WWI Digest 1262 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Osprey Aircraft of the Aces by Shane Weier 2) Re: Ilya Murometz by "David R.L. Laws" 3) Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others by "Sandy Adam" 4) Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998 by "Sandy Adam" 5) Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others by Mike Dicianna 6) New Address by Don Rinker 7) Roderic Dallas Fdh victory by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 8) Re: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory by Bob Pearson 9) Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 11) Re: New Address by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 12) Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others by Graham Nash 13) RFC SPADs by "Sandy Adam" 14) UK Nats by "Sandy Adam" 15) Re: indigneous airmen by "Sandy Adam" 16) Re: Ilya Murometz by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 17) Re: Ilya Murometz by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 18) Re: UK Nats by Don Rinker 19) Re: UK Nats by "Sandy Adam" 20) Re: UK Nats by Don RInker 21) Eduard Albatros DV Trade? by John Berlien 22) Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others by fedders 23) Re: Eduard Albatros DV Trade? by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 24) Emhar Mk IV by "Steven M. Perry" 25) Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others by Modelhound@aol.com 26) Re: Le Cigognes Decals by fedders 27) RE: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others by Pedro e Francisca Soares 28) RE: Le Cigognes Decals by Pedro e Francisca Soares 29) Canvas by "cameron rile" 30) by Matthew Zivich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:28:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Osprey Aircraft of the Aces Message-ID: Hi all, Rumoured (well, from the series editor) at the UK IPMS Nats, that the well established "Aircraft of the Aces" series from Osprey is planned to include "some WW1 subjects" soon Not to put too fine a point on it, I'm aware of considerable argument over the accuracy of the WW2 volumes, which certainly look good but apparently oftem miss the subtle details. I hope the WW1 volumes (when/if they appear) are based on recent work by some of the more knowledgeable researchers/artists. Also read the comment that Tony Holmes is interested to hear from anyone who thinks they can write/illustrate/both one of these books. May be an opportunity there somewhere! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:29:50 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Ilya Murometz Message-ID: <36345D2F.5EBB@webtime.com.au> I believe this may have been the Cooke ( see Alcorn Cooke and Lee - Scratch-built ! ) effort and if so the model is extraordinary - Much input from the doyen Harry Woodman too, so the accuracy of the model is as good as one could hope for ! REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:59:50 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others Message-ID: <199810260115.BAA03952@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Bob and David, > Either way I'd love to have one or 2 sheets if they turn out to be within an acceptable price range > Thanks > Pedro Me too please Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 01:16:13 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998 Message-ID: <199810260115.BAA03956@beryl.sol.co.uk> > >> British SPAD 13s (as opposed to SPAD 7s) were pretty rare birds > the total British order for SPAD 13s was only sixty aircraft. I'd > call sixty aircraft in total "pretty rare". > But, your definition of "pretty rare" may be different, of course. > Bill Shatzer According to Jack Bruce ("The Aeroplanes of the RFC - Military Wing", Putnam 1992) The RFC received 61 Kellner-built SPAD XIIIs by 23/3/18 with a subsequent order placed for another 100 which was actually reduced to 25. It's difficult to work out exactly where the RFC VIIs all went but it appears from the same book that there were about 250-300 RFC VIIs in total. If we take into account that these were used by 30 & 63 Sqdn in Mesopotamia and 27, 31, 54, 56 & 60 Training Sqdns as well as 2 Training Wings (17 & 18) and Sqdns 72 & 81 (working up) it becomes clear that many less than the total 250-300 went to the Western Front. However the XIIIs probably all went to the Western Front and indeed Bruce (p562) states that at one stage 23 Squadron was fully equipped with the type. So if we assume say 200 VIIs went to France and about 80 XIIIs - I'd say one-third to one-half, as many XIIIs in France as VIIs, a fairly significant number. Your error is in assuming that that the RFC SPAD VII was not rare ("as opposed to the SPAD 7") Of the smallish number of RFC SPADS in France, a significant number were XIIIs and 23Sqdn ONLY had XIIIs at one stage. I don't care to bandy definitions of "pretty rare" with you, and I can't be bothered digging out similar numbers of other types but I seem to remember, for example, that there were only about 100 Sopwith Triplanes in total. That'll be "pretty rare" too? Cheers and all and all Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:03:51 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981025180351.006d9874@dnc.net> At 08:21 PM 10/25/98 -0500, you wrote: >> Bob and David, >> Either