WWI Digest 1338

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
	by The Shannons <shingend@ix.netcom.com>
  2) RE: Eduard Sopwith Baby
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
  3) Re: Rigging article
	by Rick Milas <rmilas@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
  4) Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
	by Rick Milas <rmilas@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
  5) Re: Monogram Se 5a.
	by "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
  6) Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
	by Rick Milas <rmilas@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
  7) Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
	by David Kinnear <dkinnear@cisco.com>
  8) Re: Eduard Sopwith Baby
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
  9) Re: How many... 
	by "Vincent Price" <vprice@world.net>
 10) Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
	by "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
 11) Re: How many...
	by hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de
 12) Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
	by bpearson@kaien.com (Bob Pearson)
 13) RE: Flight Sim
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 14) Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 15) Re: Rigging article
	by Veronica Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
 16) RE: Eduard Sopwith Baby
	by Veronica Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
 17) Re: Rigging article
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 18) Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
	by "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
 19) ODP: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
	by Tomasz Gronczewski <t.gronczewski@ecb.com.pl>
 20) Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
	by "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
 21) Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
	by "Gerald P. McOsker" <amadon@efortress.com>
 22) Re: Monogram Se 5a.
	by "Gerald P. McOsker" <amadon@efortress.com>
 23) Re: ODP: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
	by Kevin Wenker <kwenker@interaccess.com>
 24) Re: Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 25) Sniffer Strikes!
	by Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
 26) Avro 504N
	by Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
 27) Airfix WW1 Tank
	by Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
 28) Re: Re: Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
	by GRBroman@aol.com
 29) Re: Eduard Sopwith Baby
	by Geoff Smith <geoff-smith@cwcom.net>
 30) Re: Rigging article
	by SmudgeRIO@aol.com
 31) RE: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 32) QUESTION: How fixed are your schedules   WAS: Eduard Sopwith Baby
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 33) RE: Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 34) How many: The unscientific analysis
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 35) Re: QUESTION: How fixed are your schedules  
	by "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:17:22 -0600
From: The Shannons <shingend@ix.netcom.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
Message-ID: <3675D4C2.86FC7D59@ix.netcom.com>

> > On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:12:08 -0500 (EST) "Steven M. Perry"
> > <smperry@mindspring.com> writes:
> >
> > >OK list:
> > >1) How many models have you built this year?
> > >2) How many finished WWI models do you have?
> > >3) How many unbuilt WWI kits to you have?
> > 4) I'll add one:  how many are started, close to completion?
>

1.  Three on topic (two started in fall '97
    Eduard Morane-Saulnier "L"
    Eduard Albatros C.III
    Eduard Pfalz D.III
    Plus a half dozen off-topic (1/72nd second unpleasantness and 1/700
ships)
2. Nine -- one was just subtracted to get parts for a new start project.
3. 10 -- mostly Eduard plus a Glencoe Nieuport 28
4. 2 -- Monogram/Lindberg bashing SE5a and Eduard Nieu. XVII Guynemer.

My own insertion:

How many are you expecting to get for Christmas or with gift money -- 1? 2?
The Profilipack (or whatever it is) Nieu. XVII (Barraca -- what else) maybe
another Albatros D.III or D.V/Va or a Pfalz to convert to D.IIIa.  I've got
too many unfinished projects on line....

--
This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon
at Shingend@ix.netcom.com

The early bird catches the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the
cheese..



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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:50:57 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Eduard Sopwith Baby
Message-ID: <A1654E835D0CD111B0730060B06865CD93F13A@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

Charlie and Ernest 

> > biggest problem I see is deciding on which markings to use. 
> What were
> your plans?
> 
> I'm planning on the PC10 or PC12 horizonal surfaces with the 
> CDL fuselage,
> this scheme is in the Datafile No. 60 on the Baby;  photo No. 
> 46 serial
> number 8188 on page 35.  I've been looking for an a/c to put this
> attractive scheme on and it should look rather 'smart' on the 
> Sopwith Baby.
>  Should be an ealy model  to built as the rigging is simple.  
> Nice way to
> start the new year off right.  
> 

All this chatter had me digging mine out last night. Wish I'd bought a
couple because the Ansaldo version is different enough to warrant a
model too - and those red and green wingtips are so colourful.

