WWI Digest 1300 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) roland DII again by "Diego Fernetti" 2) Re: GLENCOE by "David R.L. Laws" 3) Re: FYI MAIL FRAUD by "David R.L. Laws" 4) Re: GLENCOE by David Kinnear 5) Re: GLENCOE by bucky@ptdprolog.net 6) Re: Hannants by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 7) Re: roland DII again (actually C.II) by Eric Fisher 8) Re: FAQ by Allan Wright 9) RE: roland DII again (actually C.II) by "Diego Fernetti" 10) Re: GLENCOE by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: Book price quotes by "Sandy Adam" 12) Re: GLENCOE by "Sandy Adam" 13) Re: Americal Nachtbombengeschwader Camo II ( Zeppelin Staaken by Franco Poloni 14) flimsy decals by mkendix 15) Re: flimsy decals by Bob Pearson 16) RE: Curtiss N-9H rigging by Shane Weier 17) RE: Roland C.II markings / Aviation Awards vol 1 by Shane Weier 18) Re: flimsy decals by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 19) Re: Web Page Additions by KarrArt@aol.com 20) Re: flimsy decals by Modelhound@aol.com 21) Re: flimsy decals by "Mark Shanks" 22) Comparing the Pegasus and Flashback Sopwith LCT's by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 23) Re: Off Topic - Aussie Gladiators by Mick Fauchon 24) Re: GLENCOE by "David R.L. Laws" 25) Book purchase by bucky@ptdprolog.net 26) Copper State Models by Martin Ryan 27) Re: GLENCOE by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Book purchase by Ernest Thomas 29) RE: GLENCOE by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:32:13 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 mailing list" Subject: roland DII again Message-ID: <004d01be12d6$56dedce0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well, I will take some advantage of the recent discussion about scales and because you have all your Roland books at hand, maybe you can help me with this: I want to detail the cockpits of a Roland DII, but I don't know many details of the gunner's tub. He must have had a folding seat, don't he? What would be its shape and size? How this would be attached to the airframe? How would look the rear portion of the tub? Did he have shelves to store the ammo? Sure he did, but where? Maybe you can point me a reference book, or let me know if there's another plane with a similar arrangement. I only have the datafile #49, and there is only front cockpit pics and only a little about the sides of the rear position. If I were a WW1 german pilot, I'd rather dedicate my days taking better detail pictures of the entire plane instead of wasting time throwing bombs, firing bullets or burning alive... Those fritzes were very irresponsable. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:28:38 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: GLENCOE Message-ID: <3652CB85.190E@webtime.com.au> Anyone willing to risk a short potted critique on the following Glencoe offerings: Nieuport 28C Pfalz D III Alb D III I have the Eduards of the latter two - just curious as to whether the Glencoes can be worked up into worthwhile examples. I understand the decals are pretty good anyway though I'd welcome any correction on that belief ! Yours ( I hope not too masochistically ) David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:07:58 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FYI MAIL FRAUD Message-ID: <3653372E.2997@webtime.com.au> David & Carol Fletcher wrote: > > David R.L. Laws wrote: > > "I am an Australian Barrister ( Lawyer a la Rumpole/ Kavanagh ) who > believes he is the victim of a species of ( e-mail ) mail fraud..." > > Uh oh! I'm glad I mailed that Flycatcher - now where did I put the > &^@#$ receipt? ;-) > > Dave Fletcher Egad, an admission AND with no cross-examination .... If only life were always so kind .... david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:24:41 -0800 From: David Kinnear To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: GLENCOE Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981118032440.00974570@danube.cisco.com> I am a true vertigo virgin when it comes to anything but OOB. I did the DIII and had a lot of fun with my little saw, tube of putty, and sandpaper. It was a lot of work, none of the parts fit well, the wings (lower) have no fixed point on the body (shallow holes that don't match up. At the end of a lot of time, I am quite proud (but not enough to waste film). I never detailed anything (no cockpit detail), but after doing this kit, I have become hooked on WWI airplanes and can't wait 'till the end of the semester to get my wee hands on several Eduard's that I have collected. The first, a Pfalz which I can do as Berthold's thanks to a list member that supplied the decals. My point is, the Glencoe kits seem to be good from a learning