WWI Digest 1319 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: New to the group by SmudgeRIO@aol.com 2) RE: French translation by Pedro e Francisca Soares 3) Pfalz Phinishes by "David Vosburgh" 4) Re: SHARING REFERENCE MATERIAL by "David R.L. Laws" 5) Re: Pfalz Phinishes by Bob Pearson 6) Re: French translation by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Pfalz Phinishes by KarrArt@aol.com 8) RE: Birthday wishes by Mick Fauchon 9) Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive by bucky@ptdprolog.net 10) Re: French translation by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 11) Jasta 23b DXII by John & Allison Cyganowski 12) SPAD undercarriage by bucky@ptdprolog.net 13) Re: French translation by David & Carol Fletcher 14) Re: Metamorphisis by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: New to the group by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive by Kevin Wenker 17) Re: New to the group by "David Vosburgh" 18) Re:Luke's SPAD markings by "Jim Wallace" 19) Re: More on Toko Pfalz DXII by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 20) Re: More on Toko Pfalz DXII by Mike Dicianna 21) Re: More on Toko Pfalz DXII by Bob Pearson 22) ODP: Hello from a new member of this list by Tomasz Gronczewski 23) RE: Hello from a new member of this list by "Diego Fernetti" 24) RE: New Members by "Diego Fernetti" 25) Re: Metamorphisis by "Sandy Adam" 26) Re: Hello from a new member of this list by "Sandy Adam" 27) JaPo Oeffag book by "Sandy Adam" 28) ODP: New Member by Tomasz Gronczewski ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:00:58 EST From: SmudgeRIO@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New to the group Message-ID: <2e7a28c.3661d22a@aol.com> Thanks Robert, I'll keep my guard up. see ya, Smudge ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:45:00 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: French translation Message-ID: <01BE1BF2.C013A0E0@fei1-p12.telepac.pt> -----Original Message----- From: David & Carol Fletcher [SMTP:dcf@mars.ark.com] Sent: Sunday, November 29, 1998 9:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: French translation (funny how Americans only speak one language, but hookers all over the world speak theirs) Huh... Dave.... I do speak a little english.... Too bad you can't figure a way to e-mail vino verde, Pedro! Ok, you're forgiven, you're a man of good taste. Cheers (Where did you tasted it, BTW?) Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:07:20 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI M.M.L." Subject: Pfalz Phinishes Message-ID: <000501be1bf5$66a9e3e0$18d690d0@Pvosburg> In RE: D.XII markings, there's a photo in Thetford & Gray's book which I always thought would make a really nice scheme, although it's unclear what unit it's from. The photo is on pg. xxxvii of my Doubleday edition, and shows the rear 3/4s of the a/c sitting, wingless, in front of a depressing mountain of Albatros fuselages apparently ready for the torch. The Pfalz appears to me to be in the purple/green scheme, with a black or maybe red band about 15" wide around the rear of the fuselage which covers the first 8" or so of the vertical & horizontal stabs, the balance of the empennage is white. The neat thing is that there's a wavy ribbon running down the length of the fuselage, which looks like it might be yellow edged with red, or maybe red edged with black --- the edging looks to be the same shade as the dark band. Any thoughts, anybody? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:25:39 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SHARING REFERENCE MATERIAL Message-ID: <366272A3.3F6B@webtime.com.au> Just a thought for anyone chasing some additional reference material to add to their collection - Anyone on List within easy striking distance of this address : Avalon Books/132 W25th Ave./San Mateo, CA 94403. Regards, Will Jacobs--Avalon Books I have bought this book which is on hold for me Palmero, Alan J. (designer) Scale Aircraft Drawings: Volume I- World >> >War I Air Age 1986 Trade paper Fine Book# 11797 US$ 8.95 - before it goes over the water and If your'e willing to collect for me and post the book ( I to send cheque to you to cover the purchase and post ) you are most welcome to photocopy the contents for your own reference collection If anyone's interested in a bit of extra reference material please contact me off-List david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:34:10 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Pfalz Phinishes Message-ID: <00341035802845@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, I have all ready profiled this very aircraft for the Pforthcoming Pflying Machines Press book on the Pfalz. . . . Sorry, but ya gotta wait for the book to see it. In the meantime the I'll say the tail is in the Jasta 23b spanwise b/w/b/w markings; and the wavy band that Rimell did as blue edged in black, we decided to do as yellow edged in black. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "David Vosburgh" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Pfalz Phinishes > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:07:09 -0500 (EST) > > In RE: D.XII markings, there's a photo in Thetford & Gray's book which I > always thought would make a really nice scheme, although it's unclear what > unit it's from. The photo is on pg. xxxvii of my Doubleday edition, and > shows the rear 3/4s of the a/c sitting, wingless, in front of a depressing > mountain of Albatros fuselages apparently ready for the torch. The Pfalz > appears to me to be in the purple/green scheme, with a black or maybe red > band about 15" wide around the rear of the fuselage which covers the first > 8" or so of the vertical & horizontal stabs, the balance of the empennage is > white. The neat thing is that there's a wavy ribbon running down the length > of the fuselage, which looks like it might be yellow edged with red, or > maybe red edged with black --- the edging looks to be the same shade as the > dark band. > > Any thoughts, anybody? > > Dave > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:40:52 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French translation Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/98 12:52:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, dcf@mars.ark.com writes: << that's a reply to the cheap shot about hairy Canadian legs...) >> Beg your Pardon- my lack of precision has left you with the idea that I consider our Northern Friends to be "hairy-legged". The reference was to a particular, and might I say,"artistic" and industrious fellow who hails from the northern regions. Robert K. (hairy-legged denizen of the USA) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:40:50 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pfalz Phinishes Message-ID: <36e4b1aa.3661e992@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/98 4:08:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << In RE: D.XII markings, there's a photo in Thetford & Gray's book which I always thought would make a really nice scheme, although it's unclear what unit it's from. The photo is on pg. xxxvii of my Doubleday edition, and shows the rear 3/4s of the a/c sitting, wingless, in front of a depressing mountain of Albatros fuselages apparently ready for the torch. The Pfalz appears to me to be in the purple/green scheme, with a black or maybe red band about 15" wide around the rear of the fuselage which covers the first 8" or so of the vertical & horizontal stabs, the balance of the empennage is white. The neat thing is that there's a wavy ribbon running down the length of the fuselage, which looks like it might be yellow edged with red, or maybe red edged with black --- the edging looks to be the same shade as the dark band. Any thoughts, anybody? Dave>> A portion of this same photo is in the new OtF page 239. Now, if I could remember the who, what, when, where of an attempt at an interpretation of this pic. An old Windsock? WW I Aero? ....// Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:50:59 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Birthday wishes Message-ID: > > Don't feel bad, Shane [W].....I'm older than both of you..... > > but not together! 