WWI Digest 1320 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) BM Halberstadt by "Sandy Adam" 2) Re: Thanksging Day by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 3) Re: New Members by Kevin Wenker 4) Re: Nieuport 17 by Kevin Wenker 5) Re: Nieuport 17 by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 6) Re: Thanksging Day by SmudgeRIO@aol.com 7) Re: I'm Back. Acrylic Washes Over Acrylic Base. by "Mark Shanks" 8) Re: ODP: New Member by "David R.L. Laws" 9) Kits in Aeroclub catalogue by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 10) Re: Nieuport 17 by Mike Fletcher 11) Re: New to the group by "P. Howard" 12) Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive by bucky@ptdprolog.net 13) Re: Kits in Aeroclub catalogue by bucky@ptdprolog.net 14) Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive by Kevin Wenker 15) Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive by bucky@ptdprolog.net 16) RE: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive by Shane Weier 17) Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive by Kevin Wenker 18) Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive by bucky@ptdprolog.net 19) Re: Kits in Aeroclub catalogue by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: Thanksging Day by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 21) fear and loathing wasRe: New to the group by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:08:15 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: BM Halberstadt Message-ID: <199811301107.LAA28143@beryl.sol.co.uk> very nice pics on Hannants at: http://www.hannants.co.uk/cgi-bin/view.pl?v=BM202&p=2&d=a&c= Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:02:11 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thanksging Day Message-ID: What--another MSTie on the list? Give that man a hamdinger! Haven't seen the Thanksgiving special advertised the last year or two (since they changed networks). Paul A. Schwartzkopf >>> "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 11/26 8:52 AM >>> At 02:02 AM 26/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >To all, > >Best wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving where ever you are. Friends like >you are rare and treasured. You are all very high on my list of things >to be thankful for. (sound better than "for which to be thankful") >Have a great day. Hey, do any of you Americans watch Mystery Science Theatre 3000? If so, do they still put on their Thanksgiving "Turkey Day" special? Man, do I miss that. Don't eat too much now. Dane >Cheers, > >Bill B. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:17:10 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Members Message-ID: <3662A8E6.A14@interaccess.com> Diego - I presume there is a difference between 32 C and 32 F. You have the former, we the latter. :-) Kevin W Diego Fernetti wrote: > > I'llsend you all the sun you can carry, Bob. Here in Argentina we had 32ēC > yesterday and I stretched sprue just whit my bare fingers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:25:50 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <3662AAEE.635E@interaccess.com> Paul, You had asked about the opening in the Eduard N 17 in the top wing. As I was going to start mine, I spent most of the holiday weekend going thru every reference I have and looking at every photo. Then I read Replic from July this year (French is rusty, but passable). Turns out they have the same thought - this opening as Eduard presents it did not exist. What you can see on many photos is an area with consistent structure to the rest of the wing with a top surface clear doped linen section to provide some light and see thru ability (almost like a thin vellum). True, there are a couple examples with the area open. But, no where could I find an example with the interior structure as Eduard has it on the kit. I plan to use some plastic strup to make the structure and then cover with thin doped tissue. The solid wing in the ProfiPack is, IMHO, much more accurate and standard. Kevin W ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:45:39 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: Kevin, I have seen the area open in at least 1 photo, and I remember from reading Rimmell's review of the Hobbycraft Nieuport that a few aircraft had this opening--it was not the "norm". He had cut out the wing on his model to represent it. Let me know how your "plug" turns out. I have put this one on hold for now. Paul A. Schwartzkopf >>> Kevin Wenker 11/30 8:23 AM >>> Paul, You had asked about the opening in the Eduard N 17 in the top wing. As I was going to start mine, I spent most of the holiday weekend going thru every reference I have and looking at every photo. Then I read Replic from July this year (French is rusty, but passable). Turns out they have the same thought - this opening as Eduard presents it did not exist. What you can see on many photos is an area with consistent