POV, saying that, they are probably great kits from an expert's POV as well. Beauty being in the eye. At 05:42 AM 11/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone willing to risk a short potted critique on the following Glencoe >offerings: > >Nieuport 28C >Pfalz D III >Alb D III > >I have the Eduards of the latter two - just curious as to whether the >Glencoes can be worked up into worthwhile examples. I understand the >decals are pretty good anyway though I'd welcome any correction on that >belief ! > >Yours ( I hope not too masochistically ) > >David > > > > David Kinnear 'It's not a question of always playing your best move, it's a question of playing the move that's most unpleasant for your opponent.' Jabba the Hutt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:53:29 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: GLENCOE Message-ID: <3652C348.6C5470@ptdprolog.net> David R.L. Laws wrote: Anyone willing to risk a short potted critique on the following Glencoe offerings: Pfalz D III > Finished the Pfalz D-III a month or so ago (and I'll get around to taling > pictures and mailing them to Matt soon ;-) ). Unlike the Albatros, the > pieces fit together nicely. The propeller/hub is a disaster. The hub is > way too small. I used it as is, but anyone with a little ability can > jury-rig a better hub. My decals had been sitting around for over a year. > Don't know if this matters, but they broke apart pretty easily. I used > gloss coat, and no more problems. There is a problem with regard to the > machine guns and their location. The D-III had them mostly buried in the > fuselage, barely sticking out . No real room on the kit without major > changes if you want to do this. I just left the guns off. One last > warning on the decals. The yellow ones look great BUT when placed on the > silver fuselage, they fade. If you have the ability (I don"t) a nice coat > of white where they decal is going to be placed should solce the problem. > Then again, if you are good enough to paint the decal underneath, why > use one in the first place !(Another solution would be to double up the > decals if you have more than one kit. The selections are numerous and > wonderful) HTHMike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:49:04 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hannants Message-ID: >I especially rememeber a time when I asked one of the guys at the counter about french colours from the >extracolor paint range (which are done by them) and the guy answered he knew nothing about it, not making >the slightest effort to help me out. Well I accept that he could know as little as me about what I was asking >but still there are ways of saying things... >Pedro Sounds like he used to work for the Hobby Town here. I was in there one night when a guy came in and asked one of the clerks "I hear you are sponsoring a model contest next weekend, is that true?". The clerk answered "Oh, really? That's news to me.". Little wonder mail order does such a great business. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:15:15 -0800 From: Eric Fisher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: roland DII again (actually C.II) Message-ID: Diego, Probably the reference to get would be: "Roland C.II Cockpits," WWI Aero No. 140, May 1993. Sorry to say, I don't have this one -- but it must still be available from the publisher. HTH, Eric >Well, I will take some advantage of the recent discussion about scales and >because you have all your Roland books at hand, maybe you can help me with >this: I want to detail the cockpits of a Roland DII, but I don't know many >details of the gunner's tub. He must have had a folding seat, don't he? What >would be its shape and size? How this would be attached to the airframe? How >would look the rear portion of the tub? Did he have shelves to store the >ammo? Sure he did, but where? >Maybe you can point me a reference book, or let me know if there's another >plane with a similar arrangement. I only have the datafile #49, and there is >only front cockpit pics and only a little about the sides of the rear >position. >If I were a WW1 german pilot, I'd rather dedicate my days taking better >detail pictures of the entire plane instead of wasting time throwing bombs, >firing bullets or burning alive... Those fritzes were very irresponsable. >D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:32:43 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: FAQ Message-ID: <199811181432.JAA20587@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Unless Al wants to post both versions to the site. Al? Maybe I'll work > on an HTML version... plain text is best for me - don't worry about an html version, I just put the text one in a
 tag block.

