WWI Digest 1272 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: yet another update to my site. . by "David R.L. Laws" 2) Veltjens a/c by John & Allison Cyganowski 3) RE: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors by Shane Weier 4) Re: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors by "David R.L. Laws" 5) RE: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors by Shane Weier 6) Rigging diagrams by "R. Godfrey" 7) Re: yet another update to my site. . by Bob Pearson 8) RE: Rigging diagrams by Shane Weier 9) Re: Jasta 7 aircraft by Bob Pearson 10) FFF (Fokker Fun Fact) by Dave Watts 11) F.E.2b Problem by REwing@aol.com 12) RE: FFF (Fokker Fun Fact) by Shane Weier 13) Re: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors by David & Carol Fletcher 14) Re: F.E.2b Problem by David & Carol Fletcher 15) RE: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors by Shane Weier 16) Re: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors by Ernest Thomas 17) Re: Jasta 7 aircraft by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 18) Re: Jasta 7 aircraft by Bob Pearson 19) Re: Jasta 7 aircraft by REwing@aol.com 20) Re: Sunny Queensland : (was Alba. D.III Markings ) by Mick Fauchon 21) Re: Taubes by Mick Fauchon 22) Re: Taubes by Mick Fauchon 23) RE: Windsock rumors by Joey Valenciano 24) First appearance by Tomasz Gronczewski 25) RE: First appearance by "Robert Woodbury" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 13:52:54 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: yet another update to my site. . Message-ID: <363F0AB5.6A9F@webtime.com.au> Mike Fletcher wrote: > > Happy Birthday - got a zip drive though > > Mike Fletcher MIKE DON'T WANT TO BE A PARTY POOPER BUT I STRONGLY RECCOMEND YOU PUT " CLICK OF DEATH " INTO YOUR BROSWER SEARCH ENGINE AND READ ALL ABOUT A VERY NASTY PROBLEM WITH IOMEGA ZIP DRIVES - AND IT IS NOT ALL FANTASY I'M SAD TO SAY ... I HAVE LOST A GREAT WALLOP OF BACKUP MATERIAL MYSELF DUE TO THIS PROBLEM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 22:14:33 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Veltjens a/c Message-ID: <363E7519.3CB6@worldnet.att.net> I own one copy of Cross & Cockade International. It is Vol. 24, No.2 1993. The cover is a painting by Peter Green entitled teething troubles. The painting features Berthold in his D.VII + Veltjens & Beaulieu-Marconnay in SSW D.IIIs diving on an AWFK8 "Big Ack". The mag has a review of the painting by Alex Imrie (quite taken by it). There was also an insert a signed and numbered print by the artist for 25 (GBP). I like Veltjens' markings. I intend to do a D.V in his markings. I must admit though, I wonder about him. The term "flamboyant" doesn't seem to quite cover it. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:47:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors Message-ID: Robert, > I can accept being labelled "demented" when the comment comes from > another of the afflicted.>> > > I recognised the symptoms within days of joining the list last year! > ..of *your* illness, or mine ? > I, for one, can't wait to see your "failure"! By my definistion the model is actually a raging success. That is, I have enjoyed doing it immensely, am pleased with the result despite knowing I could possibly have done many things better, and as a direct and indirect consequence have made a mass of friends through this list. hard to consider it as *truly* a failure against that lot, even if it does end up looking like a wheelbarrow. > It's kind of difficult to > explain the allure of scratchbuilding. I didn't wake up one > day and say to myself "I shall commence producing miniatures from scratch". > I was just a kid who wanted the something the market didn't offer at the time. > It was direct- "I want to see a model of this, guess I'll have to make it > myself"". A little 7th grade (age 12-13) drafting and I was on my way. > I still but a lot of kits, but I always never seem to get > around to them. > Robert K. > Change the signature line and this could be me speaking. In my early teens I hoped to join the RAN as an officer, so one of my modelling desires was to build models of the ships of the fleet of the time. I used GA's provided by the PRO and made what I recall as quite good models by the standards of my agegroup. By the time I left school though, I'd drifted back to aircraft, and (embarrasingly) Napoleonic figures, and had decided scratchbuilding either of these was beyond my capacity. My continuing interest in WW1 aircraft was piqued by Rimmels conversion articles in SM, my horizons widened by Geoff Prentices Vacform View articles in the same mag, and Woodmans seminal volume on scratchbuilding took me back to my childhood pursuit, but with the addition of AIDS (Adult Idiotic Detailing Standards) to ensure no project ever takes less than 2 years. For my sins the last scratchbuild completed was an (of topic, but it was pre list, so I don't feel guilty ;-) Hawker Hurricane with all the fabric and panels removed. Yes, I knoww it's been done to death, but I wasn't aware of that at the time. It's the only one of my older scratchbuilds still in existence AFAIK, the rest having been given away or scrapped during one of my many Army postings. FWIW, I'm about to move house again. I wonder if I should scrap the Biff to make room? JOKING !!! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:08:40 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors Message-ID: <363F0E67.3BFF@webtime.com.au> SCRATCH-BUILDING Well they call rt that 'cause you spend half your time scratching your head trying to workout how to fabricate something barely visible out of raw materials which are always one or two thou too big or ( just occassionally ) too small You also cut, carve and scratch chunks out of yourself with a frequency which bespeaks a Spartan endurance or just pure unadulterated masochism But at the end of the day and after expending countless hundreds of hours you can look at your tiny creation and think - Jee I saved $2.00 by not buying the kit of your one off ... which has just come out .... It's not all bad news though - at least your trailing edges are razor sharp - its just the judge at the next competition loves photo-etch, he models mainly in WW 2 and doesn't understand that something apparantly very simple has taken quite a deal of thought and skill to give and achieve just that impression ( reaching for Webley as the horrible truth of the futility of it all hits home ) DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:15:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors Message-ID: David, > Well they call rt that 'cause you spend half your time scratching your > head Yes, that > You also cut, carve and scratch chunks out of yourself with a > frequency which bespeaks a Spartan endurance or just pure unadulterated > masochism and that.. But also Standing around scratching your ass (US spelling, we Aussies swear bilingually) rather than actually doing anything, while you wait on the arrival of the perfect reference. > > But at the end of the day and after expending countless hundreds of > hours you can look at your tiny creation and think - Jee I saved $2.00 > by not buying the kit of your one off ... which has just come > out .... > You're joking ! You actually *save* money? I'm doing it wrong. Damn, after all these years, I'm still doing it wrong. > It's not all bad news though - at least your trailing edges are razor > sharp - its just the judge at the next competition loves > photo-etch, he models mainly in WW 2 and doesn't understand that something apparantly > very simple has taken quite a deal of thought and skill to give and > achieve just that impression > As one who organises model contests, I can only add that 10,000 hours of work is not factored into standard judging systems, but ONE spot of dust in a paint job certainly is. > ( reaching for Webley as the horrible truth of the futility of it all > hits home ) Please return SPAD datafile first, and can i keep your WW1 Aeros ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:11:53 -0600 From: "R. Godfrey" To: wwi Subject: Rigging diagrams Message-ID: <4.1.19981102142404.00968ba0@pop.sound.net> Hello Group, I've been what I think you call "lurking" for a long time now while in a model building hiatus. I got about 25 of my old Revell 1/72 models in a 3 shelf vertical case and covered the face of it with Plexiglas to keep out the dust. In displaying them I noticed (I didn't forget, I just didn't want to remember) I hadn't done the rigging on some of them . . . some of these were from the 1960s. They looked pretty good at the time, but now I'd like to "finish" them, as much as I'm able. The obvious problem is I don't have any of the pictures from the boxes anymore and, like the Airfix models I'm doing more of now, there were no rigging diagrams with the "plans" they gave me. Hence, I'd like to beg or buy 3 view drawings (and maybe an oblique) but not to the extent of getting the complete datafile on each one of them. I've checked out all the web sites I can find and copied all I could find, but they don't really help too much with the details. I do have Kenneth Munson's book "Bombers 1914-19" with color top-bottom combo and side views of some, but no head-on views. My book "The Fighters" by T.R. Funderburk also shows only B/W side and top views and rather incomplete rigging for what does show. I need: Bristol F.2.B "Brisfit": at least a front view. Hanover CL II: I haven't found anything on this one S.E.5a: at least a front view Sopwith Triplane: again, at least a front view I'd really appreciate any help any of you can give me. Bob G. ___________________ RG-KC-US rgodfrey@sound.