WWI Digest 1281 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Old 1/28 Revells, Airfix H.P. 0/400 sighted in local shop by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 2) RE: FW: Toko 1/72 Sopwith T.F.2 Salamander by Shane Weier 3) RE: Aussie scroungers was: Mark Shanks by Shane Weier 4) Re: Off-Sub: Return of the Bulldog by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 5) RE: Dogs hair rigging WAS :Vane type foresight WAS: Fred Nurk by Shane Weier 6) Re: Off-Sub: Return of the Bulldog by "David R.L. Laws" 7) Off Topic Entirely (was RE: Dogs hair rigging WAS :Vane type for by "Mark Shanks" 8) Re: Aussie scroungers , missing RE8 by "cameron rile" 9) Re: Biff Volume 2 / Pricing issues by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 10) Re: Off-Sub: Return of the Bulldog by "Mark Shanks" 11) Re: Off Topic Entirely (was RE: Dogs hair rigging WAS :Vane type for by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 12) Re: Off-Sub: Return of the Bulldog by "David Vosburgh" 13) AARRGGGGGGHHHHH by Bob Pearson 14) Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH by Ernest Thomas 15) Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH by Bob Pearson 17) Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH by David & Carol Fletcher 18) Re: Biff Volume 2 / Pricing issues by "David Vosburgh" 19) interesting photo of WWI German ace by wreckage by Dave Watts 20) Brisfit photo on eBay by Dave Watts 21) Re: interesting photo of WWI German ace by wreckage by Bob Pearson 22) Aurora swaps by "Sandy Adam" 23) Re: Biff Volume 2 / Pricing issues by "Sandy Adam" 24) Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH by Alberto Rada 25) Re: Windsock rumors by DavidL1217@aol.com 26) Re: OTF by DavidL1217@aol.com 27) Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH by "Sandy Adam" 28) Re: Another Blue Rider decal idea by bucky@ptdprolog.net 29) Re: interesting photo of WWI German ace by wreckage by bucky@ptdprolog.net 30) Re: interesting photo of WWI German ace by wreckage by bucky@ptdprolog.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 03:12:58 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Old 1/28 Revells, Airfix H.P. 0/400 sighted in local shop Message-ID: <36442B3A.6CD0@ricochet.net> Anyone still want an 0/400 badly enough to pay $25 + tax & postage? If so, contact me off-list. There were also some K&Bs, a few late ('76) Aurora single-seaters for around $15 ea., and old 1/72 Eldons and Revells which were absurdly overpriced (If anyone wants an Aurora Brisfit, I've got one for trade/sale). Also, an Entex 1/48 SE5, which gets my vote for worst SE model if not worst WWI model of all time. Sounds like the beginning of an interesting thread... What's the range of asking prices for the old Revell 1/28 Camel and Spad in the thin white boxes? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:47:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: FW: Toko 1/72 Sopwith T.F.2 Salamander Message-ID: Matt > >FWIW, on Nov 4th I posted a 1/72 Sopwith Salamander in-box info to > > Any word on the H-B KD or Aviatik D.I? Those are two being looked > forward to. > You have something against PC.10 ? Whats wrong with a nice new Salamander, that you wouldn't look forward to it? ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:51:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Aussie scroungers was: Mark Shanks Message-ID: Bill, > Interestingly, while the Spandaus are quite evident in the > photos, they > have subsequently disappeared and never found their way into any of > the museums preserving MvR relics. One or both of them will, > no doubt, > eventually turn up in the attic of some New South Wales farmhouse. > Highly unlikely. Not that the guns might be here, but attics are rarer than rocking horse excreta in Australia. (And not in the basement either, also an architectural rarity) But "Every Aussie boy needs a shed..." according to singer John Williamson, so they'll either be hidden in a backyard shed under bicycle and car parts, empty beer bottles awaiting a refill and dusty cricket equipment OR under the house (in Queensland) where we build our homes on stilts to avoid the floods, poisonous snakes and rabid kangaroos ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:35:28 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-Sub: Return of the Bulldog Message-ID: <19981106.175018.-910315.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:47:37 -0500 (EST) bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) writes: >I've not seen the Jupiter specifically but the ones I have seen by >that >outfit have been excellent. A bit pricey but excellent. Except for the 1/72nd Mercedes. The Atlee is the best, followed very closely by the Xtraparts/Paragon. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:54:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Dogs hair rigging WAS :Vane type foresight WAS: Fred Nurk Message-ID: Sandy > > In the days when I had hair *above* eyebrow level I tried > to rig a bipe > > with it. Looked okay for a time, ..... > > I know - after about twenty years it started to go grey, then > it started to > fall off and the model was left a bipe slaphead! > Sandy > ROTFLMAO. Good grief, a Scot with a sense of humour. Shane (Married to one Megan McGregor, daughter of one Iain McGregor and yes, I know a few of your hairy kneed breed) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 10:12:54 +1000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-Sub: Return of the Bulldog Message-ID: <3640ED86.60CA@webtime.com.au> DAVE Save yourself the money - the lindberg engine isn't that bad at all - a set of three pushrods per cylinder and and some small dividing fins and some little work on the exhausts and your'e there ! david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:07:31 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Off Topic Entirely (was RE: Dogs hair rigging WAS :Vane type for Message-ID: <9811070005.AA05735@fltdyn.com> Shane writes: > ROTFLMAO. Good grief, a Scot with a sense of humour. > > Shane > (Married to one Megan McGregor, daughter of one Iain McGregor and yes, I > know a few of your hairy kneed breed) Hmmmpf. Are we going to play "Fun with Celts"? ;-) Mark (Married to Mary Margaret O'Sullivan, eldest daughter of one John O'Sullivan of Skibereen, bane of 32nd degree Masons and proprietors of phoney "Irish" bars....) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:13:13 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Aussie scroungers , missing RE8 Message-ID: <199811061609035@cameron.prontomail.com> Ernest wrote : >>You say that like a man who owns a NSW shed and has the name of a >>rich american in his pocket. /%] roflmgo , yeh I wish Bill wrote : >>Still, if this did come from an Aussie, it is further evidence of >>their almost legendary status as souvenir scroungers. I mean, one >>might smuggle a Luger or a bayonet home in the old kit bag, but a >>Spandau!? T.W Tovell , a mechanic of 4 AFC also smuggled home with him to Jandowae , Queensland , an orphaned 10 year old Belgian boy , Henri Heremene , who had been wounded in Ypres and followed the squadron around in late 1918 Bob Wrote : >>And then there is No.2 AFCs stray Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter named >>'Sophie',which some French unit misplaced and was then used as the >>unit hack. haha but then if the French are silly enough to leave a perfectly good aircraft hanging about , well ..... 4 AFC also commandeered a Rumpler aptly named the " Grog Wagon " while they were at Bickendorf. Before they left Bickendorf in the best Aussie traditions , the pilots got pissed as maggots and then defaced the big bronze statue of the kaiser in Cologne. cam Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 04:23:54 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Biff Volume 2 / Pricing issues Message-ID: <36443BDA.76BB@ricochet.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > >... includes the late war marks, Mark IV, Arab and other engines > > > etc. Plenty of civvy aircraft too including the exceedingly > > ugly >tourers used in Australia by Charles Kingsford Smith and Finally had a look at this today. Nice reference, but unfortunately priced at least twice what it's worth to me (I know I'm a whining skin-flint, but gads, gents, $33.00+???). Admittedly, I was at the local high-end robbery shop (so the price was probably exaggerated), and I think Mr. Rimell is doing bang-up work, but perhaps he should collect both Brisfit (as well as Nieuport & Fokker) books into a single volume to make this price just a bit more reasonable (I'm supposed to spend twice as much on references as on the bloody kit itself?-Steve Rutland in the latest Windsock seems to think so). Or, better yet, take FMP's lead (although they've outdone Rimell in pricing theirand combine all materials on single manufacturer/nation in one volume, and then I'll let him hit me hard in the wallet. I believe one reason why more modelers don't take up the true faith (besides the fear of wing alignment & rigging) is that they either can't afford or won't part with the large sums required for accurate kits (though this situation has improved dramatically of late) and good refs at an initial casual stage of interest. Even though it may be inevitable, I would like WWI aviation modeling to cease becoming a rich man's hobby. Whine mode off. FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:23:18 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-Sub: Return of the Bulldog Message-ID: <9811070021.AA06044@fltdyn.com> David Laws writes: > Save yourself the money - the lindberg engine isn't that bad at all - a > set of three pushrods per cylinder and and some small dividing fins and > some little work on the exhausts and your'e there ! (To Dave Laws - NONE of this is aimed at you, friend - it's an inside joke!!!! ;-) Don't