Rigging isn't too foul, but there *are* double flying wires to contend
with. A lovely model, I do wish you folks would stop mentioning a
different kit every day, since my build list is now rotating so fast
reading the "next up" position is in danger of making me giddy.

Shane
nb.	Two Eduard D.V
nu.	Heck, who knows. CSM Dornier D.I? Eduard Hannover or Tripehound
or Baby or D.III or...
nsbp.	Caproni Ca.3 or perhaps something *really* ambitious.
nl.	Ticking clock. At this time of year the chief attraction of work
is going home from it.
nr.	Hikoki RNAS book. Looked through the pictures and captions
several times, now I'm reading the written bits :-)

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:34:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Milas <rmilas@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rigging article
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981214223223.25410A-100000@staff1.cso.uiuc.edu>

I'm intrigued by this rigging article that I'm reading bits and pieces of.
The rigging method is one I might like to try, but I don't know the
details.  Could you share this article with the rest of us?  Thanks.
Rick M


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:39:21 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Milas <rmilas@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981214223756.25410B-100000@staff1.cso.uiuc.edu>

Can this unofficial patch for RBII be used with the RB3D upgrade?  I
recently upgraded RBII to RB3D.
Rick M


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:00:17 +0000
From: "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Monogram Se 5a.
Message-ID: <36767981.121A@webtime.com.au>

Gerry

Don't know what to say !

Cann't thank you enough - Been everywhere looking for this one and then
you ride in like the cavalry !!

Hope the redoubtable Mick is well and enjoying himself 

If I can offer you anything in return please let me know

Very best for Christmas and the comming year

regards

david

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:44:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Milas <rmilas@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981214224156.25410C-100000@staff1.cso.uiuc.edu>

On the subject of what I am hoping or expecting to get for Christmas, I
took my kids to the local hobby shop, showed them the Eduard Albatros
DIII, and told them that it sure would be nice to get that for Christmas!
Rick M


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:17:19 -0800
From: David Kinnear <dkinnear@cisco.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981214211718.00858d00@danube.cisco.com>

David

I just had a look at Sierra's home page. They have a page for all their Mac
line up and RB's name was not there.

You can have a look yourself at

http://www.sierra.com/

in case I'm wrong

David


At 06:20 PM 12/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Cameron
>
>Is RB2 available for the mac ?
>
>david
>
>

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:18:22 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Eduard Sopwith Baby
Message-ID: <3675F11E.705A@bellsouth.net>

Shane Weier wrote:
> 
> Charlie and Ernest
> 
> > > biggest problem I see is deciding on which markings to use.
> > What were
> > your plans?
> >
> > I'm planning on the PC10 or PC12 horizonal surfaces with the
> > CDL fuselage,
> > this scheme is in the Datafile No. 60 on the Baby;  photo No.
> > 46 serial
> > number 8188 on page 35.  I've been looking for an a/c to put this
> > attractive scheme on and it should look rather 'smart' on the
> > Sopwith Baby.
> >  Should be an ealy model  to built as the rigging is simple.
> > Nice way to
> > start the new year off right.
> >
> 
> All this chatter had me digging mine out last night. Wish I'd bought a
> couple because the Ansaldo version is different enough to warrant a
> model too - and those red and green wingtips are so colourful.
> 
> 
I don't have mine out, but iirc, it has a set of RNAS markings with red
& white checkerboard on nose and tail, which I just love, and also
markings for a Royal Norwegian Navy bird too, yes? That also looks kinda
spiffy. Would also be something nice to break the monotony of all those
balkenkreuze and roundels I hope to transfer from the closet to a shelf
sometime before I keel over and rattle. So I too wouldn't mind getting
another Baby. Lets see what I get for xmas and b-day(in 44 minutes) or
just how much moolah is left after the holiday. I should be able to
wrangle $10.
E.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:39:48 +1100
From: "Vincent Price" <vprice@world.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: How many... 
Message-ID: <m0zpnMV-00EtGFC@mailarray.mpx.com.au>


A slack year - except for the wallet!