80) > Don't listen to him. He IS. ... or his beard is ;-) For those of you who don't know me, I presume he's referring to the suave sprinkling of white 80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:48:43 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive Message-ID: <3661F97B.3A52AC22@ptdprolog.net> Kevin Just finished my 7 Swabians(no changes to front panel, however). Let me know how yours is coming. Are you using the PD decals? I don't kno0w if I can ben of any help, but give me a holler. Mike Muth Kevin Wenker wrote: > Mark, > Atlee made a new nose and side panels out of resin. I do not know if any > are still around. I got a set and wish I had got 2 or 3. I am doing - > what else - the 7 Swabians. Eduard also made a set of new panels in > photoetch. Not as good as the Atlee, but definitely doable. > Kevin W > > The Shannons wrote: > > > I remember that there was a discussion on the plywood axle-wing on late > > model Fokkers. I was wondering if someone could re-enlighten me on the > > finish these got on lozenged machines -- were they covered with lozenge > > fabric doped onto the wood, painted to match lozenge, streaked, solid > > Fokker Green (whatever that is)? > > > > Also, seeing the latest 'Over the Front' is causing an itch in the old > > wallet reaching hand. I seem to remember that there was a company > > offering replacement panels for the DML D-VII to give the multi-vent > > style OEF looks (and for the earlier various styles) Does someone have > > the info that can save me some search time? > > > > Stark's D.VII just looks too interesting a finish to pass up a chance. > > Too bad the FSM article once again promulgated the mistaken > > identification of the Blue/White -- Black Trident markings (Raesch, > > actually, if memory serves.) > > > > .Mark. > > -- > > This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon > > at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > > > > History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:45:29 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French translation Message-ID: <19981129.200413.-923559.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:58:57 -0500 (EST) Pedro e Francisca Soares writes: >"If I have some articles from Replic I would like translated, is >there >anybody on this list willing to do so for me?..." > >snip >Boulton-Paul >Defiant article if you have that - that's my 'fee' (as opposed to >F.E. >being pronounced 'fee') to bring this back to list... > >Do you plan on e-mailing or snail-mailing? > >Dave Fletcher >dcf@mars.ark.com > >Wanna split the work in halves Dave? Matt? While I don't own *any* Replic's yet, my first *will* be the November issue. As I said, I don't own it yet, but I will. When it comes in, I'll let you two know. Sorry Dave that I don't own any other Replic's. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:53:37 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Jasta 23b DXII Message-ID: <3661FAA1.4002@worldnet.att.net> Matt, The Pfalz Profile #199 has a nice scheme for a Jasta 23b machine. Wings: Upper and lower lozenge (5 color?) Fuselage: Nose-purple/mauve ~same position as on KI, Silbergrau(sp?) back to 1/3 mark of cockpit bottom of siblergrau field meets trailing edge of lower wing, Green (kelly?) back to bisect fuselage cross - sharp edge, The balance of fuselage and stabilizers are white. Black stripe on fuselage, width from trailing tip of fuselage cross equidistant up on vertical and horizontal stabilizer. Black stripe on horizontal stabilizer width and position congruent with balance tabs. Hubs:Green (kelly?) Crosses - Latin - small cross on vertical stabilizer a little smaller than KI. Leading edges of fuselage cross (not the tip) edged in white. S/N 2486, shot down 9/15/18 by Lt Cameron No. 1 squadron, Capt. Stanton No. 62 squadron. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:34:31 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: SPAD undercarriage Message-ID: <36620437.9C50155C@ptdprolog.net> Well, I'm back to working on Baracca's SPAD in earnest. In doing so, I was wondering what color(s) to do the spreader bar in. CDL like the rest of the underside? Unpainted wood? Camo of some color on top and CDL underneath? Oh yeah, CDL vs French light yellow is kinda a toss up for me. I'm going with Modern Desert Sand.(damn, I can never remember if desert has 1 or 2 s's) . Any ideas out there???? Mike Muth nb: SPAD 13 nu: Still not sure...leaning toward a Wildcat used in Operation Torch...Maybe the new YAK from Accurate Miniatures. Oh yeah, my apologies for the off topic ventures. Rigging is gettiung to me and I need something that falls together. nl: X-Files in the background.