structure to the rest of the wing with a top surface clear doped linen section to provide some light and see thru ability (almost like a thin vellum). True, there are a couple examples with the area open. But, no where could I find an example with the interior structure as Eduard has it on the kit. I plan to use some plastic strup to make the structure and then cover with thin doped tissue. The solid wing in the ProfiPack is, IMHO, much more accurate and standard. Kevin W ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:41:23 EST From: SmudgeRIO@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thanksging Day Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/98 9:03:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com writes: << What--another MSTie on the list? Give that man a hamdinger! Haven't seen the Thanksgiving special advertised the last year or two (since they changed networks). >> Count me among that group as well. Smudge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:08:38 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: I'm Back. Acrylic Washes Over Acrylic Base. Message-ID: <9811301609.AA24687@fltdyn.com> Fernando Lamas writes: > I started my next project today: an Eduard Albatros D.Va. I began > putting an enamel base coat for the woodgraining of the inner fuselage this > morning. The smell, the mess and slow drying time reminded me why I use > acrylics. Although I have used enamel base coats with acrylic drybrushing > and washes before for woodgraining small parts such as propellors with good > results, this is the first time I am attempting a large area of woodgrain > such as a fuselage. > > I remember reading a post on Usenet that claimed that after an acrylic > base coat has dried for about four days that it will be so set that it is > able to stand up to acrylic washes without re-dissolving. > > Any opinions if this is true? If so, I plan to use an acrylic base for > the woodgraining of the outer fuselage. Well, I seem to get older all the time. I haven't had the problem of enamals drying slower than acrylics - usually it's just the opposite. And smell - call me crazy, but I *like* the smell of Floquil - reminds me of my lost youth ;-) hours spent on modelling. But to answer your question - sure, once they are cured (give the coat at least 72 hours), you should be able to wash with acrylic or turpentine. (No Dio-Sol, now!) Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 07:55:53 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ODP: New Member Message-ID: <3663A109.2242@webtime.com.au> Tom Sorry ... was I supposed to be looking at some Falcon ( New Zealand ) vac canopies for you, or was it some one else ? david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:47:31 +0100 (CET) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Kits in Aeroclub catalogue Message-ID: <199811302147.WAA05961@login-2.eunet.no> Hei, Just got the latest catalogue from Aeroclub, these kits are listed as "to be available": 1/72: 1/48 Aeroclub Short 184 DH-5 FE-8 DH-9 FE-8 BE2c/e/12a/b Pegasus Blue Max A.W. FK8 Halberstadt Cl.II DH-2 Sopwith Dolphin Albatross C.III Sopwith Snipe DH-9 Albatross D.III OEF Etrich Taube BE2e TC Models 1/48: RN Coastal MTBs 40´and 55´, Parsons Turbinia, Vickers Vildebeeste Aeroclub do also stock AJP Maquettes Seems like there will be little left for our scrachbuilders in the next millenium especially with Toko and Eduard/Flashback turning out more gems than we can build. Eders Knut Erik _ _ { | { | ||O| ||+| {|\ || | {|\ || | ---====(o)|O\.........................---====(o)|O/ {|/ || | {|/ || | ||O| ||+| {_| {_| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:00:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: On the early N.17's, the centre section was covered with cellon (no relation to any current material). This stuff was applied in a similar manner to the fabric and yellowed quickly in service. It was not generally liked and often was replaced with fabric. Aside from yellowing it was susceptible to moisture wrinkling, ruptured if nicked, and produced glare. None of the pictures I could find of Esc. Laff. ac had the clear section. The structure of the wing itself would have been visible through the cellon, which is unusual in having many small braces and half ribs. Not having a copy of the kit I cannot comment on its accuracy but it should match the German drawings that were in the N.17 datafile. There should probably be a leading edge of fabric (2-3"), and trailing edge (2") that is also fabric. Many drawings show this area incorrectly (inc. the Revell kit iirc) so it would depend on what they compared it to. Mike Fletcher On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Kevin Wenker wrote: > Paul, > You had asked about the opening in the Eduard N 17 in the top wing. As > I was going to start mine, I spent most of the holiday weekend going > thru every reference I have and looking at every photo. Then I read > Replic from