1) How many models have you built this year? 
Two, Eduard HB D1 and Pegasus Phonix D.1. Blue Max Sopwith Camel on the
bench.

2) How many finished WWI models do you have?
Nine.

3) How many unbuilt WWI kits to you have?
I'm was almost embarrassed until I read Mr Bittner's mail.....123!!


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:32:31 +0000
From: "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
Message-ID: <36769D2F.1BFA@webtime.com.au>

Thanks for the bad news on RB2 for Mac guys ... Oh the " dark side "
beckons !!!

david

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:07:32 +0100
From: hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: How many...
Message-ID: <C12566DB.002C426E.00@mailhost.gis-online.de>

>OK list:
>1) How many models have you built this year?
>2) How many finished WWI models do you have?
>3) How many unbuilt WWI kits to you have?
>4) How many started kits on your workbench?>>
1) 5
2) 7
3) about 25
4) 4 - 2 x Fokker D VII , Rolanc CII , off-topic Mig 29

Best regards,
Hans-Juergen Glueck



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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:57:30 -0800
From: bpearson@kaien.com (Bob Pearson)
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
Message-ID: <v01540b01b29be29356fb@[204.244.50.26]>

>Thanks for the bad news on RB2 for Mac guys ... Oh the " dark side "
>beckons !!!
>
>david

No David, don't do it ..... the truth will win out eventually (like in say
1 year and 16 days from now when all the IBMs go blank and we Macs can
continue on )

Bob



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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:18:09 -0200
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Flight Sim
Message-ID: <000401be280b$d8ce42a0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>


-----Mensaje original-----
De: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>

>No David, don't do it ..... the truth will win out eventually (like in say
>1 year and 16 days from now when all the IBMs go blank and we Macs can
>continue on )
>
>Bob



Yes, Bob, Mac rules! I have an old, old flying game in my Mac that flies
around the darn Flight Simulator 98 in this PC. But the sad thing is that
I'm connected to the web only on the PC... It's a boundary.
D.


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:27:42 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
Message-ID: <199812151037.KAA00617@beryl.sol.co.uk>

> Very definitely yes. A recently *finished* long term project still lacks
> the addition of 24 valve springs omitted in the rush to complete the
> model for two contests last month. No-one else noticed...

Did I miss a mail on this, Shane? How did it do?
Sandy

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:50:56 -0500
From: Veronica Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rigging article
Message-ID: <199812150651_MC2-63AA-FF51@compuserve.com>

Hi Rick,

        >> I'm intrigued by this rigging article that I'm reading bits and
pieces of.
The rigging method is one I might like to try, but I don't know the
details.  Could you share this article with the rest of us? <<

        I will be more than happy to share.  I have been sending it via e
mail to any who have asked for it.  Give me your address and it yours. 
Free of charge even.  <G>

Dennis Ugulano
email:  Uggies@compuserve.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:50:55 -0500
From: Veronica Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Eduard Sopwith Baby
Message-ID: <199812150651_MC2-63AA-FF50@compuserve.com>

Good Morning Shane,

>> I do wish you folks would stop mentioning a
different kit every day, since my build list is now rotating so fast
reading the "next up" position is in danger of making me giddy. <<

        I understand where you are at.  I told you I wasn't going to build
any more for this year but I may not have told you the truth.  I placed and
order for the AMC/Eduard Voisin yesterday.  I have wanted that kit for
decades.  When it arrives, everything will stop.  If it is of the same
quality as their other kits, I will have it completed in about a week.