(My daughter's a fan) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:58:21 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French translation Message-ID: <366209CD.56D4@mars.ark.com> Matthew E Bittner wrote: "Sorry Dave that I don't own any other Replic's." Does this mean that this is going to be an ongoing commitment? Standing by... Dave Fletcher dcf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:10:07 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Metamorphisis Message-ID: <61d60f36.36620c8f@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/98 12:49:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << Robert: Don't know if this is the one you were thinking of, but WWI Aero No.128 (May '90) has a picture of the Canberra Alb. D.Va #D.5390 fresh from the factory, then immediately post-capture, and under various stages of restoration. Regards, Dave >> That sounds about right! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:10:05 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New to the group Message-ID: <97656997.36620c8d@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/98 1:03:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << >, Possum fanciers, (snip) > DownUnder coots and loonies, (snip) > obsessive-compulsives from several different continents! > I get THREE mentions ! Robert, you shouldn't have ! Shane (6:30am Monday, at work and Feeling Frisky) >> This here USA boy fits two of those categories.......and...........I'm sorry...I can't resist.............(ok here it goes).........Alltogether class- Does Frisky like it? RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:04:34 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fokker Fodder -- too stupid to find in archive Message-ID: <36621952.9E01919F@interaccess.com> Thanks, Mark. Yes, am using the PD decals. I used the new panels but not the nose - put the panels on the existing fuselage. Also, opened tne right side of the cowling per the pictures in the datafile. Added some interanl structure to the engine area. Added some cocpit details (pump and new perforated seat). Jest about ready to close up the fuse and put the lower wing on. Phew!! Kevin bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > Kevin > Just finished my 7 Swabians(no changes to front panel, however). Let me > know how yours is coming. Are you using the PD decals? I don't kno0w if I can > ben of any help, but give me a holler. > Mike Muth > > Kevin Wenker wrote: > > > Mark, > > Atlee made a new nose and side panels out of resin. I do not know if any > > are still around. I got a set and wish I had got 2 or 3. I am doing - > > what else - the 7 Swabians. Eduard also made a set of new panels in > > photoetch. Not as good as the Atlee, but definitely doable. > > Kevin W > > > > The Shannons wrote: > > > > > I remember that there was a discussion on the plywood axle-wing on late > > > model Fokkers. I was wondering if someone could re-enlighten me on the > > > finish these got on lozenged machines -- were they covered with lozenge > > > fabric doped onto the wood, painted to match lozenge, streaked, solid > > > Fokker Green (whatever that is)? > > > > > > Also, seeing the latest 'Over the Front' is causing an itch in the old > > > wallet reaching hand. I seem to remember that there was a company > > > offering replacement panels for the DML D-VII to give the multi-vent > > > style OEF looks (and for the earlier various styles) Does someone have > > > the info that can save me some search time? > > > > > > Stark's D.VII just looks too interesting a finish to pass up a chance. > > > Too bad the FSM article once again promulgated the mistaken > > > identification of the Blue/White -- Black Trident markings (Raesch, > > > actually, if memory serves.) > > > > > > .Mark. > > > -- > > > This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon > > > at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > > > > > > History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:02:50 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: New to the group Message-ID: <000c01be1c16$4d77aee0$27d690d0@Pvosburg> Shane & Robert: Isn't Frisky related to Punchy? I think I met their other sister Miserable last week. DV -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 10:37 PM Subject: Re: New to the group >In a message dated 11/29/98 1:03:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, >sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: > >Snip> > I get THREE mentions ! Robert, you shouldn't have ! > > Shane > (6:30am Monday, at work and Feeling Frisky) >> > >This here USA boy fits two of those categories.......and...........I'm >sorry...I can't resist.............