go to the Dark Side, Dave! Less than total perfection will destroy you! It is written in the ancient manuscript "Cultes des Plastique": "Ye Great Olde Ones seek to tear down that which they cannot do themselves. In all things, even the smallest, must ye seek that perfection in which lies safety. Stray not from the path, lest ye be put-upon by Shub-Blabbermouth, He-Who-Knows-All-Yet-Buildeth-Not." I'd opt for the Engines and Things, for the buckage ($5.35 from Av. Usk...) Abdul Alhazred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 04:36:12 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off Topic Entirely (was RE: Dogs hair rigging WAS :Vane type for Message-ID: <36443EBC.4A3F@ricochet.net> Mark Shanks wrote: > > Shane writes: > > > ROTFLMAO. Good grief, a Scot with a sense of humour. > > > > Shane > > (Married to one Megan McGregor, daughter of one Iain McGregor and yes, I > > know a few of your hairy kneed breed) > > Hmmmpf. Are we going to play "Fun with Celts"? Why not? Riordan, Son of Patrick, brother of Kevin, Brandon, Sean, Darrin and Morgan (Mum got hold of a book of Irish names, bless 'er heart). Wanted to name potential son Fergus or Ian, but had to settle for Paul. Oh, almost forgot - descendent of Warnoch, clan of Davidson (I here the chieftan's position is vacant...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:46:05 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Off-Sub: Return of the Bulldog Message-ID: <001801be09f0$62b9d720$05d690d0@Pvosburg> ROTFL, and a wgah-nagl fhtagn to you too, pal... Looking again at the way the motor is buttoned into the cowl I suppose most of it except the heads & top parts of each cyl. would be hidden anyway. Maybe I'll just spend a month or two on the rockers & such and let it go at that. Where did I leave my armature wire...? Actually I suppose this isn't technically off-subject, since I just remembered that the earliest incarnation of the Jupiter (pre-Bristol) is included in the Engines section of Janes 1919. DV -----Original Message----- From: Mark Shanks To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Off-Sub: Return of the Bulldog ...Stray not from the path, lest ye be >put-upon by Shub-Blabbermouth, He-Who-Knows-All-Yet-Buildeth-Not." > >I'd opt for the Engines and Things, for the buckage ($5.35 from Av. >Usk...) > >Abdul Alhazred > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 18:37:55 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH Message-ID: <02375525502730@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, Just about finished my first on-topic kit in 1 1/2 years. . the rigging on my Toko Snipe is underway. I decided to try some ceramic wire another list member sent me and it seems nice, but I think I will wait and use that on my Eduard Tripane instead, so I'll just remove the wires I already installed and use invisible thread instead . . . Oh no .. G o i n i n g d o w n bounce boing SPLAT ! well the wing is now off .. same with 6 of the struts . . one mg is missing . . . . . . u/c is still on though . .. maybe I won't rig it after all .. . . back to the computer for me .. .. perhaps Photoshop can fix it .. . . regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 20:52:10 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH Message-ID: <3643B5DA.1458@bellsouth.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > G > o > i > n > i > n > g > > d > o > w > n > bounce > boing SPLAT ! Bummer! At least I can report the Landesknecht has a face now. And one of my better ones, if I do say so myself. And thanks again for putting my figure pics in the IM. I now have to beat the cybergroupies off with an old piece of sprue. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:37:30 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/98 6:36:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, bpearson@kaien.com writes: << G o i n i n g d o w n bounce boing SPLAT ! well the wing is now off .. same with 6 of the struts . . one mg is missing . . . . . . u/c is still on though . .. maybe I won't rig it after all .. . . back to the computer for me .. .. perhaps Photoshop can fix it .. . . regards, Bob Pearson>> What time is it kids?......why it's............CRASH DIORAMA TIME! Make it a prize winner! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:46:14 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH Message-ID: <03461414902867@KAIEN.COM> > << > G > o > i > n > i > n > g > > d > o > w > n > bounce > boing SPLAT ! > > > > well the wing is now off .. same with 6 of the struts . . one mg is missing > . . . . . . u/c is still on though . .. maybe I won't rig it after all .. > . . back to the computer for me .. .. perhaps Photoshop can fix it .. . . > > regards, > Bob Pearson>> > > What time is it kids?......why it's............CRASH DIORAMA TIME! > Make it a prize winner! > Robert K. Geez, I wish I had thought of that before I put the @#$%^&* wing back on . .. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 20:19:17 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH Message-ID: <3643CA45.494@mars.ark.com> Bob Pearson wrote: "Just about finished my first on-topic kit in 1 1/2 years. ." Now I don't want to sound skeptical, but isn't this a variation on "I did my homework teacher, but the dog ate it..." This way, a cynic might think, the master of two dimensions won't have to show us what he does in three dimensions... Good job Bob doesn't do his modelling in the White House or we might suspect a cover-up! Nevertheless, my sympathies on the gravity of your loss to gravity. Been there, done that. DCF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:35:03 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Biff Volume 2 / Pricing issues Message-ID: <002001be0a07$fee01620$21d690d0@Pvosburg> Interesting points, and I for one certainly didn't think it whiny at all. But we're adults, and we can always find a way to divert the odd twenty away from groceries or beer or whatever and into a new Datafile. What worries me is that when I was eight or ten I could take my $1 a week allowance to the local Grants store and buy a Hawk N.17 or an Aurora D.VII and have money left for glue. How many kids now can afford to go out and plunk down a minimum of seven or eight bucks for a kit on anything more than an occasional basis? Of course this is an economic circumstance that none of us can do anything about, but it raises a concern about where the next generation of WWI Listees are going to be coming from, and how many there'll be when they get here...? D.V -----Original Message----- From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 11:15 PM Subject: Re: Biff Volume 2 / Pricing issues >I believe one reason why more modelers don't take up the true faith >(besides the fear of wing alignment & rigging) is that they either can't >afford or won't part with the large sums required for accurate kits >(though this situation has improved dramatically of late) and good refs >at an initial casual stage of interest. Even though it may be >inevitable, I would like WWI aviation modeling to cease becoming a rich >man's hobby. > >Whine mode off. > >FWIW, > >Riordan > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 01:27:46 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Subject: interesting photo of WWI German ace by wreckage Message-ID: <199811070632.BAA08821@sam.on-net.net> Hi all, Click on this and see if you can identify the "Blue Max" holder by his latest victim's wreckage. It looks like possibly a SE.5A, but there's not much left. Good Luck. Best, Dave W. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=39058682 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 01:32:02 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Subject: Brisfit photo on eBay Message-ID: <199811070637.BAA08881@sam.on-net.net> Another one to peek at if you're a Brisfit fan. The original photo must be very sharp. Best, Dave W. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=39509458 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:26:07 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: interesting photo of WWI German ace by wreckage Message-ID: <07260735003244@KAIEN.COM> The pilot appears to be Kurt Wintgens . . . And the serial that of a MS Parasol . . lets see what I can find . . . . . . . . .Almost correct. .. . . according to Bruce in RFC Aeroplanes 5177 is a BB. Above the Lines has Wintgens downing a Parasol (5177 of No.60 Sqn) on 2 August 1916. .. Lets check on a history of 60 Sqn in C&C(GB)12/1 . . BB 5177 lost on 2.8.16 Lt Ormsby PoW, Lt Newton DOW .. . Wintgens was awarded the PlM after his 8th victory and this was his 13th of an eventual 19 All in all an interesting photo. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Dave Watts > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: interesting photo of WWI German ace by wreckage > Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 01:36:43 -0500 (EST) > > Hi all, > Click on this and see if you can identify the "Blue Max" holder by his > latest victim's wreckage. It looks like possibly a SE.5A, but there's not > much left. Good Luck. > Best, > Dave W. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=39058682 > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:00:09 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Aurora swaps Message-ID: <199811071202.MAA25187@beryl.sol.co.uk> > ....If anyone wants an Aurora Brisfit, I've got one for trade/sale.... Hi Rio I've always regretted not buying the one Aurora Brisfit I ever saw over here, way back in the Sixties. I've got theAeroclub and Blue Max offerings but still fancy an Aurora one for old time's sake If anyone else is interested I'm also very keen to get one or more Aurora DH4's. For swap I've got a number of old Windsocks - Vol7 etc, a Harleyford Fighters, Bombers and Air Aces, Thetford's original 1914-18 colours book, a spare Ruston aircraft production book. I could also be parted from various Aurora or KB Gotha, DH-10, Halberstadt, Breguet etc if a DH4 was on offer. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:25:38 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Biff Volume 2 / Pricing issues Message-ID: <199811071202.MAA25184@beryl.sol.co.uk> > ........, I would like WWI aviation modeling to cease becoming a rich > man's hobby. > Agree with an awful lot of what you said Rio, but on the other hand there are tremendous bargains to be had if you look. Eg, I got nine Eduards from Ivan last month for a good bit less than three pounds sterling each - including postage Czech Rep/UK - that's astonishing value - especially as it included LTM Pfalz, Albatros and Tripe kits. I am drawn in two directions by RR's pricing policy - on the one hand I wish him success and profitability and continuance of his company, but I do think some of the prices are a bit haywire. I do not understand how it is good business sense to make it more expensive to pay up front for 6 Datafiles than to buy them as they are released. If you buy from the likes of MCP they will view the whole set as one sale and charge no postage, but only bill your card for each issue as they despatch it. They will also give you a 10% credit against future sales for all orders. This makes WI and DF much cheaper than buying direct and you only pay as you receive. Since they must get a slice, the only person losing is RR - why doesn't he discount RRP for those prepared to pay up front? He'd get more than MCP pay him. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 09:23:24 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH Message-ID: <364449CC.EEBF6D02@argonaut.net> Hi Bob The idea of a diorama is not a bad one, this thing most have happened to most of us, so we could put all the crashed planes together and make a flying school diorama ? SALUDOS Alberto Bob Pearson wrote: > Greetings all, > > Just about finished my first on-topic kit in 1 1/2 years. . the rigging on > my Toko Snipe is underway. I decided to try some ceramic wire another list > member sent me and it seems nice, but I think I will wait and use that on my > Eduard Tripane instead, so I'll just remove the wires I already installed > and use invisible thread instead . . . Oh no .. > > G > o > i > n > i > n > g > > d > o > w > n > bounce > boing SPLAT ! > > > > well the wing is now off .. same with 6 of the struts . . one mg is missing > . . . . . . u/c is still on though . .. maybe I won't rig it after all .. > . . back to the computer for me .. .. perhaps Photoshop can fix it .. . . > > regards, > Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:53:15 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock rumors Message-ID: <557b3853.36445edb@aol.com> I'd really like to them do the SPAD 7. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:08:47 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: OTF Message-ID: <933dcfd7.3644627f@aol.com> The latest issue came with profiles of several of von Scleich's aircraft! Well worth joining! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:37:43 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: AARRGGGGGGHHHHH Message-ID: <199811071636.QAA29746@beryl.sol.co.uk> > The idea of a diorama is not a bad one, this thing most have happened > to most of us, so we could put all the crashed planes together and make > a flying school diorama ? What about the "Million Dollar Bonfire"? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:18:10 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Another Blue Rider decal idea Message-ID: <36449CF2.522764CD@ptdprolog.net> David R.L. Laws wrote: > Hi all > > Testors Nieuport ( II, 17 ... ? ) > > Testors Spad ( Vii or XIII ? ) > > Both 1:48 > > Either of these any good per se or as a basis for something worthwhile > I've always made a habit of pickiing up the Nieuport. The parts go > together well and the top wings is pretty thin. You'll need to do > something about the rear cabanes since they aren't correct (no inverted > "v"). The kit goes pretty regularly for $4-5.00 a gfreat deal. No > interior in the kit. HTHMike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:27:52 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: interesting photo of WWI German ace by wreckage Message-ID: <36449F38.6FAD8A16@ptdprolog.net> --------------F89F325226F4D6922905FFBA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no idea why, but want to say Wilhelm Frankl. Mike Muth Dave Watts wrote: > Hi all, > Click on this and see if you can identify the "Blue Max" holder by his > latest victim's wreckage. It looks like possibly a SE.5A, but there's not > much left. Good Luck. > Best, > Dave W. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=39058682 --------------F89F325226F4D6922905FFBA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no idea why, but want to say Wilhelm Frankl.
Mike Muth