way I'd love to have one or 2 sheets if they turn out to be within >an acceptable price range >> Thanks >> Pedro > >Me three please Mikedc > > Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:47:51 -0500 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: New Address Message-ID: <3633F0E7.7C41C7F1@rcn.com> Greeting everyone.... After a bit of a struggle, my installer yesterday finished setting up my new account with a CABLE modem .My address has changed since I went to a new ISP provider. My new address is rittmeister@rcn.com Man, let me tell ya, if your service has this option , get it. Hug web page load almost instantaneously, you don't need to cache graphics on your browser and waste valuable storage space. You bandwidth is a constant 500K, so you usually get around 50k/sec transfer on files. I can now download those 40 meg demos I only drooled at before. THe deal I got combining cable TV, phone, and cable modem, made the deal a no brainer. Only about 6.00 per month more than what I was paying formerly.... My other ISP account drinker@fast.net ( God I hated that) will be active only for another week. later..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:36:21 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory Message-ID: <3634A505.A87@ricochet.net> Robert Jackson (in Fighter Pilots of WWI) has Aussie(?) Roderic Dallas downing 1+ Friedricshafen(sp?) bombers flying a Nie. 11 on May 20, 1916. This seems improbable. Comments? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:44:29 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory Message-ID: <04442923800282@KAIEN.COM> According to Above the Trenches, Dallas downed a seaplane on 20 May 1916. Perhaps the only Friedrichshafen that Mr. Jackson was aware of was the G class and not the FF seaplanes Bob ---------- > From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory > Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:37:35 -0500 > > Robert Jackson (in Fighter Pilots of WWI) has Aussie(?) Roderic Dallas > downing 1+ Friedricshafen(sp?) bombers flying a Nie. 11 on May 20, 1916. > This seems improbable. > Comments? > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:00:00 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998 Message-ID: <199810260500.VAA10039@ednet1.orednet.org> Sandy writes: -snips- >However the XIIIs probably all went to the Western Front and indeed Bruce >(p562) states that at one stage 23 Squadron was fully equipped with the >type. So if we assume say 200 VIIs went to France and about 80 XIIIs - I'd >say one-third to one-half, as many XIIIs in France as VIIs, a fairly >significant number. >Your error is in assuming that that the RFC SPAD VII was not rare ("as >opposed to the SPAD 7") Of the smallish number of RFC SPADS in France, a >significant number were XIIIs and 23Sqdn ONLY had XIIIs at one stage. >I don't care to bandy definitions of "pretty rare" with you, and I can't be >bothered digging out similar numbers of other types but I seem to remember, >for example, that there were only about 100 Sopwith Triplanes in total. >That'll be "pretty rare" too? Well, without meaning to belabor the point, it is not really meaningful to count only squadrons on the Western front when assessing relative "rarity". First, when comparing the relative rarity of the British Spad XIII vis-a- vis the Spad VII I was not confining the comparison only to active combat units on the Western front. As you noted, in addition to the two Spad VII squadrons on the Western front, their were additional overseas units and training squadrons which used the Spad VII as well as 19 Sqdn and 23 Sqdn. on the western front. Training units and Mesopotanian units are certainly relevant in comparing relative rarities - and I was doing so. Secondly, while apparently both 19 Sqdn and 23 Sqdn operated the Spad VII on the Western front and both units also operated the Spad XIII, the fact that the two Spad models were operated by the same two squadrons does not make them equal in "rarity". For these squadrons were re-equipped with the Spad VII in October or November of 1916 and remained exclusive Spad VII squadrons up until November of 1917 when they began to receive Spad XIIIs. 19 sqdn still had at least some Spad VIIs on charge when it converted to Dolphins in January of 1918 while 23 Sqdn got rid of its Spads in May of 1918 when it likewise converted to Dolphins. Thus, the two squadrons were _exclusively_ equipped with Spad VIIs for over a year and at least partially equipped with Spad VIIs for some considerable period thereafter. 19 Sqdn was never exclusively equipped with Spad XIIIs while 23 Sqdn was equipped with _any_ Spad XIIIs only for six months and exclusively equipped with Spad XIIIs only for some smaller portion of that six month period. Adding these two factors together, it does seem that my characterization of the Spad XIII in British service as being "pretty rare" compared to the Spad VII was a reasonable characterization. And, I'm kinda at a loss as to why you choose to pick this particular nit. And yes, the Sopwith tripe would be "pretty rare" when compared to, say, the number of Camels in British service. On the other hand, it would be down right common compared to, say, the number of Austin-Balls. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:05:22 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory Message-ID: <199810260505.VAA14233@ednet1.orednet.org> Bob Pearson writes: >According to Above the Trenches, Dallas downed a seaplane on 20 May 1916. >Perhaps the only Friedrichshafen that Mr. Jackson was aware of was the G >class and not the FF seaplanes And yes, Dallas was, in fact, an Aussie. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:06:45 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Re: New Address Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981025220645.006c7bf4@mail> At 10:50 PM 25/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >Man, let me tell ya, if your service has this option , get it. Hug web >page load almost instantaneously, you don't need to cache graphics on >your browser and waste valuable storage space. Yeah, I've had one of those since June; pretty neat. Looking at the pictures on the WW I page is almost as fast as looking at pictures in a magazine now. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:51:05 +0000 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others Message-ID: <199810260851.DAA11478@egate2.citicorp.com> Sandy Adam wrote: > > > Bob and David, > > Either way I'd love to have one or 2 sheets if they turn out to be within > an acceptable price range Count me in if 1/72nd is included. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:23:26 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: RFC SPADs Message-ID: <199810260953.JAA12188@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Well, without meaning to belabor the point,.......... Bill, I think you now have a better appreciation of the number of SPADXIIIs used by the RFC. But I do suggest you read "Air of Battle", you would learn a lot more about them. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:53:15 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: UK Nats Message-ID: <199810260953.JAA12197@beryl.sol.co.uk> Last Tuesday my wife said to me "So why don't you go down to Telford at the weekend? I know you really want to!" The woman is a saint! I had said I'd like to go but didn't think there was anyway I could really wangle it. (Perhaps the fact that she is off to NZ for 3 weeks in November made her feel guilty.) Anyway do you think I needed a second telling? Where do I start? I met and spoke to lots of people, Ray Rimmel, Chris Gannon, Jacques Primault (AJP), TC of TCModels etc etc. Lots of news that I don't really have time or space to do justice to here. Quickly Chris Gannon has published a list of his 1999/2000 new releases as follows BM 1/48 Halberstadt Cl.II November 98 - saw it built unpainted - looks excellent. BM110 RAF SE5a (HS and Viper) Jan 1999 BM112 Sopwith Dolphin BM113 Sopwith Snipe BM 114 Albatros D.III (oef) 53, 153 & 253 series (all 3 versions) and two sets of Iron & Patee Cross transfer sheets Pegasus 1/72 PEG 4008 Albatros C.III PEG 4009 DH9 PEG 4010 Etrich Taube PEG 2020 DH2 PEG 4011 BE2c AH crowns & crosses transfers I almost fell over when I saw the AJP display - these models are absolutely stunning - the big Caproni bomber cockpit is so realistic you feel you could climb in and fly it! They were all there and funds and sanity were all that stood between me and throwing away all my plastic models! Next release (1999) is an SE5a. This will be full framework (like the Spirit of St Louis) and allow you to cover as much / little of the airframe as you wish. The SoSL model is staggering with one wing covered and one wing in frame and several scale thickness fuselage panels removed. If the SE is anything like this it will be stupendous. Models: A fair number of beautiful WW1 models all scales - but a disproportionately high number in the awards - good news for WW1. Some lovely finalists in the Mannock Trophy - winner a pale blue Hawa Cl.II which just pipped Geoff Stanley's FE2b. 1/72 had several jewel-like SS DIII/IVs nice Roland DVIb but prize went to a well-reworked Airfix RE8. In the main hall some terrific stuff - one lunatic had built and hand painted (lozenge all over) a SMER Albatros - this was so delicate it was difficult to believe it started out as a SMER. Although not my scale at all, I was stunned by a fabulous 1/72 Gotha with the most superb exposed engines etc. Overall show winner was awesome - a diorama entitled "The Catapult Squadrons - Malta 1936" it consisted of a 1/72 seaplane base scene with about 12 Swordfishs, Seafoxes, Fairey IIIF s etc in and out of the water and in hangars with a full regimental marchpast in progress on the dockside - brass band and all. Abso-bloody-lutely amazing - this was crowded three deep all day with people staring open-mouthed. Lots more - no space. I took some pictures, so I'll see if they turn out OK and worth showing if anyone's interested. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:19:45 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: indigneous airmen Message-ID: <199810261019.KAA13025@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Never heard of it. What's "Shout at the Devil"? Some BBC television show? Primary reference, my boy. Herbert Lom does the bullet-headed Hun to perfection (see "King Solomon's Mines" too). Fantasically realistic - they were all just like this - ugly, bad-tempered and thick. Should be in everyone's WW1 film library. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:35:50 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi Subject: Re: Ilya Murometz Message-ID: <36344f83.2113117@relay.ping.be> On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:29:08 -0500, Mike Dicianna wrote: >There was an excellent article in Fine Scale Modeler a while back about = some >scratchbuilt (1/32?) IM. The article included full drawings and would = be of >great help in doing one of these...Have to dig through my stacks of mags= and >find it again! Not sure what issue. Len (?)has a listing of WWI = articles >found in FSM. =20 The article is in the March 1991 Issue. BTW, FSM has made available a complete index in PDF format running up to (and including) 1997. It's available on their web site (but I don't remember the exact URL of that file). > >Anybody seen this article and can comment on the accuracy of the = drawings? Sorry, but I cannot comment. Regards. -- Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium IPMS Belgium Treasurer & Foreign Liaison Officer (member F012) MAFVA member #6708 http://www.ping.be/ipms-belgium Plastic Modelling is holding History in your Hand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:23:10 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi Subject: Re: Ilya Murometz Message-ID: <36365b68.851154@legend.firstsaga.com> On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 05:38:47 -0500, you wrote: >The article is in the March 1991 Issue. BTW, FSM has made available a >complete index in PDF format running up to (and including) 1997. It's >available on their web site (but I don't remember the exact URL of that >file). >> It was the March 91 issue and you can find a complete index at Kalmbach's web site, http://www.kalmbach.com/fsm/finescale.html. Give me a chance to pull the issue and I'll take a look. Len Visit the Swap'N' Shop pages... http://www2.firstsaga.com/lfendy/fof_site.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:31:37 -0500 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: UK Nats Message-ID: <36345D99.EA14760A@rcn.com> Sandy Adam wrote: > I almost fell over when I saw the AJP display - these models are absolutely > stunning - the big Caproni bomber cockpit is so realistic you feel you > could climb in and fly it! They were all there and funds and sanity were > all that stood between me and throwing away all my plastic models! Next > release (1999) is an SE5a. This will be full framework (like the Spirit of > St Louis) and allow you to cover as much / little of the airframe as you > wish. The SoSL model is staggering with one wing covered and one wing in What's AJP ??? ( stupid mode on - 6:30am here ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:58:12 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: UK Nats Message-ID: <199810261156.LAA17638@beryl.sol.co.uk> > What's AJP ??? ( stupid mode on - 6:30am here ) AJP Macquettes make a whole series of fantastic 1/48 brass kits of pre-war and WW1 aeroplanes (+ Spirit of St Louis etc) Have a look at http://www.cr-poitou-charentes.fr/artisanat/eng/maquette/primault/primault.h tm for some inadequately small pictures of how good these kits are. (They are expensive though!) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:40:27 -0500 From: Don RInker To: wwi Subject: Re: UK Nats Message-ID: <3634A5FB.1662@fast.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > > What's AJP ??? ( stupid mode on - 6:30am here ) > > AJP Macquettes make a whole series of fantastic 1/48 brass kits of pre-war > and WW1 aeroplanes (+ Spirit of St Louis etc) > Have a look at > http://www.cr-poitou-charentes.fr/artisanat/eng/maquette/primault/primault.h > tm > for some inadequately small pictures of how good these kits are. (They are > expensive though!) > Sandy Just checked em out... Really impressive! Probably way out of my price range. Looks like a good project for a retired modeler. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:21:44 -0700 From: John Berlien To: wwi Subject: Eduard Albatros DV Trade? Message-ID: With the October sale, I found myself with an extra Eduard Alb. DV, "Blitz". I would like to trade one for the "Mailed Fist" version, but I realize that (for some reason) that one is not on sale, and therefore costs more, although to my knowledge the only difference is the decals, right? Anybody know what a fair trade might be? Perhaps someone would like to just swap the decals? Best regards, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:09:53 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, David R.L. Laws wrote: > Sandy Adam wrote: > > > This is one of the recurring oversights of the decal industry. Why does nobody do a generic sheet in both scales of items such as Palmer stencils, propellor logos, "Lift here" stencils, "Do not take off with nobody in back cockpit" stencils, manufacturers badges decals & > > stencils, strut stencils, presentation lettering, weight tables. > > You could get a sheet for Allied and another for Central Powers - or just bang them on one sheet. Hell I'd buy stacks of the damn things > > WELL GUYS IS THIS ONE SEEMS TO BE DEAD IN THE WATER AT LEAST AS A > GEENERAL COLLECTIVE OR SUBSCRIPTION EFFORT ? > > IF IT IS THEN ANYONE WANTING TO PARTICIPATE IN A SMALLER VERSION OF THE > SAME PROJECT IDEA CAN EXPRESS THEIR INTEREST TO ME OFF LIST AND WE SHALL > SEE IF THERE ARE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY A LIMITED RUN > > REGARDS > > DAVID > I am interested peter fedders ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:18:11 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros DV Trade? Message-ID: Jack, I did not use the kit decals when I built mine. If you are interested, = send me your snail-mail address and I can send them--do you want the kit = lozenge and rib stripes also? Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:12:34 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: Emhar Mk IV Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981026131234.0068a204@pop.mindspring.com> Some months back there was some interest in a kit review in FSM of the Emhar Mk IV WWI tank. I ran across that article recently. If anyone is still looking for it, give me a shout Off-List. The same issue has an article on converting Lindberg Jenny kits to a Curtiss N-9H floatplane. I'm currently attempting this and so far it's a fun project. This was a hot issue list wise (7/93) as there is also a photo of a figure by Robert Karr in addition to the two WWI articles. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:07:29 EST From: Modelhound@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others Message-ID: "Me too, me too", standing on tippy toes and squeeling with delight. Mike in Bellingham ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:23:42 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Le Cigognes Decals Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 mbittner@juno.com wrote: > Thanks to the awesome generosity of a fellow list member, I have in my > hands a set of Guynemer decals put out by Carpena. Just for giggles I > decided to compare them against Americal's awesome sheet. Whho or what is Carpena and how do I reach them thanks peter > > As I have said before when I first received the Americal decals, he has > improved immensely since my copy of the N.124 sheet. > > With that in mind, I compared the two sets. While the storks are about > the same on both sets, with Americal narrowly edging out Carpena, where > Carpena shines in is the lettering. Don't get me wrong, I completely > understand Americal's limitations with his process. Plus, this is in *no > way* meant for people *not* to buy Americals Le Cigognes sheet. If you > have an interest in French aircraft, you're doing yourself a disservice > with *not* buying them. Americal sheet #110 is worth more than double > the price. > > However, I do like the Carpena lettering, especially the "Vieux Charles". > Plus, the smaller stencils are really well done by Carpena. > > The Carpena sheet contains decals for Guynemer's Nie.10 in what appears > to be two guises (Americal only has the one) with two different "Vieux > Charles" on the sides. It contains decals for a Nie.11; a Nie.17 with a > cone'; two SPAD 7's; and one SPAD 13 with different markings. > > I highly recommend these. > > > Matt Bittner > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:02:11 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others Message-ID: <01BE011B.878C0D80@fei1-p9.telepac.pt> -----Original Message----- From: Modelhound@aol.com [SMTP:Modelhound@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 7:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others "Me too, me too", standing on tippy toes and squeeling with delight. Mike in Bellingham Hey, I forgot to say I only want them if they're in the True Scale (you = 48ers can paint them by hand with one one of those paint rollers they = sell in supermarkets, so you won't need decals). Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:05:43 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Le Cigognes Decals Message-ID: <01BE011C.056575C0@fei1-p9.telepac.pt> -----Original Message----- From: fedders [SMTP:pfed@saladin.wustl.edu] Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 7:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Le Cigognes Decals On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 mbittner@juno.com wrote: > Thanks to the awesome generosity of a fellow list member, I have in my > hands a set of Guynemer decals put out by Carpena. Just for giggles I > decided to compare them against Americal's awesome sheet. Whho or what is Carpena and how do I reach them thanks peter FWIW Carpena is a french manufacturer but I believe the latest sheets are being printed right here in Portugal. Sometime I posted the french address in answer to a request by someone (Jim Lyzum ?) If it was you Jim, did you get in touch with them? Had you any answer? Um abraco pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:54:08 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi Subject: Canvas Message-ID: <199810261350171@cameron.prontomail.com> hi all, am wondering if there is someone who still makes the canvas that was on ww1 aircraft. If so , does anyone have a contact address or number? cam Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Message-ID: I've been off-list for awhile but wanted to check to see if any new aircraft (1:48) has hit the market. Does anyone know if Eduard has released anything new since the Alb. Dr. I? Also does anyone have any 5-color loz. decals, ups & downs for sale? Thanks, Matt Z. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1262 **********************