WWI Digest 1342 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by Pedro e Francisca Soares 2) Re: New Images by Pedro e Francisca Soares 3) Re: Caproni ca 3 by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 4) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 5) Re: fuselage thinning by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 6) Re: New Images by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 7) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by "David R.L. Laws" 8) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by Mike Fletcher 9) RE: New Images by Shane Weier 10) RE: Shane Raises the Bar! by Shane Weier 11) RE: Shane Raises the Bar! by Shane Weier 12) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by "David R.L. Laws" 13) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by "David R.L. Laws" 14) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by Zulis@aol.com 15) Re: Sopwith Triplane by Modelhound@aol.com 16) RE: Shane Raises the Bar! by Mike Dicianna 17) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by "Charles or Linda Duckworth" 18) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by "cameron rile" 19) Re: The scratchbuilt Bristol by "cameron rile" 20) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by SMS 21) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by Carlos Valdes 22) Off Topic Help and Re. Shane by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 23) N.124 by "David Vosburgh" 24) Change of address by John Berlien 25) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by Veronica Ugulano 26) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by "P. Howard" 27) Re: Change of address by "Lee Mensinger" 28) Re: N.124 by Mike Fletcher 29) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by Mike Fletcher 30) CYMK values by John Huggins 31) Re: CYMK values by Bob Pearson 32) Re: CYMK values by Bob Pearson 33) Re: Shane Raises the Bar! by Ernest Thomas 34) Scale Aircraft Modelling Jan 1999 Vol 20 No. 11 & Latest Scale Models by Graham Nash 35) Re: N.124 by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:29:41 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <367985D5.72E9A72E@mail.telepac.pt> Allan Wright wrote: > Hi Everyone! > > Do yourself a favor and check out the images Shane just sent me of his > Bristol Fighter. They're on-line on his section of my web page at: > > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Weier/index.html > > I'm stunned - fantastic and quite possibly the most impressive scratch > built model I've observed. > > -Al Shane, I know a place where they give away P-51D rides for that kind of stuff. Contact me off list if interested :-) Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:34:10 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Re: New Images Message-ID: <367986E2.6D73B610@mail.telepac.pt> > > > > From: 尾崎 浩久 > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: RE: New Images > > > Date: quinta-feira, 17 de dezembro de 1998 1:13 > > > > > > > > > Pedro, > > > > > > Good job and beautiful birds. > > > I don't like Fokker Dr.I reason I don't know why, but I like your pretty > > > nice model. > > > What did you use yellow paint? > > > > > > Hiro > > Hey Hiro, > > Good to hear again from you and I hope you're feeling better nowadays. > > Thanks for the kind words. > > As to Yellow, I used a cheap household yellow paint (robialac brand) that I > buy at the supermarket in 1/4 litre tins. One tin will last a whole life and > they spray very well. > > There is a great deal of controversy about this particular aircraft, > particularly in what concerns the use of yellow. I tried to match a painting > on the cover of an issue of the french Avions magazine that shows the fuselage > crosses painted over a yellow fuselage, just as I did. Still the fuselage side > anchors on this particular painting appear as yellow too, but I choose to use > the black ones on the decal sheet since I have not that steady a hand to paint > the new anchors and after all, who is to say that the original anchors weren't > black in the first place? > > Um abraco > > Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:48:50 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Caproni ca 3 Message-ID: <19981217.165250.-844193.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:45:09 -0500 (EST) Franco Poloni writes: >ok, I must have a photo somewhere, and I will scann it.... >but where do I have to send it? to you?or to Allan? It doesn't matter, but Al's page is devoted to WW1, while mine is a club page. At some point in time, all of the WW1 content of my club will go to Al, probably before he starts burning CD's. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:52:16 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <19981217.165250.-844193.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:37:42 -0500 (EST) Allan Wright writes: > Do yourself a favor and check out the images Shane just sent me of >his >Bristol Fighter. They're on-line on his section of my web page at: Oh mah gawd... Utterly fantastic, amazing, and breathtaking. All that in a Braille Scale model! ;-) I never thought I would live to see the day... :-) Keep up the great work, Shane! However, I do like a certain correct scale Halberstadt on the same page... Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:50:52 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: fuselage thinning Message-ID: <19981217.165250.-844193.