Dennis Ugulano
email:  Uggies@compuserve.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:11:04 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Rigging article
Message-ID: <367651D8.3C0D@bellsouth.net>

Veronica Ugulano wrote:
 
>         I will be more than happy to share.  I have been sending it via e
> mail to any who have asked for it.  Give me your address and it yours.
> Free of charge even.  <G>


A delayed 'Welcome to the list'. Could you send out one more copy of
that article? tia

Ernest Thomas
New Orleans LA

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:47:16 -0800
From: "cameron rile" <cameron@prontomail.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
Message-ID: <199812150450572@cameron.prontomail.com>

Rick wrote: "Can this unofficial patch for RBII be used with the RB3D upgrade?  I recently upgraded RBII to RB3D."

Yes it works with any version of RB2 , I have RB3d and it works fine. You may get  little pause as the new schemes are loaded when a plane spawns. If that happens and you cant live with it just reinstall RB2. Only a low end machine with a 4 meg V1 will get that little pause ( the UOP isnt the only reason to blame, dynamix but a high overhead on the AI when a plane spawns as well. ). I think the UOP patch is worth it for the reason that Voss is in his correct plane scheme and the Jasta's and RFC squads have been gone over, makes the RB2 sim world a more colourful and enlightening place. Everty ace has his particular aircraft assigned now even if it is only a flight letter on the upper wing and fus.

The patch gets updated pretty fast so keep an eye out for any developments too if you like it. There is always some new addition being done.


David wrote: Thanks for the bad news on RB2 for Mac guys ... Oh the " dark side " beckons !!!"

IMPO I dont know why game companies dont develop on the linux system , it is free and they could install it and make it transparent to the user ( ie user could still believe they were on the Win system yet being running in Linux ). Linux supports the OpenGL interface so 3D enhanced games can be done with ease and Linux has the added advantage, it is faster than Win and isnt anywhere near as bloated or crappy. Also a developer can write optimised drivers for differant hardware to match the game. So far only ID have had the guts ot do a LInux port. Hopefully the big sim developers will too one day. There is a Linux (freeware) flight sim being developed at :

http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt/fgfs/

so maybe there is hope for the future.

cam

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:04:50 +-100
From: Tomasz Gronczewski <t.gronczewski@ecb.com.pl>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: ODP: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
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you have to become part of the intel/win oligarchy to enjoy Red Baron 2, =
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:01:56 +1000
From: "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
Message-ID: <3673BAC0.2371@webtime.com.au>

Bless you Bob

vox calmatis in deserto ??

david



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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:14:26 -0500
From: "Gerald P. McOsker" <amadon@efortress.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
Message-ID: <v04102f01b29c1e54bd4a@[205.181.168.88]>

> David wrote: "Is RB2 available for the mac ?"
>
> 'Fraid not mate , you have to become part of the intel/win oligarchy to 
> enjoy Red Baron 2, that means a PII 350 with a 12 Meg 3dfx V2 card as 
> minimum.
>



I keep a PC around just to play RB and Flying Corps- it was a Compaq 
Presario P 133 but I upgraded it to a 200MHZ MMX Evergreen chip and threw 
in a Matrox Mystique 3D card- and attached a Sidewinder joystick- then I 
took RBII and turned it in for RB3d- works fine- my only bitch is tha tI 
can't do Zeppelins as in the original RB [DOS].

I looaothe Microsoft and think windows is a 4th rate [ not nautical] 
system- but you gotta do what you gotta do!


Tonight I'm going to initiate Mick into the mysteries of flying an Albatross-
Cheers
Gerry

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:18:45 -0500
From: "Gerald P. McOsker" <amadon@efortress.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Monogram Se 5a.
Message-ID: <v04102f02b29c200d251a@[205.181.168.88]>

David-
Enjoy-
try to be merciful to the Poms- if they lose too badly they will change the 
rules!