-Allan

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:09:56 -0200
From: "Diego Fernetti" 
To: 
Subject: RE: roland DII again (actually C.II)
Message-ID: <007001be12fd$1f883a80$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>


-----Mensaje original-----
De: Eric Fisher 
Para: Multiple recipients of list 
Fecha: Miércoles 18 de Noviembre de 1998 12:19 PM
Asunto: Re: roland DII again (actually C.II)


>Diego,
>
>Probably the reference to get would be: "Roland C.II Cockpits," WWI Aero
>No. 140, May 1993.  Sorry to say, I don't have this one -- but it must
>still be available from the publisher.
>
>HTH, Eric


Thanks Eric, I will find the way to obtain that Aero. And yes, I mean CII.
Sorry for the bad typing.
D.


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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:42:04 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: GLENCOE
Message-ID: 

In a message dated 11/18/98 2:41:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
laws@webtime.com.au writes:

<< Anyone willing to risk a short potted critique on the following Glencoe
 offerings:
 
 Nieuport 28C
 Pfalz D III
 Alb D III
  >>

Nieuport 28- everything but the fuselage is pretty good-short of
scratchbuilding, I don't know what to do about it. The flying surfaces a great
platforms to work with, very little work needed to bring them into perfect
size and shape;nice cowl; decals- roundels are questionable, applicability is
a gamble- will they break up?
Pfalz DIII- it sorta looks like a Pfalz- no real attempt to capture the Pfalz
Pfillet at the wing joint, lotsa work would be needed to bring the entire
forward fuselage up to snuff; The lower wing has an INCORRECT NUMBER of
RIBS!!!!; decals- nice looking but again, I've had a bunch of them break and
shatter
Albatros D III- this kit has been slammed, and with some reason, but if you
treat it as if it were a pre-cut-out vac form and procede from there, it's ok.
soft outline and detail, but that means a lot of time won't have to be spent
removing incorrect stuff. A bad fit in joining the fuselage halves, but
Windsock had a nice solution. You've got shells that you can deal with to your
own level of detailing satisfaction. For some odd reason, the only WW I
Glencoe that I've had complete success with the decals. Oh yeah- the plastic
is weird and rubbery, at least on my examples.
Robert K.

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:57:54 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Book price quotes
Message-ID: <199811181656.QAA17964@beryl.sol.co.uk>

Hang on here guys - I believe that the German Giants has been reissued -
I've seen it recently with one of the new style Putnam coloured
dustwrappers - price was 30GBP so try for it at your local shop - probably
available new at about 45-50USD.
Annoys me coz I paid 40GBP (in a trade) for an old one with the red cover.

The Bruce book seemed well priced although I haven't got the original mail
in front of me - this usually goes for 80-150GBP in UK! although I've seen
the Funderbunk (I think) US reprint for less in US.

Presumably the AH Aces book is the OTHER FMP book and seems about the right
price. It could be the German language one I've got on both kuk Fliks and
Seefliegers - and again seesm about right price.
HTH
Sandy

> << German Giants (P. Grosz & ?) $50 >>
> 
> My book lists (and prices) are all alphabetical, by author, so I cant
help you
> with the other two.... but I had been watching ebay, W.Byrd, UTD and
others
> for months for this one and never saw the German Giants book show up.   
$50
> isn't cheap, but I have heard so many list members speak well of this
book,
> and it never seems to show up in the usual buy/sell places, so I would
grab it
> at $50 and figure it will not depreciate.
> 
> My opinion, anyway....
> 
> Dave Zulis
> 
> ps. - I just received the stuff you sent me today, Riordan.   Thanks!
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:23:03 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam" 
To: 
Subject: Re: GLENCOE
Message-ID: <199811181721.RAA19224@beryl.sol.co.uk>

> Anyone willing to risk a short potted critique on the following Glencoe
> offerings:
> 
> Nieuport 28C
> Pfalz D III
Both ex-Aurora and as such great value-for-money basic kits. Terrific
decals, as has the SPAD XIII (also ex-Aurora). They are superceded by Blue
Max, Eduard and DML versions of each - but at much higher prices. Put in a
little work and they make nice models.
Although - I should point out that I bought a box of Eduard Sale kits from
Ivan last month which worked out at under 30GBP for 9 kits including
postage - this is silly money - ie you can have the excellent Eduard Pfalz
even cheaper than the Glencoe one!