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:17:31 -0500 (EST) "Diego Fernetti" writes: >I've found this part of the modelling >necessary, >specially in limited run injection molded kits, where the parts are >heavily >cast, but I find difficult to sand the inside of small corners or >complex >curves and retain its shape, mainly because I have the "create" >concave >space, a negative of the exterior of the fuselage. >Maybe we can share different approachs to this? I don't know if the >topic >were discussed before, but I'd like to hear your opinions anyway. Lots of tools. Xacto #11 blade, #10 blade, other blades, Xacto mini-files, sanding sticks, sandpaper "straight", sandpaper on some type of "handle", etc. Anything I can find that will help. First start out - usually - with a Dremel, though. I actually had a tough time on the various curves of the MoS Type I. However, with persaverance (sp?) it will come out. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:55:09 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Images Message-ID: <19981217.165605.-844193.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:38:57 -0500 (EST) Pedro e Francisca Soares writes: >Pedro (who's feeling high, with a little help from his friends) That is brightening, and makes a day worthwhile itself! Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:11:59 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <367A1C5F.6917@webtime.com.au> Geoff, A Whimpy, now your'e talking !! david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:02:25 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <36798D81.B1223E67@mars.ark.com> seen it - there was a 1/48th scale Wellington at a contest in Victoria recently - made by an old guy - it was the most impressive model there but it made one wonder about the poor guy's sanity Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:01:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New Images Message-ID: Pedro describes: > feeling high, with a little help from his friends) ....an orgy. By friends I suppose he means Frisky etc. Shane (BTW, damn nice models ! I wonder how long before Netsense cuts me off from Matts site?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:03:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: Geoff, David > A Whimpy, now your'e talking !! > 1. Not a WW1 subject 2. Not a WW1 subject 3. Not a WW1 subject 4. .....you know the rest.... Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:14:34 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: Matt: > All that in a Braille Scale model! ;-) I never thought I would > live to see the day... :-) > You won't live past it if you keep that up :-| ;-) > Keep up the great work, Shane! However, I do like a certain correct > scale Halberstadt on the same page... > Me too, and now I'm going to make a nice one in the right and proper scale of 1/48, using the Pegasus as a model to build a model! This morning when I dug in my archives for my first post I re-read my intro. I said back then that I built in *both* scales but mostly 1/48. Nothing has changed ! The 1/48 models are *still* nicest ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:34:59 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <367A21C2.5CCC@webtime.com.au> Shane Weier wrote: > > Geoff, David > > > A Whimpy, now your'e talking !! > > > > 1. Not a WW1 subject > 2. Not a WW1 subject > 3. Not a WW1 subject > 4. .....you know the rest.... > > Shane Aw your'e just cross because I didn't kow tow, genuflect and strew the ground before you with rose petals when you dropped over last night ... You only have yourself to blame you know - Every time you get a compliment on your latest tour d' force you just brush it aside or find fault with your own masterpieces, .... so there !!!@ David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:37:05 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <367A2241.D78@webtime.com.au> Mike, any chance of getting an address for said crazy old guy ? Dad flew Whimpies and I'm doing one for him David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:01:40 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <2b267b5c.36798d54@aol.com> Shane; I knew it was going to be good but, wow! I even (foolishly) thought the countdown was building up expectations no model could possible meet. Shows how much I know.... Diego wrote: << But, it will take me 35 years to achieve wheels like those? Oh my oh my oh my >> It could take me 35 lifetimes and I wouldn't achieve wheels like those..... :-) And the gun? Aeeeeee...... Congrats! Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:21:57 EST From: Modelhound@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane Message-ID: <54211a6b.36799215@aol.com> In a message dated 12/17/98 2:44:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt writes: << WHERE THE HECK > >do the landing and flying wires pass through the middle wing!!??? I've > >stared at photos, drawings, and other models and I'm still unsure of what > >the best method is for determining where to drill! >> I write: I built a 1/72 Tripehound once. Used stretched sprue for the rigging. Instead of using one piece passing through the wing, I used two pieces. One above and one below. Positioning by trial and error, using white glue, until it looked correct to the Mk.1 eyeball and then marking the spot with a pencil. A small dimple in the surface of the wing painted flat black looks like a hole near enough. Replace with a slightly longer piece of sprue rigging into the dimple and voila. If you're set on using line to rig the beast, the same method works except drill the hole in the wing after the trial and error part using a small bit with a piece of masking tape wrapped around the blunt end for a handle. I used this method to get the flying wires through the lower wing to the attachment point at the lower longeron on a Sopwith Pup. Patience is a virtue here. Mike Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:31:10 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981217163110.0069ef28@dnc.net> A truly wonderful effort! I especially like the superdetails, the lewis guns, all that stitching, the subtle rib weathering.... Kind of makes me want to do something in PC-10....I know, that borders on blasphemy on my part, but I am sooooo very impressed! Thanks for sharing this one! Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:18:17 -0600 From: "Charles or Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <199812180112.TAA11260@mail.primary.net> Wonderful work, Shane am forwarding to a couple of 'WWII and jet' only builders to so them what a real model airplane looks like! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:50:14 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <199812171757594@cameron.prontomail.com> WOW, it looks absolutely fantastic. cam Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:09:11 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The scratchbuilt Bristol Message-ID: <199812171817024@cameron.prontomail.com> Shane, just want to say offlist that the Bristol is absolutely marvellous, the attention to detail is phenomenal and it looks fantastic. Congratulations on such fine work. I have put a link up to it from : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/afca00_rsmith.htm I hopeyou dont mind, if you think the link is inappropriate or you disagree with it being linked there, tell me and I will remove it. But to reiterate the first paragraph. The Bristol looks marvellous, I spent ages looking over the jpgs at all the differant details. cam Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:14:22 -0600 From: SMS To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <3679BA7C.262CD2BE@netins.net> Stunning! Steve S. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:07:14 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <3679C6E2.1C7D@conted.gatech.edu> Amazing work, Shane. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:43:12 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Off Topic Help and Re. Shane Message-ID: <3679ce82.3221986@legend.firstsaga.com> On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:22:05 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Amazing work, Shane. > Without any doubts ! Now for the help: Anyone of the list members really good at solving internet related problems ? If so please contact me by direct e-mail as I have a particularly perplexing problem accessing both APC Hobbies and Hannants sites. TIA Len Visit the Swap'N' Shop pages... http://www2.firstsaga.com/lfendy/fof_site.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:08:04 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: N.124 Message-ID: <002801be2a3c$0409ad60$10d690d0@Pvosburg> Years ago I picked up "Victor Chapman's Letters from France" and James McConnell's "Flying for France", and have finally gotten around to reading them. So naturally I'm off on a Nieuport kick. Where should my first stop be on the research trail? My French refs are woefully slim... Harleyford's "Fighters", the Farre' paintings, some WWI Aeros and the Witcomb Escadrille article in "Scale Models" from 10/72 come to mind, but that's about it. Not counting Matt's file and Mike & Robert's profiles online, of course. Not many specifics per markings/colors in the books... in an undated letter, McConnell mentions an "army moving picture unit" which came and filmed them while the unit was based near Verdun. He says that the films would be shown in the US, and "If you happen to see them you will recognize my machine by the MAC, painted on the side." The frontispiece of the book shows the photo of him standing by an N.11 (well, it looks like an 11 to me, anyway) with a relatively dark fuselage and the white footprint on the side. When he was killed, he was flying a 17 (presumably) refered to as "avion 2055". Chapman's machines are mentioned in a letter by his mechanic after he was shot down, which says: "In order not to be visible in his new machine (the 80 horsepower machine was an entirely white machine, the 110 was painted green like grass), he had amused himself two days before his death by scratching off the green paint with a coin of ten centimes, so as to make the machine less visible. I, his mechanician, had painted the fuselage a pale gray." He goes on to say that he told Chapman not to fly until the paint had dried, and he replied "Who cares for paint! If I bring down my Boche, that's as good as a new coat of paint." (BTW, "mechanician" is a real word. I looked it up.) Details? Opinions? Sources? Idle speculations?? I'd appreciate hearing any and all. Thanks as always, Dave V. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:39:29 -0800 From: John Berlien To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Change of address Message-ID: Guys, how do I change my email address for the list, so that my messages start going to that new address? Thanks, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:22:49 -0500 From: Veronica Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <199812172323_MC2-640D-FB89@compuserve.com> Shane, Just returned from your web page. Absolutely a beautiful model. Well worth all of the years you put in. Very, very impressive. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:34:28 -0600 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <004601be2a3f$b3d2de80$39868ece@phoward> Shane, I'd just like to say "WE'RE NOT WORTHY!" Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Allan Wright To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 7:38 AM Subject: Shane Raises the Bar! >Hi Everyone! > > Do yourself a favor and check out the images Shane just sent me of his >Bristol Fighter. They're on-line on his section of my web page at: > >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Weier/index.html > > I'm stunned - fantastic and quite possibly the most impressive scratch >built model I've observed. > >-Al > >=========================================================================== ==== >Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! >University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- >Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu >=========================================================================== ==== > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:03:17 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, j-berlien@ti.com Subject: Re: Change of address Message-ID: <3679E215.D7DFA0DD@wireweb.net> Sir, I believe the best, (easiest is to simply ignore the old address and re-subscribe using the new address. The UNH server will sever the relationship with the old address as soon as the e-mail server at the old address returns e-mail to the list. Mine was severed in a 16 hour period of one day and I had to re-subscribe because my name had already been removed from the membership list. I took my machine off line to install some new equipment and the mail piled up. ZAP you are a goner and all the mail will be received at the new address. I was taken off, re-subscribed and was back on the 16th of December. So this is not something from the dark ages. Try it. It works. Lee John Berlien wrote: > Guys, how do I change my email address for the list, so that > my messages start going to that new address? > > Thanks, > > Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:02:31 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: N.124 Message-ID: <3679EFF7.BE3ED007@mars.ark.com> the reference to a grey finish no doubt was the silver doping - I have seen it referred to as grey before (batch differences perhaps?) but I assumed that they were merely weathered. white = cdl? I seem to recall having seen pictures of his n.11/16 but I do not have anything listed. 2055 should have been a 17 or 21 which is also missing from my list. (could I get a scan?) OTF and Cross and Cockade have had articles on the unit - there was an american int report on the unit in C+C but I am missing the vol# (poss 20/1 or 2/1). C+C v2/1, C+C autumn 74, C+C US 8/3, C+C US 3/2 all had something about the unit (sometimes pics only though). The Nieuport Datafiles are also a good place to look and afaik there are several books on the unit itself (I have not explored this angle yet however). The reference to movies being shot reminds me that Paris supposedly has warehouses full of undeveloped ww1 footage - unfortunately the money and interest appearently goes to Napoleon instead. I have found movie footage of possibly the rarest Nieuport to receive a number - an N82 being started up - it was broadcast on one of the pop aviation shows in Canada and the US with no understanding as toi what it was. This was a trainer developed from the unsuccessful N.14 and some appear to have made it to Japan (still looking for pics from that end though). Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:15:26 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <3679F2FE.7E772EBE@mars.ark.com> Wow! (I gave up on smash molding - I made a small vacuform machine that fit over the end of a vacuum hose and does up to 1.5" across) Mike Fletcher quitting while I am ahead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:44:39 -0600 From: John Huggins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: CYMK values Message-ID: Fellow list members, I have been working on some files that I hope to convert to decal masters. These are Lozenge files and the final goal would be to scan in the wing shapes for various German a/c wing shapes, mark the rib positions then lay the lozenge panels over these, then place the rib tapes. The final step would be to print the decal. So far all I have are the pattern shapes and the CYMK values taken from the files on the silverbird site files. To muddy the waters a bit, I have found at least 6 different sets of Lozenge decals in both 1/72 and 1/48 scale. All of the sheets have the same pattern, but all have different colors on them. I have pretty good faith in the colors from Silverbird. My question is: do any of you have the Munsel/CYMK color names/values in your files for any other colors used? I need the Night Lozenge, Navel Hex (2 styles) and any other colors used. There are also bomber colors mentioned, but I do not have any hard reference to these. I am building a color file to use in the Coral 8 program. If any of you would share the values I would appreciate it very much. I would also like to get the CYMK values for any of the solid colors and CDL. The next set of colors would be the allied values. Thanks in advance John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:52:27 