Gerry

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:25:28 -0600
From: Kevin Wenker <kwenker@interaccess.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: ODP: Flight Sim(RB2), UnOfficialPatch3.0 released
Message-ID: <36767158.2160@interaccess.com>

Tomasz Gronczewski wrote:
> I can't agree. PII 350 is reasonable choice but 12 MB 3dfx II is really =
> not necessary. I have upgraded RB2 with 3D patch but I still prefer =
> playing in standard graphics mode. I just think that 3dfx mode is not =
> good implemented.
> 

No offense, but I think you are absolutely wrong.  Not only is the 3D
well executed, but with EVERYTHING going to 3D these days, that type of
card is no longer a luxery.  Red Baron runs better in GLIDE and really
comes into its own in that genre.  Getting a high end PC with the #D
12MB graphics card is like getting a car without a motor.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:26:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
Message-ID: <199812151426.JAA00145@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> In a message dated ( yade, yada, yada) Allan Wright wrote:
> <<1) 3 (With being recently single, dating is cutting into my modeling time)>>
> 
> Hey Allan, 
> Doesn't TOKO make women obsolete?  ;)

Well, with my current situation, I'm beginning to lean towards that 
conclution......I haven't been having much luck getting into the single
scene after 7 years of marriage......

At least there are some great new kits available.....

Oh, on my list I said 4 kits completed. Make that 5 - I did finally finish
my first scratch built armoured car in 1/64 scale.....it was a learning 
experience. Came out looking good, but it ended up 1/64 scale in height and
length and about 1/85 scale in width (Argh!). Well, it was mainly a learning
project in scratch building so I'm happy and encouraged. I'm going to do 
it again, but instead of winging it I'll draw up some plans on CAD to go
from.

I'm thinking of making the next one in parts I can cast so I can do multiples
of it (for wargaming). I wonder if anyone would be interested in building 
1/64 scale WWI armoured cars if I did that? I'm talking shipping cost here.
I'd cast most of the big parts in allumilite and the small stuff in 
lead, which I have a lot of experience with. I've already molded up the
1/64 scale vickers and lewis guns. They came out well.....

> operative word "finished".  My "in progress" drawer looks like Tony Fokker's
> main shop floor at quitting time on Friday afternoon.  I finished two Bittner
> scale Emhar Mark IV's, one each male and female, and another 1/76 Airfix Mark
> I.   But, there are still 17 more building days till new years....

The biggest mistake I made was moving my in-progress kits from the workbench
top to a drawer - in-progress list went from 2 to 6 immediately and now peaks
at 8 or 9 sometimes!

-Al

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:55:40 +0000
From: Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Sniffer Strikes!
Message-ID: <199812151456.JAA22409@egate2.citicorp.com>

There's never a better way of doing this, given the time zone
differences so here goes:

Found at The Aviation Bookshop England 0171 272 3630

On Silver Wings, Thetford. GBP19.95
Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany in World War I-Prussia (vol 2), Neal
O'Connor approx. GBP20, sotty forgot to write it down, but this is the
most that it would have been.

They take credit cards, no minimum size for overseas order. Contact me
off-list if necessary.

Good Hunting.

Sniff.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:58:09 +0000
From: Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Avro 504N
Message-ID: <199812151458.JAA22789@egate2.citicorp.com>

If interested, I can do a scan of an article in Airfix magazine July
1967, detailing a conversion of a 1/72nd Airfix 504K to the 504N.

Contact me off-list me if interested.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:15:20 +0000
From: Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Airfix WW1 Tank
Message-ID: <199812151516.KAA25078@egate2.citicorp.com>

I have a scan of Chris Ellis' article in Airfix Magazine, April 1968
covering the conversion of the above into a Mk III/IV/Tadpole.

