WWI Digest 1263 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others by Allred240Z@aol.com 2) RE: Canvas by Shane Weier 3) Albatros D.V (Kurt Monnington) and flame camo by Shane Weier 4) RE: by Shane Weier 5) Re: Canvas by Mike Fletcher 6) Re: Canvas by Mike Fletcher 7) RE: Canvas by Shane Weier 8) RE: Canvas by "Douglas R. Jones" 9) Re: Le Cigognes Decals by "Jim Lyzun" 10) Re: Canvas by "Lee Mensinger" 11) Re: Canvas by Don Rinker 12) Re: Canvas by Don Rinker 13) Re: Emhar Mk IV by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: UK Nats by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: OFF-TOPIC: AMT/ERTL Hs129 by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: Dawn Patrol Rendezvous by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re: Canvas by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998 by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998 by "David R.L. Laws" 20) Re: UK Nats - Eduard Albatros. by "Sandy Adam" 21) Re: Jenny Pics by r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) 22) Flashback Strutter IBR by Shane Weier 23) Re: Flashback Strutter IBR by Bob Pearson 24) Re: Albatros D.V (Kurt Monnington) and flame camo by Bob Pearson 25) RE: Albatros D.V (Kurt Monnington) and flame camo by Shane Weier 26) New Eduards by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 27) Re: Canvas by David & Carol Fletcher 28) RE: New Eduards by Shane Weier 29) Re: Hansa Brandenburg KDW Star strutter Floatplane by "David R.L. Laws" 30) Re: Blue Max DH2 by DavidL1217@aol.com 31) Re: Jenny Pics by Ernest Thomas 32) Re: by Ernest Thomas 33) Re: Skybirds 86 by DavidL1217@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:00:18 EST From: Allred240Z@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others Message-ID: <3a9a4f9f.3634f0f2@aol.com> I'm interested as well. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:30:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Canvas Message-ID: Cam, > am wondering if there is someone who still makes the > canvas that was on ww1 aircraft. If so , does anyone have a > contact address or number? > Linen. FINE linen too, definitely nothing so heavy or crude as canvas. It was certainly available until recently for just the same purpose as it was used way back then (there are still fabric covered aircraft!), and almost certainly still is available Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:34:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Albatros D.V (Kurt Monnington) and flame camo Message-ID: Hi all, I am almost ready for a change of scenery and looking for a scheme for an Albatros D.V . Americals Jasta 15 sheet has markings for an aircraft ascribed to Kurt Monnington which is described as having "flame camouflage", with a white belly band (later bordered black) over which is superimposed an ivory skull and cross bones. Aircraft has a black spinner. "Flame Camouflage" is described in the following fashion "The bellies and sides of the aircraft were painted a solid light colour" From tonal values and paints available we suspect this was undersurface blue, approximately 22A3. Over this the upper and (partially) side surfaces were painted a dark colour, probably green. Solid on top, this became less so on the fuselage sides as brush strokes, angled down and to the rear, were feathered and painted out ending in paint poor pointed streaks that strongly resemble flames" There is a second aircraft, pilot unknown, with the same "flame cam" but with a black belly band bordered white, and a stylised "M" over a bird in flight. If anyone knows where I can see a photo of either of these machines I'd be grateful, principally so I can get the size and number of "flames" somewhere near correct. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:36:06 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Message-ID: Matt, > I've been off-list for awhile but wanted to check to see if any new > aircraft (1:48) has hit the market. Does anyone know if Eduard has > released anything new since the Alb. Dr. I? > Yup 1/48 Albatros D.III 1/72 Voisin III Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:49:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Canvas Message-ID: the short answer is no. The original covering was pillowcase grade irish linen, (on British Aircraft anyway) that had not been bleached. Tapes were made from bolts that were missing threads every few inches so as to be easily separateable into prefrayed strips. Dying bleached linen may be an option, or a special order through one of the smaller linen factories. There is a company that makes small batches (50 at a time?) of period tyres, so getting a linen company to do something similar may be possible. Mike Fletcher On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, cameron rile wrote: > hi all, > > am wondering if there is someone who still makes the canvas that was on ww1 aircraft. If so , does anyone have a contact address or number? > > cam > > > Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:52:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Canvas Message-ID: The material used on many modern aircraft is dacron which I belive is a synthetic product that is lighter, stronger and less prone to enviromental damage. Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:10:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Canvas Message-ID: Mike, > The material used on many modern aircraft is dacron which I > belive is a > synthetic product that is lighter, stronger and less prone to > enviromental > damage. > I bow to your more recent knowledge. My "recently available " meant when I was still in the Army, which (ahem) is actually a rather long while back (20 years !). nevertheless, I bet you can get fine linen, though if you want unbleaced you *may* have to go to a mill. OTOH, clothing designers use some odd materials, and unbleached linen may still be one of them (perhaps not aircraft grade ! Is Cam about to build a replica Biff ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:54:40 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi Subject: RE: Canvas Message-ID: <4.1.19981026165358.00a7fd60@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 05:30 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >Linen. FINE linen too, definitely nothing so heavy or crude as canvas. >It was certainly available until recently for just the same purpose as >it was used way back then (there are still fabric covered aircraft!), >and almost certainly still is available Try Aircraft, Spruce and Supply. They should carry it. hey have a web page, just not sure of the URL. Sorry. Doug ---------------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (214)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:24:24 -0500 From: "Jim Lyzun" To: wwi Subject: Re: Le Cigognes Decals Message-ID: <363504A8.216F@baynet.net> > If it was you Jim, did you get in touch with them? Had you any answer? I did reach them (him) but the address was different. I'll dig it up shortly and post it. Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:24:46 -0600 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi, cameron@prontomail.com Subject: Re: Canvas Message-ID: <363504BD.195952B1@wireweb.net> Cam, All the people I know about no longer use the old stuff for re-building old planes or restoring those that need it. Standard fare now days is Dacron and I don't think there would be a market for the stuff since it doesn't come even a bit close to the durability of the new stuff. While it might be nice as a collectable the market would be small to non-existant. Vintage Aviation Historical Foundation uses nothihng else. The 1909 Bleriot and the 1910 "Boxkite" and the others are all Dacron. The Lozenge stuff on the E-V is the only one I am not sure of. It came from Berlin a year or so back. I'll try to find out. Lee cameron rile wrote: > hi all, > > am wondering if there is someone who still makes the canvas that was on ww1 aircraft. If so , does anyone have a contact address or number? > > cam > > Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:29:08 -0500 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: Canvas Message-ID: <363505C4.82E49409@rcn.com> The big favorite right now is the STITS covering system. This is a complete covering and finishing system that wears like iron. In practice it's a bit like doing a huge model airplane. An adhesive, sealer product is painted onto the frame , then the fabric is placed on after the sealer is dry. The fabric is then ironed on and the sealer melts and glues the fabric to the frame. You still need to dorib tapes and sew the rib stitch, but then paint on more glue sealer and add the rib tapes. THey have a whole line of fabric sealer and paints too. We just finished up a Citabria using this system early this summer. Three guys; whole plane, two days.... THe next weekend two other guys did the base color coat. The whole process is sort of like the Coverite or monokote products sold for RC airplane use. Stits even has a special line just for RC now.. Mike Fletcher wrote: > > The material used on many modern aircraft is dacron which I belive is a > synthetic product that is lighter, stronger and less prone to enviromental > damage. > > Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:33:59 -0500 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: Canvas Message-ID: <363506E7.91FE820E@rcn.com> I do know that the prewar builders experimented with many different types of fabrics. Most of the early stuff, even up to the Bristol Bullet fighter look really "white" in the photos. Same with the bleriot, Hanriot, Burgess, and many others. I've always assumed this was either a finer grade of linen, possibly bleached, or a white cotton or similar. There seems to be a definite change in color around 1916 to a more light beige color traditionally associated with a CDL finish. Shane Weier wrote: > > Cam, > > > am wondering if there is someone who still makes the > > canvas that was on ww1 aircraft. If