> Alb D III
Hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah! Tomy meets Mr Bendy-Toy makes
a plastic kit!
Sandy

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:53:47 +0100
From: Franco Poloni 
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Americal Nachtbombengeschwader Camo II ( Zeppelin Staaken
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971118215347.006b9ca4@lo.itline.it>

At 20.18 17/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>For those of you awaiting your Contrail Staakens, 

uh? is this beast still available?????
where?

Franco 

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:44:30 -0500 (EST)
From: mkendix 
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: flimsy decals
Message-ID: 

Can I have some advice on how to deal with decals that fall to pieces?  
The decals for the IM disintegrated in the bowl of tepid water and I am 
concerned about other manufacturers' decals (How is Eduard's?).  Is there 
a non-airbrush method one can use; for example, something that comes in a 
spray can or something that can be brushed on?

One kind person has already given me a suggestion (I filed it somewhere 
and cannot recall off the top of my head what it was).

Michael

mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu


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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:00:56 -0800
From: Bob Pearson 
To: WW1 Mailing list 
Subject: Re: flimsy decals
Message-ID: <22005655200146@KAIEN.COM>


Perhaps a can of Testors Glosscote?

Bob

----------
> From: mkendix 
> To: Multiple recipients of list 
> Subject: flimsy decals
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:52:18 -0500 (EST)
> 
> Can I have some advice on how to deal with decals that fall to pieces?  
> The decals for the IM disintegrated in the bowl of tepid water and I am 
> concerned about other manufacturers' decals (How is Eduard's?).  Is there 
> a non-airbrush method one can use; for example, something that comes in a 
> spray can or something that can be brushed on?
> 
> One kind person has already given me a suggestion (I filed it somewhere 
> and cannot recall off the top of my head what it was).
> 
> Michael
> 
> mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu
> 


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:03:29 +1000
From: Shane Weier 
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" 
Subject: RE: Curtiss N-9H rigging
Message-ID: 

Robert says:

> >Looking at a few photos whilst researsching something else, 
> >several pics show that all flying wires were doubled , 
> >but not the landing  wires.

Steve replies:

> Dave Vosburgh  sent me a photo of an R-9 with only the 
> upper outboard to lower inboard wires  doubled.

We may have a misunderstanding of terms here. Both of you are talking
about the same thing.

"Flying wires" start at a point inboard and lower and end outboard and
upper. They are called flying wires because they take the strain while
the aircraft is airborne.

"Landing wires" start at a point inboard and upper and end outboard and
lower.  Any THEY take the strain when the aircraft has....landed !

It is common to have doubled flying and single landing wires. A well
known Bristol two seater of my recent acquaintance was rigged in this
fashion.

Shane

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:08:20 +1000
From: Shane Weier 
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" 
Subject: RE: Roland C.II  markings / Aviation Awards vol 1
Message-ID: 

Robert,


> I think by now Shane is loosing his initial burst of Rolandic 
> enthusiasm. 

No, no. Still enthusiastic about the Roland though the only one I have
is the old and beloved 1/72 Airfix job. rather sorry to discover that
the scheme is probably bovine excreta though.

> I think Mueller must have been a secret project investigating 
> the possible equiping of aviators with bat ears!

Rubbish.  Early application of canards


Shane

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:22:18 -0600
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" 
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: flimsy decals
Message-ID: 

> Can I have some advice on how to deal with decals that fall to pieces?  
> The decals for the IM disintegrated in the bowl of tepid water and I am 
> concerned about other manufacturers' decals (How is Eduard's?).

I would use Super Scale Decal Film as an overcoat.  You can brush it on if you have a *very* clean brush, and don't lay a real heavy coat on.

Paul A. Schwartzkopf


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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:06:21 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Web Page Additions
Message-ID: <45bad6a4.365344dd@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/16/98 8:36:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes:

<< My cup runneth over!
 There are two new beautiful pages on the web site. Both are contributions
 of list members' models. Enjoy!
St. Louis Jasta (modelers group): http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/StLouis/
 Paul Schwartzkopf's Models: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Schwartzkopf/
 
 -Allan >>

Finally got some time to check these images- good stuff. Sometimes it's great
to just look at great work with out a lot of text and how-to stuff- just revel
in the work!
Robert K.