July this year (French is rusty, but passable). Turns out > they have the same thought - this opening as Eduard presents it did not > exist. What you can see on many photos is an area with consistent > structure to the rest of the wing with a top surface clear doped linen > section to provide some light and see thru ability (almost like a thin > vellum). True, there are a couple examples with the area open. But, no > where could I find an example with the interior structure as Eduard has > it on the kit. I plan to use some plastic strup to make the structure > and then cover with thin doped tissue. The solid wing in the ProfiPack > is, IMHO, much more accurate and standard. > Kevin W > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:48:07 -0600 From: "P. Howard" To: Subject: Re: New to the group Message-ID: <003c01be1cbb$e2d49fc0$43868ece@phoward> Robert... I'm Very Very scared to ask how you came by these descriptions...... ...and, I wasn't aware that fanciers of possums were all that strange. I mean, it's not like we wear the suits all of the time! Going back into stealth mode! Paul H. -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 1:20 PM Subject: Re: New to the group >In a message dated 11/28/98 1:41:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, >sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: > ><< Smudge, >> > >Forgive the tardiness from this corner! Recovering a bit from the holiday >weekend, I say "welcome" from Southern California. Just be careful of spotty- >assed Scotsmen, hairy-legged Canadians( I'm already ducking under cover)), >various Heretics ( and hisatics), Possum fanciers,and an assortment of >DownUnder coots and loonies, to mention only a few sub species of a vast >collection of obsessive-compulsives from several different continents! >Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:52:39 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive Message-ID: <36632FC7.B6A1C9C1@ptdprolog.net> Kevin I used artist's pens on the underneath decals. They were sorta waterproof. After spraying the decals with clear gloss, it took a lot of soaking to get them loose...and they had just started to run. I suspect it'd be better to hold off on spraying the gloss until after it is on the model. I am assuming that the decal won't fall apart/crumble without the spray. The top decal goes over the bottom one nicely. Finished product is pretty neat. Good luck! Mike Muth Kevin Wenker wrote: > Thanks, Mark. Yes, am using the PD decals. I used the new panels but not the > nose - put the panels on the existing fuselage. Also, opened tne right side of > the cowling per the pictures in the datafile. Added some interanl structure to > the engine area. Added some cocpit details (pump and new perforated seat). Jest > about ready to close up the fuse and put the lower wing on. Phew!! > Kevin > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > Kevin > > Just finished my 7 Swabians(no changes to front panel, however). Let me > > know how yours is coming. Are you using the PD decals? I don't kno0w if I can > > ben of any help, but give me a holler. > > Mike Muth > > > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > > > Mark, > > > Atlee made a new nose and side panels out of resin. I do not know if any > > > are still around. I got a set and wish I had got 2 or 3. I am doing - > > > what else - the 7 Swabians. Eduard also made a set of new panels in > > > photoetch. Not as good as the Atlee, but definitely doable. > > > Kevin W > > > > > > The Shannons wrote: > > > > > > > I remember that there was a discussion on the plywood axle-wing on late > > > > model Fokkers. I was wondering if someone could re-enlighten me on the > > > > finish these got on lozenged machines -- were they covered with lozenge > > > > fabric doped onto the wood, painted to match lozenge, streaked, solid > > > > Fokker Green (whatever that is)? > > > > > > > > Also, seeing the latest 'Over the Front' is causing an itch in the old > > > > wallet reaching hand. I seem to remember that there was a company > > > > offering replacement panels for the DML D-VII to give the multi-vent > > > > style OEF looks (and for the earlier various styles) Does someone have > > > > the info that can save me some search time? > > > > > > > > Stark's D.VII just looks too interesting a finish to pass up a chance. > > > > Too bad the FSM article once again promulgated the mistaken > > > > identification of the Blue/White -- Black Trident markings (Raesch, > > > > actually, if memory serves.) > > > > > > > > .Mark. > > > > -- > > > > This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon > > > > at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > > > > > > > > History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:01:23 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits in Aeroclub catalogue Message-ID: <366331D3.244A9E91@ptdprolog.net> Knut I liked the two planes at the end of your message! Mike