WWI Digest 1312 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Birthday wishes by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 2) Re: Birthday wishes by John Huggins 3) Re: Off-Topic: Kalinin K-7 by "David Vosburgh" 4) RE: Possums by Shane Weier 5) Toko Pfalz D.XII Comments by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 6) RE: Possums by Mick Fauchon 7) Comparison of current FSM D.VII article to the 'other' one by "Jim Wallace" 8) Re: Comparison of current FSM D.VII article to the 'other' one by Ernest Thomas 9) Re: Off-Topic: Kalinin K-7 by "David Vosburgh" 10) Re: Off-Topic: Kalinin K-7 by Ernest Thomas 11) Re: Possums by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Names by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: Possums by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: Happy Thanksgiving! by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: Windsock 14/6 by Graham Nash 16) Re: Comparison of current FSM D.VII article to the 'other' one by Graham Nash 17) Re: Possums by "Sandy Adam" 18) Fw: Passchendaele D.II conversion by "Sandy Adam" 19) Re: Names by "Sandy Adam" 20) Re: Names by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 21) Re: british naming conventions, by "Sandy Adam" 22) Re: Names by "Sandy Adam" 23) Re: Names by Graham Nash 24) Re: Toko Pfalz D.XII Comments by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 25) Re: Names by "Sandy Adam" 26) Re: Possums by Mike Dicianna 27) Re: Possums by "David Vosburgh" 28) Re: british naming conventions, by "David Vosburgh" 29) RE: B.E. by "David Vosburgh" 30) Re: B.E. by KarrArt@aol.com 31) Re: B.E. by "David Vosburgh" 32) Warplanes Volumes I and II by "Edward Swaim" 33) British acft. names possibly even on-topic by "Steven M. Perry" 34) ipms Italy wwi web page by Franco Poloni 35) Re: ipms Italy wwi web page by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 36) Vintage Warbirds Series by Zulis@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:48:12 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Birthday wishes Message-ID: <365b6fb0.828151@legend.firstsaga.com> On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:33:21 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >In a message dated 11/24/98 5:44:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, >sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: > ><< I sit at thy feet and wonder..... > > ...how the hell my crumbling knees will ever get me up again > > Shane > (not *very* much younger ) >> > Super glue a Viagra tab just behind your knee cap? >RK Then you have to stand up for 6 hours...lopsided, unless you do both knees. Len Visit the Swap'N' Shop pages... http://www2.firstsaga.com/lfendy/fof_site.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:58:56 -0600 From: John Huggins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Birthday wishes Message-ID: > > Happy birthday Robert, > I would like to take a moment to wish all of you youngsters a happy birthday, and may you have many more to come. Have a good one, and build something. Don't worry about mid life crises, I hear it is only a figment of your imagination. In another 15 or 20 years when I get there, I'll send back a report. Till then, I'll just enjoy my youth and build models. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:58:55 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Kalinin K-7 Message-ID: <002001be181f$8ad7bdc0$16d690d0@Pvosburg> I have a nice set of 5-view drawings with scrap details which originally came from a Czech magazine if you want to borrow 'em, Ernest. You could probably re-shape an old kneeboard to get that nifty fuselage/wing for starters! Dave ---Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 8:02 PM Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Kalinin K-7 >David Vosburgh wrote: >> >> Tovarischi: >> >> For anyone interested in the Kalinin bomber I mentioned, check out... >> >> http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/k7giant.html >> >> .. 3-view and all! >> >> S uvazhenyem, >> >> Dave > >Oh, I don't know...It's got a certain...'something'. I might buil a >model of this, if it was available. >E. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:23:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Possums Message-ID: David says: > They look like > large, silvery rats with long, unpleasant, hairless pink tails, and are > among the most stupid creatures on God's Green Earth... most commonly > encountered in a two-dimensional state in the highway. > Not at all the same critter as we have in Australia. Ours are NOT Opossums, don't have hairless tails, aren't silvery and not at all like rats, PLUS are irritatingly clever little buggers who delight in shagging (loudly) on the roof of your house at 1am, or picking mangoes, eating a little and pitching the stones on the roof so they can listen to the rattle, clang on the galvanised roofing iron. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:27:05 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Toko Pfalz D.XII Comments Message-ID: <365c71e7.1394696@legend.firstsaga.com> In looking at the kit and comparing it against the plans in the data file it appears that the wings and tailplane are slightly oversize and the bottom of the rudder is slightly small. No big deal...I like the kit a lot. Of course the wings might be just right for the D.XVI. Assembly: Fuselage halves went together fine with just a little bit of clean-up. I left the section forward of the cockpit unglued so I could get the engine in after the lower wing was in place. Dash was inserted from the bottom wing cutout and the lower wing glued on. The seams on the wing fillets were spot-on but I had to fill/sand at both the front and rear fuselage attachment points. I then inserted the floorboard, w/rudder pedals attached, through the front of the fuselage. Engine was assembled and painted. Not a bad looking molding for the scale. Engine was slid into place and glued. Next I added the radiator which will require a little filler and filing for a clean fit. At this point I took a close look at the ammo chutes that are molded on and decided they looked too big and so I removed them. Of course in the process I managed to break the engine loose and since the radiator had already been glued into place the engine is just sort of sitting there... I also found out that gluing the gun troughs to the front of the guns ahead of time will make that whole installation easier. The mounting pins on the rudder/fin piece need to be thinned down or removed to get a good fit. The elevator/tail piece slides into slots on the rear of the fuselage ala the old balsa gliders. I had to do some filing on the slots to get a good fit. Next step, after finishing the fuselage/radiator seam will be to paint a uniform "some kind of grey primer" coat. With the coming holiday and company arriving from out of town I'm not sure when I'll get to that stage. So far I'm impressed w/the quality of this kit and look forward to getting it finished and then maybe on to the Toko D.III. Stay tuned... Len Visit the Swap'N' Shop pages... http://www2.firstsaga.com/lfendy/fof_site.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:38:55 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Possums Message-ID: Shane, > rats, PLUS are irritatingly clever little buggers who delight in > shagging (loudly) on the roof of your house at 1am, or picking mangoes, In which case we should be eternally thankful that wombats can't climb......the mind boggles! Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:40:13 -0500 From: "Jim Wallace" To: "Wwi" Subject: Comparison of current FSM D.VII article to the 'other' one Message-ID: <017201be1825$4f3c21b0$0104a8c0@sopwith.joat.com> At the same time FSM accepted the currently running Revell D.VII article, they accepted mine too (submitted well over a year ago). Since it will no doubt be quite some time before they run it, I thought I'd share some of the differences in how I did it. I saw Frank's D.VII in person and it is beautiful and his article is very good. We did many of the same things, but we did do some things differently. I have posted some photos on my web site at http://sopwith/wwi/models/jwplane.htm#D7 Upper Wing: Instead of cutting it, I heated it and bent it straight. I used a metal bar to hold it straight, and shimmed the ends. This avoids filling any cuts, and as I found out during final assembly, corrects the kit's short inter-wing gap. Using this method, the cabane struts fit with minor trimming. Fuselage: I removed the top and bottom from the cockpit on back to correct the fat taper as Frank did. I replaced them with new styrene. From my comparison of scanned and overlaid photos and drawings, the excess height seemed to be in the top of the fuselage, instead of on the sides. Thus, I only cut the top and bottom off, and made the top less humped. The area under the engine is far too shallow in the kit. I corrected the curve with epoxy putty. I also lengthened the fuselage by about 1/8". Engine: The engine sits too low in the cowling. Since the prop hub is correct, I added a 0.04" shim under the cylinders. Cockpit, guns: I also scratchbuilt about everything in the cockpit, with the aid of Tom's Modelworks German Interior set. I used the kit seat, and hacked up the instrument panel big time. Using the kit's gunstocks, I detailed them with the 1/28 Tom's Modelworks Spandau kit. Wheels: The kit wheels are too small. I used the kit wheels as a base for building new wheels by sanding