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:22:42 EST
From: Modelhound@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: flimsy decals
Message-ID: <7d2963b.365348b2@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/18/98 1:55:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu writes:

<< Can I have some advice on how to deal with decals that fall to pieces?  
 The decals for the IM disintegrated in the bowl of tepid water and I am 
 concerned about other manufacturers' decals (How is Eduard's?).  Is there 
 a non-airbrush method one can use; for example, something that comes in a 
 spray can or something that can be brushed on? >>

I write:

Using a soft wide brush, put a layer of Micro Decal Film, available where
Microscale products are sold, over the decal while it is still on the backing
paper.  Clean your brush with warm soapy water.  Let the film dry for 15
minutes.   Trim the excess clear, not too close, around the image and apply as
usual.   The liquid decal film is just the same stuff that is found under the
color parts of the decal.
Microset and Microsol can still be used to good advantage.  Some European
decal manufacturers use an inferior carrier film that breaks apart in water.
The Micro Liquid Decal Film will cure your decals ills.

Mike

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:08:26 -0700
From: "Mark Shanks" 
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: flimsy decals
Message-ID: <9811182307.AA08842@fltdyn.com>

Mike the Modelhound sayeth:

> Some European
> decal manufacturers use an inferior carrier film that breaks apart in water.

If this is indeed true, do these European modelers use something 
other than good old H20, or are they satisfied with applying the 
shards of decals? I'm not trying to be a wiseass, but what the #$%^??

I've heard lots o' things bad about Propagteam and Hi-Decal. I've 
used both, and while less forgiving than Aeromaster or 
Super/Microscale, they don't break apart in water. Ancient, 
dessicated Microscales used to do that - I finally pitched 'em.

Heaven knows what those old ABT and Modeldecal sheets will do....

Mark
mshanks@fltdyn.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:17:48 -0600
From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner)
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Comparing the Pegasus and Flashback Sopwith LCT's
Message-ID: <19981118.171749.-879263.1.mbittner@juno.com>

Some parts of the Pegasus kit are much nicer.  The fuselage exterior 
detail is finer, especially in the forward fuselage area.  The Flashback
kit 
is a little “soft” in this area, while the Pegasus is quite petite.  Some
of 
the metal parts that come with the Pegasus are nice - especially the cowl

- but the Flashback’s engines are much nicer.  The Pegasus wings - while 
providing a nice representation of the rib “tapes” - are much thicker
than 
the Flashback wings, so all detail would be lost on the Pegasus due to 
sanding.  Plus, the Pegasus upper wing is molded in an extremely hard, 
brittle clear plastic.

The Pegasus cockpit, though, is seriously lacking.  The only items 
Pegasus provides are two wicker, white metal seats.  No floor, and 
nothing else.  Plus, the cockpit sides are extremely thick and will need
to 
be thinned.  Another item to keep into consideration is the Pegasus kit 
builds into only the double-seat “fighter” or “reconnaissance (1.A 2 in 
French terms).  There are no options to build this into any other
variant.

If you have a Pegasus kit, fear not and please build it.  However, first
buy 
a Flashback kit.  Once you finish the Flashback kit using the “solid” 
upper wing - or whatever wing you decide - use the other upper wing on 
the Pegasus and just thin the Pegasus lower wings.  Plus you can use the 
Flashback cockpit pieces as “masters” for the Pegasus.

Here’s my “plan” for the Pegasus kit:  use the “other” Flashback upper 
wing.  Photocopy the photoetch and use this as masters for scratchbuilt 
parts for the Pegasus.  Since I plan on building the Flashback into a 
French bird, I’ll use the “other parts” (non-ring parts) of the photoetch

Scarf ring on the Pegasus kit (the Pegasus kit comes with a white metal 
Scarf ring).  Thin the Pegasus cockpit sides.  Use the Flashback struts
as 
“masters” for scratchbuilt Pegasus struts (except for the landing gear 
struts which are supplied by Pegasus as white metal).  Stick with the 
Pegasus engine (since I have “other plans” for the “other” Flashback 
Clerget).