Muth Knut Erik Hagen wrote: > Hei, > > Just got the latest catalogue from Aeroclub, > these kits are listed as "to be available": > > 1/72: 1/48 > Aeroclub > Short 184 DH-5 > FE-8 DH-9 > FE-8 > BE2c/e/12a/b > > Pegasus Blue Max > A.W. FK8 Halberstadt Cl.II > DH-2 Sopwith Dolphin > Albatross C.III Sopwith Snipe > DH-9 Albatross D.III OEF > Etrich Taube > BE2e > > TC Models 1/48: RN Coastal MTBs 40´and 55´, Parsons Turbinia, Vickers > Vildebeeste > > Aeroclub do also stock AJP Maquettes > > Seems like there will be little left for our scrachbuilders in the next > millenium > especially with Toko and Eduard/Flashback turning out more gems than we can > build. > > Eders > Knut Erik > > _ _ > { | { | > ||O| ||+| > {|\ || | {|\ || | > ---====(o)|O\.........................---====(o)|O/ > {|/ || | {|/ || | > ||O| ||+| > {_| {_| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:32:10 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive Message-ID: <36633909.9920FBCA@interaccess.com> Thanks Mike. I was planning on putting the underlayer of the decal on the fuselage before doing the paint between the lines. Is that a mistaken way to do it? Kevin W bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > Kevin > I used artist's pens on the underneath decals. They were sorta waterproof. After > spraying the decals with clear gloss, it took a lot of soaking to get them > loose...and they had just started to run. I suspect it'd be better to hold off on > spraying the gloss until after it is on the model. I am assuming that the decal won't > fall apart/crumble without the spray. The top decal goes over the bottom one nicely. > Finished product is pretty neat. Good luck! > Mike Muth > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > Thanks, Mark. Yes, am using the PD decals. I used the new panels but not the > > nose - put the panels on the existing fuselage. Also, opened tne right side of > > the cowling per the pictures in the datafile. Added some interanl structure to > > the engine area. Added some cocpit details (pump and new perforated seat). Jest > > about ready to close up the fuse and put the lower wing on. Phew!! > > Kevin > > > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > > > Kevin > > > Just finished my 7 Swabians(no changes to front panel, however). Let me > > > know how yours is coming. Are you using the PD decals? I don't kno0w if I can > > > ben of any help, but give me a holler. > > > Mike Muth > > > > > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > Atlee made a new nose and side panels out of resin. I do not know if any > > > > are still around. I got a set and wish I had got 2 or 3. I am doing - > > > > what else - the 7 Swabians. Eduard also made a set of new panels in > > > > photoetch. Not as good as the Atlee, but definitely doable. > > > > Kevin W > > > > > > > > The Shannons wrote: > > > > > > > > > I remember that there was a discussion on the plywood axle-wing on late > > > > > model Fokkers. I was wondering if someone could re-enlighten me on the > > > > > finish these got on lozenged machines -- were they covered with lozenge > > > > > fabric doped onto the wood, painted to match lozenge, streaked, solid > > > > > Fokker Green (whatever that is)? > > > > > > > > > > Also, seeing the latest 'Over the Front' is causing an itch in the old > > > > > wallet reaching hand. I seem to remember that there was a company > > > > > offering replacement panels for the DML D-VII to give the multi-vent > > > > > style OEF looks (and for the earlier various styles) Does someone have > > > > > the info that can save me some search time? > > > > > > > > > > Stark's D.VII just looks too interesting a finish to pass up a chance. > > > > > Too bad the FSM article once again promulgated the mistaken > > > > > identification of the Blue/White -- Black Trident markings (Raesch, > > > > > actually, if memory serves.) > > > > > > > > > > .Mark. > > > > > -- > > > > > This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon > > > > > at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > > > > > > > > > > History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:01:13 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive Message-ID: <36633FD9.68D60C4@ptdprolog.net> Kevin I had thought about doing this, but decided to paint/color first. I seemed to have better control that way. I was doing it in 1/72 and would definitely say painting it first was a good idea. Mike Kevin Wenker wrote: > Thanks Mike. I was planning on putting the underlayer of the decal on the fuselage > before doing the paint between the lines. Is that a mistaken way to do it? > Kevin W > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > Kevin > > I used artist's pens on the underneath decals. They were sorta waterproof. After > > spraying the decals with clear gloss, it took a lot of soaking to get them > > loose...and they had just started to run. I suspect it'd be better to hold off on > > spraying the