick M > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:48:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: rib tapes Message-ID: Sandy, > > All very well for CDL over CDL, but with PC.10 over CDL the > lower tapes > > appear lighter than the rest of the fabric .... > > Yes its very different with PC-10 Shane, in that there is a much wider > variation of possibilities. > I'm not usually givent to sweeping statements about colours. Was trying to illustrate that the effect is no-where near uniform, hence the comment about subtlety. > I didn't venture an opinion about PC-10 in the first post > because of this - CDL effects are much easier to pin down - but since you raise > the PC-10 issue, we might as well explore it properly. As you say, what > a subtle, endlessly variable, world of tonal precision we PC-10 > modellers inhabit! Indeed. I couldn't have put it better. I still build an occasional German machine, but for a taste of real class, one really does have to build British, doesn't one ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:57:34 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Happy Holidays all Message-ID: GDay, It being already 8am on Christmas Eve in the morning, and since I've really got to pack this laptop in the car and make tracks on my Christmas vacation, I'd like to wish each and every one of you al lthe compliments of the season. Whatever your beliefs, may the holidays be enjoyable ones and the New Year prove happy, healthy, and (WW1 model wise) productive. Shane (Rats. It's raining. I could get wet at the beach. Not cold though :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:30:32 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Season's Greetings! Message-ID: <50a37ecd.36816f08@aol.com> I just realized I cant let this wait any longer.... Shane reminded me that down under they are sneaking up on the big day - fast! Best Wishes of the season to my friends on the list - those I have learned from, those I have chatted with, those that have made me laugh, and even those lurkers who prefer a lower profile. You are all part of the mix, and the mix is very very good. I am honored to be a part of it, and I wish you all the best for the holidays and a healthy, happy year to come. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:56:01 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Season's greetings Message-ID: <368166F0.4DCF0B57@mail.telepac.pt> Guys, A wonderful Xmas for you all (wheter you believe in it or not) and all the best for 1999. Um grande abraço Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:39:03 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Season Greetings Message-ID: <3681A947.E30D4219@argonaut.net> I propose a toast To all the members of the list That have shared your wisdom and your humor and the kindness of your hearts Enjoy these wonderful days in the company of your loved ones, and all the very best for the year to come SALUDOS Stella, Michelle and Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:06:52 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Next - FAQ Message-ID: <19981223.210723.-864011.0.mbittner@juno.com> The next message from me will be the latest FAQ. Please look it over, and if there's anything wrong - or missing - please let me know. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:07:21 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Latest FAQ Message-ID: <19981223.210723.-864011.1.mbittner@juno.com> World War I Modeling Mailing List Information and Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Charter: The World War I modeling mailing list exists for the purpose of distributing information about building models in any scale with subjects from World War I. This includes but is not limited to: Airplanes, Tanks and other ground vehicles, figurines and ships. It is an unmoderated mailing list that is maintained by Allan Wright (aew(at)pease1.sr.unh.edu). Opinions are those of the individual contributors and not those of The University of New Hampshire. Table of Contents: I. Important List Information 1. Subscription Information a. How to subscribe b. Important commands 2. Posting Articles a. How to post b. Seeing your own posts c. Changing over to the digest 3. Archive information II. Known WW1 Aviation Periodicals and Subscription Information 1. Cross & Cockade International 2. Over the Front (The League of WW1 Aviation Historians) 3. WW1 Aero (WW1 Aero) 4. Windsock III. Other WW1-oriented Email Lists 1. WWI-L: WW1 General History 2. "Virtual" Over the Front Chapter IV. Mail Order Sources V. Between the Wars Discussion VI. Commonly used Acronyms VII. Aircraft Rigging VIII. Scale Conversions for Photocopy Purposes IX. Sources for Scale Plans X. Known Problems with Model Manufacturers I. Important List Information 1. Subscription Information a. How to subscribe Send requests to subscribe or unsubscribe to wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu. This is done by the listproc mailing list software automatically. You will receive confirmation of your transaction via e-mail. b. 