WWI Digest 1271 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Jasta 7 aircraft by Rick Milas 2) Bob's tail skid wasRe: Alba. D.III Markings by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: Taubes by fedders 4) Re: Q: Blaue Maus Colour by Matthew Zivich 5) ALPS Printers by Modelhound@aol.com 6) Re: ALPS Printers by Ernest Thomas 7) Apology by Geoff Smith 8) Re: ALPS Printers by KarrArt@aol.com 9) RE: Veltjens a/c by Shane Weier 10) Degelow WAS: (RE: Jasta 7 aircraft) by Shane Weier 11) Re: Apology by Ernest Thomas 12) Re: Degelow WAS: (RE: Jasta 7 aircraft) by Bob Pearson 13) RE: Degelow WAS: (RE: Jasta 7 aircraft) by Shane Weier 14) Windsock rumors by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 15) Re: Jasta 7 aircraft by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 16) RE: Windsock rumors by Shane Weier 17) Re: Windsock rumors by BStett3770@aol.com 18) Re: yet another update to my site. . by Mike Fletcher 19) Re: Jasta 7 aircraft by REwing@aol.com 20) Early Albatros DIII Markings by "Charles or Linda Duckworth" 21) RE: Windsock rumors by Joey Valenciano 22) Re: Windsock extras by r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) 23) Re: yet another update to my site. . by KarrArt@aol.com 24) Re: Windsock rumors by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: Windsock rumors by "Steven M. Perry" 26) RE: Windsock rumors by Shane Weier 27) Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors by Shane Weier 28) Re: yet another update to my site. . by Mike Fletcher 29) Toko Nie.11 by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 30) Re: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors by KarrArt@aol.com 31) Re: yet another update to my site. . by KarrArt@aol.com 32) Re: Taubes by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:08:07 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Milas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Jasta 7 aircraft Message-ID: Bob, Thanks so much for the info on Jasta 7 and Jacobs' aircraft. Was Jacobs the only one to fly a triplane in Jasta 7? If I were to build a model of an Albatros DV or Pfalz DIII for Jasta 7 would I paint them black? Thanks again, Rick M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:20:15 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Bob's tail skid wasRe: Alba. D.III Markings Message-ID: <438d84a2.363e05ef@aol.com> In a message dated 11/1/98 7:04:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << > Yeah, I agree- do we really need to know if he has a bungee-sprung tail skid? Now that's an image I didn't need in my head. E. >> I agree. I think I've horrified myself and now I'm haunted by the mental picture. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:44:54 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Taubes Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Shane & Lorna Jenkins wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Can anyone of you learned people out there (grovel, grovel) please > clarify something for me. According to most information that I have, the > Lohner built Etrich Taubes used by A/H in forming the basis of the > airforce were built as per the example seen in the Deutsches Museum in > Munich. I believe that the Taube in Munich is a Rumpler Taube. Actually there are many different Taubes although Etrich invented the aircraft and probably more Rumplers were made than Etrichs. Due to a quirk, Etrich could not patent the Taube in Germany There is a book on Taubes by (I think) deVries. This is a rather complets story. paf > > However, I have seen photos of Tauben which have four wheels and a > markedly different undercarriage structure plus the radiator? mounted > above the cockpit. Was this a new design or a modification done at the > Fischamend works in order to improve stability and range? The photos are > only marked Etrich Taube or Taube and I don't have any info as to > whether this was peculiar to A/H or did Germany have some of these > Taubes as well? Or is the C/A glue finally getting to me > > Any comments would be appreciated > > TIA Lorna > > BTW: Went to the 50th Anniversary Fleet Air Arm show at HMAS Albatros > yesterday. Just love to see those pilots in action. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:48:36 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Q: Blaue Maus Colour Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Nov 1998 infosilver@czechia.com wrote: > Hi all, > > just started building Albatros D.III in H. Frommherz's colours (the first > 1/48 WWI kit after about 20 years gap from slapping together Smer Camels > and SE5s) and I'd like to hear your opinions on blue colour shade. The > instructions call for Humbrol 109 (German WWI light blue), but it seems > too dark for me. > > TIA > > Ivan Subrt > > I just got my kit and noticed the suggested Humbrol 109 too. I have that color and I felt most modellers would question it. The intensity of blue is so strong I've opted for a paler shade also from Humbrol on other models. I thought it might be a weathered hue, but I doubt if the other colors are supposed to be weathered and it wouldn't get more intense in hue. (?) Also the wiring diagram is vague on this kit and the Alb Dr I. For the D-3 it seems the rigging from the upper wing vee-struts to the lower fuselage are actually entering the wings near the stubs, whereas these wires, along with the wires descending from the cabane struts should enter the fuselage just above the wing entry point. On the Alb. Dr I what kind of Rube Goldberg system is used to activate the wing ailerons? I can see the aileron struts, similar to the Brit's system of using wire from upper to lower ailerons, but are there horns on the upper wing, lower wing like a DV's upper wing including control wires from fuselage to upper wing? Also the diagram shows wires descending from both sides of the 2 upper wings and converging in a V shape at the upper center of the lowest wing. That would be under the fuselage since this wing is a "floating" wing. Is this a correct reading here? Matt Z. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:51:06 EST From: Modelhound@aol.com To: wwi Subject: ALPS Printers Message-ID: <418ace4d.363e0d2a@aol.com> Well, much to my surprise, the ALPS MD-1000 refurbished printer that I ordered on Friday arrived at my place today, Monday. Looks good in the box. It comes complete with a warranty and all documentation and instructions. Over the next few days I'm gonna try and figure out how to print some decals. If anybody has any experience, hints, help, and or questions I'll be glad to correspond off list. And, unless I am told to shut up about this, I will keep the list posted as to my progress, just in case anyone else is thinking of going down this road. I am truly jazzed about the possibilities here. Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA modelhound@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:27:50 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: ALPS Printers Message-ID: <363E15C6.2BA@bellsouth.net> Modelhound@aol.com wrote: > I am truly jazzed about the possibilities here. But will you take requests? /%] E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:51:40 +0000 From: Geoff Smith To: wwi Subject: Apology Message-ID: <363E1B5C.47FC@cwcom.net> Dear All, Several weeks ago, I promised to try to visit the UK Nats & collect a Matador catalogue for scanning & onward transmission. Fate intervened in the form of my wife being rushed into hospital the Monday night before, allowed to escape 2 days later and then dragged kicking & screaming back in 24 hours after that with a relapse. All seems well now, but it meant that I didn't get anywhere near the Nats. So my apologies to the armour guys. Now, I've got 17 digests to catch up on in between bring me, fetch me, from the invalid. (who didn't lose her voice):-( Regards to all, I'll be back. Geoff. PS Bob, on an initial quick look, you site looks pretty damn good. Looking forward to time to peruse at leisure. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:49:12 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: ALPS Printers Message-ID: In a message dated 11/2/98 11:58:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, Modelhound@aol.com writes: << Well, much to my surprise, the ALPS MD-1000 refurbished printer that I ordered on Friday arrived at my place today, Monday....... Over the next few days I'm gonna try and figure out how to print some decals. If anybody has any experience, hints, help, and or questions I'll be glad to correspond off list. And, unless I am told to shut up about this, I will keep the list posted as to my progress, just in case anyone else is thinking of going down this road. .......... Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA modelhound@aol.com >> By all means let us know how the thing works! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 07:49:56 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Veltjens a/c Message-ID: Al, > Does anyone have info on Veltjen's a/c? In particular, what flavour of > Fokker D.VII (with the winged heart) did he fly - Fokker, > Albatros, OAW? > Also, I have seen artwork, can't remember by whom, with an > SSW D.III or IV with this winged insignia. ANy idea if this is accurate? > Al > Americals lovely JGII Jasta 15 booklet shows Ltn Josef Veltjens aircraft #9 Albatros D.V (red/blue/light blue underbelly) #27 SSW D.III *BUT* Glen Merrill notes that the profile is based on the fact that it is known that Jasta 15 was "almost entirely" equipped with them" at one stage in 1918 and all their famous pilots flew