WWI Digest 1347 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Do you know where I can find? by Allan Wright 2) Re: Done! by "David Vosburgh" 3) Re: Thayer & Chandler air brushes by Veronica Ugulano 4) Re: Done! by Veronica Ugulano 5) Re: Chalk up another finished project! by Veronica Ugulano 6) Greetings of the Season by r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) 7) Re: Lt. von Bertrab Jasta 30 by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 8) Neat trick by "Steven M. Perry" 9) german automobiles by "Diego Fernetti" 10) Re: Do you know where I can find? by Kevin Wenker 11) New article on page by "Steven M. Perry" 12) by fedders 13) Re: None by "Lee Mensinger" 14) rib tapes by "Sandy Adam" 15) Re: rib tapes by "Steven M. Perry" 16) Re: Lt. von Bertrab Jasta 30 by Rick Milas 17) RE: rib tapes by Shane Weier 18) Re: german automobiles by David & Carol Fletcher 19) Re: german automobiles by "David Vosburgh" 20) Book find by "Steven M. Perry" 21) Just for fun by Dave Watts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:38:57 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: Pballsnpr@aol.com Cc: wwi Subject: Re: Do you know where I can find? Message-ID: <199812221438.JAA25046@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I am an intern teacher in Grand Junction, Colorado. I am trying to locate > W.W.I music. This is in an attempt to reach different style thinkers in my > classroom. So if you have any good ideas on songs from that time period, that > I could have my students listen to and relate to their learning an e-mail > would be much appreciated. > > Thank You, > Stephanie Stephanie, I'm forwarding this message to my mailing list of WWI modelers. I'm sure some of them can help you. -Allan List: reply to stephanie personally on this one - she's not on the list her e-mail is: Pballsnpr@aol.com =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:12:56 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Done! Message-ID: <001901be2db5$2ccb3d00$13d690d0@Pvosburg> (chanting voices, growing in volume...) Photos, photos, photos, photos, PHOTOS, PHOTOS.... Jumpin' Jennies, Steve! Sounds like the natives are restless to me --- better grab a camera! DV -----Original Message----- From: Steven M. Perry To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:07 AM Subject: Done! >Right behind you Mike. The N-9H is done. > >And so am I....to bed! >sp > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:42:03 -0500 From: Veronica Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Thayer & Chandler air brushes Message-ID: <199812220742_MC2-6477-A488@compuserve.com> Jeff, >> If you don't mind doing mail order, BearAir has tremendous prices and good service. I bought an Omni 5000 from them for $55-60, which is 50% of retail.<< Thanks, Jeff. I was trying to remember the mail order company that sold the T&C. I bought mine direct from the company but I do recommend Bear-Air because of the prices and from what the guys said, excellent service. You can also call T&C direct if you have any questions or problems. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:42:01 -0500 From: Veronica Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Done! Message-ID: <199812220742_MC2-6477-A485@compuserve.com> sp Very good on your completion. Will we get to see it? This kit finishing could just catch on. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:26:59 -0500 From: Veronica Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Chalk up another finished project! Message-ID: <199812220727_MC2-646B-34A9@compuserve.com> >> Just put the finishing touches on the TOKO SSW D.III in Udet's LO! markings. << Excellent little kit. TOKO puts out a nice kit and I highly recommend them to anyone who builds in 1/72. Congratulations. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:45:36 EST From: r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Greetings of the Season Message-ID: <19981222.075050.15583.0.r_niles@juno.com> To one and all on the List: >From my house to your house, may this most blessed of all Seasons find you all in the best of health and happiness. As Dickens wrote, "God bless us all, everyone." Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:08:04 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Lt. von Bertrab Jasta 30 Message-ID: Rick asks: >This is a question that only you fellow list people can help me with. It >concerns the Albatros DIII of Lt. von Bertrab. The Datafile Special on >Albatros indicates it was purple with white crosses. However, the Super >Scale decale set indicates it was a dark gray or faded black. It gives >the fuselage crosses as gray, with the comet being in yellow with a gray >outlilne. Does anyone know whoes right? Maybe it was even a different >color yet? Thanks for your help! >Rick M Rick, This question has been hashed over on the list in recent months, and as well as I can remember, here's what's been said: Although Rimell says purple, it's now thought that the D.III was grey-black (because Bertrab was shot down in a black D.V). The SuperScale decal sheet colours for the comet are certainly wrong. The comet is more likely blue or red or orange or yellow with a white outline. The crosses are white with the fuselage cross having a dark black outline. HTH. Kevin Barrett P.S.: Wrong or not, I'd like to swap or buy the 1/72 comet markings from someone's SuperScale sheet, if only to use them as a patern to make a new decal. Does anyone have a set of comets to spare? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:20:52 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Neat trick Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981222082052.00689778@pop.mindspring.com> This may be an old trick to some and it may even have been discussed on list before, but I just stumbled on it and had to pass it along. In lieu of a camera, I tried to scan my N-9 just to see if I could get some kind of an image. As for showing off the model it ain't much, but for any surface of the model laid along the glass, it shows up every minute surface detail, (I forgot I had the scanner on 150 dpi resolution). I am optically challenged (blind as a bat without aid from lenses)and on every model, I always find several surface imperfections cheerfully pointed out after the fact by other modelers. From now on the pieces are going to be scanned when it's time to check that one last time before painting the color coat or applying the lozenge. For those of you with razor sharp eyes, I hope that seeing something clearly never becomes a novelty. ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:32:22 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "WW1 mailing list" Subject: german automobiles Message-ID: <003701be2d96$5cef8d20$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Good morning gentlemen: Yesterday I received the first gifts from Mr. Claus (Papá Noel in this country). Maybe you remember that someone stole my Roland CII datafile, well, a new copy is here as some other three that I couldn't resisti to buy. I wish to thank again to list members who helped me during the waiting sending data and scans of their own material. Besides, two white metal kits came too, from Reviresco. Allow me to make a disgression about this. They're two WW1 german subjects, a car and a truck, intended for wargaming in 1/72 scale. I want to make a little diorama with them, carrying some soldiers and equipment and the staff car towing a dismantled aeroplane down a muddy road. Won't be a lovely change from the classic flat-grassy bases for WW1 birds? The kits arrived fast and neatly packed, important since white metal castings are very fragile. And very heavy, because the little box wheighed a lot. However, the kits were tiny, but maybe because they are the first all metal kits I bought besides aeroclub detail parts, I was dissapointed with the finnesse of the castings. But then I realized that this are wargaming tools and are expected to be more rugged than a "maquette". With some work they can be converted to a fine and dandy scale model. Here some notes for the benefit of the interested. The car: 1913 MB torpedo The simpler of the two received. 18 parts + optional closed top. Sparse instruction sheet, no plans, no color list. Only a picture of a finished model, in a greenish shade. The casting is slightly pitted, but easily repairable with diluted putty. Chassis:The front fenders are too heavy and can be replaced with plastic card of the correct thickness. Hollow out the front and rear springs with a knife. Chain transmission can be greatly improved but seems a difficult task that will be barely noticeable when the kit is assembled. So is underside detailing. Front axle/direction linking: a blob of metal. Scratch a new one with plastic & wire. Seats: the quilted upholstery is poorly cast, I'll shave it out with the knife and files and replace with milliput, patterned with a blunt tipped pin. Cut all locating pins, they're disturbing. Replace rear fenders molded with the rear seat with plastic. Steering column:hammer it, destroy it, throw it away. Replace with one scratched from fine copper wire of different gauges. Hood top: hmmm... to correct it is more work than to scratch a new one from plastic card. Don't forget to add the little light fairings. Body sides: out of scale thickness and scribed detail. Use plastic sheet again and scratchbuilt exhausts and levers. Scribe gently door outlines and add hinges. Radiator: can be improved with PE mesh. Windshield: good try, but too heavy anyway and no glass. Use it as a pattern to do it from clear styrene and wire. Add rearview mirrors. Headlights/rear plate assemblies: well cast. Not too bad for the scale. Wheels: all five are different. Poorly cast, pitted. Tires have a square section. No spokes, just a plain dish. I don't have references yet, but I think that PE spoked wheels will improve greatly the model appearance, and adding wire insulation as pneumatics. The project seems challenging, but if you think about it, it's not too difficult, because the car is boxy. Before starting I'll go hunting info about this car:panel details, color options (the green specimen looks suspicious), instrument panel layout, etc, etc. Sorry if I bored you with this review. I intended to do