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: CYMK values Message-ID: <07522752808878@KAIEN.COM> John, Last year I crossed referenced 150+ colours in the Methuen to a colour book and posted the results here. Richard Humberstone took these numbers and made an Illustrator style sheet from it. I have been using these numbers for my profile work ever since. I no longer have a text version of the numbers on my computer, however it should be in the archives for August 1987 regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: John Huggins > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: CYMK values > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:42:30 -0500 (EST) > > Fellow list members, > I have been working on some files that I hope to convert to decal > masters. These are Lozenge files and the final goal would be to scan > in the wing shapes for various German a/c wing shapes, mark the rib > positions then lay the lozenge panels over these, then place the rib > tapes. The final step would be to print the decal. > > So far all I have are the pattern shapes and the CYMK values taken > from the files on the silverbird site files. To muddy the waters a > bit, I have found at least 6 different sets of Lozenge decals in both > 1/72 and 1/48 scale. All of the sheets have the same pattern, but > all have different colors on them. I have pretty good faith in the > colors from Silverbird. My question is: do any of you have the > Munsel/CYMK color names/values in your files for any other colors > used? I need the Night Lozenge, Navel Hex (2 styles) and any other > colors used. There are also bomber colors mentioned, but I do not > have any hard reference to these. > > I am building a color file to use in the Coral 8 program. If any of > you would share the values I would appreciate it very much. I would > also like to get the CYMK values for any of the solid colors and CDL. > The next set of colors would be the allied values. > > Thanks in advance > John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:52:57 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: CYMK values Message-ID: <07525770108881@KAIEN.COM> John, Last year I crossed referenced 150+ colours in the Methuen to a colour book and posted the results here. Richard Humberstone took these numbers and made an Illustrator style sheet from it. I have been using these numbers for my profile work ever since. I no longer have a text version of the numbers on my computer, however it should be in the archives for August 1987 regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 05:57:34 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Shane Raises the Bar! Message-ID: <367A432E.1957@bellsouth.net> Allan Wright wrote: > I'm stunned - fantastic and quite possibly the most impressive scratch > built model I've observed. Oh, I suppose it's ok if you like Biffs.:) EtH. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:08:40 +0000 From: Graham Nash To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Scale Aircraft Modelling Jan 1999 Vol 20 No. 11 & Latest Scale Models Message-ID: <199812181201.HAA13200@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Just picked up the lastest issue of SAm to find:- Alan W Hall has left to concentarte on his Warpaint books, Andy Sheppard becomes Editor, with Neil Robinson ( Quarter Scale Modeller, and Sevemty-Second Scale modeller) becoming Managing Editor. News/Olds: Toko W.29 and Sop.Salamander released Blue Max Biff and Halb Cl.II released Reviews Maquette D.H9A Dako Sikorsky S-16 For the Film buffs amoungst you, there is a full page ad. from The Armchair Dogfighter/Belle & Blade (tel: 201 328 8488, for videos of all those on-topic films A quick run-down on those I recognise are: X112 Wings $19.98 X113 The Blue Max $19.98 X114 Ace of Aces $29.98 X115 Hells Angels $19.98 X116 The Eagle and the Hawk $24.98 X117 The Dawn Patrol (Flynn)$19.98 X118 The Dawn Patrol(1930) $24.98 X122 Lilac Time $29.98 X124 Zeppelin $19.98 X127 The Red Baron $19.98 (Richthofen & Brown?) Otherwise, that's it. The latest Scale Models (which I didn't buy) only has a build of the 1/48th resin Vimy, plus a colour profile (and I think a three-view plan) of the same. Regards Sniffy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 05:20:07 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: N.124 Message-ID: <19981218.052920.-845963.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:01:35 -0500 (EST) Mike Fletcher writes: >the reference to a grey finish no doubt was the silver doping - I >have >seen it referred to as grey before (batch differences perhaps?) but I >assumed that they were merely weathered. >white = cdl? Actually, there are reports that the machine was in fact painted gray. >The reference to movies being shot reminds me that Paris supposedly >has >warehouses full of undeveloped ww1 footage - unfortunately the money >and >interest appearently goes to Napoleon instead. I have found movie >footage of possibly the rarest Nieuport to receive a number - an N82 >being started up - it was broadcast on one of the pop aviation >shows >in Canada and the US with no understanding as toi what it was. This >was >a trainer developed from the unsuccessful N.14 and some appear to >have >made it to Japan (still looking for pics from that end though). Awhile ago, while surfin' cable, I stopped on The History Channel because it had a half-hour special on N.124. Unfortunately I don't remember the specifics. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1342 **********************