gloss until after it is on the model. I am assuming that the decal won't > > fall apart/crumble without the spray. The top decal goes over the bottom one nicely. > > Finished product is pretty neat. Good luck! > > Mike Muth > > > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > > > Thanks, Mark. Yes, am using the PD decals. I used the new panels but not the > > > nose - put the panels on the existing fuselage. Also, opened tne right side of > > > the cowling per the pictures in the datafile. Added some interanl structure to > > > the engine area. Added some cocpit details (pump and new perforated seat). Jest > > > about ready to close up the fuse and put the lower wing on. Phew!! > > > Kevin > > > > > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > Just finished my 7 Swabians(no changes to front panel, however). Let me > > > > know how yours is coming. Are you using the PD decals? I don't kno0w if I can > > > > ben of any help, but give me a holler. > > > > Mike Muth > > > > > > > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > Atlee made a new nose and side panels out of resin. I do not know if any > > > > > are still around. I got a set and wish I had got 2 or 3. I am doing - > > > > > what else - the 7 Swabians. Eduard also made a set of new panels in > > > > > photoetch. Not as good as the Atlee, but definitely doable. > > > > > Kevin W > > > > > > > > > > The Shannons wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I remember that there was a discussion on the plywood axle-wing on late > > > > > > model Fokkers. I was wondering if someone could re-enlighten me on the > > > > > > finish these got on lozenged machines -- were they covered with lozenge > > > > > > fabric doped onto the wood, painted to match lozenge, streaked, solid > > > > > > Fokker Green (whatever that is)? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, seeing the latest 'Over the Front' is causing an itch in the old > > > > > > wallet reaching hand. I seem to remember that there was a company > > > > > > offering replacement panels for the DML D-VII to give the multi-vent > > > > > > style OEF looks (and for the earlier various styles) Does someone have > > > > > > the info that can save me some search time? > > > > > > > > > > > > Stark's D.VII just looks too interesting a finish to pass up a chance. > > > > > > Too bad the FSM article once again promulgated the mistaken > > > > > > identification of the Blue/White -- Black Trident markings (Raesch, > > > > > > actually, if memory serves.) > > > > > > > > > > > > .Mark. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon > > > > > > at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > > > > > > > > > > > > History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:01:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive Message-ID: Kevin, > Thanks Mike. I was planning on putting the underlayer of the > decal on the fuselage before doing the paint between the lines. Is that a mistaken > way to do it? > Kevin W > I doubt it makes much difference. You should probably do it the way you feel most comfortable. I built this kit a few years ago now (a photo is on Al's web page) and FWIW used a combination of acrylic and enamel paints to paint the under layer on the decal sheet before actually putting it on the model. I *think* I glossed it after that, and finally added the detail layer. One word of warning - it's probably easier to hide the excess film if you cut away as much as practicable on the top layer - though to be fair to PD, I never had any problem where I left it anyway ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:14:21 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive Message-ID: <366350FD.6138398B@interaccess.com> Mike, I can't even see 1/72......I figure I have abetter than even chance with 1/48. Seriously, I do a lot of figure painting and feel better trying it once on the aircraft. Kevin bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > Kevin > I had thought about doing this, but decided to paint/color first. I seemed to have > better control that way. I was doing it in 1/72 and would definitely say painting it first > was a good idea. > Mike > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > Thanks Mike. I was planning on putting the underlayer of the decal on the fuselage > > before doing the paint between the lines. Is that a mistaken way to do it? > > Kevin W > > > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > > > Kevin > > > I used artist's pens on the underneath decals. They were sorta waterproof. After > > > spraying the decals with clear gloss, it took a lot of soaking to get them > > > loose...and they had just started to run. I suspect it'd be better to hold off on > > > spraying the gloss until after it is on the model. I am assuming that the decal won't > > > fall apart/crumble without the spray. The top decal goes over the bottom one nicely. > > > Finished product is pretty neat. Good