the truck too but I forgot that white metal is poisonous and my hands are turning 4 color lozenge. I feel dizzy... ohhh... iufhicg8twevjvdh D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:30:03 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Do you know where I can find? Message-ID: <367FC90B.B97@interaccess.com> Here you are, Stephanie - the site has a message board, two full sets of WWI music you can purchse on cassette and listen to on the URL. Enjoy and Merry Christmas. http://www.besmark.com/ Kevin Wenker > > > I am an intern teacher in Grand Junction, Colorado. I am trying to locate > > W.W.I music. This is in an attempt to reach different style thinkers in my > > classroom. So if you have any good ideas on songs from that time period, that > > I could have my students listen to and relate to their learning an e-mail > > would be much appreciated. > > > > Thank You, > > Stephanie > > Stephanie, > > I'm forwarding this message to my mailing list of WWI modelers. I'm sure > some of them can help you. > > -Allan > > List: reply to stephanie personally on this one - she's not on the list > her e-mail is: Pballsnpr@aol.com > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:39:48 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New article on page Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981222113948.00689790@pop.mindspring.com> FWIW: I just put up a new article on my little web page. It's about how I do rib tapes. http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/ribtape.htm sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:37:09 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: models Message-ID: Bob or somebody. I lost Bob Pearson's e-mail address. what is it? thank you merry x-mas peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:04:23 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: None Message-ID: <367FD117.C7EDCEB7@wireweb.net> This ought to do it bpearson@kaien.com Lee fedders wrote: > Bob or somebody. > > I lost Bob Pearson's e-mail address. what is it? > > thank you > > merry x-mas > > peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:50:49 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: rib tapes Message-ID: <199812221749.RAA00229@beryl.sol.co.uk> > I just put up a new article on my little web page. It's about how I do rib > tapes. Good stuff Steve, and timely too. I've been having a rethink about rib tapes since a visit to the IWM last month. I studied the BE2c at length and took a lot of pics of the tapes. The thing that struck me was that there is a distinct difference between those on top of the wings to those underneath. The machine is in CDL with the tapes double or triple thickness material. The overall linen colour is slightly darkened by its semi-opacity and has a beigeish tone. On the upper surfaces the rib tapes re-inforce the linen colour and make the tapes a stronger linen colour - ie a lighter linen colour against the darkened linen that loses its colour to the dark background underneath or alongside. Underneath, the opposite holds true - the light coming through the fabric lightens it whilst the thickened rib-tapes/ribs stop light and make them darker. So... You get a beigeish coloured aeroplane with lighter creamy tapes above, and darker brownish coloured tapes below. Not what is usually modelled with darker tapes all over. (Of course if the plane was modelled in an upside down crash you'd have to reverse the effect.!) I don't have a CDL 'plane on the stocks at the moment - but .... Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:49:26 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rib tapes Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981222134926.0068f5ec@pop.mindspring.com> >You get a beigeish coloured aeroplane with lighter creamy tapes above, and >darker brownish coloured tapes below. Not what is usually modelled with >darker tapes all over. (Of course if the plane was modelled in an upside >down crash you'd have to reverse the effect.!) > >I don't have a CDL 'plane on the stocks at the moment - but .... >Sandy > Some outstanding observations on the CDL & tapes Sandy, and speaking of timely, I will be getting to the ICM Ilya Mourmets this spring. That's a heap of CDL & tapes. On 1:72 scale planes, I usually paint the whole wing the color of the tapes (lighter on top & darker below thanks to your keen eye), then cut masking tape strips, (cheaper than decal material), mask the rib & false rib stations and spray the whole thing base CDL. Pull off the tapes and it looks good. My Dad was at the IWM a few years ago, and loaned me the book he brought back. There are a couple of photos of the BE in it and I see what you mean. After the Ilya project, I expect I'll be ready for a bit zippier color scheme than CDL...maybe I'll try something in PC-10 to spice things up a it. :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:20:51 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Milas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Lt. von Bertrab Jasta 30 Message-ID: Kevin, Thanks much for the info on Lt. van Bertrab's DIII. It is most helpful. Anyone know where