them. There is a written report of JV flying one #31 Fokker D.VII (Fokker built) Notes say that it had the usual red/blue fuselage, all red struts and wheel covers, and two white stripes fore and aft on the tailplane. Propellor was a Wotan (not a Garuda, as almost all kits provide). Also says that the winged arrow is subtly different from the Albatros (the SSW one is speculative) Decal sheet includes all three versions IIRC. And while on the subject of this set, it includes markings for 40 aircraft, including Udet,Gontermann, Monnington, Veltjens, Turck, Beaulieu-Marconnay, Berthold, vn Buttlar, von Hantelmann, nd a number of less well known pilots. (You are lucky I had this source with me - next up after the Biff is Monningtons D.V) Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 07:55:07 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Degelow WAS: (RE: Jasta 7 aircraft) Message-ID: Bob says (intriguingly) > Additionally GVW now believes that > Degelow's overall > black, stag marked Pfalz D.III was in fact flown at Js.7, not > Js.40. Please, please pleeeaaase tell me you can point me at a photo of this aircraft. I have seen and modelled his black fuselage and stag on the Fokker D.VII, but would *love* to do it again if it was on a Pfalz D.III (it *is* a D.III, and not a D.IIIa ?) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:52:10 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Apology Message-ID: <363E298A.539B@bellsouth.net> Geoff Smith wrote> > Now, I've got 17 digests to catch up on in between bring me, fetch me, > from the invalid. (who didn't lose her voice):-( > > Regards to all, I'll be back. > Regards to you and your missus. Hope all is well soon. E. > Geoff. > > PS Bob, on an initial quick look, you site looks pretty damn good. > Looking forward to time to peruse at leisure. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:01:30 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Degelow WAS: (RE: Jasta 7 aircraft) Message-ID: <22013004603808@KAIEN.COM> Oops .. it is a D.IIIa .. . I have two photos of it, both pretty poor and showing it to be broken on its back. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page http://www.kaien.com/~bpearson/Index.htm ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Degelow WAS: (RE: Jasta 7 aircraft) > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:54:58 -0500 > > Bob says (intriguingly) > > > Additionally GVW now believes that > > Degelow's overall > > black, stag marked Pfalz D.III was in fact flown at Js.7, not > > Js.40. > > Please, please pleeeaaase tell me you can point me at a photo of this > aircraft. I have seen and modelled his black fuselage and stag on the > Fokker D.VII, but would *love* to do it again if it was on a Pfalz D.III > (it *is* a D.III, and not a D.IIIa ?) > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:25:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Degelow WAS: (RE: Jasta 7 aircraft) Message-ID: Bob, > Oops .. it is a D.IIIa .. . I have two photos of it, both > pretty poor and showing it to be broken on its back. > :-( Rats.... Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:06:59 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Windsock rumors Message-ID: <19981102.170700.-916583.2.mbittner@juno.com> Just received the Sep/Oct issue of Windsock. In the review for the Hawkeye Dr.I, he mentiones two "rumors": That Hawkeye is planning on a D.VII, and a *Nieuport 17*!!! Awesome... HOWEVER, this reminds me - Barry, are you planning on re-releasing your Nieuport 17 resin? Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:03:50 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 7 aircraft Message-ID: <19981102.170700.-916583.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:18:37 -0500 Rick Milas writes: >I recently looked over Bob Pearson's profile page, the profiles are >great >and really helpful to modelers. Looing at the Jasta 7 profiles >reminded >me of a question I needed to ask. What type of aircraft did Jasta 7 >operate during April and May of 1918? While I'm at it, two more >questions. Were they black or mostly black? Also, how long did the >devil's head remain on Jacob's aircraft? Some sources indicate that >by >the end of the war it had been painted out. Does anyone know when >this >happened? Thanks. Sorry I deleted the other message. The really *cool* thing about Jacobs' D.V is the *overall* scheme. With Bob's wonderful portrait, you only see the side. The top is where it's at. Lozenge wings (I can't remember if it's four or five) with *four* crosses on the top wing. The black with the lozenge really must look awesome. One of these days a Pegasus will be built...one of these days... Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:33:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Windsock rumors Message-ID: Matt, > Just received the Sep/Oct issue of Windsock. In the review for the > Hawkeye Dr.I, he mentiones two "rumors": That Hawkeye is > planning on a > D.VII, and a *Nieuport 17*!!! > Yeerrrs. I saw all that too. A bit ho-hum (okay, 66.6% ho-hum) ;-) I also read the Aeroclub Biff review. Pfaugh. The damn thing looks quite nice, meaning better than mine. Rats. Also received the LVG C.V datafile which inspires me to buy one of Bob Norgrens vacs (if still available). AND I received the Biff Volume 2. Frankly, *it* inspires me to send Mr Rimmell a small brown paper parcel containing semtex and an igniting device :-| Why is it one of modellings incontrivertible laws that the perfect photo, plan or profile always appears the day you finish something. Okay, so I managed to find out the hinge locations thanks to Robert Karr, and other details via other list members, but does Rimmell *have* to rub it in by including each and every item I had a long search fro in one handy dandy volume. I recommend this volume to anyone who like the late model Biffs. Me - as of the end of this week, no longer give a .... ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:57:14 EST From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock rumors Message-ID: <3870cb8c.363e46da@aol.com> In a message dated 98-11-02 18:12:45 EST, you write: << HOWEVER, this reminds me - Barry, are you planning on re-releasing your Nieuport 17 resin? >> We did a Nieuport 11 not 17, but no not ganna re-issue it with the Toko kit out. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:28:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: yet another update to my site. . Message-ID: Happy Birthday - I just had a birthday also (30th) No subpeonas - got a zip drive though Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:30:22 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 7 aircraft Message-ID: <7d6edbfe.363e4e9e@aol.com> << The really *cool* thing about Jacobs' D.V is the *overall* scheme. With Bob's wonderful portrait, you only see the side. The top is where it's at. Lozenge wings (I can't remember if it's four or five) with *four* crosses on the top wing. >> Is there a reference to the four crosses? Where were the inner ones located? After seeing Bob's profile (THANKS BOB!!), I got really interested in this plane. So if anyone can guide me to a book or magazine where they show the crosses, I would be very greatful. TIA -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:59:24 -0600 From: "Charles or Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: Early Albatros DIII Markings Message-ID: <199811030055.SAA03510@mail.primary.net> Since the Eduard DIII has the centered radiator (which covers D.1940/16 through D.2199/17) I've been flipping through books looking at various schemes. Rimmel advises in the Albatros Fighter Special the first 500 delivered before April 1917 would have green/brown wings. While watching 'Bloody April' in the 'Four Years of Thunder' tape I noticed part of the a film where it shows Albatros fighters being constructed with a closing sequence of several D.III taxing in front of the camera. All of the D.III in this 'PR takeoff' had the national insignia painted on large white fields in the same manner as the D.I and D.II. There's only one photo (26) I could find in 'WWI in the Air' with a black and white 'X' as the pilot's marking on the fuselage. Any idea how many early D.III's were finished in the manner? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 08:55:20 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: RE: Windsock rumors Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981103085520.0090a7b0@philonline.com.ph> Shane, >Also received the LVG C.V datafile which inspires me to buy one of Bob >Norgrens vacs (if still available). I think he only did it in 1/72. >AND I received the Biff Volume 2. Is this only post WWI Biffs or not? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:20:12 EST From: r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock extras Message-ID: <19981102.171912.9231.0.r_niles@juno.com> On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:23:23 -0500 Crofoot writes: > >Was going through my Windsocks yesterday and discovered that I had a >couple >of extra issues that I don't need. If anyone is interested, I have >Volume >7, #1, 1991 and Volume 8, #6, 1992. >I would entertain trade offers of will sell. I'm particularly >interested >in Windsock issues from volume 13, 1997. > >Later, > >Tim > Tim What woul dyou want for these two issues? Russ NIles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles....switching to guns. r_niles@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:22:27 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: yet another update to my site. . Message-ID: <379d8d19.363e5ad3@aol.com> In a message dated 11/2/98 4:30:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, mdf@mars.ark.com writes: << Happy Birthday - I just had a birthday also (30th) No subpeonas - got a zip drive though Mike Fletcher >> I hate you! Jeez, in '68 I was scratchbuilding a 9/16"=1' Roland C II (the odd scale matched the Guillow Pfalz D III) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:22:26 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock rumors Message-ID: In a message dated 11/2/98 3:31:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << but does Rimmell *have* to rub it in by including each and every item I had a long search fro in one handy dandy volume. >> I think it's a law- providers of modeling research are required to release new and exciting information the moment it can't be used. Kit makers on the other hand, I think are more compelled by evil joy when they release some long desired model after a demented scratchbuilder has poured his heart and life into a project. Robert K. ( waiting for a 1/48 0/400 kit sometime) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:39:59 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock rumors Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981102203959.008eb59c@pop.mindspring.com> At 08:36 PM 11/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/2/98 3:31:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, >sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: > ><< but does Rimmell > *have* to rub it in by including each and every item I had a long search > fro in one handy dandy volume. >> > >I think it's a law- providers of modeling research are required to release new >and exciting information the moment it can't be used. Kit makers on the other >hand, I think are more compelled by evil joy when they release some long >desired model after a demented scratchbuilder has poured his heart and life >into a project. >Robert K. ( waiting for a 1/48 0/400 kit sometime) Don't forget to give due credit to the psychic powers of the local hobby shop owner who invariably gets in that long desired kit exactly when the household finances can least afford it. sp > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:56:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Windsock rumors Message-ID: Joey, > >Also received the LVG C.V datafile which inspires me to buy > one of Bob > >Norgrens vacs (if still available). > > I think he only did it in 1/72. > The Datafile says that he made both. OTOH I don't recall having seen the 1/48 kit listed and it's not amongst the still available ones. > >AND I received the Biff Volume 2. > > Is this only post WWI Biffs or not? > Not. Also includes the late war marks, Mark IV, Arab and other engines etc. Plenty of civvy aircraft too including the exceedingly ugly tourers used in Australia by Charles Kingsford Smith and others Lovely cover painting, very colourful. Drawings of the structure (my own drawings, drafted to build the fuselage interior and engine bearers on *that* model match to within 0.5mm in every dimesion. Thank God, the micrometer brigade get foiled for once ! Also parts catalogue drawings extracts and the like. Just what I needed 3 1/2 years ago in fact. Mumble grumble. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:10:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors Message-ID: Robert, > I think it's a law- providers of modeling research are > required to release new and exciting information the moment it can't be used. Kit > makers on the other hand, I think are more compelled by evil joy when they > release some long desired model after a demented scratchbuilder has poured his > heart and life into a project. > Robert K. ( waiting for a 1/48 0/400 kit sometime) > I can accept being labelled "demented" when the comment comes from another of the afflicted. I've been thinking about this a little, since I've penned (typed?) a paragraph on my motivation for completing the Biff (despite the release of two kits) as part of an article for an internet publication I can no longer access. It seems to me that there is great value in scratchbuilding - even if a kit *is* available - because it forces you to improvise, learn and relearn techniques and indulge in all sorts of miniature skullduggery in order to complete the model. I can't think of a better way to develop skills for building kits at any level from OoB to superdetailed, modified and converted. Nor have I *ever* had greater satisfaction from a model than from the half dozen scratchbuilds I've made since Harry Woodman and the late and sadly missed Geoff Prentice convinced me that a) Vacforms are easier than fixing bad injection kits b) if you can fix bad injection kits and build vacforms, you can scratchbuild. Of all the enjoyment I've had out