luck! > > > Mike Muth > > > > > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks, Mark. Yes, am using the PD decals. I used the new panels but not the > > > > nose - put the panels on the existing fuselage. Also, opened tne right side of > > > > the cowling per the pictures in the datafile. Added some interanl structure to > > > > the engine area. Added some cocpit details (pump and new perforated seat). Jest > > > > about ready to close up the fuse and put the lower wing on. Phew!! > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > Just finished my 7 Swabians(no changes to front panel, however). Let me > > > > > know how yours is coming. Are you using the PD decals? I don't kno0w if I can > > > > > ben of any help, but give me a holler. > > > > > Mike Muth > > > > > > > > > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > Atlee made a new nose and side panels out of resin. I do not know if any > > > > > > are still around. I got a set and wish I had got 2 or 3. I am doing - > > > > > > what else - the 7 Swabians. Eduard also made a set of new panels in > > > > > > photoetch. Not as good as the Atlee, but definitely doable. > > > > > > Kevin W > > > > > > > > > > > > The Shannons wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember that there was a discussion on the plywood axle-wing on late > > > > > > > model Fokkers. I was wondering if someone could re-enlighten me on the > > > > > > > finish these got on lozenged machines -- were they covered with lozenge > > > > > > > fabric doped onto the wood, painted to match lozenge, streaked, solid > > > > > > > Fokker Green (whatever that is)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, seeing the latest 'Over the Front' is causing an itch in the old > > > > > > > wallet reaching hand. I seem to remember that there was a company > > > > > > > offering replacement panels for the DML D-VII to give the multi-vent > > > > > > > style OEF looks (and for the earlier various styles) Does someone have > > > > > > > the info that can save me some search time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stark's D.VII just looks too interesting a finish to pass up a chance. > > > > > > > Too bad the FSM article once again promulgated the mistaken > > > > > > > identification of the Blue/White -- Black Trident markings (Raesch, > > > > > > > actually, if memory serves.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .Mark. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon > > > > > > > at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:33:21 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive Message-ID: <36635571.76E6B57D@ptdprolog.net> Yup, this was a big stretch, ...er shrink for me. I purchased the decals a few years back and was prompted to try doing it my my exchange student as a gift for her mom, who is from that area. Way too tiny to take up as a serious hobby ;-) Mike Oh yeah, I agree with Shane about trimming as close as possible. Kevin Wenker wrote: > Mike, > I can't even see 1/72......I figure I have abetter than even chance with 1/48. Seriously, I > do a lot of figure painting and feel better trying it once on the aircraft. > Kevin > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > Kevin > > I had thought about doing this, but decided to paint/color first. I seemed to have > > better control that way. I was doing it in 1/72 and would definitely say painting it first > > was a good idea. > > Mike > > > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > > > Thanks Mike. I was planning on putting the underlayer of the decal on the fuselage > > > before doing the paint between the lines. Is that a mistaken way to do it? > > > Kevin W > > > > > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > I used artist's pens on the underneath decals. They were sorta waterproof. After > > > > spraying the decals with clear gloss, it took a lot of soaking to get them > > > > loose...and they had just started to run. I suspect it'd be better to hold off on > > > > spraying the gloss until after it is on the model. I am assuming that the decal won't > > > > fall apart/crumble without the spray. The top decal goes over the bottom one nicely. > > > > Finished product is pretty neat. Good luck! > > > > Mike Muth > > > > > > > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Mark. Yes, am using the PD decals. I used the new panels but not the > > > > > nose - put the panels on the existing fuselage. Also, opened tne right side of > > > > > the cowling per the pictures in the datafile. Added some interanl structure to > > > > > the engine area. Added some cocpit details (pump and new perforated seat). Jest > > > > > about ready to close up the fuse and put the lower wing on. Phew!! > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > Just finished my 7 Swabians(no changes to front panel, however). Let me > > > > > > know how yours is coming. Are you using the PD decals? I don't kno0w if I can > > > > > > ben