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:35:24 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: yet another update to my site. . Message-ID: <04352441104768@KAIEN.COM> > From: Mike Fletcher > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: yet another update to my site. . > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:31:07 -0500 > > Happy Birthday - I just had a birthday also (30th) > No subpeonas - got a zip drive though > > Mike Fletcher > Wanna trade? my 34 for your 30? or your zip for my subpoena? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:40:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Rigging diagrams Message-ID: Bob, > > Hello Group, > > I've been what I think you call "lurking" for a long time now > while in a model building hiatus. Always gives me a buzz when a lurker "decloaks". Welcome ! > I need: > Bristol F.2.B "Brisfit": at least a front view. > Hanover CL II: I haven't found anything on this one > S.E.5a: at least a front view > Sopwith Triplane: again, at least a front view > I can get you all of these, and if no-one else offers withing 24 hours I will. But I'm in Australia, so it'll be better if a local can provide them. Maybe the list librarian has them? Riordan of the Many Names? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:43:45 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Jasta 7 aircraft Message-ID: <04434558104804@KAIEN.COM> C&C(INT) 25/3 has drawings of the top of Jacobs' D.V and it is in 5 colour lozenge. It also has drawings of the top surfaces of 450/17 and 470/17, and they have crosses on all three wings. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page http://www.kaien.com/~bpearson/Index.htm ---------- > From: REwing@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Jasta 7 aircraft > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:46:10 -0500 > > > > << The really *cool* thing about Jacobs' D.V is the *overall* scheme. With > Bob's wonderful portrait, you only see the side. The top is where it's > at. Lozenge wings (I can't remember if it's four or five) with *four* > crosses on the top wing. > >> > > Is there a reference to the four crosses? Where were the inner ones > located? After seeing Bob's profile (THANKS BOB!!), I got really interested > in this plane. So if anyone can guide me to a book or magazine where they > show the crosses, I would be very greatful. TIA > -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 23:36:09 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: Subject: FFF (Fokker Fun Fact) Message-ID: <199811030440.XAA18400@sam.on-net.net> I posted this on the Av. list, and would appreciate any feedback. Here is a list of pilots that may have flown more Fokker D.VII's than most. Mathias------------------140 Weidner------------------132 Schutzenmeister-----127 Grosse-------------------126 Kurrek----------------------97 Kulisch---------------------60 Neisen----------------------50 Petermann------------------3 Schmarje--------------------1 Total = 736 They were factory test pilots for Fokker. They performed the army acceptance flights on the aircraft. The reason the lower listed pilots had such few flights is that they were early test pilots that stopped flying test flights, died, or entered active service by the time the D.VIIs were coming out. Probably there were test pilots at Albatros that may have flown more D.VIIs, or at the flug park depots, but the documentation has been lost or is unavailable at this time. Immediately after the Adlershof 1st fighter competition on Jan.23rd, 1918, Fokker was awarded a contract for 300 D.VIIs. At or about the same time contracts were given to Albatros to build 400 D.VIIs. This contract of 400 was filled at the Albatros factory in Johannisthal, ie. "Fok. D VII (Alb.)". The next contract for 200 D.VII"s was filled at the Ostdeutsche Albatros Werke in Schneidemuhl, ie. "Fok. D VII. (O.A.W.)". According to FOKKER D.VII WINDSOCK DATAFILE 9, Fokker "Fok. DVII" 1000 ordered 840 approx. built Albatros "Fok. D VII (Alb.)" 1200 ordered 1000 approx. built Albatros "Fok. D VII. (O.A.W.)" 1000 ordered 1000 approx. built It also lists 811 Fokker "Fok. D VIIs" accepted, but when you look at the table with serial numbers assigned it totals 839. And if that is not confusing enough my total in my posting listed 736. I will have to go back to the acceptance sheets to see what I missed, (I don't believe much). I know that the first 21 were accepted in Feb. and or March, and those records have been lost, so I couldn't know who made the acceptance flights on those, (bringing my total up to 756). Since "Alb." and "O.A.W." each produced about 1000 aircraft, it's likely that one of their test pilots flew more D VIIs than anyone else. Also quoted in Windsock Datafile 9, is the front line inventory of D VIIs, (and I have seen these numbers quoted elsewhere). The thing I'm wondering about is that it lists 19 D.VIIs at the front in April of 1918. You would certainly think that MvR's Jasta would be one of the first to get these aircraft, but from what I've read MvR only flew the V.11 (D.VII) at the fighter competition, but never flew