The two most “difficult” parts to this plan is the thinning of the
cockpit 
walls, and the thinning of the lower wings (only since I have to replace 
the ribs).

So, anybody want me to compare the Flashback with the Merlin? :-)


Matt Bittner

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:34:06 +1100 (EST)
From: Mick Fauchon 
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Cc: Multiple recipients of list 
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Aussie Gladiators
Message-ID: 



	Dave,


> Right, Mate (which rhyme in Australian don't they?)

	Aahhhh, nope. You've been listening to the wrong Aussies, but I can
understand how you could get that imimpression 80)

> I'll jump the gun a
> bit here - here's a "jpg" file of the Gladiator.  The photo wasn't very
> big, but it's better than nothing. 

	Definitely Middle-stone, Dark-earth/azure-blue. OK, thanks, I can
discount that one.


> so it won't be state of the art...).  The aircraft transferred from 112
> Squadron may be easier to trace.  I have the "Monographie Lotnicze
> No.24" on the Gladiator and it has two photo's taken at Sollum;
> unfortunately, neither are usable from a modelling standpoint.  One
> shows six Gladiators airborne from head-on (and it looks like they all
> have two-bladed Watts propellers) -

	Ah, the still from the film-clip of them coming in over one of 3Sqn's
trucks. Yep, pretty useless from our point-of-view. At one time I almost 
convinced myself that you could tell that they were b/w [maybe b/aluminium?]
undersides, but I'm not prepared to be dogmatic about that.

 nobody said everything would be easy
> - and one in the background behind three pilots also appears to have a
> Watts propeller - but nothing else is visible.

	Don't you hate it when they stand around in front of all the detail
we need to know!

> are noted as transferred from 112 Squadron; it may be a pirated
> translation of the Air Pictorial article anyway!

	Wouldn't surprise me.

  After, all who'd catch
> 'em?  If there is anything else I can do to assist, let me know.

	Thanks for your efforts. Ill just keep plugging along......


								Cheers,

								Mick.



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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:27:19 +0000
From: "David R.L. Laws" 
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: GLENCOE
Message-ID: <3653F286.3FA1@webtime.com.au>

KarrArt@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 11/18/98 2:41:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> laws@webtime.com.au writes:
> 
> << Anyone willing to risk a short potted critique on the following Glencoe offerings:
> 
>  Nieuport 28C
>  Pfalz D III
>  Alb D III
>   >>
> 
> Nieuport 28- everything but the fuselage is pretty good-short of
> scratchbuilding, I don't know what to do about it. The flying surfaces a great platforms to work with, very little work needed to bring them into perfect size and shape;nice cowl; decals- roundels are questionable, applicability is a gamble- will they break up?

Well, this looks like a go-er

> Pfalz DIII- it sorta looks like a Pfalz- no real attempt to capture the Pfalz Pfillet at the wing joint, lotsa work would be needed to bring the entire forward fuselage up to snuff; The lower wing has an INCORRECT NUMBER of RIBS!!!!; decals- nice looking but again, I've had a bunch of them break and shatter

This beasty was based on the Wylam drawings wasn't it That is to say
with the all-too-shallow lower forward profile which Harry Woodman was
feign to lament so loudly 

Sad about the decals the selection looks jolly good - Reactions and
experiences seem to be very mixed so I won't risk it

As to the Alb D III Think I've got all the " flamers " I need right now
so appreciate the warning here ...

Many thanks to everyone who responded to this enquiry

david
> Robert K.

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:56:42 -0500
From: bucky@ptdprolog.net
To: Multiple recipients of list 
Subject: Book purchase
Message-ID: <36536CCA.58136AEE@ptdprolog.net>

    Just picked up a copy of the 1991 Reprint of Naval Aeronautics by a
guy named Henry Woodhouse. Any comments/info on the book?
Mike Muth


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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:15:52 -0700
From: Martin Ryan 
To: WWI List 
Subject: Copper State Models
Message-ID: <36537148.A4963AAA@ix.netcom.com>

For those members of the list that are interested in 1/48th scale,
Copper State will be releasing their H-B W12 around the end of this
month/beginning of December; an SE 5 and Sopwith Snipe around the end of
December/beginning of January. Eric also said that after the SE 5 and
Snipe would be a Sopwith Dolphin.  He also started a line of some 1/28th
scale decals.  The first one up is Jacobs devilheaded Dr.I  and I know
he has Voss's F.I on the drawing board along with Rickenbacker's Spad
XIII.