so , does anyone have a > > contact address or number? > > > > Linen. FINE linen too, definitely nothing so heavy or crude as canvas. > It was certainly available until recently for just the same purpose as > it was used way back then (there are still fabric covered aircraft!), > and almost certainly still is available > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:25:15 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Emhar Mk IV Message-ID: <6ef529c7.363504db@aol.com> In a message dated 10/26/98 10:13:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, smperry@mindspring.com writes: << Some months back there was some interest in a kit review in FSM of the Emhar Mk IV WWI tank. I ran across that article recently. If anyone is still looking for it, give me a shout Off-List. The same issue has an article on converting Lindberg Jenny kits to a Curtiss N-9H floatplane. I'm currently attempting this and so far it's a fun project. This was a hot issue list wise (7/93) as there is also a photo of a figure by Robert Karr in addition to the two WWI articles. sp >> AND the WW I tank was on the COVER! ( and the off topic R.K.figure has since been reworked and modified) Robert Karr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:25:17 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: UK Nats Message-ID: <12277247.363504dd@aol.com> In a message dated 10/26/98 1:55:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, cbbs@almac.co.uk writes: << deep all day with people staring open-mouthed. Lots more - no space. I took some pictures, so I'll see if they turn out OK and worth showing if anyone's interested. Sandy >> Always interested in shots of good models! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:25:40 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: AMT/ERTL Hs129 Message-ID: <58fc8347.363504f4@aol.com> In a message dated 98-10-16 19:18:06 EDT, bpearson@kaien.com writes: << Greetings all, A few years ago I picked up the AMT/ERTL Hs129 and while playing with the pieces the other night I realised it never came with it's marking sheet. Would any of you have one you could scan for me. Thanks, Bob >> Do you still need this? Today I'm trying to play catch up with life itself. I've got this kit buried somewhere, so if you still have a hankerin'- let me know and I'll try to dig it out. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:25:20 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Dawn Patrol Rendezvous Message-ID: In a message dated 10/25/98 12:13:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, davew@wattstrainshop.com writes: << Did anyone have a chance to make it over to Dayton for the flyin? We had a good turnout, about 14,000 spectators, 20 aircraft; (full scale;2 Fok.Dr.I's, one flown with a rotary, Sopwith Triplane, statically runup with a rotary, Sopwith Pup, flown with a rotary, and the rest being 7/8ths or smaller airworthy ships), and probably 40 R/C aircraft (I didn't get a actual head count, some of these were really excellent, one of the Dr.I's put the "real" full scale ones to shame), a good group of reenactors, and a excellent group of vendors. Best to All, Dave Watts >> Sounds like fun. I've only seen (and heard) a real rotary running once.( say those last four words out loud as fast as you can!) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:25:22 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Canvas Message-ID: <6940f2c7.363504e2@aol.com> In a message dated 10/26/98 2:01:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, cameron@prontomail.com writes: << hi all, am wondering if there is someone who still makes the canvas that was on ww1 aircraft. If so , does anyone have a contact address or number? cam >> Not really answering your question, but WW I fabric itself is a big subject- mostly linen, some cotton, different weights, varying thread counts. "Canvas" may not be the best word to describe this fabric- it implies the heavy material that tarps are made from or artists paint on. Way too heavy. It seems like most of the modern repro- replica- restoration people use cotton. There's always adverts in mags like WW I Aero or the EAA publications for the stuff. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:25:27 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998 Message-ID: <73349cc7.363504e7@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/98 11:14:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bshatzer@orednet.org writes: << Robert K writes: > >In a message dated 10/22/98 10:16:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >bshatzer@orednet.org writes: > SFAIK, the 5-color (colour?) was confined solely to SPAD 13s and was not > used on any SPAD 7s - British or French. British-built SPAD 7s were > finished in PC-10 while French-built examples were in standard French > yellow finish. >Nope- I waded through a bunch of 5 color SPAD VIIs when scratch building one >once upon a time- all late production models. VERY late production, I assume? Ah, well, that is what makes this hobby fun. You can continue to learn something all the time. A reference to your source of "a bunch of 5 color SPAD VIIs" would be appreciated. Where do these photos reside? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org>> Several books and magazines have a picture here and a picture there.The old AirCam booklet has a great shot of an up-ended VII showing the black "footprint" in all its glory. Also, various old C&C US issues. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:13:47 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998 Message-ID: <36359CDB.8F0@webtime.com.au> For those of you wanting to play with words or just get a translation for a pesky term in French, Russian or even Urdu ! try .... http://www.public.iastate.edu/~pedro/dictionaries.html There's also a worthwhile Linguistics link here as well REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:30:27 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: UK Nats - Eduard Albatros. Message-ID: <199810270031.AAA19189@beryl.sol.co.uk> I forgot to mention that the Eduard Albatros D.III and Voisin and the 2 Flashback Sopwith Strutters were in plentiful evidence on sale at Telford. On Saturday morning Hannants had a pile of about 60 of each on one of their counters - by Sunday afternoon these piles were gratifyingly small. I found a nice small trader who agreed that buying 4 Albatroses warranted a substantial discount! You've probably seen Ivan's Alb in-box pictures but I can confirm that the initial impressions are excellent - the dry fit of the major parts is as good as anything I've seen - the way the tailplane snugly clunks onto the rear fuselage is very satisying. Its been a long wait but I think well worth it. I'll leave it someone more steeped in Albatros lore to say how accurate it is - but looks great to me. BTW I also picked up a cracking Czech book on the Alb OEF series machines published by JaPo by a chap called Petr Tesar (I think - haven't got it beside me) This was only 10GBP and stuffed with photos and colour views of all series of machines. Big value for money - high quality, comprehensive photo coverage and in English. I'm sure Ivan could probably source this? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:41:19 EST From: r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) To: wwi Subject: Re: Jenny Pics Message-ID: <19981026.164004.6327.0.r_niles@juno.com> Ernest Yes Indeedy do it was I. I will forward them or return to you, just give me an address. Thanks, and sorry for not returning. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles....switching to guns. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:50:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Flashback Strutter IBR Message-ID: Hi all, An in box review of the Flashback Sopwith LCT garnered from rec.models.scale.. Can't wait to see the kit Shane Subject: Flashback Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter impressions in the box. Date: 26 Oct 1998 21:45:34 GMT From: bejewelled@aol.com (Bejewelled) Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Newsgroups: rec.models.scale As threatened, a look at the Flashback Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter in 1/72. I was waiting for the Toko version, but I understand it is two or three releases away, and I need several Strutters, so I decided to try this one. It's offered in two boxes, one single-seat bomber and the one I bought, the two-seater. I guess only the decals differ, because the alternative rear decks are included (Brit and French types, one with stringers one smooth. The kit has two schemes, Collishaw's 9407 as flown on the Oberndorf raid and a french bird from Sop.226 (hatching chick insignia). Two upper wings are provided, with cutout for the RNAS version and without for the 1A2. The kit is in medium grey plastic, nicely moulded but not up to Toko standards IMHO. A little flash but WGAS, (except it's in the wing cutout, awkward). W struts moulded in one piece, I'm pleased to say. Two prop styles are included,I can't make out which fits which version. Resin parts are floor/seat/tank, (lovely basketwork on the seat), Lewis and Vickers and two marks of Clerget engine. P/E brass (eduard) has interior side structure, panel, trim wheels, stick and alternative Scarff and Nieuport mounts. Decal sheet is nice, the RNAS roundel blue is darker than general opinion would like. In all, well worth the 8 pounds, especially as I'll have a gun ring left over for the Toko (which is said to have five alternatives in the box). I'd appreciate anyone else's experience with the Voisin LA which came out with this kit????? Adrian Camp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:14:02 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Flashback Strutter IBR Message-ID: <01140202802414@KAIEN.COM> Shane forwarded . . > Collishaw's 9407 as flown on the Oberndorf raid A minor plug on my part here. My article on No.3 Wing RNAS should be out in the 13/4 issue of OTF and it will include Collishaw's description of his part in the Oberndorf raid. For more details you will have to subscribe :-) Oh yeah, it will have 20 Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter profiles to go with all these Sopwith kits. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:34:17 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Albatros D.V (Kurt Monnington) and flame camo Message-ID: <01341735502470@KAIEN.COM> Shane writes . . ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Albatros D.V (Kurt Monnington) and flame camo > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:34:02 -0500 > > Hi all, > > I am almost ready for a change of scenery and looking for a scheme for > an Albatros D.V . > > Americals Jasta 15 sheet has markings for an aircraft ascribed to Kurt > Monnington which is described as having "flame camouflage", with a white > belly band (later bordered black) over which is superimposed an ivory > skull and cross bones. Aircraft has a black spinner. > There is a second aircraft, pilot unknown, with the same "flame cam" but > with a black belly band bordered white, and a stylised "M" over a bird > in flight. If anyone knows where I can see a photo of either of these > machines I'd be grateful, principally so I can get the size and number > of "flames" somewhere near correct. Shane, There is a photo of these two aircraft in Imrie's Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service 1914-1918. Additionally GVW did a feature on Js.15 a/c in OTF 9/3. This has a b/w profile of Monnington's D.V and a closeup photo of the skull. going by GVW's profile, it would appear to have around 23 flames between the nose and tailplane, with the final one just over the front of the stabilizer. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:52:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Albatros D.V (Kurt Monnington) and flame camo Message-ID: Bob > > There is a photo of these two aircraft in Imrie's Pictorial > History of the > German Army Air Service 1914-1918. Additionally GVW did a > feature on Js.15 > a/c in OTF 9/3. This has a b/w profile of Monnington's D.V > and a closeup > photo of the skull. going by GVW's profile, it would appear > to have around > 23 flames between the nose and tailplane, with the final one > just over the > front of the stabilizer. > Thanks a lot. I don't have either reference (no disrespect for GvW but I'd rather the photos from Imrie) unfortunately. Can you elaborate slightly on the vertical length and start point of the "flames" relative perhaps to the upper and lower longeron panel lines? Something like "flames start at the upper line, end approx 1/3 of the way down to the lower and are approximately equal in length " or whatever simple description covers it. Anyone got a spare copy of Imrie GAAS 1914-18 ? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:54:48 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi Subject: New Eduards Message-ID: <36352721.6856203@legend.firstsaga.com> On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:35:12 -0500, you wrote: >Matt, > > >> I've been off-list for awhile but wanted to check to see if any new >> aircraft (1:48) has hit the market. Does anyone know if Eduard has >> released anything new since the Alb. Dr. I? >> > >Yup > >1/48 Albatros D.III > I noticed in this kit that the decals were printed by Aeromaster. Comes with markings for MvR and the "Blau Maus". That one should make for an interesting model...overall light blue. Haven't had a chance to look any closer but the first impression is that the Eduards keep getting better. Len Visit the Swap'N' Shop pages... http://www2.firstsaga.com/lfendy/fof_site.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:58:34 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: Canvas Message-ID: <363528CA.55EA@mars.ark.com> cam writes: "am wondering if there is someone who still makes the canvas that was on ww1 aircraft. If so , does anyone have a contact address or number?" The vastness of this topic has already been alluded too, but here goes my Canadian two cents worth (that's one and one third cents U.S.). The British generally used Irish linen and the Americans preferred "Mercerized cotton". Here go the specifications: Mercerized Cotton is a fabric of plain weave and manufactured from staple cotton. Aviation specifications are that it must possess a minimum of 80 threads per inch in warp and a maximum of 84 threads in filling. It's limiting weight must be 4.5 ounces per square yard. Mercerized cotton was not as expensive as linen and did not give a nice a finish. It was available is several grades, "Grade A", "Super Balloon", "Regular Balloon" and "Light Airplane". There were fabrics labelled as "Balloon Cloth" and, during the 'twenties, Glider Fabric" and Lightplane Fabric". All are prohibited for modern aircraft and are therefore no longer produced - although there may be equivalents for other purposes. Linen Fabric ("Grade A" for wings) was manufactured from