down the tire part. I used 11/16" x 13/16" x 1/8" #16 o-rings for the tires. Prop: Also too big. I cut it down to a scale 275cm (3 7/8"). Painting: Real men don't need no stinking decals. It is painted in Udet's Lo! scheme, everything painted on, including the lozenge. The rib tapes are lozenge painted on clear decal film. That's about it. We did many of the same things and some different to get to the same end. I hope this gives people some more ideas when they go to attack this kit. (I just hope that someday you'll see my article is FSM, too!) jmw ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:07:34 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Comparison of current FSM D.VII article to the 'other' one Message-ID: <365B8286.527E@bellsouth.net> Jim Wallace wrote: > > At the same time FSM accepted the currently running Revell D.VII article, > they accepted mine too (submitted well over a year ago). Since it will no > doubt be quite some time before they run it, I thought I'd share some of the > differences in how I did it. Thanks Much. Into the Big D-VII box it goes, along with RK's and the FSM piece. Does your painted lozenge involve frisket film? E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:13:38 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Kalinin K-7 Message-ID: <000601be1829$fb5aa4e0$16d690d0@Pvosburg> Sandy: Looking at the beast, I can see the resemblance to the Junkers (what a name! One of their -87 models almost put paid to my dear old Dad; he's still carrying shrapnel as a memento) and wouldn't be too surprised if they had a hand, directly or not, in the design. The K-7 even looks like it's made of that lovely corrugated metal. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Kalinin K-7 >Spasibo David >Looks decidedly Hunnish to me - its got He-111 planform wings and looks >like a Ju-86 in profile with Ar-96 floats. from the front its that funny >looking 30's Lufthansa Krautflugzeug that Revell kitted recently. Would >look at home with a red band and swastika on the tail. >Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:12:24 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Kalinin K-7 Message-ID: <365B83A8.30D8@bellsouth.net> David Vosburgh wrote: > > I have a nice set of 5-view drawings with scrap details which originally > came from a Czech magazine if you want to borrow 'em, Ernest. You could > probably re-shape an old kneeboard to get that nifty fuselage/wing for > starters! > uuhhh,gee, I just said I would build one, not SCRATCH build one.:) But thanks. If we're still on speaking terms when I get around to that project, (year 20something) I'll definitely take you up on tbat offer. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:50:45 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Possums Message-ID: <6494039.365ba8c5@aol.com> In a message dated 11/24/98 4:57:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, mikedc@dnc.net writes: << Finally after pounding it with the Plunger long enough, it retreated, back out the door and into the night with me in close pursuit (naked as a jaybird running through the backyard)!!! What a way to start a day.... Back to our on topic discussions:} > Mikedc >> I am stunned and speechless RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:50:44 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Names Message-ID: In a message dated 11/24/98 5:07:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, mdf@mars.ark.com writes: << Everybody's picking on the Brits - what about flying an aeroplane called Pfalz (pronounced 'faults'?). > I'm not sure what all the implications of "Rumpler" might be. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:50:48 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Possums Message-ID: In a message dated 11/24/98 2:23:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au writes: << Ours are much the same, except that they have bush tails, and tend to go bezerk when disturbed, especially inside houses; hence the expression: "Don't stir the possum". >> A fuzzy tailed possum, I've learned something today. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:50:46 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving! Message-ID: <49d617a6.365ba8c6@aol.com> In a message dated 11/24/98 4:53:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, Janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << Although an American Holiday, and probably not on topic, I would like to wish all of you, my friends a very Happy Thanksgiving! John Cyg >> And to you! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:54:21 +0000 From: Graham Nash To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock 14/6 Message-ID: <199811250854.DAA18494@egate2.citicorp.com> Pedro e Francisca Soares wrote: > > Every once in a while I get tempted at buying this or that datafile but without VISA that really isn't practical. > > Any place to order them from in the UK that accepts VISA? Sandy, Graham, Geoff? Well, both Comet Minatures, Hannants and the Aviation Bookshop stock Datafiles and accept VISA, but you are stuck with minimum overseas orders amounts, typically about GBP30.00 Alternatively, if you are able to get British 5 or 10 pound notes, then I will be more than happy to get you a any individual datafile/windsock and post it out to you. Best wishes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:00:30 +0000 From: Graham Nash To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Comparison of current FSM D.VII article to the 'other' one Message-ID: <199811250900.EAA18859@egate2.citicorp.com> Jim Wallace wrote: > > I have posted some photos on my web site at > > http://sopwith/wwi/models/jwplane.htm#D7 > Could you confirm the URL please Jim? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:22:29 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Possums Message-ID: <199811250929.JAA17044@beryl.sol.co.uk> > << Finally > after pounding it with the Plunger long enough, it retreated, back out the > door ..... Pardon......? What did you say you did to it..? Sandy (Like the capital letter!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:25:56 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Fw: Passchendaele D.II conversion Message-ID: <199811250929.JAA17052@beryl.sol.co.uk> John - maybe you could enlighten Mike and other newer members - and remind us older ones - about your Paaschendaele conversion? Still available, price, etc? Sandy > I missed this completely. Would you please enlighten me as to exactly what > this is, where do I get one, how much, and anything else you think is > relevent. > Thanks. > Mike Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:30:06 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Names Message-ID: <199811250929.JAA17055@beryl.sol.co.uk> > << Everybody's picking on the Brits - what about flying an aeroplane called > Pfalz (pronounced 'faults'?). > > I'm not sure what all the implications of "Rumpler" might be. > Robert K. Ho, ho, love it! - what about a Schutte-Lanz? Or if you had to fly an Albatros - imagine having that hanging round your neck! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:04:02 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Names Message-ID: <199811251004.CAA07646@ednet1.orednet.org> >> << Everybody's picking on the Brits - what about flying an aeroplane >called >> Pfalz (pronounced 'faults'?). > >> I'm not sure what all the implications of "Rumpler" might be. >> Robert K. >Ho, ho, love it! - what about a Schutte-Lanz? Or if you had to fly an >Albatros - imagine having that hanging round your neck! Would that be worse than having a "Vampire" hanging around your neck? A name which, incidently, has been used at least twice by the Brits. Once for a on-topic aircraft from Vickers. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "These savages may indeed be a formidable Enemy to your raw American militia, but upon the King's regular and disciplined Troops, Sir, it is impossible that they could make any Impression." Major General Edward Braddock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:08:54 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: british naming conventions, Message-ID: <199811251109.LAA21105@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Actually, "boil" is a misnoma.......the correct translation is > "bump" or "lump". I think they both come from the original Saxon "boyle". The English became "boil", the German "beule". Similarly Swelling/Schwellung and Lump/Klumpen - good old earthy mediaeval words for lumps, sores, boils and blemishes. Sandy PS "misnoma" is a misnomer. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:20:53 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Names Message-ID: <199811251119.LAA21488@beryl.sol.co.uk> > >Ho, ho, love it! - what about a Schutte-Lanz? Or if you had to fly an > >Albatros - imagine having that hanging round your neck! > Would that be worse than having a "Vampire" hanging around your neck? Its a pity the British made the Vampire - although as a nightfighter, the name is perfect - but if the Germans had had a naming system, what could be more appropriate than the "Bloody Red Baron" flying a "Vampyr"? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:33:36 +0000 From: Graham Nash To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Names Message-ID: <199811251133.GAA03329@egate2.citicorp.com> Sandy Adam wrote: > if the Germans had had a naming system, what could be > more appropriate than the "Bloody Red Baron" flying a "Vampyr"? And we'd have a Mr Roy Brown, flying what else but a... 