of any help, but give me a holler. > > > > > > Mike Muth > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > > Atlee made a new nose and side panels out of resin. I do not know if any > > > > > > > are still around. I got a set and wish I had got 2 or 3. I am doing - > > > > > > > what else - the 7 Swabians. Eduard also made a set of new panels in > > > > > > > photoetch. Not as good as the Atlee, but definitely doable. > > > > > > > Kevin W > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Shannons wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember that there was a discussion on the plywood axle-wing on late > > > > > > > > model Fokkers. I was wondering if someone could re-enlighten me on the > > > > > > > > finish these got on lozenged machines -- were they covered with lozenge > > > > > > > > fabric doped onto the wood, painted to match lozenge, streaked, solid > > > > > > > > Fokker Green (whatever that is)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, seeing the latest 'Over the Front' is causing an itch in the old > > > > > > > > wallet reaching hand. I seem to remember that there was a company > > > > > > > > offering replacement panels for the DML D-VII to give the multi-vent > > > > > > > > style OEF looks (and for the earlier various styles) Does someone have > > > > > > > > the info that can save me some search time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stark's D.VII just looks too interesting a finish to pass up a chance. > > > > > > > > Too bad the FSM article once again promulgated the mistaken > > > > > > > > identification of the Blue/White -- Black Trident markings (Raesch, > > > > > > > > actually, if memory serves.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .Mark. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon > > > > > > > > at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:31:35 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kits in Aeroclub catalogue Message-ID: <36635507.330B@bellsouth.net> Knut Erik Hagen wrote: > Just got the latest catalogue from Aeroclub, > these kits are listed as "to be available": > > DH-5 > Any clue as to when this will be out, and how many U.S. bucks it'll cost? _ _ > { | { | > ||O| ||+| > {|\ || | {|\ || | > ---====(o)|O\.........................---====(o)|O/ > {|/ || | {|/ || | > ||O| ||+| > {_| {_| cute! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:37:31 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thanksging Day Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981130213731.006fdf40@mail> At 09:01 AM 30/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >What--another MSTie on the list? Give that man a hamdinger! Haven't seen the Thanksgiving special advertised the last year or two (since they changed networks). Well, I haven't seen a new episode since 1993, just after Mike came on, but I am still a passionately devoted fan, and I try to keep current by reading the Web pages devoted to it. There was a rumour that the Canadian cable channel devoted to science fiction would carry it, but nothing yet has come of that. Any chance you could do a fellow MSTie a favour? I have many tapes, most with 3 episodes on each tape (and almost all from the Joel era), but I don't have the family favourite, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martian." If you could get this for me, I would of course pay for the tape and postage and handling, and would be very, very grateful. Dane >Paul A. Schwartzkopf > >>>> "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 11/26 8:52 AM >>> >At 02:02 AM 26/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >>To all, >> >>Best wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving where ever you are. Friends like >>you are rare and treasured. You are all very high on my list of things >>to be thankful for. (sound better than "for which to be thankful") >>Have a great day. > >Hey, do any of you Americans watch Mystery Science Theatre 3000? If so, do >they still put on their Thanksgiving "Turkey Day" special? Man, do I miss >that. > >Don't eat too much now. > >Dane > >>Cheers, >> >>Bill B. >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:37:47 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: fear and loathing wasRe: New to the group Message-ID: <77b013d8.3663729b@aol.com> In a message dated 11/30/98 3:49:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, phoward@abilene.com writes: << Robert... I'm Very Very scared to ask how you came by these descriptions...... ..and, I wasn't aware that fanciers of possums were all that strange. I mean, it's not like we wear the suits all of the time! Going back into stealth mode! Paul H. >> I only allow myself to wear the suit when I complete a model. As for some of the other descriptions I think you're refering to, I was inspired by "Bristol Boy" Shane! Back to the Fokker Spider Robert K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1320 **********************