(ok here it goes).........Alltogether >class- Does Frisky like it? >RK > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:04:27 -0500 From: "Jim Wallace" To: "Wwi" Subject: Re:Luke's SPAD markings Message-ID: <000701be1c16$8612a660$0104a8c0@sopwith.joat.com> FYI. I found some great reference material in FMP's Medal of Honor book. They have some good photos of 26, with the checkerboard on the top wing, and some color profiles based on the photos. jmw ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:30:40 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on Toko Pfalz DXII Message-ID: <199811300530.VAA08508@ednet1.orednet.org> Matt writes: >On Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:49:17 -0500 (EST) Mike Dicianna >writes: >>This kit is next in the queue for my workbench. Interesting info on >>colors >>and painting of the 1/48th BM kit in the Georga Chapter's newsletter. >>The >>Dark green upper wing with white chevron was a surprise! Planning >>on >>canabalizing some WWII 109thingie yellow decals for the K I on the >>fuselage. >>(what better use for this stock of decals in the model closet!) >Anybody have any other color info for D.XII's of Jasta 23b or 35b? Since >everybody is building "KI", I'm definitiely looking for something >different. Isn't "KI" actually "K" with a fuselage stripe? Or am I thinking of a different D.XII? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:58:37 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: More on Toko Pfalz DXII Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981129225837.0075bf88@dnc.net> A >>Anybody have any other color info for D.XII's of Jasta 23b or 35b? Since >>everybody is building "KI", I'm definitiely looking for something >>different. > > >Isn't "KI" actually "K" with a fuselage stripe? Or am I thinking >of a different D.XII? > >This seems to be in dispute, the article I noticed from Jim Wallace's Article states the photo is unconclusive. I have yet to track down the actual photo in question and am presently going with Bob Pearson's interpretation with a I or 1....Unless someone has a better read on this one. I just happen to like the contrast of the big yellow letters on the fuselage camo stripes:} Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:38:55 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: More on Toko Pfalz DXII Message-ID: <07385551403571@KAIEN.COM> I copied my profile of 2454/18 from that in the Profile Booklet. There the rear colour is portrayed as part of the fuselage camouflage pattern and the 'I' or '1' is a band over the rear fuselage. However Rimell portrays it on the Datafile with a solid rear fuselage and fin colour. He states " This aircraft is the subject of the Profile five aspect painting but closer examination of the photo below leads to different conclusions for the fuselage is in the early segmented scheme of purple, light grey, dark and light green; Pilot's markings are pesumed to be yellow. The '1" is shown in the profle as extending in a band over the back of the fuselage; while the rear fuselage colour matches that of the D.VII parked alongside and is possibly a Jasta colour shown here as black, but the true colour is not known. Upper wing crosses not known either, but some sources depict chevrons on the Jasta's aircraft which may have been the source of the Profile painting." The photo is of just the fuselage, fin and stabilizer. The stab and rear fuselage are a solid dark colour - however the fin is white, so he boo-booed there. Another Js35b D.XII is seen inflight and it has the chevron on the upperwing. So if you are using myinterpretation, the rear fuselage should now have a sharp edge to it and not be 'sprayed' as the other fuselage segments. It may also be in a non-camo colour of your choice. As fro teh upper wing colour, his general colour notes mentions " It is known that some Pfalz were overpainted using dark green over wing uppersurfaces and pale blue on the under surfaces, the 'dyed dope' was not opaque and the original lozenges of the printed fabric could still be seen." Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://www.kaien.com/~bpearson/Index.htm Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ ---------- > From: Mike Dicianna > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: More on Toko Pfalz DXII > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 01:59:47 -0500 (EST) > > A > >>Anybody have any other color info for D.XII's of Jasta 23b or 35b? Since > >>everybody is building "KI", I'm definitiely looking for something > >>different. > > > > > >Isn't "KI" actually "K" with a fuselage stripe? Or am I thinking > >of a different D.XII? > > > >This seems to be in dispute, the article I noticed from Jim Wallace's Article > states the photo is unconclusive. I have yet to track down the actual photo > in question and am presently going with Bob Pearson's interpretation with a > I or 1....Unless someone has a better read on this one. I just happen to like > the contrast of the big yellow letters on the fuselage camo stripes:} > Mikedc > "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:00:15 +-100 From: Tomasz Gronczewski To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: ODP: Hello from a new member of this list Message-ID: <01BE1C3F.D948D920@loopback> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE1C3F.D948D920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Philippe, Greetings from Poland. I've been here for less than a month only but I've experienced much fun. These guys are true experts. Tom ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE1C3F.D948D920 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IhAIAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA4gQAAAAAAADmAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAJAEAAAEAAAAMAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAASQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHd3aUBwZWFzZTEuc3Iu dW5oLmVkdQBTTVRQAHd3aUBwZWFzZTEuc3IudW5oLmVkdQAAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAA AB4AAzABAAAAFgAAAHd3aUBwZWFzZTEuc3IudW5oLmVkdQAAAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEw AQAAABgAAAAnd3dpQHBlYXNlMS5zci51bmguZWR1JwACAQswAQAAABsAAABTTVRQOldXSUBQRUFT RTEuU1IuVU5ILkVEVQAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAALyNAEEgAEAKgAA AE9EUDogSGVsbG8gZnJvbSBhIG5ldyBtZW1iZXIgb2YgdGhpcyBsaXN0ADEOAQWAAwAOAAAAzgcL AB4ACQAAAA8AAQAXAQEggAMADgAAAM4HCwAeAAgAMAA0AAEAawEBCYABACEAAAA5M0MxNEUxMzJE ODhEMjExQkRBNjQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADaBgEDkAYA3AIAABMAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwAp AAAAAAADAC4AAAAAAAMANgAAAAAAQAA5AMA9qnY3HL4BHgBwAAEAAAAqAAAAT0RQOiBIZWxsbyBm cm9tIGEgbmV3IG1lbWJlciBvZiB0aGlzIGxpc3QAAAACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABvhw3dqoTTsGUiC0R 0r2mREVTVAAAAAAeAB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AHwwBAAAAGQAAAHQuZ3JvbmN6ZXdza2lA ZWNiLmNvbS5wbAAAAAADAAYQ+rH9agMABxBzAAAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAASEVMTE9QSElMSVBQRSxH UkVFVElOR1NGUk9NUE9MQU5ESVZFQkVFTkhFUkVGT1JMRVNTVEhBTkFNT05USE9OTFlCVVRJVkVF WFBFUklFTkNFRE1VQ0hGVU5USEVTRUdVWVNBUgAAAAACAQkQAQAAAD0BAAA5AQAABwIAAExaRnXL B5yL/wAKAQ8CFQKoBesCgwBQA1QJAgBjaArAc2V0MvUAACoC4WEHgAYABsMCgGxNVBKnAfEyAuMR eDNEOCAHEyBDRQKDMx8DxRR6EhgP3QXiaGVs0QMgRGxnAoB9CoAIz8UJ2TsanzI1NQKACoEDDbEL YG5nMTA0NZcK+xQRC/JjAEAgSBkxMG8gUGgDEAUgcGVWLAqFCoVHCdF0C4BnHwQgA1If0AbwAHBk LiCoSSd2EpBiCeEgGSC3GqAh4AWxbAeQBCB0EaCZA6BhIARgAjBoIAIgNGx5IwB1BUAiw2V4syBA CIFuYwmAJKB1EZBpIeB1biKgVBkgEdAgOGd1eQQgCsASkHRyowpQJeR0cy4gfFQDcLMKiyAQMzYN 8B5scANgXnQFkAVACoUZwQAtYAAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcw4BDD3zUcvgFAAAgw4BDD 3zUcvgEeAD0AAQAAAAYAAABPRFA6IAAAAHSx ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE1C3F.D948D920-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:53:09 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Hello from a new member of this list Message-ID: <001c01be1bda$4942fd20$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well, judging by the undercarriage of some of my planes, the pilots of these might have been dahus.... -glup!- -----Mensaje original----- De: Philippe Spriesterbach Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Viernes 27 de Noviembre de 1998 9:00 PM Asunto: Re: Hello from a new member of this list >Here we have a very strange called "dahu". It's a beast living only on >hills flanks. If it's a male, you will always see it going from right >to left and if it's a female it goes from left to right. Why, do you >ask. Because, living on an uneven ground, the legs are shorter on one >side. Otherwise, it would stumble while walking. And do you know how >to hunt a dahu? Just sneak behind it and yell. It turns back and >falls. Simple, no? The only problem is that I have never encountered >anyone having seen a dahu. We are still looking for it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:07:04 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: New