one in active duty. I guess that means that all 19 D.VIIs were delivered to the front after April 21st, or were delivered to other Jastas. Did MvR fly a service D.VII? Any thoughts on this? Best to all, Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 23:43:51 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: F.E.2b Problem Message-ID: <7d71063e.363e8a07@aol.com> I was fondling Aeroclub's F.E.2b, when I discovered that I have 4 left wing "halves"!! What do I do? I don't remember who I ordered this kit from, since it has been awhile. Does Aeroclub have an e-mail or website address available? Will they send me 2 right "halves" on my say-so, or do I send them the extra 2 that I have. The main problem is that I am not sure how to handle this since I am in the U.S. Help, please. TIA, -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:00:23 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: FFF (Fokker Fun Fact) Message-ID: Dave, you've given us more info than when you last posted this on 20 July, AND some specific questions so: > Also quoted in Windsock Datafile 9, is the front line inventory of D > VIIs, (and I have seen these numbers quoted elsewhere). The thing I'm > wondering about is that it lists 19 D.VIIs at the front in > April of 1918. > You would certainly think that MvR's Jasta would be one of > the first to get > these aircraft, but from what I've read MvR only flew the > V.11 (D.VII) at > the fighter competition, but never flew one in active duty. > I guess that > means that all 19 D.VIIs were delivered to the front after > April 21st, or > were delivered to other Jastas. Did MvR fly a service D.VII? > > Any thoughts on this? > Mmm. I recall reading that aircraft at replacement parks were included in front line inventories, which makes me believe that the aircraft were being erected or whatever prior to allocation to Jastas Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 21:09:38 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors Message-ID: <363E9012.EEA@mars.ark.com> Scratchbuilding when I was a teenager was a financial necessity - I didn't have a modelling dad who would/could provide loot (like Mike Fletcher has...). Materials were whatever came to hand (bits of balsa, old pens, plastic packaging material...) and models were built to the scale of the published plans in Air Progress or wherever. I recall building a Comper Swift, a Stinson Reliant, a Dragon Rapide and a Ju 87D Stuka. A lucky birthday or Christmas might bring a kit, such as an ITC steam yacht. All the sprue and the round, break-off number tabs (which became wheels) were carefully salted away for use in future projects. I still salt away plastic and surplus parts (old habits die hard). Then came the Royal Canadian Air Force and pay twice a month, with aircrew allowance one a month! I could buy kits!!! The return to scratchbuilding came out of frustration that what I wanted to build didn't exist! I built a Hawker Sea Fury (Best Naval Aircraft, NOREASTCON, 1980) and then both Falcon and Hobbycraft came out with kits! That is the "Melina Syndrome" - Eddy Melina scratchbuilt a 1/48th scale B-17G right before Monogram released theirs... I retreated to major conversions (Meteor T7 from AMT Mark 1) and then along comes Aeroclub... I seldom build anything out of the box, but I try to be as obscure as possible to protect my ego from the shattering blow of an after-market kit that does things better than I did. Am I alone in believing that the best modeller isn't always the one with the deepest wallet? Buying resin and photo-etched parts makes for nice models, but they don't impress me as much as a scratch-built kit or even 'just' the interior. The most interesting phenomina I have notice over the years is, by the time a modeller has developed sufficient skill to scratchbuild, he (she) has an enormous collection of unbuilt kits waiting in the wings. The end result is a person who has 800 unbuilt kits producing one model per year and that is made from an old Javex bottle and a sheet of Plasticard. So endeth the sermon (oops, did I forget to mention WWI?). Dave Fletcher mdf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 21:22:30 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: F.E.2b Problem Message-ID: <363E9316.75F2@mars.ark.com> REwing@aol.com wrote: "I was fondling Aeroclub's F.E.2b, when I discovered that I have 4 left wing "halves"!!..." I was missing the struts from the Aeroclub (off topic) Avro Tutor and wrote to the gentleman who is the company; I received enough struts that I've used the leftovers on my D.H.10A (got it back to WWI finally...). So, Aeroclub is reliable and backs up their products; although I don't have it, I think I saw a post recently indicating that Aeroclub is now on e-mail, but I don't know about a website. I have the "snail mail" address if you need it. Dave Fletcher mdf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:39:06 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors Message-ID: David ROTFL. many an entertaining truth in this. > I built a Hawker Sea Fury (Best Naval > Aircraft, NOREASTCON, 1980) and then both Falcon and > Hobbycraft came out with kits! You beat me. I built the Hobbycraft kit and detailed the cockpit and exterior, plus folded wings etc. Just before the next big contest a resin detail set was released. One judge commented "New PP Aeroparts detail set is absolutely necessary to make this kit worthwhile" I expect to hear a judge look at the Biff and say "Is that the Aeroclub/Blue Max kit? Not very good is it?" > The most interesting phenomina I have notice over the years is, by the > time a modeller has developed sufficient skill to > scratchbuild, he (she) has an enormous collection of unbuilt kits waiting in the > wings. The end result is a person who has 800 unbuilt kits producing one > model per year and that is made from an old Javex bottle and a sheet of Plasticard. > Through the great drought I built vacforms for want of injection kits, then scratchbuilt for want of the right vacform subject. Now Eduard, BM, Aeroclub, DML, etc. have answered my prayers and I've built about 4 of them since i joined the list. > So endeth the sermon (oops, did I forget to mention WWI?). > Forgiven. Now I've admitted to two off topic models (in the last 6 years !) but at least both were named after a famous identity in WW1 aviation Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 23:35:31 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors Message-ID: <363E9623.5A5C@bellsouth.net> David & Carol Fletcher wrote: (big snip)> > So endeth the sermon (oops, did I forget to mention WWI?). > Dave, A thousand pardons, but, ARE YOU INSANE?/%] Why did you just put in writing, the fate of so many of us, and then post it for the whole world to read, WHERE SPOUSES MIGHT BE READING OVER OUR SHOULDERS? Why not just spill the WHOLE can of worms and tell em that yard work is a form of escapism? :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:40:52 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 7 aircraft Message-ID: <199811030540.VAA14352@ednet1.orednet.org> Bob Pearson writes: >C&C(INT) 25/3 has drawings of the top of Jacobs' D.V and it is in 5 colour >lozenge. It also has drawings of the top surfaces of 450/17 and 470/17, and >they have crosses on all three wings. The photos which appear on page 11 of the Datafile Special show 450/17 with "extra" crosses on the lower wing only. Presumably there are standard insignia on the upper wing (although the photo isn't clear) but the middle wing clearly lacks additional insignia. The other photo on the page shows 470/17 and what is alleged to be 450/17 in an altered paint scheme and both aircraft have the cross insignia only in the standard upper wing location (all white crosses in the case of 470/17). It might be interesting if someone could sort out the sequential history of the various markings and insignia used on these two aircraft. Obviously, they seem to have gone through several incarnations - especially if there photos of yet another incarnation of 450/17 with crosses on all three wings. (Query: How do we know that the various photos represent the same aircraft in different painting schemes rather than two or more completely different aircraft?) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:54:52 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Jasta 7 aircraft Message-ID: <05545220604994@KAIEN.COM> My mistake, I looked at the drawings without reading the fine print (I do take more care when doing profiles - honest). Bill is correct, it is just top and bottom wings that are marked. As for the history of 450/17, Dan-San Abbott probably has done so. Bob ---------- > From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Jasta 7 aircraft > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 00:44:32 -0500 > > > > Bob Pearson writes: > > >C&C(INT) 25/3 has drawings of the top of Jacobs' D.V and it is in 5 colour > >lozenge. It also has drawings of the top surfaces of 450/17 and 470/17, and > >they have crosses on all three wings. > > The photos which appear on page 11 of the Datafile Special show 450/17 > with "extra" crosses on the lower wing only. Presumably there are > standard insignia on the upper wing (although the photo isn't clear) > but the middle wing clearly lacks additional insignia. > > The other photo on the page shows 470/17 and what is alleged to be > 450/17 in an altered paint scheme and both aircraft have the cross > insignia only in the standard upper wing location (all white crosses > in the case of 470/17). > > It might be interesting if someone could sort out the sequential history > of the various markings and insignia used on these two aircraft. Obviously, > they seem to have gone through several incarnations - especially if there > photos of yet another incarnation of 450/17 with crosses on all three wings. > > (Query: How do we know that