of 35 years of modelling, the greatest has been recognising that I (and anyone else) don't have to be a "expert" modeller with vast skills to gain the self satisfaction of knowing "I did it all". The key (for me) is actually persistence, and recognising that if I take pleasure in the *act* of building and not just in the finished model, even failed attempts can be enjoyable experiences. Now sit back folks, 'cos within days you get to see one of my failed attempts :-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: yet another update to my site. . Message-ID: actually I wasn't around until '69 didn't build my first ww1 aircraft until late '70s Mike Fletcher On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/2/98 4:30:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, mdf@mars.ark.com > writes: > > << Happy Birthday - I just had a birthday also (30th) > No subpeonas - got a zip drive though > > Mike Fletcher >> > > I hate you! Jeez, in '68 I was scratchbuilding a 9/16"=1' Roland C II (the odd > scale matched the Guillow Pfalz D III) > Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:20:06 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Toko Nie.11 Message-ID: <19981102.202016.-839993.1.mbittner@juno.com> Well, after all that trouble... Thanks to Ray in the latest issue of Windsock, he helps out with the Toko Nie.11 upper wing. Cripes. I am such an idiot. All you have to do is cut the wing in half and add sweepback - just like the Revell Nie.17. Actually, Ray found a lot of similarites between the Revell and Toko kit. Interesting. And here I started adding a leading edge to one of those wings...cripes... Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:28:49 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding: WAS: Windsock rumors Message-ID: In a message dated 11/2/98 6:09:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Robert K. ( waiting for a 1/48 0/400 kit sometime) > I can accept being labelled "demented" when the comment comes from another of the afflicted.>> I recognised the symptoms within days of joining the list last year! <> I, for one, can't wait to see your "failure"! It's kind of difficult to explain the allure of scratchbuilding. I didn't wake up one day and say to myself "I shall commence producing miniatures from scratch". I was just a kid who wanted the something the market didn't offer at the time. It was direct- "I want to see a model of this, guess I'll have to make it myself"". A little 7th grade (age 12-13) drafting and I was on my way. I still but a lot of kits, but I always never seem to get around to them. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:28:50 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: yet another update to my site. . Message-ID: <856400aa.363e6a62@aol.com> In a message dated 11/2/98 6:21:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, mdf@mars.ark.com writes: << actually I wasn't around until '69 didn't build my first ww1 aircraft until late '70s Mike Fletcher >> So notated! RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:28:46 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Taubes Message-ID: In a message dated 11/2/98 8:09:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, sljenkins@tac.com.au writes: << However, I have seen photos of Tauben which have four wheels and a markedly different undercarriage structure plus the radiator? mounted above the cockpit. Was this a new design or a modification done at the Fischamend works in order to improve stability and range? The photos are only marked Etrich Taube or Taube and I don't have any info as to whether this was peculiar to A/H or did Germany have some of these Taubes as well? Or is the C/A glue finally getting to me Any comments would be appreciated TIA Lorna>> I'm digging through the book ( THE book on Tauben)by John deVries as I write- . There were 102 documented Austrian built machines- 92 for the army, one for the Navy and 9 civilian. there were seven series- "A"- "G". The book has two photos in the Austrian Lohner section with the type of landing gear you describe, and the author admits that all designations are confusing because in addition to "series", they were also divided into "types"- I quote "Unfortunatly there is no correlation between "Types" and "Series" among the early Lohner-Etrich Taubes". The four wheeled jobs MAY be series"F" BTW, Lohner built a one-off for the British Royal Navy, designation R.N.# 9, powered by a 65hp Austro-Daimler. Leafing through the book, there are several styles of 4-wheelers, a few tricycles. The variety of Tauben is almost painful in its profusion! If you like these airplanes- track down a copy of this book! Taube, Dove of War by Col. John A. deVries Robert K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1271 **********************