Members Message-ID: <005b01be1bdc$37c58840$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I'llsend you all the sun you can carry, Bob. Here in Argentina we had 32ºC yesterday and I stretched sprue just whit my bare fingers. -----Mensaje original----- De: Bob Pearson Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Sábado 28 de Noviembre de 1998 3:17 PM Asunto: Re: New Members > >Alberto kindly offeres . .. > >> pd.. Any thing you need from sunny South America, just ask > >How about the sun? The left coast of NA is a wee bit chilly right now > >Bob > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:50:03 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Metamorphisis Message-ID: <199811301027.KAA26587@beryl.sol.co.uk> I had thought about a shortened version of this using Hecht's Pfalz 1370/17 - a factory shot all shiny silbergrau, a Hecht/Voss(?) used Jasta scheme and, post-capture knackered, with overpainted roundels. Problem is for me in building multiple sets of models. I seem to take longer to build two of the same subject than twice a single subject - the four Camels all have cabane Strutz in place and top wings balanced on, all ready for painting. But, can I decide what colours to do them in? Can I hell! The NF is easy, it will be 44Sqdn, and one of the F.1s is decided - but the other F.1 and the 2F.1 just will not tell me what they want to be. Until then, an upstart Pfalz Eindecker and D.VIII have jumped the queue! Sandy > << Just wondering if anyone has tackled, or seen attempted, the "spectral > evolution" of the various incarnations of a particular aircraft from cradle > to grave. It would take a good set of photos over the given life of a > airplane. What I'm envisioning is a scenario something like this; the > plane factory fresh, various pilot and Jasta markings, interned captured > markings, allied experimental camouflage testing, air racing colors, air > mail scheme, Hollywood movie costume, barnstormer, derelict, and finally > restored to museum "correct" (you have to make some mistakes on this last > incarnation).... > Best Wishes, > Dave W. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:37:03 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Hello from a new member of this list Message-ID: <199811301035.KAA26839@beryl.sol.co.uk> > >Here we have a very strange called "dahu". It's a beast living only on > >hills flanks. If it's a male, you will always see it going from right > >to left and if it's a female it goes from left to right. Why, do you > >ask. Because, living on an uneven ground, the legs are shorter on one > >side. Otherwise, it would stumble while walking. And do you know how > >to hunt a dahu? Just sneak behind it and yell. It turns back and > >falls. Simple, no? The only problem is that I have never encountered > >anyone having seen a dahu. We are still looking for it. > Greetings Diego (and all other new ungreeted members) This beast must be identical to the Scottish Haggis - haggi have exactly the same modus operandi. Also they nest in rhubarb trees and whistle like cows. Sounds as if the species has transmigrated to Caledonia - where it is alive and well (and can be hunted prior to Burns' night, with special equipment). Lang may yer lum reek. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:01:41 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: JaPo Oeffag book Message-ID: <199811301059.KAA27744@beryl.sol.co.uk> For those who have been swithering about whether to get the JaPo Alb book cut on over to the Hannants site where they show one of the colour pages from this volume at: http://www.hannants.co.uk/cgi-bin/picview.pl?v=JAPO02&p=2&d=n&c=&x=1 One glance will probably convince that it is worth a tenner of anybody's money. This book is astonishing value. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:14:41 +-100 From: Tomasz Gronczewski To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: ODP: New Member Message-ID: <01BE1C59.54E1BDE0@loopback> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE1C59.54EAE5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Welcome new member! My interest is mostly in 1/48 scale Good choice I have just recently got back into the hobby after raising my kids to an age were I think they will not destroy my creations. Oh my God! My son is 3 years old - jeopardy is coming. This looks like a great group Oh yeah it does. 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