the various photos represent the same > aircraft in different painting schemes rather than two or more completely > different aircraft?) > > Cheers and all, > > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." > -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 01:20:59 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 7 aircraft Message-ID: <38720255.363ea0cb@aol.com> << C&C(INT) 25/3 has drawings of the top of Jacobs' D.V and it is in 5 colour lozenge. It also has drawings of the top surfaces of 450/17 and 470/17, and they have crosses on all three wings. Regards, Bob Pearson >> Thanks, Bob, for the info. I thought the "Devil's Head" tripe had the crosses only on the top surfaces of the top and bottom wing. Are you saying the middle wing also had crosses on its top surface? Enquiring minds really want to know! -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:28:06 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sunny Queensland : (was Alba. D.III Markings ) Message-ID: Cam, > And i though NJ was bad , went up to Canada after that ice storm earlier this year. Canadians must be made of tougher stuff than brass hahaha. Back to the original ghist , nothing makes me homesick faster than cold , rain and snow. Is that NJ North Jersey, or New Jersey? Know a place [that's "place", not "piece" 80) ]called Beverley? I'm headed there just before Christmas, and I'm not sure where it is. I'd welcome a local opinion 80) >From there I'm off to Montreal for Christmas. > cam ( ex-pat aussie who is envious of the summer in Australia ) No need to be at the moment......it's been howling wind, driving rain, and the thermometer has been lucky to see 20 80( Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:39:36 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Taubes Message-ID: Lorna, > only marked Etrich Taube or Taube and I don't have any info as to > whether this was peculiar to A/H or did Germany have some of these > Taubes as well? Or is the C/A glue finally getting to me > > Any comments would be appreciated "Taube" was a pretty generic sort of name, derived from the wing- shape; though the chief manufacturers were Etrich, Rumpler and L"ohner [probably in that order], the name was also applied to the same type of aircraft from other manufacturers. If would be no surprise if any two Tauben were dissimilar in detail. Most nations, Germany included, had a variety. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:55:14 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Taubes Message-ID: Peter, > I believe that the Taube in Munich is a Rumpler Taube. Correct! Or at least it was the last time I looked at it [1995]. > There is a book on Taubes by (I think) deVries. Yep, it's called "Dove of war", from memory. Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:17:38 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: RE: Windsock rumors Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981103101738.00914140@philonline.com.ph> Hi Shane, >> >Also received the LVG C.V datafile which inspires me to buy >> one of Bob Norgrens vacs (if still available). >> >> I think he only did it in 1/72. > >The Datafile says that he made both. OTOH I don't recall having seen the >1/48 kit listed and it's not amongst the still available ones. The Datafile may be off on this one unless Bob made it in 1/48 and stopped doing so about 2.5 years ago when I learned about Sierra vacs. Highly unlikely, there's no reason for him to stop producing it if he had it. >> >AND I received the Biff Volume 2. >> >Not. Also includes the late war marks, Mark IV, Arab ..... (snip) >Lovely cover painting, very colourful. Drawings of the structure... (snip) NOW YOU'VE DONE IT! I have to start my Biff Vol.2 mantra. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:54:56 +-100 From: Tomasz Gronczewski To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: First appearance Message-ID: <01BE0707.A1AA2340@loopback> Hello group; I have just joined The mailing list so I would like to present myself: name: Tom Gronczewski adress: Poland e-mail: t.gronczewski@ecb.com.pl age: 30 modelling career: since late 70s special interest: ww2 aces, and lately ww1 aces, interwar aces beloved scale: 1/48 (only) recent built: Gentzen's Bf 109D (Techmod/Hobbycraft), Baeumer's Fokker Dr I from Jasta 2 (Dragon+AMD) now building: Udet's SSW DIII (Eduard) next up: Neale's P-40B (Hobbycraft+AMD), Nungessers' or Fullard's NXVII (Eduard) Cheers Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:00:52 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: First appearance Message-ID: <000701be0700$13b25000$91107482@robertw-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> Greetings Tom, Let me try and be the first to welcome you to the list. I'm sure that you'll enjoy the conversations from this very knowledgeable group. Cheers, Rob (From Australia) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1272 **********************