unbleached flax fibre. Aviation specifications were that it must possess a minimum of 90 threads per inch in warp and 105 threads per inch in the filling. "Grade B" was used for fuselages and possessed a minimum of 60 threads per inch in warp and 90 threads per inch in the filling. The limiting weight of both grades was 4.5 ounces per square yard. The references to the use of Dacron are correct, except that is only used on home-built aircraft ...and boat sails and nurses' uniforms. Certified aeroplanes use "Ceconite" or similar trade names, which is the same stuff but at a much higher price (although I have Ceconite on my "amateur-built" aircraft). The heavier grades of modern fabric ("Intermediate" and "Grade A") are too heavy for thin section wings and can break ribs or trailing edges, especially if shrunk with Butyrate dope, rather than the Nitrate. The lightest grades of Dacron are used on microlight aircraft and probably approximate the strength characteristics of WWI structures. Did that muddy the waters even further??? Dave Fletcher mdf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:18:07 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New Eduards Message-ID: Len mentions: > > > >1/48 Albatros D.III > > > I noticed in this kit that the decals were printed by Aeromaster. > Comes with markings for MvR and the "Blau Maus". That one should make > for an interesting model...overall light blue. Haven't had a chance to > look any closer but the first impression is that the Eduards keep > getting better. > ..as long as Aeromaster printed them and didn't do the research, this is good news. Funny, when Sharon mentioned the "Blau Maus" some days back it rang not one bell for me. Yet it's one of the profiles on the very first Datafile. Memory? Memory? What *&$%^$ memory? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:44:46 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Hansa Brandenburg KDW Star strutter Floatplane Message-ID: <3635CE4E.56A9@webtime.com.au> Greetings all I have the drawing for the above from the Harleyford Fighters book plus the four (4) or so pictures which go with this format - Can anyone confirm the ? obvious ? that the cockpit layout is INDEED the same ? as the Starstrutter D 1 I know the cockpit interior ( at least about the instrument panel ) is painted white in accordance with the early practise of Hansa Brandenburg ( reference Harry Woodman ) Also interested in any scources for further photos of this type - Be extremely happy if someone could turn up a photo of this type being built and " unskinned " together with some details of the gun placement and associated arrangements Reference material of any kind seems to be VERY thin on the ground - A real shame that in their recent and fine book on the land-based D I FMP didn't throw in a short potted history of the float version/ development ( such as in some of Rimmel's data files ). Especially when their book on Austro Hungarian A/c hardly touches the KDW at all. Any enlightenment gratefully accepted !!! REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:37:32 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Max DH2 Message-ID: <4e139758.36353ffc@aol.com> Those were my thoughts, until I started to build it........ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:48:22 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Jenny Pics Message-ID: <36354286.1608@bellsouth.net> Russell W Niles wrote: > > Ernest > Yes Indeedy do it was I. Thanks, and no apologies neccessary. Let me or Steve(he'll be giving you an address to forward them to) know if you need them back when he's done. Or did you finish your Jenny project? E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:51:45 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: <36354351.350B@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > Matt, > > > > I've been off-list for awhile but wanted to check to see if any new > > aircraft (1:48) has hit the market. Does anyone know if Eduard has > > released anything new since the Alb. Dr. I? > > > > Yup > > 1/48 Albatros D.III > > 1/72 Voisin III Don't forget the N.17, or did that hit the shelves before the DrI? E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:45:54 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Skybirds 86 Message-ID: <16ac31dc.363541f2@aol.com> It's a shame that Skybirds is gone. I think Mike Eacock has shown the cottage industry (and some of the big guys) how to engineer a kit! I have most of his. The last one I built was the Albatros CX which I took to the OTF seminar in Phoenix. (Along with the Halberstadt DII and the LVG CII) My abilities aside, most folks were happy to see a CX kitted. Personally, I think the complexity, the WS article and the price (US$50) turned alot of folks off. I got mine on a barter deal with another WWI modeler and I took teh article with a greain of salt (having built a couple), so I am left with complexity. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1263 **********************