Let me know off-list if interested.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:35:09 EST
From: GRBroman@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
Message-ID: <5a1c2ec.3676b9ed@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/15/98, 8:42:52 AM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes:
<<
I'm thinking of making the next one in parts I can cast so I can do multiples
of it (for wargaming). I wonder if anyone would be interested in building 
1/64 scale WWI armoured cars if I did that? I'm talking shipping cost here.
I'd cast most of the big parts in allumilite and the small stuff in 
lead, which I have a lot of experience with. I've already molded up the
1/64 scale vickers and lewis guns. They came out well.....
>>
Hmmm, sounds like fun.  Sort of a compromise between 1/48 and 1/72.  Glen

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:43:38 +0000
From: Geoff Smith <geoff-smith@cwcom.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Eduard Sopwith Baby
Message-ID: <3676BBE9.7A83@cwcom.net>

Without being able to get at it at the moment, I seem to remember the
1/48 one having Schneider horizontal tail surfaces. Can't remember
anything else 'cos it's been a while.


> > >1) How many models have you built this year?
> > >2) How many finished WWI models do you have?
> > >3) How many unbuilt WWI kits to you have?
> > 4) I'll add one:  how many are started, close to completion?

1) None, see 4)
2) One, Airfix RE.8 built SOB. What got me interested in a fight with
rigging.
3) Unstarted, about 10.
4) Jacobs Dr.I, still waiting for the engine. BM Ni.11 superseded by AJP
Ni.11 at the instigation of a sadistic South American list member who
shall remain nameless in case the league against cruelty to Spiders are
reading. Two DML Fok.E.V/D.VIIIs.

I blame you lot for 1 and 4 on the grounds that reading about your
building leaves no time for my building. But don't stop.

And lastly, if Dennis would be kind enough to copy his rigging method to
me, it might help with 2). geoff-smith@cwcom.net.

Regards and Best Wishes for the upcoming season and thanks for another
absorbing year. May all your wishes be granted.

Geoff



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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:02:52 EST
From: SmudgeRIO@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Rigging article
Message-ID: <2129a25.3676c06c@aol.com>

Dennis,

row me aboard too please

smudgerio@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:03:13 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
Message-ID: <A1654E835D0CD111B0730060B06865CD93F140@mimhexch.mim.com.au>


Sandy,

> > Very definitely yes. A recently *finished* long term 
> project still lacks
> > the addition of 24 valve springs omitted in the rush to complete the
> > model for two contests last month. No-one else noticed...
> 
> Did I miss a mail on this, Shane? How did it do?

..blush....

Shane

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:12:04 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: QUESTION: How fixed are your schedules   WAS: Eduard Sopwith Baby
Message-ID: <A1654E835D0CD111B0730060B06865CD93F141@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

Dennis,


> >> I do wish you folks would stop mentioning a
> >> different kit every day, since my build list is now rotating so
fast
> >> reading the "next up" position is in danger of making me giddy. <<
> 
>         I understand where you are at.  I told you I wasn't 
> going to build
> any more for this year but I may not have told you the truth. 
>  I placed and
> order for the AMC/Eduard Voisin yesterday.  I have wanted that kit for
> decades.  When it arrives, everything will stop.  If it is of the same
> quality as their other kits, I will have it completed in about a week.
> 

Now *you* are doing it. I should explain that about 5 years ago I
decided to entirely drop 1/72 for WW1 subjects after years of building
WW1 *only* in 1/72. Since then Pegasus, and more recently Toko and now
Eduard/Flasback have me buying models I'd expected to be able to ignore.
Dammit, the Voisin has such *character*, and even OoB the new kit will
be an absolute eyecatcher. I may need another.... to build in my dotage.
(No smartarse comments everyone ;-)

I'll pose a question to the list:

Many of us use the "nu" (next up) addendum on our posts. It seems to me
that mine changes by the day, sometimes frequently *same* day. I also
see other list members setting out to build models never mentioned in
*their* "next up"s. So do any of you actually stick to the plan of the
moment, or should we change it to "tf" (todays fantasy)? ;-)


Shane
nu... Maybe the Voisin.  Mmmmm

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:24:40 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: How many... was Re: Welcome from Fla
Message-ID: <A1654E835D0CD111B0730060B06865CD93F143@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

Al says:

> The biggest mistake I made was moving my in-progress kits 
> from the workbench top to a drawer - in-progress list went from 2 to 6

> immediately and now peaks at 8 or 9 sometimes!
> 

Mine lived in kit boxes. And I *never* finished any but started one
every month. About 10 years ago when I escaped the Army, I ruthlessly
despatched *every* part built but one to land fill - some 40 kits, all
off topic, and vowed not to start another until i finished the one
remaining PB. It worked in two ways. I *did* finish the PB - an off
topic model - and I realised I wasn't finishing models because I was
buying the latest kits like all the rest of the modelling world, rather
than subjects *I* wanted to build. I went back mostly to WW1, where I
still finish perilously few, but * *do* finish.