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Cross & Cockade International (C&CI) Membership Secretary 6 Cowper Road Southgate London N14 5RP England Cost is 19.00 UK pounds per year surface mail (about US$31.00). Note: membership is also available from Over the Front (see 2. below) 2. Over the Front (OtF - The League of WW1 Aviation Historians) P.O. Box 2475 Rockford IL 61132-0475 USA U.S. subscription rate is $37.00 (for 4th class mail). For 1st Class or overseas rates, please contact Dick Bennett, our membership secretary. E-mail is: 104635.1603@COMPUSERVE.COM Note: you can subscribe to C&CI at the same time you subscribe to OtF. Cost: An additional US$30 surface mail, US$45 air mail. 3. WW1 Aero (WW1 Aero) 15 Crescent Road Poughkeepsie, N.Y. 12601-4490 USA Cost is minimum US$30.00 per year, surface mail. 4. Windsock (Albatros Publications) Albatros Publications Ltd. 10 Long View Berkhamsted Herts HP4 1BY United Kingdom III. Other WW1-oriented Email Lists 1. WWI-L: WW1 General History WWI-L is an unmoderated list for the discussion of the history of World War I. Although the primary focus of the list is the 1914-1919 time period, discussions of events leading up to the Great War and its aftermath (i.e., Balkan Wars & the Russian Revolution) are also permitted and encouraged. As a scholarly list, WWI-L does not permit commercial postings. To subscribe to WWI-L, send the following message: To: listproc@raven.cc.ukans.edu subscribe WWI-L Firstname Lastname Where Firstname = your real first name, and where Lastname = your real last name. 2. "Virtual" Over the Front Chapter The Over the Front (see III.2. above) Virtual Chapter was instigated by Carl J. Bobrow. It is currently not run as a listserv, but as a big editable address book (on each subscriber's own e-mail system). If you wish to join, send a note to Carl and asked to be added (he maintains the master list of subscribers). You don't have to be a member of The League of WW1 Aviation Historians to be a member of the OtF Virtual Chapter. The Chapter is merely a list of WWI aviation history enthusiasts with e-mail addresses. IV. Mail Order Sources Most known sources that deal with WW1 modeling can be found on the web site, at http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/mailorder.html V. Between the Wars Discussion It has been brought up on the list numerous times if there could be discussion on Between the Wars (approximately 1919 to 1939) subjects. Since this is a list devoted to WW1 modeling, large discussions about this time period are to be avoided. However, the list will allow a "feeler" message, where all discussion afterwards goes to private email. So, for example, you want some info on the Curtiss P-1, you would post a message to the list (maybe designate in the subject that the subject is Between the Wars or "off topic") and then anyone who wants to follow up on the discussion will move it to private email. The important thing to remember is to take the discussion off list. VI. Commonly used Acronyms >From time to time, you may see the following acronyms floating around the list. While most are considered "internet in general", there are a few that are list specific. AFAIK: As Far As I Know BTW: By The Way FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions FWIW: For What It's Worth IIRC: If I Recall Correctly IMHO: In My Honest Opinion, or In My Humble Opinion IMNSHO: In My Not So Honest Opinion ROTFL: Rolling On The Floor Laughing RTFD: Read The F Directions RTFM: Read The F Manual RTMS: Read The Manual Stupid SMBIKA: Stop Me Before I Kill Again SWBU: Shake Well Before Using SWMBO: She Who Must Be Obeyed TETE: This End Towards Enemy TIA: Thanks In Advance TTFN: Ta Ta For Now WTFDTM: What The FAQ Does That Mean YMMV: Your milage may vary In the same vein, there are a few abbreviations that should be explained: A-H: Austro-Hungary/ian AEG: Allgemeinen Electrizitats Gesellschaft (Berlin, Germany) Alb: Albatros B.E.: Bleriot Experimental C: French: Chasse or Pursuit (single-seat fighter)/ German: two-seat recc. CA: Crazy Glue (i.e. cyanoacrylate) D: Doppledecker (German Biplane) DFW: Deutsch Flugzeug Werke Dr: Dreidecker (German Triplane) E: Eindecker (German Monoplane) Esc: Escadrille F.E.: Farman Experimental Fok: Fokker G: Grossfleugzeuge (German Large airplane) LFG: Luftfahrzeug Gesellschaft LVG: Luft-Verkehrs Gesellschaft LWF: Lowe, Willard, and Fowler (USA) MS: Morane Saulnier MoS: Morane Saulnier N: Nieuport Nie: Nieuport P/E: Photoetched RAE: Royal Aircraft Establishment RAF: Royal Air Force R.E.: Recconaissance Experimental RFC: Royal Flying Corps RNAS: Royal Naval Air Service S.E.: Scout Experimental (originally Santos-Dumont Experimental) SSW: Siemens-Schukert Werkes T-M: Thomas Morse In addition, the list has come up with some abbreviations to show what one is currely working on. These are: nb: Now Building, i.e. what is currently on the bench, and actively being worked on nu: Next Up; this shows what the next model is after the nb is complete. sitnf: Sometime In The Near Future; you see yourself working on this model at some forseable future point. fdtr: Further Down The Road; another model that you see yourself working on, after the sitnf one. np: Now Playing; some members are avid music listeners, sometime listening to music while they build. This is what they are currently listening