WWI Digest 1289 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Rememberance Day - RES IPSA LOQUITUR by David Kinnear 2) Re: List members addresses by "David Vosburgh" 3) Re: List members addresses by r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) 4) Re: Rememberance Day - RES IPSA LOQUITUR by "David R.L. Laws" 5) RE: New Website by Shane Weier 6) Re: List Members Addresses by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: List Members Addresses by "Lee Mensinger" 8) RE: Eduard plans by Mike Dicianna 9) Re: W.29 blue by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re: ODP: List members addresses , A little Alb. D.III Help by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 11) 11/11/1918 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 12) Re: Toko Snipe notes correction by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 13) Re: List Members Addresses by Bill Bacon 14) Shane the Mighty by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Aeroskin E III by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: List Members Addresses by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re: List members addresses by REwing@aol.com 18) Re: Rememberance Day - RES IPSA LOQUITUR by "Sandy Adam" 19) Re: W.29 blue by "David Vosburgh" 20) Re: W.29 blue by Bob Pearson 21) Re: List Member Addresses by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) 22) Re: List Member Addresses by hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de 23) 11/11@11/1918 by bucky@ptdprolog.net 24) Re: List Member Addresses by Ernest Thomas 25) Re: 11/11@11/1918 by Bob Pearson 26) Re: 11/11@11/1918 by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 27) Re: 11/11@11/1918 by Ernest Thomas 28) Re: 11/11@11/1918 by "David R.L. Laws" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:22:07 -0800 From: David Kinnear To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Rememberance Day - RES IPSA LOQUITUR Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981110192206.00981c60@danube.cisco.com> Shane, My tongue was firmly in my cheek when the original mail went out. I do believe that you brought up an interesting point about history when you pointed out that "Australian, Canadian and US histories one would think that all the finest generals came from those countries" in that, many times, depending on the point of view of the historian comes the history. This is completely natural in that projects start with expectations and somehow take lives of their own which conclude with the original expectation. On a more somber note, Here's to the dead on all sides David At 09:48 PM 11/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >David (s) > >> Are you alluding that the upper crust of English society was >> not suited to leading men? >> Or, that there was no real thought into what the cost, in >> lives, was in comparison to results achieved? >> > >This is neither true, nor in actual agreement with the written >histories. > >Many of them were fine leaders, but when WW1 started none had fought a >20th century war yet. It took time to discover what worked and what did >not. Reading Australian, Canadian and US histories one would think that >all the finest generals came from those countries, and that the answers >to the new problems were solved by them alone. > >With all due deference to Monash, my countryman and one of the great >soldiers of this century, there were several British generals of *his* >generations who had similar ideas and the personal drive and nous to >successfully apply them. > >BUT... by the time the answers started to be developed (and they >included technical ones like armour, better artillery control and better >aircraft) the British Army, still fighting as bravely as on the first >day, had sacrificed a terrible proportion of its best troops. The >Australians and Canadians had the benefit of *relative* freshness, >though that had reached its end by Nov 1918, and most of the US troops >were literally right off the boat. No wonder the late war generals could >apply the new ideas successfully (and did) > >Iam still proud of the unbettered record of our forces, but not willing >to blacken the records of brave and skillful men with broad >generalisations. > >Shane > > David Kinnear Hardware EngiBuckabuckabuckabuckabuckabuckabuckabuckabaaaaaa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:26:04 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI M.M.L." Subject: Re: List members addresses Message-ID: <00b501be0d23$04775b20$2e7433cf@Pvosburg> Checking in from Egremont, high in the chilly & wind-swept South-West of Massachusetts, guarding the passes from N'Yawk State. Still reeling from starting Outlook tonight and finding 64 messages to download... D.V. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:37:28 EST From: r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List members addresses Message-ID: <19981110.193658.2127.0.r_niles@juno.com> On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:49:26 -0500 (EST) Eric Fisher writes: >El Dorado Hills, Calif; just east of Sacramento -- in the foothills of >the >Sierra Nevada. (And a very long way to the closest decent model >shop.) > Sacramento California. About 45 minutes from Eric, (meeting tomorrow night Eric) about 9 miles from Rick Ewing,(meeting tomorrow night Rick),and about 45 miles in the other direction from Stockton Ca. And, about 20 minutes from the best Hobby shop in the area. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles...switching to guns. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:57:22 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rememberance Day - RES IPSA LOQUITUR Message-ID: <3649979C.2B2E@webtime.com.au> Shane Weier wrote: not willing to blacken the records of brave and skillful men with broad generalisations. > > Shane Nor was I - Never a fan of the " nugget " ( Boot polish ) approach However, many of the lessons of which you speak had already been experienced but not properly understood or learned in a different place and on a smaller scale ... in South Africa - At all events the proof of the raw competance of Australian generalship in BOTH the strategic and tactical sense, and outside the context of the " new " trench/ mechanised warfare was still shown in Palestine My remarks were directed more to the narrow minded elitistism which dictated the heresy that " colonials " whether ANZACS or ( for that matter ) US troops (!) were born [sic] to be led and that they were better led by persons other than their own country-men No " blame " can be attributed against 18 and 19 ex Etonian/ Harrovian etc... subultans for obeying criminally stupid Orders and throwing their own lives and the lives of the men whom they led ( with such shockingly wasted bravery ) away ( sword in hand ) against machine guns. Equally, military skill was never and is not the province of " class " It is true that conventional thinking changed rapidly with the full development of trench warfare - Indeed it may rightly be said that many of these changes ***and the pleading crys for change ***came from the senior Non-Com and Junior Officer ranks long before the general staff realised or appreciated or were prepared to seriously address what was going wrong - But at the same time men such as Monash were first of those ***in position to do any effective about it**** ( not to forget that Monash's assumption of command did not cone by way of the most gracious of Imperial concessions ) to place the value of men's lives before the lunatic criminality of the theory of " victory by attrition " which had earlier held sway. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:16:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New Website Message-ID: Graham adds: > > May I recommend this site to you and the links page? > > http://letadla.pinknet.cz/1sv/ > I wonder where he got the colourful artwork? Pour le Merite in the upper right is no great surprise but the wings in the lower left are ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:30:09 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List Members Addresses Message-ID: In a message dated 11/10/98 4:57:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, wbacon@netjava.net writes: << Time to ring on from Canyon, Texas. Twenty miles south of Amarillo. Home of Palo Duro Canyon and some of the world's best overall weather. No beaches, no hobby shops and right in the center of the finest skiing, 300 miles in any direction. Today is the 223rd birthday of the Best of the Best, the United States Marine Corps. Cheers, Bill B.>> I spent a month one morning driving through fog going from Amarillo to Vega! But, forget all the fancy hotels and resorts in the world, my idea of a dream vacation is a week in the Travel Lodge East in Amarillo, watching cartoons and only leaving the room to walk across the parking lot to the best Mexican restaurant I've ever been to! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:08:21 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List Members Addresses Message-ID: <36491BC4.6AE657FA@wireweb.net> Robert, Been there, done that. And it is pretty good stuff. The restaurant near the hospital on the north side of I-40 as you come into Amarillo was a great place to eat breakfast. Unfortunately there were no WW I or WW II modelers around to talk to. Lee KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/10/98 4:57:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, > wbacon@netjava.net writes: > > << Time to ring on from Canyon, Texas. Twenty miles south of Amarillo. > Home of Palo Duro Canyon and some of the world's best overall weather. > No beaches, no hobby shops and right in the center of the finest skiing, > 300 miles in any direction. Today is the 223rd birthday of the Best of > the Best, the United States Marine Corps. > > Cheers, > > Bill B.>> > > I spent a month one morning driving through fog going from Amarillo to Vega! > But, forget all the fancy hotels and resorts in the world, my idea of a dream > vacation is a week in the Travel Lodge East in Amarillo, watching cartoons and > only leaving the room to walk across the parking lot to the best Mexican > restaurant I've ever been to! > Robert K. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:15:41 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Eduard plans Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981110211541.007109b4@dnc.net> At 09:52 PM 11/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >concerning albatri d.III (OEFFAG), what about the "Hit Kit" line from >poland? the squadron mail order blurbs of "for experienced modelers" and >"fantastic photoetched quality, beautiful decals and excellent detail" >COULD be interpreted in a variety of ways. > >Picked up the D.III(Offag) Ser.53/153 about a weekago. For the money, lots of goodies. Photoetched parts, extensive decals, (two sheets of "?sworls?) in a mustard yellow color. The quality of the moulding is about like an older Eduard kit or one from Merlin. Heavy detail, but it's there. Have not got into the research on the Offag style of Albatri yet but it is interesting. Overall, Kit has some definate possibilities....but hey, kids, dont try this one at home....we are trained professionals!!! Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:26:21 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: W.29 blue Message-ID: <199811110526.VAA26260@ednet1.orednet.org> Tom writes >Hello Group! > >I have just bought Flashback's Hansa Brandenburg W.29. Those birds >were mainly blue with honeycomb lozenge on upper surfaces. But what >type of blue should I use as a basic colour? Was it blue or blue-grey >rather? (I prefer Testors enamels but Humbrol reference would be >excellent). I have here a reference to a German order B. Nr. F5952 on "Special Conditions Concerning Seaplanes, January, 1916" and supplemented by "Supplemental Order B. Nr. 5952, March 28, 1917" which provided that the lozenge fabric is to be applied, "to all upper surfaces: upper wing, fuselage, floats and tailplane. All side surfaces of the fuselage, floats, rudder and tail fin were painted grey-blue. The undersurfaces were to be kept in a light grey color excluding the wings which remained in the original clear-doped linen." This is a little before the time of the W.29 but Rimmell sez orders were still in effect at the time of the W.29. It sounds like the supposition that they were "mainly blue" would be incorrect. Rather, it seems like there were THREE colors - blue-grey on the sides of the fuselage and floats, light grey on the bottoms of the fuselage and floats, and clear doped linen on the under surfaces of the wings. In Windsock Vol 5, No 2, Rimmell gives the grey-blue as Methuen 19C2. The paint chip included is a definite bluish-grey which shades considerably towards the lilac or violet. Rimmell gives W.29 No. 2532 clear-doped linen undersurfaces to the wings and tailplane in an accompanying illustration. He does note, however, that variations of the standard paint scheme existed. Hope that helps and doesn't unduly complicate yer life. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:42:55 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ODP: List members addresses , A little Alb. D.III Help Message-ID: <199811110542.VAA04599@ednet1.orednet.org> Jim Pliml writes: >To put this back on topic.Does anyone have any references for markings on >an early Alb. DIII. I hate to do one out of the box. Also anybody notice >the aileron rigging looks like a D.V ? You mean the control wires? They come from the lower wing, just outboard of and roughly inline with the forward strut. One attaches at about mid-point on the aileron while the other goes through the upper wing just forward of the attachment point for the rear strut. Cheers and all, from Portland, Oregon. -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:56:19 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 11/11/1918 Message-ID: <199811110556.VAA08110@ednet1.orednet.org> "C" Form Army form C.2123 (in books of 100) MESSAGES AND SIGNALS. No. of message______ _____________________________________________________________________ Prefix: 10 Code:0717 Words:57 | Received | Sent or sent out L s d | From: MCO | At:____________ Charges to colleet: | By: Tice | ______________________________|____________| To:____________ Service instructions: | Urgent Operation Priority | By:____________ ___________________________________________|_________________________ Handed in at: ECO Office: 0717 m. Received: 0735 m. _____________________________________________________________________ | TO | 5th Corps H. Arty. ____|________________________________________________________________ *Sender's Number | Day of Month |In reply to Number| G 190 | 11 | | AAA ___________________|________________|__________________|_____________ Hostilities will cease at 1100 hours today November 11th aaa Defensive precautions will be maintained aaa There will be no intercourse of any description with enemy aaa Moves ordered in 5th Corps order No. 241 will take place aaa Ack. aaa Added list A. less Army and flank Corps _____________________________________________________________________ From | 5th Corps | Place & Time | 0715 hours _______________|_____________________________________________________ * This line should be erased if not required. _____________________________________________________________________ Armistice message transmitted by 5th Corps, US Army, the morning of November 11, 1918. Misspelling of "collect" as in original printed form. -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:03:43 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toko Snipe notes correction Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981110230343.006d7a24@mail> At 08:25 PM 10/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >Charles Hart was good enough to enlighten me as to the hazards of taking >the datafiles as gospel: > >"I take it that you are using the C. Owers Datafile plans. The kit >fuselage is too long if one takes it on faith that the drawings are >dimensionally correct. They aren't. I checked them, and the kit >against published dimensions , found in period drawings (in the >Datafile, ironically). Owers got it wrong. Fuselage is less than 2 mm >too long against original's length. Check the forthcoming Chandelle for >more comments." > >I compared the Toko fuselage to copied P. L. Gray drawings from the >Aircraft Airchive book and found that Mr. Hart is a much more reliable >source of info than I am. However, I did warn you to choose your >corrections carefully! So don't saw the end off your Toko Snipe; its >small enough as it is! > >Apologies, > >Riordan > >P.S. AFAICT, Vickers jackets are wrong (coarsely crenulated). > Once again, a lesson in why not to rely on any drawings as gospel truth, to use them only as guides, and to always check out photos (although even those might distort shapes and proportions). I'm glad to hear this; it means I won't hesitate to pick up one of these kits the next time I see one (for the record, the guy at the only shop in town to regularly stock Toko says that he can't keep Snipes in stock; they go as soon as he prices them and puts them on the shelf). Dane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:36:41 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List Members Addresses Message-ID: <36493078.4B37CFE4@netjava.net> Lee, Robert and any others, The phone number is (806) 655-7213 any time you are in my area. Thanks for the kind words of my area. We do have some fine food in a very relaxed atmosphere. Cheers, Bill B. Lee Mensinger wrote: > Robert, > Been there, done that. And it is pretty good stuff. The restaurant near the > hospital on the north side of I-40 as you come into Amarillo was a great place to > eat breakfast. Unfortunately there were no WW I or WW II modelers around to talk > to. Lee > > KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/10/98 4:57:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > wbacon@netjava.net writes: > > > > << Time to ring on from Canyon, Texas. Twenty miles south of Amarillo. > > Home of Palo Duro Canyon and some of the world's best overall weather. > > No beaches, no hobby shops and right in the center of the finest skiing, > > 300 miles in any direction. Today is the 223rd birthday of the Best of > > the Best, the United States Marine Corps. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bill B.>> > > > > I spent a month one morning driving through fog going from Amarillo to Vega! > > But, forget all the fancy hotels and resorts in the world, my idea of a dream > > vacation is a week in the Travel Lodge East in Amarillo, watching cartoons and > > only leaving the room to walk across the parking lot to the best Mexican > > restaurant I've ever been to! > > Robert K. > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:43:30 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Shane the Mighty Message-ID: <7d7be874.36493212@aol.com> Just though that I'd pass it along to all you dear list folk that the old smear about our list has surfaced again on RMS, and our dear beloved St. Shane of the Brisfit has been valiantly defending our honor! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:43:29 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Aeroskin E III Message-ID: <74ec8f63.36493211@aol.com> Well, I went to a collector's sale on Sunday, and found a few gems. Mostly old cheap kits good for parts, and the usual assortment of cheap old magazines, but I did manage to get my hands on an old Renwall Aeroskin 1/48 Immelmann Fokker E III. This one was $10 because the box was kinda chewed up, but it was complete. This was one kit I never had so I just bought it to relieve an old childhood yearning. After examining it, I'm not sure why it's been so maligned through the years. The wings have good outline and shape, being a little long outboard of the last rib, but this would be easy to bring into the correct shape and size. The chord is right on.Thin down the trailing edge a bit and a great wing will result. The fuselage is not bad in shape and a little nipping and tucking here and there would bring it into perfect 1/48. Dress this thing up with a few aftermarket goodies and it would hold it's own with any modern kit. It would be much easier than wrestling with a vac-form. I should also mention that one might want to supply one's own tissue for the covering because the stuff that's included is a bit too dark to my eye. Oh yeah, the pilot appears to be 1/72! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:02:56 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List Members Addresses Message-ID: <638d3e6c.364936a0@aol.com> In a message dated 11/10/98 10:44:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, wbacon@netjava.net writes: << Lee, Robert and any others, The phone number is (806) 655-7213 any time you are in my area. Thanks for the kind words of my area. We do have some fine food in a very relaxed atmosphere. Cheers, Bill B. >> Thanks! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:03:34 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List members addresses Message-ID: <45a4216e.364936c6@aol.com> Hello All, I live in Elk Grove, CA, just south of Sacramento and Russ Niles (whose daughter spent some time in my summer school class). Eric Fisher, who I had to meet in Arizona, is about an hour away in the foothills. I'm about a half- hour from the nicest and cutest hobby shop owner, and she can get you just about anything you want!! -Rick- Russ Niles wrote: << Sacramento California. About 45 minutes from Eric, (meeting tomorrow night Eric) about 9 miles from Rick Ewing,(meeting tomorrow night Rick),and about 45 miles in the other direction from Stockton Ca. And, about 20 minutes from the best Hobby shop in the area. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:19:40 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Rememberance Day - RES IPSA LOQUITUR Message-ID: <199811111019.KAA22196@beryl.sol.co.uk> A lot of truth in what David and Shane both say. Much Radio and TV coverage here over the past week on WW1 - some excellent stuff and much highlighting the revisionism of the view of "Lions led by Donkeys". Much of this is true - The BEF was "a contemptibly small force" in 1914 and lost most of its able officers who would have moved into experienced advisory or strategic positions later in the war. In fact the handling and effect of the BEF in 1914 came as a great shock to the Germans. But the static lines was a new form of warfare where men were pitted against the full industrial capacity of the weapons manufacturers and the generals didn't know what to do about it. One historian pointed out that it was the war where destructive power far outweighed communications - had small portable radios been available, there would have been a far readier understanding of what was happening during an attack. BUT The thing you Aussies and Yanks can be eternally grateful for is that you had independent control of your own men - and appeared, under men like Monash, to care for their wellbeing as much as was possible. Unfortunately my grandfathers and great uncles were under English control and "the devils in skirts" paid a terrible price. I wonder if Shane has comparative figures for Scottish casualties - I must see if I have it somewhere. ANYWAY, the BUT is because- I cannot forgive the British Donkeys for allowing so many sick and frightened soldiers to be executed for cowardice under Haig's signature. Haig wanted to execute some diggers too but the Australians would not let him Only this year has a pardon been granted for all the UK men who died at the firing squad and only this year have relatives been allowed to lay flowers at their graves as part of the official ceremonies. Much news coverage here of individual cases and they make heartbreaking reading - men who were patently shell-shocked and concussed were led out to the firing post after Haig put the single word "confirmed" on the execution order. For these acts alone may Butcher Haig rot in hell. Sandy PS Do you guys get "Blackadder" on the box? BBC has been re-running the last series with Blackadder and Baldrick in the Trenches with it timed to coincide with 11/11/98 at the end when Rowan Atlkinson and Tony Robinson suddenly disappear and are replaced by poppies - laughter suddenly becomes a lump in the throat. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:31:49 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: W.29 blue Message-ID: <002801be0d66$f13bb580$0a7433cf@Pvosburg> Bill & Tom: I have to confess I've been out of the colors/hex fabric controversey loop for quite a while, but last I knew, Dan Abbot had an article in WWI Aero (No.134, Nov. '91) on the 3-color Naval pattern hex in which (in typically exhaustive fashion) he arrives at Methuen color equivalents of: Grey-blue/20E3 (aprox. FS35164 but less blue) Grey-brown/6E4 (aprox. FS20140 but less red) Grey-violet/13E3 (aprox FS37144 + a touch of yellow) ...for the polygon colors. The FS equivalents are mine, based on a quick attempt at matching in a friend's relatively dark garret with his borrowed Methuen handbook while three kids sat patiently waiting for Dad to take them for sodas. I just picked up the MPM W.29 last month... can anyone bring me up to speed on why DSNs info seems to have been ignored/superseded? Why have we gone back to the Munson blue/blue/blue scheme? Was there more than one Naval 3-color pattern? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bill Shatzer To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 4:28 AM Subject: Re: W.29 blue > > > >Tom writes > >>Hello Group! >> >>I have just bought Flashback's Hansa Brandenburg W.29. Those birds .... Bill writes:B >Rimmell gives W.29 No. 2532 clear-doped linen undersurfaces to the >wings and tailplane in an accompanying illustration. He does note, >however, that variations of the standard paint scheme existed. > >Hope that helps and doesn't unduly complicate yer life. > >Cheers and all, > > >-- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." > -Bob Dylan- > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:46:50 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: W.29 blue Message-ID: <11465034701335@KAIEN.COM> David, There are two naval hex patterns. One in blue, one in brown. According to the W.12 Datafile the blue pattern is... Light grey blue 19C2 Light blue 22C4 Mid blue 21E3 While the brown is .. Deep blue 20E3 Purple 13E3 Brown 5E3 Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://www.kaien.com/~bpearson/Index.htm Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:53:14 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List Member Addresses Message-ID: Hi List, This is Kevin Barrett, chiming in from Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Two great shops within a 20 minute drive, so no complaints. The storm that several members have been writing about from the mid-west and western Ontario is just making it's way through here this morning (and the water pump just gave out on the furnace - go figure). Was rib taping the Toko Pfalz last night, and put the primer coat on the fuselage. I'm trying to finish this for our IPMS meeting in December, as there is a club contest. However, knowing the way my productivity has fallen off this year, finishing in time will be a long shot. Nice kit though. Here's to Rememberance Day. Kevin Barrett. nb: Pfalz D.XII nu: That batch of SE5as I was supposed to do last winter. nl: The wind... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:00:51 +0100 From: hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List Member Addresses Message-ID: <412566B9.00413742.00@mailhost.gis-online.de> Hello, I live in Offenbach / Germany which is nearby Frankfurt Hans - Juergen Glueck nb: Revell Fokker DVII - Udets candystriped ESCI Fokker DVII - Gabriels nu: Pegasus Macchi M5 nl: Fun Lovin Criminals ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:53:09 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 11/11@11/1918 Message-ID: <364988B5.4FB3EBBB@ptdprolog.net> Getting ready to go to Court today. I mentioned it to the lawyer needing me as a witness and mentioned it would be Armistice day. Genertally hooted down by all present and reminded it is no longer called that. When was the name changed in the US? I went to grade school in the 50's and still remember it nbeing called that and WWI vets selling poppies. Anyway, I was at least heartened that so many people in the office evemn remembered the day. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:11:22 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: List Member Addresses Message-ID: <36498CFA.7F60@bellsouth.net> hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de wrote: > nl: Fun Lovin Criminals runnin around robbin banks all wacked on scooby snacks... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 05:17:45 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: 11/11@11/1918 Message-ID: <13174570201457@KAIEN.COM> If not Armistice or Remembrance Day (as in Canada), what do you call 11 November in the USA? Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: bucky@ptdprolog.net > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: 11/11@11/1918 > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:56:13 -0500 (EST) > > Getting ready to go to Court today. I mentioned it to the lawyer > needing me as a witness and mentioned it would be Armistice day. > Genertally hooted down by all present and reminded it is no longer > called that. When was the name changed in the US? I went to grade school > in the 50's and still remember it nbeing called that and WWI vets > selling poppies. Anyway, I was at least heartened that so many people in > the office evemn remembered the day. > Mike Muth > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:48:06 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 11/11@11/1918 Message-ID: >If not Armistice or Remembrance Day (as in Canada), what do you call 11 >November in the USA? >Regards, > Bob Pearson It is called Veteren's Day. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:46:25 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 11/11@11/1918 Message-ID: <36499531.7D3@bellsouth.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > If not Armistice or Remembrance Day (as in Canada), what do you call 11 > November in the USA? > Veterans day. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:09:08 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 11/11@11/1918 Message-ID: <364A2725.7B50@webtime.com.au> bucky@ptdprolog.net wrote: > in the 50's and still remember it being called that and WWI vets > selling poppies. Well counsellor, you'd time warp here - It's ****still*** really considered indecent to go abroad without a poppy in one's lapel or for the girls - blouse I might mention we have another day of Remembrance here in Australia - Legacy Day where the ex-service organisations who have long attended BOTH the emotional ( surviving members acting as surrogate fathers ) and financial needs of the families of dead and injured comrades collect for the next years outlays - In a cynical age, and particularly post-Vietnam ( and don't leap down my throat, Vietnam created serious diviseness here too at the time of that War ) , it's nice to know and to be able to say that these organisations are still very heavily supported by the population at large I mentioned last year the experience of driving through Australian country towns - each has a cenotaph and every one of them has an indecently long list of names - Shane mentioned the statistics for our young and little country - fully 10 per cent of the total population with the European powers loosing an average of about 1.5 million dead each ( germany 1.8 A/Hungary 1.4 France 1.2 etc .. ) In a limited sense Stalin was right " 1 death is a tragedy one million is just a statistic " However, you cann't say that when you see the photographs of the individuals who make those statistics, can you ... Lest we forget DAVID ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1289 **********************