'Shagbat' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:17:39 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toko Pfalz D.XII Comments Message-ID: Len writes: >Assembly: Fuselage halves went together fine with just a little bit of >clean-up. I left the section forward of the cockpit unglued so I could >get the engine in after the lower wing was in place. (snip) >Next step, after finishing the fuselage/radiator seam will be to paint >a uniform "some kind of grey primer" coat. Len, You and I are at about the same stage with this kit. I just started painting the fuselage last night. I am making an uncamoflaged version similar to 1491/18 as seen in the Datafile, page 8. Profile 199(?) on the Pfalz D.XII leads me to believe that several of these planes had their lower wing pained light blue over the lozenge (see datafile pg.25, bottom photo for evidence of this). I'm test painting some lower lozenge on a scrap-pile plane to see how this looks - early efforts are promising. Rushing for an early December completion date, so I'll let you know how it goes. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:30:31 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Names Message-ID: <199811251228.MAA24157@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > if the Germans had had a naming system, what could be > > more appropriate than the "Bloody Red Baron" flying a "Vampyr"? > > And we'd have a Mr Roy Brown, flying what else but a... 'Shagbat' 10 out of 10 Graham, go to the top of the class! Sandy (ROTFL!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 05:43:12 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Possums Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981125054312.0074b370@dnc.net> At 04:29 AM 11/25/98 -0500, you wrote: >> << Finally >> after pounding it with the Plunger long enough, it retreated, back out >the >> door ..... > >Pardon......? What did you say you did to it..? >Sandy >(Like the capital letter!) > >This possum fought back, hissing, spitting, biting at the toilet plunger. They are mean little buggers when confronted by a giant hairless creature in a bathroom!!! Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:21:11 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Possums Message-ID: <003701be187e$daad77e0$14d690d0@Pvosburg> Mike: Well, maybe the poor critter just misread your intentions in re: the Plunger. Also, in re: Australian possums, when my daughter was about five, one of her favorite childrens books was called "The Brave Brush-Tailed Possum" and featured something which looked more like one of our Raccoons along with a bunch of other wonderful Dr. Seuss-type animals from Down Under (the bad guy was a goanna {sp?} as I recall. But in the book Possum was quite well-behaved, of course, and didn't engage in any of the activities that Shane mentioned last night. DV -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dicianna To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Possums >>This possum fought back, hissing, spitting, biting at the toilet plunger. >They are mean little buggers when confronted by a giant hairless creature >in a bathroom!!! >Mikedc >"Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:24:49 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: british naming conventions, Message-ID: <003e01be187f$5cb79180$14d690d0@Pvosburg> Phillip: I'd certainly be interested in the article. If you're not going to post it on-list could you please fwd: it to me? TIA, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 10:55 AM Subject: british naming conventions, was RE: Possums wasRe: Sweet Vera (Alb. D.III 2096/16) >joking aside, i agree (particularly about the hart series). in fact, would >anyone be interested in a short table which outlines the british naming >conventions of the period for various types of aircraft? if so, i could >post that to the list. > >phillip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:29:43 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI M.M.L." Subject: RE: B.E. Message-ID: <000301be1899$31432720$1dd690d0@Pvosburg> Back on-topic, at long last. Two questions on the B.E.2a; all help greatly appreciated, as always: 1.) Does anyone know if the differences between the 70/75/80 hp. Renault V-8s were internal --- i.e., bore and/or compression as in the various hp Hissos --- or were there external differences as well? My impression & references tend to indicate the former. 