Shane

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:35:09 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: How many: The unscientific analysis
Message-ID: <A1654E835D0CD111B0730060B06865CD93F146@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

GDay all,


I thought I'd better collate the results of the last week of confessions
and let the list members know just where they stand .

Because there were many "about.." or "or more" entries, and a couple of
members wouldn't admit to the size of their cache, perhaps out of fear
;-), I have made a few assumptions and interpolations - this is where it
gets unscientific !

Average Completions this year = 3.9

Average Completed WW1 = 14.0

Average Unbuilt WW1 = 86.4

There are some simple conclusions to be drawn. If none of us ever buy
another model (yeah, right!) we need to live an average of 22.4 more
years to finish our hoards. Of course the figures are skewed by some
parties. Dennis scared the life out of me when he admitted 81 completed
models and 10 per year, but with 500 in his pile he's going to be busy
for over 50 years (especially if he buys that Voisin !)

Dennis wins the "List Larder of the Year" award for most kits in stock,
but Matt wins the "Optimist of the Year" award given that at his current
rate the kits in his stock will last him another 160 years. Of course
Gerry McOsker might dispute this because he won't admit how many kits he
has, and at a rate of, um, nothing, *whatever* will take some time to
complete.

There *were* a couple of others who admitted to zero completions, but
one stood out for guts !  Cameron Rile has no WW1 models built or
unbuilt, so I suppose he's "List Critic" - he doesn't *do* it, just
talks about it ! (And why not - we are after all a very inteesting bunch
!)

On a personal note, I'm happy to see that more than 1/4 of the list
members finished less than I, and fully half finished no more - Hah !
And my embarrasment regarding the size of my stash is somewhat reduced
by the admissions of Dennis, Matt and Sandy.

In conclusion I must them wish you all good health - or we'll *never*
get finished

Shane

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:33:05 -0500
From: "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: QUESTION: How fixed are your schedules  
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981215173305.00977650@pop.mindspring.com>


>I'll pose a question to the list:
>
>Many of us use the "nu" (next up) addendum on our posts. It seems to me
>that mine changes by the day, sometimes frequently *same* day. I also
>see other list members setting out to build models never mentioned in
>*their* "next up"s. So do any of you actually stick to the plan of the
>moment, or should we change it to "tf" (todays fantasy)? ;-)
>
>
>Shane
>nu... Maybe the Voisin.  Mmmmm
>

Like Shane mentioned in another post, I also had too many partially built
projects. When I made a concerted effort to finish them, I found that I
forgot neat details I had intended to build in. I had a lot of sloppy
models to show for my trouble.

I self imposed a rule of "one at a time" on the bench. The results have
been worth the exercise of self discipline. Now my projects end up as
models I enjoy having on the shelf. I permit myself to remove parts from
sprue and dress them with file & sandpaper on kits which are not the
current project, but I refrain from actually starting construction. 

The tendency to stick to the next up is directly proportional to the length
of time the current project occupies the bench. I must admit though, with
all the nice new kits on the market, the urge to drop everything and dive
into a Flashback Voisin or an Eduard Albatros D.III is tempting. However, I
seem to run out of steam when I do that and the project suffers. I suppose
the one at a time on the bench rule is what works best for me.

sp
nb: Curtiss N-9H in 1:48
nu: Morane Saulnier 1:72  (Barry, I'll be ordering a set of that landing
gear after the Holidays)

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