WWI Digest 1313 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 2) Re: Vintage Warbirds Series by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 3) Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 4) Re: Vintage Warbirds Series by "Brad Gossen" 5) Re: Vintage Warbirds Series by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: Happy Thanksgiving! by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 7) Re: Happy Thanksgiving! by Mick Fauchon 8) Thanks re: Vintage Warbirds Series by Zulis@aol.com 9) Re: Birthday wishes by Mick Fauchon 10) Re: Happy Thanksgiving! by Alberto Rada 11) Re: Comparison of current FSM D.VII article to the 'other' one by "Jim Wallace" 12) Re: Happy Thanksgiving! by "David Vosburgh" 13) Passchendaele D.II conversion by John & Allison Cyganowski 14) Re: Birthday wishes by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II by "David Vosburgh" 16) Holiday Wishes by John Huggins 17) Re: Thanks re: Vintage Warbirds Series by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: Comparison of current FSM D.VII article to the 'other' one by Ernest Thomas 19) Re: Happy Thanksgiving! by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: B.E. by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: Happy Thanksgiving! by Carlos Valdes 22) Re: Morane Saulnier by mkendix 23) Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 24) Re: Happy Thanksgiving! by Mick Fauchon 25) Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II by Bob Pearson 26) Re: B.E. by "David Vosburgh" 27) Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II by "David Vosburgh" 28) Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 29) Thanksging Day by Bill Bacon 30) Re: B.E. by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:47:10 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II Message-ID: Edward asks: >Would the Albatros Datafile Special Warplanes Volumes 1 and 2 provide >what I'm looking for? Do the volumes cover different years, >nationalities, or parts of the alphabet? > Edward: No! These books cover ten or twelve pretty obscure subjects. Unfortunately, there is no currently available general reference of the sort you're looking for except, maybe Janes A/C of WWI (and that will take some digging to stir up). Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 04:15:26 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vintage Warbirds Series Message-ID: <365D465E.6D8F@ricochet.net> Zulis@aol.com wrote: > The three I am aware of are: > > No. 2 - Rimell - German Army Air Service > No. 3 - Bruce - Sopwith Fighters > No. 6 - Imrie - Fokker Fighters > > Does anyone either have the entire set or know their names to fill me in on the other titles? #1 - Rimell - The Royal Flying Corps in World War One #4 - Bruce - The Bristol Fighter #5 - Bruce - The Sopwith Fighters #7 - Rimell- Air War Over Great Britain #8 - Imrie - German Air Aces of WWI #9 - Rimell -World War One in the Air #10 - Bruce - Nieuport Aircraft of WWI These are all excellent for photo coverage with an exceptional bang/buck ratio (when you can find them), but #s 4, 5, and 9 are my favorites. Also be on the lookout for similar Vintage Aviation fotofax series including volumes on the Camel, German Naval Air Service and German Bombers, as well as WWI Soldiers volumes on each year of the war. I believe this has been collected into one volume now, and can be had for about 15 USD. Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 04:23:46 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II Message-ID: <365D4852.607D@ricochet.net> Kevin & Kimberley wrote: > > Edward asks: > > >Would the Albatros Datafile Special Warplanes Volumes 1 and 2 provide > >what I'm looking for? Do the volumes cover different years, > >nationalities, or parts of the alphabet? > > > > Edward: > > No! These books cover ten or twelve pretty obscure subjects. Unfortunately, there is no currently available general reference of the sort you're looking for except, maybe Janes A/C of WWI (and that will take some digging to stir up). I have to concur with Kevin's assessment. I think the only main operational type in the Warplanes Volumes is the Pfalz D.III. Other types I seem to remember are the Martinsyde G.102 Elephant (?) Spad 12, Fokker D.VI, Ponnier D.I(?)and ? Floh D.1. Also be advised that the old Harleyford Fighters book might be more useful for details on rigging than Jane's. If you have a short list of immediate projects, I can probably help you out with most of the info. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:34:37 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Vintage Warbirds Series Message-ID: <199811260037.TAA24117@smtp2.globalserve.net> Dave Other titles that I'm aware of are: No 1 Rimell The Royal Flying Corps In WW1 No 4 JM Bruce The Bristol Fighter No 7 Rimell Air War Over Great Britain 1914-1918 No 8 Imrie German Air Aces of WW1 No 9 Rimell World War One In The Air No 10 JM Bruce Nieuport Aircraft Of WW1 In a similar vein are the Fotofax publications: German Naval Air Service - Imerie German Bombers of World War One - Imerie All are Arms and Armour Press publications. Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: Zulis@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Vintage Warbirds Series > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 5:56 PM > > > Greetings! > > I have one of the books in the Vintage Warbirds Series, and have acquired two > others which are coming to me from the U.S. Judging by No.2 - Rimell's > "The German Army Air Service" these are very good - loads of well-captioned > pics and the authors are certainly heavy hitters. > > The three I am aware of are: > > No. 2 - Rimell - German Army Air Service > No. 3 - Bruce - Sopwith Fighters > No. 6 - Imrie - Fokker Fighters > > Does anyone either have the entire set or know their names to fill me in on > the other titles? ( I need to know what I am shooting for....). > > Thanks, > > Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:15:51 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vintage Warbirds Series Message-ID: <3bdbe879.365c9db7@aol.com> In a message dated 11/25/98 2:58:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << The three I am aware of are: No. 2 - Rimell - German Army Air Service No. 3 - Bruce - Sopwith Fighters No. 6 - Imrie - Fokker Fighters >> Toss in: No.1 - Rimell - The Royal Flying Corps in WW I No.4 - Bruce - Shane's Bane ( er..uh...the Bristol Fighter) No.5 - Bruce - The Sopwith Fighters No.7 - Rimell - Air war Over Great Britain 1914-1918 No.8 - Imrie - German Aces No.9 - Rimell - WW I in the Air ( just what it means- ALL aerial photographs!) No.10 - Bruce - Bittner Bios ( Sorry, I meant to type "Nieuport Aircraft of WW I) All very nice and useful! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:39:48 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981125173948.0071156c@mail> At 07:50 PM 24/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >Although an American Holiday, and probably not on topic, I would like to >wish all of you, my friends a very Happy Thanksgiving! Indeed it is. But I did my best to convince the wife she should roast a turkey in honour of our southern neighbour's big holiday, but nothing doing; looks like I'll have to settle for a turkey sandwich for lunch. Dane >John Cyg. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:25:25 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Message-ID: > >Although an American Holiday, and probably not on topic, I would like to > >wish all of you, my friends a very Happy Thanksgiving! Likewise, even though we don't observe it down here either. > doing; looks like I'll have to settle for a turkey sandwich for lunch. Ham sandwich 80( Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:19:17 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Thanks re: Vintage Warbirds Series Message-ID: <94fe1531.365cac95@aol.com> Thanks to Riordan, Brad and Robert for the info on the books. Looks like I am only about 1/3 of the way there... but gives me something to work on. Happy Thanksgiving to our friends south of the border! Dave Zulis " I can think of no sight more pleasing that that of a Spad in the air, under the control of a skillful French pilot. Swallows perch in envious silence on the chimney pots.... " J.N.Hall in "High Adventure" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:40:36 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Birthday wishes Message-ID: Robert, > << Pfeel pfree to take Pfrisky to Pforzheim eating pfeffernuisse (a sweet > and spicy treat) Hmmmm....must be getting close to Christmas again! "Sweet and spicy" indeed! Pfeffern"u3e are also known to some antipodean households.....in fact I devoured a substantial quantity the other night.....with relish!....No! let me re-phrase that: with great enthusiasm. However my wife chief Christmas traditional culinary specialty is gingerbread.......Yummmm-o! Can't wait 80) And no Thanksgiving turkey either 80( But Happy Thanksgiving anyway, guys. I'm going to lunch.......... Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:17:49 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Message-ID: <365CBA4D.3B8C395E@argonaut.net> To all our USA Friends I wish a very happy Thanksgiving and why not? to all of us in the rest of the planet , Also a very happy Thanksgiving, we all love turkey, don't we ? SALUDOS MIS AMIGOS Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:22:13 -0500 From: "Jim Wallace" To: Subject: Re: Comparison of current FSM D.VII article to the 'other' one Message-ID: <029501be18e3$94589a30$0104a8c0@sopwith.joat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Ernest Thomas > > Does your painted lozenge involve frisket film? > E. I needed something much more robust than frisket since I needed to reuse each pattern several times. I printed the lozenge pattern, then copied it to overhead transparency film at the copy shop. Then I cut three patterns (thank goodness not five-color!). Since it didn't lay perfectly snug on the ribbed wing, it did take some touchup where paint blew under the pattern. This technique is a modification of one in January 1989 FSM. If anyone is interested, I can post how-to with some photos on my web site. And here's the correct link, not my own machine - doh! http://www.mindspring.com/~jmw3/wwi/models/jwplane.htm#D7 jmw ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:25:59 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Message-ID: <001e01be18e4$1b996380$24d690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: Mick Fauchon Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 8:37 PM >...looks like I'll have to settle for a turkey sandwich for lunch. > > Ham sandwich 80( > > Mick. Veering back onto the possum thing, up here (particularly in the Southern US) possums are regarded as highly edible in some circles. I've never tried 'em myself, but was idly wondering whether their brush-tailed Australian cousins have to watch out for the stew pot as well... Wishes for a happy Thanksgiving or its equivalent to all and sundry. Dave (who's having the more traditional turkey tomorrow although he almost hit a possum on the way home tonight) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:14:16 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Passchendaele D.II conversion Message-ID: <365CB978.E81@worldnet.att.net> Sandy is very kind. I haven't done much promotion of the kit for a number of reasons. It may show up in Windsock. The Albatros D.II conversion kit now features: Injection Quality Polyurethane Resin Castings of; Upper Wing Lower Wings Windhoff Fuselage Mounted Radiators Coolant Expansion / Reservoir Wheel Hubs with 2 different size sets of o-ring tires 2 Full Color, 3-View Profiles by aviation artist/historian Dan-San Abbott. Profiles feature the Jasta 2 markings of Oswald Boelcke and Manfred von Richthofen, with a correct 3 color upper camouflage scheme based on Dan-San’s latest research. Decals - Art work by Mr. Bob Pearson -Featured Illustrator of Flying Machines Press and “Over the Front” Magazine, manufactured by Microscale, registration is perfect. Instructions - The illustrated instructions use the Glencoe kit as the basis - but this conversion should work even better with the Eduard Albatros D.III All of this delivered for $16.00 (US). Passchendaele P.O. Box 1393 Nashua, NH 03062 USA We can take checks drawn in US funds or money orders. We cannot take credit cards as of yet. Sandy sent a travelers check due to the unavailability of an International money order. If you must use a Visa, you may purchase kits through Sopwith Hobbies and they can be reached at SOPWITHUSA@aol.com. I don't know what his retail pricing is. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:37:06 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Birthday wishes Message-ID: <54ea6236.365cbed2@aol.com> In a message dated 11/25/98 5:37:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au writes: << And no Thanksgiving turkey either 80( But Happy Thanksgiving anyway, guys. I'm going to lunch.......... Cheers, Mick.>> One day of turkey is fine, two days is tolerable, three days is approaching the gag threshold, and the fourth day is time to run just as hard as one can away from the evil sulpherous bird. (although it may taste better than possum!) RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:48:15 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II Message-ID: <003701be18e7$37f3f740$24d690d0@Pvosburg> ----Original Message----- From: Kevin & Kimberley Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II >...Unfortunately, there is no currently available general reference of the sort you're >looking for except, maybe Janes A/C of WWI (and that will take some digging >to stir up). > >Kevin Barrett. > Edward R. Hamilton has "Janes Fighting Aircraft of WWI" listed in the flyer I got today for $22.95, if anyone's interested. It's also in his online catalog under Air Combat, et al.; navigate to the Hamilton link at Jim Wallace's web site he provided earlier today (great pictures of the D.VII, Jim! That was also quite a gentlemanly contrast last night on list of your article vs. the one in FSM). Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:53:39 -0600 From: John Huggins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Holiday Wishes Message-ID: I would like to wish each and every one of you a very happy holiday season. The next few weeks will be very busy for some of us, a time to relax for others and a time to enjoy being with friends and family for all. What ever and where ever you may be, enjoy your selves and may we all have a much better 1999 than we had in 1998. Sincerely John Huggins Older than most, not as old as some but still a kid at heart and a modeler. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:37:05 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks re: Vintage Warbirds Series Message-ID: In a message dated 11/25/98 5:29:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << Thanks to Riordan, Brad and Robert for the info on the books. Looks like I am only about 1/3 of the way there... but gives me something to work on. Happy Thanksgiving to our friends south of the border! Dave Zulis >> No problem, and thanks! RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:36:30 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Comparison of current FSM D.VII article to the 'other' one Message-ID: <365CCCBE.2AB@bellsouth.net> Jim Wallace wrote: > This technique is a modification of one in January 1989 FSM. If anyone is > interested, I can post how-to with some photos on my web site. Please! Always interested in how to. tia. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:41:01 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Message-ID: <365CCDCD.59B7@bellsouth.net> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > Although an American Holiday, and probably not on topic, I would like to > wish all of you, my friends a very Happy Thanksgiving! gobble gobble! E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:02:58 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: B.E. Message-ID: <1ac338a0.365cd2f2@aol.com> In a message dated 11/25/98 12:23:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << No.119, Apr. '88, which reprints four drawings of the -2a from the Dec. 1912 issue of "Aeronautics" (not "Flight" as I mentioned earlier). I also have another drawing of the rudder in another issue showing the tube framing, so I suspected the elevators were similar. Thanks, Robert. Dave >> BTW, are you doing the long chord or short chord tailplane version? Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:27:02 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Message-ID: <365881A6.6081@conted.gatech.edu> > To all our USA Friends > > I wish a very happy Thanksgiving > > and why not? to all of us in the rest of the planet , > > Also a very happy Thanksgiving, we all love turkey, don't we ? > > SALUDOS MIS AMIGOS > > Alberto Muchas gracias, Alberto, desde los EEUU. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:01:44 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier Message-ID: Thanks to those folks who kindly explained about the Morane Saulnier I (looks like a "J") business. Since my wife is a vegetarian, I cook the turkey. Just finished boiling up the possum giblets to go into the stuffing tomorrow. Happy Thanksgiving. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:21:16 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II Message-ID: <199811260421.UAA25123@ednet1.orednet.org> Dave writes: >>...Unfortunately, there is no currently available general reference of the >sort you're >>looking for except, maybe Janes A/C of WWI (and that will take some digging >>to stir up). >> >>Kevin Barrett. >Edward R. Hamilton has "Janes Fighting Aircraft of WWI" listed in the flyer >I got today for $22.95, if anyone's interested. It's also in his online >catalog under Air Combat, et al.; navigate to the Hamilton link at Jim >Wallace's web site he provided earlier today (great pictures of the D.VII, >Jim! That was also quite a gentlemanly contrast last night on list of your >article vs. the one in FSM). The Jane's reprint would not be a good choice for the desired purpose. Most of the photographs are sufficiently murky that they are almost useless for use to pick out details for modeling purposes. In many photos, for instance, you can't even see the rigging and control wires at all, much less identify the attachment points. The drawings are of highly variable quality and usefulness as well. The book is not without value but its value as a modeling reference is pretty low. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "These savages may indeed be a formidable Enemy to your raw American militia, but upon the King's regular and disciplined Troops, Sir, it is impossible that they could make any Impression." Major General Edward Braddock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:37:31 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Message-ID: David, > Veering back onto the possum thing, up here (particularly in the Southern > US) possums are regarded as highly edible in some circles. I've never tried > 'em myself, but was idly wondering whether their brush-tailed Australian > cousins have to watch out for the stew pot as well... > I hear that people used to eat them here during the Great Depression, but I've never tried them myself. Gotta be tasties than a bandicoot [small shrew-like native marsupial]! The recipe if probably much the same as for cooking a cockatoo: put it in a large pot with a medium-sized stone; boil until the stone goes soft; throw the cockatoo away, nad eat the stone. > Wishes for a happy Thanksgiving or its equivalent to all and sundry. > Thanks. > Dave > (who's having the more traditional turkey tomorrow although he almost hit a > possum on the way home tonight) Not close enough! They gotta be dead before ya eat em!! 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:39:06 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II Message-ID: <04390673303291@KAIEN.COM> There is also the three volumes in the Aircraft Archives series. Each of these had around 30 aircraft tyoes featured in each volume. These were from all the nations and are a nice basic collection of GAs. The quality varied from great to "What the #$%^&?. . but the price is right. Not sure if they are still available or not. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://www.kaien.com/~bpearson/Index.htm Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:23:04 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: B.E. Message-ID: <005801be18fc$d8dadd80$24d690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 11:24 PM Subject: Re: B.E. >BTW, are you doing the long chord or short chord tailplane version? >Robert K. > Do you mean short chord as in "short chord with parallel leading & trailing edges and square tips"? If so I was under the impression that that arrangement wasn't used until the -2c model. If on the other hand there were chord variations within the "Taube" tailplane arrangement used on the -2a & b then I'm not familiar with them. Please advise... I'm thinking vaguely of doing Lt. Harvey-Kellys No. 347 of No. 2 Sqdn. if that helps place it production-wise. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:39:22 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II Message-ID: <006901be18ff$1fa09fa0$24d690d0@Pvosburg> Hi Bill: I was just annotating Kevins suggestion in RE: "Janes Fighting A/C"... I don't have the book myself, since I'm fortunate enough to own an original copy of Janes 1919 . However, I understand from Leo Opdyke that the reprint did leave much to be desired in terms of reproduction, and to add insult to injury they left out the advertisement section! That's one of my favorite parts, and has been refered to here by Dave Fletcher & others. But wouldn't you still think it a basic reference of sorts? Regards, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bill Shatzer Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 11:38 PM Subject: Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II >The Jane's reprint would not be a good choice for the desired purpose...The drawings are of highly >variable quality and usefulness as well. > >The book is not without value but its value as a modeling reference is >pretty low. > >Cheers and all, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:15:09 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Warplanes Volumes I and II Message-ID: <199811260615.WAA04523@ednet1.orednet.org> Dave writes: >Hi Bill: > >I was just annotating Kevins suggestion in RE: "Janes Fighting A/C"... I >don't have the book myself, since I'm fortunate enough to own an original >copy of Janes 1919 . However, I understand from Leo Opdyke >that the reprint did leave much to be desired in terms of reproduction, and >to add insult to injury they left out the advertisement section! That's one >of my favorite parts, and has been refered to here by Dave Fletcher & >others. But wouldn't you still think it a basic reference of sorts? As I opined, the book is not without value - heck, I bought a copy of it myself - which is why I could critique the photos and drawings. It is a decent basic reference of a sort - for one thing it provides photos of and a reference to all sorts of weird and obscure WW1 aircraft which otherwise would escape my notice entirely. I mean, where else would you find references to Peruvian and Mexican WW1 era aircraft? With photos illustrating the 1918 Mexican national markings? But as a -modeling- reference, it really isn't very useful - although if I ever wanted to model a Mexican aircraft, the photos of the national insignia might be useful. Still, Mexican aircraft aren't very high on my list of modeling possibilities. I guess "quaint" would be the term I'd apply to the Janes' reprint. And quaintness has a certain charm. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "These savages may indeed be a formidable Enemy to your raw American militia, but upon the King's regular and disciplined Troops, Sir, it is impossible that they could make any Impression." Major General Edward Braddock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 01:01:25 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Thanksging Day Message-ID: <365CFCC5.CA8FC47D@netjava.net> To all, Best wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving where ever you are. Friends like you are rare and treasured. You are all very high on my list of things to be thankful for. (sound better than "for which to be thankful") Have a great day. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 02:07:26 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: B.E. Message-ID: In a message dated 11/25/98 9:24:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << Do you mean short chord as in "short chord with parallel leading & trailing edges and square tips"? If so I was under the impression that that arrangement wasn't used until the -2c model. If on the other hand there were chord variations within the "Taube" tailplane arrangement used on the -2a & b then I'm not familiar with them. Please advise... I'm thinking vaguely of doing Lt. Harvey-Kellys No. 347 of No. 2 Sqdn. if that helps place it production-wise. Dave >> The drawings on page 12 in the WW I Aero you referred to (No 119 April 88)showed a curved tailplane that covered four fuselage bays. No 347 and other production versions had a curved tailplane somewhat of the same shape, but it only covered three fuselage bays. The drawing on page 5 shows a more accurate shape and size for 347.The elevators kept the same size and shape. Not to be confused with the later, rectangular shape. Robert K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1313 **********************