Dave Watts wrote:

Hi all,
  Click on this and see if you can identify the "Blue Max" holder by his
latest victim's wreckage.  It looks like possibly a SE.5A, but there's not
much left.  Good Luck.
Best,
Dave W.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=39058682

  --------------F89F325226F4D6922905FFBA-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:31:15 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: interesting photo of WWI German ace by wreckage Message-ID: <3644A003.330B9153@ptdprolog.net> --------------E6F138655E4A5AF021084C8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should know better by now to wait and see what Bob has in his vast collection of info ! Did Frankl even win the PLM? Is there a Frankl? Why don't I look this stuff up befoe sticking in my 2 cents worth. Going to wall now to bang head against it.(It's been one of those days) Mike Muth Bob Pearson wrote: > The pilot appears to be Kurt Wintgens . . . And the serial that of a MS > Parasol . . lets see what I can find . . . . . > > . . . .Almost correct. .. . . according to Bruce in RFC Aeroplanes 5177 is > a BB. Above the Lines has Wintgens downing a Parasol (5177 of No.60 Sqn) on > 2 August 1916. .. > > Lets check on a history of 60 Sqn in C&C(GB)12/1 . . BB 5177 lost on 2.8.16 > Lt Ormsby PoW, Lt Newton DOW .. . > > Wintgens was awarded the PlM after his 8th victory and this was his 13th of > an eventual 19 > > All in all an interesting photo. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > ---------- > > From: Dave Watts > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: interesting photo of WWI German ace by wreckage > > Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 01:36:43 -0500 (EST) > > > > Hi all, > > Click on this and see if you can identify the "Blue Max" holder by his > > latest victim's wreckage. It looks like possibly a SE.5A, but there's not > > much left. Good Luck. > > Best, > > Dave W. > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=39058682 > > --------------E6F138655E4A5AF021084C8E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should know better by now to wait and see what Bob has in his vast collection of info ! Did Frankl even win the PLM? Is there a Frankl? Why don't I look this stuff up befoe sticking in my 2 cents worth. Going to wall now to bang head against it.(It's been one of those days)
Mike Muth

Bob Pearson wrote:

The pilot appears to be Kurt Wintgens . . . And the serial that of a MS
Parasol . . lets see what I can find . . . .  .

 . . . .Almost correct. .. . . according to Bruce in RFC Aeroplanes 5177 is
a BB. Above the Lines has Wintgens downing a Parasol (5177 of No.60 Sqn) on
2 August 1916.  ..

Lets check on a history of 60 Sqn in C&C(GB)12/1 . . BB 5177 lost on 2.8.16
Lt Ormsby PoW, Lt Newton DOW .. .

Wintgens was awarded the PlM after his 8th victory and this was his 13th of
an eventual 19

All in all an interesting photo.

Regards,
         Bob Pearson
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> From: Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: interesting photo of WWI German ace by wreckage
> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 01:36:43 -0500 (EST)
>
> Hi all,
>   Click on this and see if you can identify the "Blue Max" holder by his
> latest victim's wreckage.  It looks like possibly a SE.5A, but there's not
> much left.  Good Luck.
> Best,
> Dave W.
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=39058682
>

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