to. nr: Now Reading; this is the current book, article of periodicle one is currently reading. VII. Aircraft Rigging Rigging models is always a tricky endeavour. You will get as many ideas on how to do it as there are modelers. Each has their own trick and techique; this section is to explain a few of the more "common" ones, as well as provide a source for some of the rigging material. There are a few ways to rig your models. One of the favorites is to drill holes all the way through the area where the rigging will be. Glue the rigging in one of the holes, wait for it to dry, then pull it through the other hole. Glue, again wait for it to dry, then cut off the excess. Finally, if the parts need it, fill the hole and continue. Another popular method is to use a pair of architectual dividers (found in any art or architect store) to measure the precise distance of where the rigging is to be. Cut your rigging source a little longer than what the dividers show, then through trial fitting, cut the rigging to the exact length needed. 1. Stretched Sprue. There are a lot of people who stretch sprue for rigging. Stretching sprue becomes an art. To start, you want to get the right color of sprue (most agree on a gray, or steel color), and you want to get a lot of it. It is wise to practice first. Start by holding the sprue above a lit candle, say two to three inches. When the sprue gets warm, and starts to sag, pull it *gently* until you have the desired thickness. After pulling, be sure to keep the sprue away from the candle, otherwise the sprue will melt. Again, practice is important. There will come a time where you'll be able to pull the same thickness consistently. 2. Real wire. Some individuals use real wire for rigging. Depending on your scale, you want to choose a thickness that looks like it's about to scale. Note that just because a certain "brand" is listed under a specific scale does *not* mean that "brand" can only be used on that scale. Here are some ideas, plus their sources: a. 1/72nd scale: i. .006" Detail Associates Brass "Rod", product number xxxx This is used in conjunction with a product called "Blacken It" (unless you want to keep the rigging a bronze color), and both are found in the model rairoad section of your hobby shop. ii. .004" Carbon Steel Wire This is availble through Sopwith Hobbies, P.O. Box 560442, Miami, FL, USA, 33256-0442 (email is sopwith@worldnet.att.net). It comes in a pack of three strands of 55" each strand for (as of 24 Oct 96) US$5.95 per pack. Add US$3.00 for postage and handling. b. 1/48th scale: .006" Ceramic "wire", product number xxxx This appears to be available only through Precision Enterprise, Inc. A pack containing x number of inches is US$5.95. Add US$3.00 for postage on two packs. VIII. Scale Conversions for Photocopy Purposes To easily convert from one scale to another in regards to reducing or enlarging drawings etc. using a photocopier, visit http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/scalecon.html and follow the instructions. IX. Sources for Scale Plans To help with the many questions regarding scale plans for a particular subject, the list below provides most known sources of scale plans. Note that this list is geared toward the plastic modeler; however, it should be easy to take these plans and using a photocopier reduce or enlarge to fit any scale (see Section VIII. above). 1. Flying Machines Press - Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of World War One ISBN 0-9637110-0-8 (1993) - The Imperial Russian Air Service ISBN 0-9637110-2-4 (1995) - French Aircraft of the First World War ISBN 0-9637110-4-0 (1997) 2. The German Giants 'The German R-Planes 1914-1918' ISBN 0 85177 812 7 (1988) 3. Harleyford Series - Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War ISBN 60-11220 (1960) - Bomber Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War (ISBN needed) - Naval Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War (ISBN Needed) 4. Scale Aircraft Drawings Volume 1 - World War 1 ISBN 0-911295-02-X (1986) older drawings from Model Airplane News some drawn as early as 1948 5. Windsock Datafiles Series has both 1/72 and 1/48 scale drawings 6. Airplane Engine Encyclopedia, Angle, Glenn D., 1921 The Otterbein Press. Try your inter-library loan. 7. Revell, Alex, High in the Empty Blue, ISBN 0-9637110-3-2 8. Sturtivant, Ray and Gordon Page, The S.E. 5 File, ISBN 0-85130-246-7 9. Sturtivant, Ray and Gordon page, The Camel File, ISBN 0-85130-212-2 10. Motorbooks International - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 1, ISBN 0-85242-983-5 (1989) - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 2, ISBN 0-85242-984-3 (1989) - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 3, ISBN 0-85242-998-3 (1989) X. Known Problems with Model Manufacturers Currently, one manufacturer seems to stick out from others with questions generated on the list. Meikraft models is a good source of WW1 limited run models; however, some people in the past have had problems dealing direct with them. For more information about Meikraft's ordering policy, please contact the list. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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