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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 20:00:01 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: GLENCOE
Message-ID: <68e39d23.36536d91@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/18/98 4:14:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
laws@webtime.com.au writes:

<< > Pfalz DIII- it sorta looks like a Pfalz- no real attempt to capture the
Pfalz Pfillet at the wing joint, lotsa work would be needed to bring the
entire forward fuselage up to snuff; The lower wing has an INCORRECT NUMBER of
RIBS!!!!; decals- nice looking but again, I've had a bunch of them break and
shatter
 
 This beasty was based on the Wylam drawings wasn't it That is to say
 with the all-too-shallow lower forward profile which Harry Woodman was
 feign to lament so loudly 
  >>

Yep- another Wylam Wonder.'Tis a strange thing, I still kinda like the old
kit. It has.....potential. The old Tom' Modelworks vac form had it's lower
wing (apparantly) sucked right down over an old Aurora part. This is when I
learned that the Lindberg Jenny has the same rib spacing as a Pfalz, so I
hacked a more accurate piece from this source. Just cut the Pfalz wing right
out of the middle, thinned down a new leading edge, and added half ribs from
some long forgotten substance. For all the shape-shifting necessary on the
Glencoe-Aurora Pfalz pfuselage, it still could be accomplished in a long
Saturday afternoon's modeling session.
Maybe I look at some of these kits with a twisted scratchbuilder's brain,
because they may be dogs by today's standards, but to me I see stuff that
makes me shout " yippee, there's another little bit of work I don't have to do
all by myself ". I don't mind making my own struts and interior detail, or
even engines and usually even the oldest and least accurate kits at least give
one some symetrical hunk of plastic that can serve as an armature. The Glencoe
Albatros, to me, is a starting point. The outline isn't bad. To me the kit's
value is in its fuselage halves and wings- accurately shaped plastic bits
ready to pleasure with detail and fine tuning. The Glencoe could be brought up
to snuff with the usual wheels, engine and gun bits.( or the fiddly items
could be .....scratch built!)
Robert K. 

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:21:06 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas 
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Book purchase
Message-ID: <36537282.1FCD@bellsouth.net>

bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote:
> 
>     Just picked up a copy of the 1991 Reprint of Naval Aeronautics by a
> guy named Henry Woodhouse. Any comments/info on the book?
> Mike Muth

Iirc, it's an excellent book.
E.

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:45:13 +1000
From: Shane Weier 
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" 
Subject: RE: GLENCOE
Message-ID: 

Robert,
> Maybe I look at some of these kits with a twisted 
> scratchbuilder's brain,

Naw, that's how I look at them too.

> because they may be dogs by today's standards, but to me I 
> see stuff that
> makes me shout " yippee, there's another little bit of work I 
> don't have to do
> all by myself ". 

Yes, yes, YEEESSSSSS..

> I don't mind making my own struts and 
> interior detail, or
> even engines and usually even the oldest and least accurate 
> kits at least give
> one some symetrical hunk of plastic that can serve as an 
> armature.

Except the Glencoe Albatros which has asymetric fuselage halves !


> The Glencoe
> Albatros, to me, is a starting point. The outline isn't bad. 
> To me the kit's
> value is in its fuselage halves and wings- accurately shaped 
> plastic bits
> ready to pleasure with detail and fine tuning. 

..and the wings don't have raised ribs underneath for you to sand off -
which makes them more accurate than almost every other WW1 kit.

> The Glencoe 
> could be brought up
> to snuff with the usual wheels, engine and gun bits.( or the 
> fiddly items
> could be .....scratch built!)

Hehe.  I can see the others frowning and spelling that out.

S-c-r-a-t-c-h......."Now what the heck do you reckon he's a talking
about....?"

Shane
(Who would be assiduously building a KIT if this house moving business
hadn't suddenly turned into a major disaster. Modelling, whats that?)

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