WWI Digest 1285 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: ..0..... !!!!!!!! by Bob Pearson 2) Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by Shane Weier 3) RE: ..0..... !!!!!!!! by Shane Weier 4) Re: dogfight doubles by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 5) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 6) Re: ......"0"........ by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 7) Re: ......"0"........ by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 8) Re: Latest OtF bis by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 9) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by "David Vosburgh" 11) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by Bob Pearson 13) Re: ......"0"........ by KarrArt@aol.com 14) RE: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0".. by Shane Weier 15) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by "David Vosburgh" 16) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by Bob Pearson 17) RE: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0". by Shane Weier 18) Re: Bristol Monoplane in South Australia 1919 by "cameron rile" 19) RE: Bristol Monoplane in South Australia 1919 by Shane Weier 20) Re: Bristol Monoplane in South Australia 1919 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 21) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by "David Vosburgh" 22) Aeroplane Monthly was Re: Bristol Monoplane in South Australia 1919 by David & Carol Fletcher 23) Toko Snipe notes by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 24) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 25) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0".. by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by David & Carol Fletcher 27) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by KarrArt@aol.com 28) RE: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0".. by Shane Weier 29) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by "David Vosburgh" 30) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0".. by KarrArt@aol.com 31) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by KarrArt@aol.com 32) Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:19:52 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: ..0..... !!!!!!!! Message-ID: <02195280009096@KAIEN.COM> Shane, Please wait a little while and let us all choose just what kit we would most love to see in 1/48 so you may start the process for it to appear in kit form. My vote is for the Sopwith Dolphin. TIA, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:20:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: Robert > > At this point I'll add my personal heartiest congratulations > and join the chorus of "pictures pictures". Now, just don't drop the damn thing! > BUT.... I'm in a state of pre-quivering because I got the new > IPMS/USA Journal today and a certain M. Bittner gives forth a sterling review > of a..........Yak 9! > Robert K. Yeah, well *I* was trawling through the rec.models.scale detritus and saw another list luminary suggesting a dogfight double *which*wasn't*world*war*one* Such perfidy. What a disgrace. In fact, only one WW1 double was mentioned in the thread (Camel v Dr.I --- yawn) I wonder if there are other doubles which are symbolic of their time - perhaps DH-2 v Fokker E.III SE-5a v Fokker D.VII Albatros D.V v what??? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:31:56 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: ..0..... !!!!!!!! Message-ID: Bob > Please wait a little while and let us all choose just what > kit we would most > love to see in 1/48 so you may start the process for it to > appear in kit > form. My vote is for the Sopwith Dolphin. > You have two chances, Buckleys and ...(ahem. rude words) FWIW my motto is "Bite of more than you can swallow, then chew like hell" but the Dolphin looks like something I'd still be struggling with in 3 1/2 years. And i already DID that ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:10:48 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: dogfight doubles Message-ID: <36485778.1A51@ricochet.net> Shane Weier wrote: > I wonder if there are other doubles which are symbolic of their time - > perhaps > > DH-2 v Fokker E.III > > SE-5a v Fokker D.VII > > Albatros D.V v what??? > Nie. 28? Pup v Albatros D.II Strutter v Albatross C.III Brisfit v Halberstadt Cl.II Tripehound v Albatros D.III Bristol Scout v Halberstadt D.II Bebe v Fokker E.III Snipe v Fokker E.V/D.VII Dolphin v Seimens-Schuckert D.III FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:10:05 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <19981109.211023.-924011.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:21:50 -0500 (EST) Shane Weier writes: >I wonder if there are other doubles which are symbolic of their time Albatros D.II vs. Nieuport 17? Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:04:30 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ......"0"........ Message-ID: <19981109.211023.-924011.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:14:55 -0500 (EST) Shane Weier writes: >..but there's no need to start quivering. Bittner hasn't changed to >1/48 scale yet ROTFL!! That's about what it would take. ;-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:06:40 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ......"0"........ Message-ID: <19981109.211023.-924011.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:00:33 -0500 (EST) KarrArt@aol.com writes: >BUT.... I'm in a state of pre-quivering because I got the new IPMS/USA >Journal >today and a certain M. Bittner gives forth a sterling review of >a..........Yak >9! Whoops. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:07:34 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Latest OtF bis Message-ID: <19981109.211023.-924011.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:19:44 -0500 (EST) "Jim Wallace" writes: >I'm sorry the photos didn't turn out. I did re-take them since the first >set was too dark. I'm sure it was due to processing. How about posting them on your site? Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:09:26 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <6b63fd15.3647ae66@aol.com> In a message dated 11/9/98 6:20:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Yeah, well *I* was trawling through the rec.models.scale detritus and saw another list luminary suggesting a dogfight double *which*wasn't*world*war*one* Such perfidy. What a disgrace.>> I confess! I confess! I only do these things to clear my mind so my WW I work will be better (snivel snivel grovel grovel) << In fact, only one WW1 double was mentioned in the thread (Camel v Dr.I --- yawn) wonder if there are other doubles which are symbolic of their time - perhaps DH-2 v Fokker E.III SE-5a v Fokker D.VII Albatros D.V v what??? Shane>> The thread piece you mention was putting a very specific definition on the idea of "arch rivals", so in the context maybe the Alb D III vs the Nieuport 17 given the simliar wing arrangement ? Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:28:21 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <003301be0c5a$2c8d4bc0$227433cf@Pvosburg> Zeppelin vs B.E.2c? (in 1:48, of course...) -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 1:18 AM Subject: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... >Albatros D.V v what??? > >Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:47:57 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <579c12cb.3647b76d@aol.com> In a message dated 11/9/98 7:28:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << Zeppelin vs B.E.2c? (in 1:48, of course...) >> Sadly, this has been done......The San Diego Air Museum has this very model coupling. ( hint on maintaining marital bliss: assume the wife is not just acting when she flashes a dark look in the husband's direction as he drools on a display case containing a 1/48 Zeppelin being persued by a 1/48 BE2c. This dark look likely means "no way, no how, so forget it". Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:01:34 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <04013422409360@KAIEN.COM> > Sadly, this has been done......The San Diego Air Museum has this very model > coupling. > ( hint on maintaining marital bliss: assume the wife is not just acting when > she flashes a dark look in the husband's direction as he drools on a display > case containing a 1/48 Zeppelin being persued by a 1/48 BE2c. This dark look > likely means "no way, no how, so forget it". > Robert K. But you'll never know unless you ask :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:47:59 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ......"0"........ Message-ID: <266e2d83.3647b76f@aol.com> In a message dated 11/9/98 7:12:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, mbittner@juno.com writes: << On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:00:33 -0500 (EST) KarrArt@aol.com writes: >BUT.... I'm in a state of pre-quivering because I got the new IPMS/USA >Journal >today and a certain M. Bittner gives forth a sterling review of >a..........Yak >9! Whoops. Matt Bittner >> It happens to the best of us (BTW, neat review!) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:09:47 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0".. Message-ID: Bob, > > ( hint on maintaining marital bliss: assume the wife is not > just acting when > > she flashes a dark look in the husband's direction as he drools on a > display case containing a 1/48 Zeppelin being persued by a 1/48 > BE2c. This dark look likely means "no way, no how, so forget it". > > But you'll never know unless you ask :-) > IF *I* asked *you'd* never know. Dead men tell no tales Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:14:24 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <005e01be0c60$9aca5e60$227433cf@Pvosburg> Just from twisted curiosity, and being WAY too tired to do the math myself, just roughly how long would a 1:48 Zeppelin be? I know the 1:72 example that was in FSM a few years back was about 9'... D.V -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 2:52 AM Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... >In a message dated 11/9/98 7:28:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- >graphics.com writes: > ><< Zeppelin vs B.E.2c? > > (in 1:48, of course...) > >> > >Sadly, this has been done......The San Diego Air Museum has this very model >coupling. >( hint on maintaining marital bliss: assume the wife is not just acting when >she flashes a dark look in the husband's direction as he drools on a display >case containing a 1/48 Zeppelin being persued by a 1/48 BE2c. This dark look >likely means "no way, no how, so forget it". >Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:19:20 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <04192047709404@KAIEN.COM> Well if a 1/72 Zep is 9', then a 1/48 one would be 13.5'. Bob ---------- > From: "David Vosburgh" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:16:24 -0500 (EST) > > Just from twisted curiosity, and being WAY too tired to do the math myself, > just roughly how long would a 1:48 Zeppelin be? I know the 1:72 example that > was in FSM a few years back was about 9'... > > D.V > -----Original Message----- > From: KarrArt@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 2:52 AM > Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: > ....."0"..... > > > >In a message dated 11/9/98 7:28:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- > >graphics.com writes: > > > ><< Zeppelin vs B.E.2c? > > > > (in 1:48, of course...) > > >> > > > >Sadly, this has been done......The San Diego Air Museum has this very model > >coupling. > >( hint on maintaining marital bliss: assume the wife is not just acting > when > >she flashes a dark look in the husband's direction as he drools on a > display > >case containing a 1/48 Zeppelin being persued by a 1/48 BE2c. This dark > look > >likely means "no way, no how, so forget it". > >Robert K. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:22:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0". Message-ID: David > > Just from twisted curiosity, and being WAY too tired to do > the math myself, > just roughly how long would a 1:48 Zeppelin be? I know the > 1:72 example that > was in FSM a few years back was about 9'... > 9' in 1/72 == 13.5' in 1/48 Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:16:39 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bristol Monoplane in South Australia 1919 Message-ID: <199811092021271@cameron.prontomail.com> >>>>>It's at Minlaton in SA.<<<<< thanx shane and don , looks like my american wife gets shown lovely Minlaton SA next time we cross the Pacific. Q: why did the Australians make South Australia? A: to cure Insomniacs. shane wrote: >>>Miller wrote a nice autobio which I read just a month or two back<<<< what are the details/publisher of this book? is it still in print? cam Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:34:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Bristol Monoplane in South Australia 1919 Message-ID: Cam, > shane wrote: > >>>Miller wrote a nice autobio which I read just a month or > two back<<<< > > what are the details/publisher of this book? is it still in print? > The original is way out of print. Mine is part of a paperback compendium volume with Sir Charles Kingsford Smiths autobio, bought for about $3 at Bookworld. Likely not to be available except at discounters but I'll look around and see if I can snap another up - maybe more. Quite a lot of inside story re: manufacturing aircraft in UK during WW1 and the early days of airlines in Australia Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:35:04 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bristol Monoplane in South Australia 1919 Message-ID: <199811100435.UAA18564@ednet1.orednet.org> cam writes: > anyone know of a Bristol Monoplane ( M1B ) apparently one made it > to Australia after the armistice and was flown by Captain Harry Butler > for passenger carrying in South Australia somewhere. Has anyone heard > of this? My references have it as a Bristol M1C, serial number C5001. Purchased by Butler from War Disposal in 1919 and flown under serials G-AUCH and VH-UQI named "Puck". Supposedly known in Oz at "The Red Devil" which leads me to suppose it was painted red although that isn't necessarily apparent from my b/w photo. The aircraft still exists (or, at least still existed as of 1982) at the Butler Memorial in Minlaton, South Australia. Butler also brought home an AVRO 504 but he pranged that in a crash in 1922. Butler apparently died a year later from complications of the injuries suffered in the crash. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:38:04 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <006f01be0c63$ea3fd4e0$227433cf@Pvosburg> Thanks, guys. Being an almost completely right-brained individual, trying to do math involving more than single-digit numbers causes me intense physical pain. By some co-incidence, I've been thinking in my vague way about starting a scratchbuilt 1:48 B.E.2c all this past week, using the basswood frame technique Robert used on the 0/400. Anybody have details of the 80hp Renault lying about? What were you saying about biting off more than you could chew, Shane? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 3:14 AM Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... > >Well if a 1/72 Zep is 9', then a 1/48 one would be 13.5'. > >Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:45:24 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Aeroplane Monthly was Re: Bristol Monoplane in South Australia 1919 Message-ID: <3647C4E4.523B@mars.ark.com> cameron rile wrote: "Q: why did the Australians make South Australia? A: to cure Insomniacs." And I thought it was the next best thing to immortality - you may not live forever, but you'll feel like you had... But back to topic; The December 1998 Aeroplane Monthly, apart from all those nifty looking cantilever monoplanes, has a photo of a replica Caudron G.III and one of a genuine 1917 Renault 300HP engine. There is a full spread on Old Rhinebeck, a four-page article on the Salis Bleriot XI, a featured bio of Rudolf Berthold and, off topic but of interest to David, six pages on building a replica Gamecock. Your spy on Vancouver Island signing off... Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:51:06 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Toko Snipe notes Message-ID: <36486EFA.1A59@ricochet.net> The prop is not only has a countersunk boss, but the pitch is too coarse, requiring the blades to be cut off and re-attatched if it is to be used. Probaby ought to just scrap it and get Aeroclub replacement or scour the spares box. Note that according to datafile plans, gun troughs are about twice as long as they should be and wheels are a bit undersized. Also, single axle bar is incorrect and cooling holes need to be drilled at aproximately 4 and 5 o'clock positions on side of engine cowl. Fin/rudder are for late models only, and so earlier wartime variants (such as Barker's) need early fin w/balanced rudder. Roundels have wrong proportions (blue too wide, red center too small) and probably colors. Interior needs work; control stick probably too long and ring too big. No simple (or otherwise, that I could see) way to correct fuselage length. Careful sanding that dorsal fuselage centerline; according to drawings there is a stringer on the centerline (aft of rear decking). Engine fails the modeler's bench test, but IIRC, there is at least one new resin after market Bentley w/PE. IMHO, Humbrol steel gray (#87) is a good suggestion for unfaded battleship gray, but I have seen restored Snipes in rather lightish medium bluish-gray. As always, choose your battles-eh, corrections carefully. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:51:34 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <199811100451.UAA27981@ednet1.orednet.org> Bob writes: > >Well if a 1/72 Zep is 9', then a 1/48 one would be 13.5'. On the other hand, the BE2c would only be a little under 7" long. :-) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:44:34 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0".. Message-ID: In a message dated 11/9/98 8:08:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << > > ( hint on maintaining marital bliss: assume the wife is not > just acting when > > she flashes a dark look in the husband's direction as he drools on a > display case containing a 1/48 Zeppelin being persued by a 1/48 > BE2c. This dark look likely means "no way, no how, so forget it". > > But you'll never know unless you ask :-) > IF *I* asked *you'd* never know. Dead men tell no tales Shane>> Some wisdom is universal......... Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:54:27 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <3647C703.4B34@mars.ark.com> David Vosburgh wrote: "...I've been thinking in my vague way about starting a scratchbuilt 1:48 B.E.2c..." Didn't Aeroclub already do this? It's one thing to do a scratchbuilt only to have a kit issued, but to follow a kit issue with a scratchbuilt puts the brain a little further to the right of the skull - like right out of it ;-) Dave (who has made up plans for an [off topic] Airspeed Fleet Shadower so as not to get caught out this time...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:44:33 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <29b3e58b.3647c4b1@aol.com> In a message dated 11/9/98 8:14:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << Just from twisted curiosity, and being WAY too tired to do the math myself, just roughly how long would a 1:48 Zeppelin be? I know the 1:72 example that was in FSM a few years back was about 9'... D.V >> I can't remember which Zep is in the S.D. Museum, but for an example- a type R at 650' would be just a hair over 13 1/5 ' Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:14:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0".. Message-ID: David > By some co-incidence, I've been thinking in my vague way > about starting a scratchbuilt 1:48 B.E.2c all this past week, using the basswood frame > technique Robert used on the 0/400. Anybody have details of > the 80hp Renault lying about? > > What were you saying about biting off more than you could chew, Shane? > In the tradition of the list, and hoping that everyone will join in.... Davids BE2c....Davids BE2c.....Davids BE2c....DAVIDS BE2C......... (rising to a crescendo) Go for it ! Don't worry about choking ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:15:25 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: <00b301be0c69$20b84840$227433cf@Pvosburg> You want to talk crazy? Ask me how I'm planning on doing the wings... I'll give you a hint, it involves Japanese rice paper and about 120 custom photo-etched ribs. I was inspired by a photo on the cover of a WWI Aero from about ten years ago of a repro sitting on the ramp in the sun with the light streaming through the fabric. But of course, it's just a gleam in the eye at this point. I'd have to build the Renault first, and that would take me a year at the rate I get to work on stuff. Dave -----Original Message----- From: David & Carol Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 3:52 AM Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... >David Vosburgh wrote: > >"...I've been thinking in my vague way about starting a scratchbuilt >1:48 B.E.2c..." > >Didn't Aeroclub already do this? It's one thing to do a scratchbuilt >only to have a kit issued, but to follow a kit issue with a scratchbuilt >puts the brain a little further to the right of the skull - like right >out of it ;-) > >Dave (who has made up plans for an [off topic] Airspeed Fleet Shadower >so as not to get caught out this time...) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:45:21 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0".. Message-ID: <123fcc55.3647d2f1@aol.com> In a message dated 11/9/98 9:13:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Davids BE2c....Davids BE2c.....Davids BE2c....DAVIDS BE2C......... (rising to a crescendo) Go for it ! Don't worry about choking ;-) Shane >> David's BE2c...David's BE2c Davide's Be2c Robert K. (who may just have some Renault or RAFengine stuff in some deep recess of his bat cave) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:45:19 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: In a message dated 11/9/98 8:52:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, bshatzer@orednet.org writes: << > >Well if a 1/72 Zep is 9', then a 1/48 one would be 13.5'. On the other hand, the BE2c would only be a little under 7" long. :-) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org >> Sounds about right- I built one- If could just sneak a Zeppelin into the house to keep it company. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:45:22 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Of topic transgressions and dogfight doubles WAS: ......"0"..... Message-ID: In a message dated 11/9/98 9:15:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << You want to talk crazy? Ask me how I'm planning on doing the wings... I'll give you a hint, it involves Japanese rice paper and about 120 custom photo-etched ribs. I was inspired by a photo on the cover of a WWI Aero from about ten years ago of a repro sitting on the ramp in the sun with the light streaming through the fabric. But of course, it's just a gleam in the eye at this point. I'd have to build the Renault first, and that would take me a year at the rate I get to work on stuff. Dave>> On my 1/48 BE2c- not to be confused with my 1/32 BE2-I ribbed up the wings from hard balsa(this was the days before I discovered the wonders of bass wood) and covered them in good ol' tissue and dope. The model is still around and in good shape. Roberet K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1285 **********************