2.) Were the horizontal stabilizers & elevators constructed of wood, tube, or a combination of both? My refs (primarily the original "Flight" drawings as reprinted in WWI Aero) are unclear on this point. TIA, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:22:47 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: B.E. Message-ID: In a message dated 11/25/98 9:31:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << 1.) Does anyone know if the differences between the 70/75/80 hp. Renault V-8s were internal --- i.e., bore and/or compression as in the various hp Hissos --- or were there external differences as well? My impression & references tend to indicate the former. 2.) Were the horizontal stabilizers & elevators constructed of wood, tube, or a combination of both? My refs (primarily the original "Flight" drawings as reprinted in WWI Aero) are unclear on this point. TIA, Dave >> I also tend to believe that the engine differences were internal. For the tail frames, I quote J.M. Bruce form the old B.E.2- 2b Profile : " In the tail assembly there appeared the characteristic ear-shaped rudder that was to remain standard on the many thousands of descendants of the B.E.1. It was made of steel tubing, as were the elevators.....(snip).....The tailplane was of composite construction and was attached externally to the upper surface of the top longerons". From what I remember when I built my B.E.2, the outline of the tailplane was tube, and the ribs and other internal structure were wood. Which WW I Aero are using? Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:22:35 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: B.E. Message-ID: <000d01be18b1$574e9b80$17d690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 2:48 PM Subject: Re: B.E. >... From what I remember when I built my B.E.2, the outline of the >tailplane was tube, and the ribs and other internal structure were wood. >Which WW I Aero are using? >Robert K. No.119, Apr. '88, which reprints four drawings of the -2a from the Dec. 1912 issue of "Aeronautics" (not "Flight" as I mentioned earlier). I also have another drawing of the rudder in another issue showing the tube framing, so I suspected the elevators were similar. Thanks, Robert. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:42:38 PST From: "Edward Swaim" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Warplanes Volumes I and II Message-ID: <19981125204238.6420.qmail@hotmail.com> I've exhausted the pitiful selection of WWI aviation books at local libraries and would like to purchase some basic references. I'm still building cheap kits that are locally available, but I'd like to buy some books that will at least show me things like where the rigging should go so I don't have to guess. I would be ordering by mail, so I wouldn't get a chance to thumb through a book before buying it. Would the Albatros Datafile Special Warplanes Volumes 1 and 2 provide what I'm looking for? Do the volumes cover different years, nationalities, or parts of the alphabet? Thanks! Edward Swaim Little Rock, Arkansas ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:45:37 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: British acft. names possibly even on-topic Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981125154537.006959fc@pop.mindspring.com> Was there a British aircraft nicknamed "Cornwallis' Revenge"? Could his have been the DH-4 "Flaming Coffin"? TIA sp sp nb: 1:48 Curtiss N-9H (Bashing 2 Lindberg JN-4s ala FSM article) nu: 1:72 Revell Morane Saulnier (Fully Rimellized as per article) at: 1:48 Diorama of DH-4s and Liberty engines being uncrated by 649th Aero Supply Squadron. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:05:34 +0100 From: Franco Poloni To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: ipms Italy wwi web page Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971125230534.006cb584@lo.itline.it> Hi give a look http://wwwlo.itline.it/cli/ipmsmi/aerww1.html Franco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:41:35 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ipms Italy wwi web page Message-ID: Franco, Looks good--I like your cross reference to kits of the aircraft listed. Any plans in the works to add profiles or photos? Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:28:21 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Vintage Warbirds Series Message-ID: Greetings! I have one of the books in the Vintage Warbirds Series, and have acquired two others which are coming to me from the U.S. Judging by No.2 - Rimell's "The German Army Air Service" these are very good - loads of well-captioned pics and the authors are certainly heavy hitters. The three I am aware of are: No. 2 - Rimell - German Army Air Service No. 3 - Bruce - Sopwith Fighters No. 6 - Imrie - Fokker Fighters Does anyone either have the entire set or know their names to fill me in on the other titles? ( I need to know what I am shooting for....). Thanks, Dave Zulis ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1312 **********************