I can get the "correct color" comet for this aircraft in i/48? Rick M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:21:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: rib tapes Message-ID: Sandy, > You get a beigeish coloured aeroplane with lighter creamy > tapes above, and > darker brownish coloured tapes below. Not what is usually > modelled with > darker tapes all over. (Of course if the plane was modelled > in an upside > down crash you'd have to reverse the effect.!) > All very well for CDL over CDL, but with PC.10 over CDL the lower tapes appear lighter than the rest of the fabric ( at least it is so on the AWM SE-5a and visible in photos in many datafiles) I think this is because the semi-translucent CDL underneath shows the darkened (by PC.10) fabric on top, but where the fabric is thicker due to the layer of tape this is not so and the pure linen colour shows. Certainly a case where the subtlety of PC.10/CDL is notable compared to the relatively boring loz finishes. ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:06:42 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: german automobiles Message-ID: <368017F2.677@mars.ark.com> Diego Fernetti wrote: The car: 1913 MB torpedo The simpler of the two received. 18 parts + optional closed top. Sparse instruction sheet, no plans, no color list. Only a picture of a finished model, in a greenish shade... color options (the green specimen looks > suspicious), instrument panel layout, etc, etc... It so happens that another of my hobbies is Mercedes-Benz automobiles (numbers 5 and 6 in a long line are sitting in the driveway right now - and, no, I'm not rich, they are 17 years old and 24 years old respectively). The most common colour for Mercedes was white, although I have examples of black and red & black vehicles and that rather bilious green you mention. It would best be described as 'light khaki', so it might fit quite nicely in a WWI diorama. The car it is on has the solid disk wheels (no PE required?). I can scan in some photo's if you want. Trivial Pursuit question: Herr Jellinek sponsored two makes of automobile and had each named after one of his daughters - Mercedes went down in history - what was her now-forgotten sister's name? Merry Xmas! Dave Fletcher dcf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:47:21 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: german automobiles Message-ID: <003101be2dfd$09de6c20$17d690d0@Pvosburg> Edsel? DV (BZZZZ!!! Ooh, I'm sorry, Dave! You forgot to phrase your answer as a question...) -----Original Message----- From: David & Carol Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 6:02 PM Subject: Re: german automobiles >Diego Fernetti wrote: > >The car: 1913 MB torpedo >The simpler of the two received. 18 parts + optional closed top. Sparse >instruction sheet, no plans, no color list. Only a picture of a finished >model, in a greenish shade... color options (the green specimen looks >> suspicious), instrument panel layout, etc, etc... > >It so happens that another of my hobbies is Mercedes-Benz automobiles >(numbers 5 and 6 in a long line are sitting in the driveway right now - >and, no, I'm not rich, they are 17 years old and 24 years old >respectively). The most common colour for Mercedes was white, although >I have examples of black and red & black vehicles and that rather >bilious green you mention. It would best be described as 'light khaki', >so it might fit quite nicely in a WWI diorama. The car it is on has the >solid disk wheels (no PE required?). I can scan in some photo's if you >want. > >Trivial Pursuit question: Herr Jellinek sponsored two makes of >automobile and had each named after one of his daughters - Mercedes went >down in history - what was her now-forgotten sister's name? > >Merry Xmas! > >Dave Fletcher >dcf@mars.ark.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:04:17 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Book find Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981222190417.00a95aa0@pop.mindspring.com> A chance pass by the used book store yielded a copy of The Rand NcNally Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft 1914 - 1980 by Enzo Angelucci for US $5.98 . There are 107 pages of WWI content out of 518 total. The color plates are probably somewhat suspect, but the scale comparisons are neat and there are little 3 view line drawings of everything that is pictured on the color plates. Can anyone familiar with such resources tell me where the drawings in this book fall on the correctness scale? sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:34:43 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Subject: Just for fun Message-ID: <199812230542.AAA06627@sam.on-net.net> Q: How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331: 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are un subscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb news group. 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here. 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. Merry Christmas, Dave Watts ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1347 **********************